I don't see how vestments, incense, chanting, icons, and feasts are evil. Can anyone tell me why this is bad?
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I don't see how vestments, incense, chanting, icons, and feasts are evil. Can anyone tell me why this is bad?
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The goal of Protestantism is to fund Israel forever. Simple as.
The God of the Old Testament (Demiurge) and his priesthood are evil. Christ came to abolish that false religion and all forms of "Christianity" which emulate this idolatry are likewise of the Demiurge.
46 of the 73 books in Catholic canon are in the OT.
Christ passed down the church to Saint Peter who became the first Pope and established the Papacy. The gates of hell would not prevail against the Catholic church. God was behind the Vatican.
Catholicism is a cult of the Demiurge. You, a worthless hylic, are his natural slave.
Gnosticism is gay and false.
>The God of the Old Testament (Demiurge)
Demiurge is simple the greek word for "creator". I know that to you it sounds fancy and exotic, but it just means creator. That's also the case for modern Greek too.
OK? It's still the term used in Gnostic tradition to refer to the lesser God of the material world.
Gnosticism doesn't fix the problem of evil either. The question of why God doesn't stop Satan just becomes why the Monad doesn't stop the Demiurge.
The Monad is not omnipotent.
So does that mean that the Demiurge does have a legit chance of winning at the end, why not side with him instead?
Eternal life in Pleroma can only be achieved through gnosis and not by gift of the Demiurge. Unless you are OK with death there is no reason to be a slave of the Demiurge.
>Eternal life in Pleroma can only be achieved through gnosis
If the Monad is not omnipotent then that means that this is not a promise that the Monad can guarantee you for certain. Maybe the Demiurge wins in the end and tortures everyone who sided with the Monad instead of him for eternity.
The Demiurge doesn't have the capacity to impose eternal punishment or even affect the spiritual world at all. He can only distract souls.
Says the Monad shill.
Hail the Demiurge.
Forsake the spirit, embrace the flesh.
OK you can exclude yourself from eternal life if you want.
If the Monad wins then everything just returns back to source, so we all return to the pleroma in the end.
Win-win situation for me.
No only pneumatics return to Pleroma. Physical life which has failed to realize its spiritual potential ceases to exist.
Ok, then my spirit is freed from the flesh and I get to go back to the pleroma alongside everyone else.
Either way I win.
No your spirit also ceases to exist if you don't achieve gnosis.
So why doesn't the Monad just make everyone achieve gnosi-oh yeah I forgot he can't.
Why? That sounds pretty dickish, why should someone seize to exist if the never heard of gnosticism, gnosis and the monad? Which by the way is the majority of people.
That is the way things are. There are some people (hylics) that are entirely unable to achieve gnosis.The Monad and the Aeons are limited in their capacity to influence human beliefs due to the work of the Demiurge and the religions he controls.
Shit, no wonder gnostics got wiped out off the face of the earth.
You people are butthole.
But isn't the soul immortal? How could the soul be destroyed? Gnostic philosophy generally speaking finds root in Plato who dedicated plenty of writing to proving all souls immortal and to reincarnate in an unending cycle, so why wouldn't all souls, pneumatic or psychic, just go back to their source if the material world is destroyed? How would you destroy the immortal soul in Gnosticism?
Brainlet gnostic wannabe. An inherit part of Christianity is acknowledging that the OT and NT Gods are the same.
>An inherent part of Christianity
No only your evil Demiurge-approved cuck religion that does not preach the true Gospel of Christ
First you find me a protestant saying those things are evil
Not that anon but my very protestant mother in law is one
You can do what you want but you can’t teach that it makes you superior to Christian churches that don’t do it unless you want the curse. However, most churches have proven they aren’t capable of doing this, and they become major “we are better than you” players. Catholics pretty much don’t even see real non-catholic churches that actually worship God in Christ as a real church. They are even instructed to believe that it isn’t one. Can you figure out why there is such backlash now that you know this? Or are you “one of them”?
For me, with music like this
or this
I feel God intensely. With songs like this
I don't feel God with that type of song. With the Catholic hymns, I feel the majesty like I'm in the court of heaven.
In the Catholic church I feel the majesty and kingship of God like I'm in a court of heaven.
We acknowledge one great invisible God, the Unknown Father, the Aeon of Aeons, who brought forth with His providence: the Father, the Mother and the Son. We acknowledge the Christos, the self-begotten Son, born from the virginal and ineffable Mother in the high Aeons: who in the Logos of God came down from above to annul the emptiness of this age and restore the fullness of the Aeon. We acknowledge the Holy Spirit, our celestial Mother and consoler, who proceeded from Herself, a gift of Herself out of the silence of the unknown God. We seek the gathering of the sparks of light from the sea of forgetfulness and we look to the glories of eternal life in the Fullness. Amen.
I believe in God, the Father almighty,
creator of heaven and earth.
I believe in Jesus Christ, his only Son, our Lord,
who was conceived by the Holy Spirit
and born of the virgin Mary.
He suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried;
he descended to hell.
The third day he rose again from the dead.
He ascended to heaven
and is seated at the right hand of God the Father almighty.
From there he will come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit,
the holy catholic* church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and the life everlasting. Amen.
LESSON I
OF GOD AND THE UNIVERSE
1. What is God? The infinite and eternal Reality behind all phenomena, known to the Gnostic under several names, such as the True God, the Unknown Father, the King of Light and many more. 2. What are some further characteristics of God? Although being infinite, God is in a sense beyond all qualities; one may nevertheless affirm that God is the highest, perfect transcendental Existence in Whom everything originated and by Whom everything is sustained. 3. What is God essentially? Essentially, God is potential Being, for in Him all potentialities are present. 4. What is God secondarily? In a secondary sense God is Being in activity; He is Being in actuality. 5. How does the potentiality of God make its to actuality? The word whereby we express the passage from potential Being to actualized Being is the term "to emanate". It is by such emanation (pouring forth) that the multitude of spiritual and material worlds and their fashioners emerge from the original potentiality of God. 6. Can there be more than one God? If under "God" we understand the ultimate and true Reality then the answer is no. If the lesser emanated deities should be called "Gods" then the answer would be yes. It is also possible to envision the ultimate God as the first God, and the Demiurge, the lesser god of this world, as the second god. 7. Is God a Holy Trinity? Yes. The Gnostic tradition has always affirmed the existence of God as the Holy Trinity consisting of Father, Son and Holy Spirit. 8. What are the properties of the three persons of the Holy Trinity? The Father is characterized by activity, the creation of beings and their attraction; the Son by articulated intelligence (LOGOS) and the will to redeem; and the Holy Spirit by inspiration, fortification and vivification. In short: The Father is creator, the Son redeemer and the Holy Spirit sanctifier.
I liked the more traditional organ and singing of the Catholic stuff but I did not in the least relate to their words. I can tell their hymn doesn’t make sense when they state Jesus saved the world. It’s a gift thing.
The Free Willy Pop Singer stuff is not even church music, it’s like trying to jam out to some band doing their concert. I like the free Willy theme song but that’s for a movie. In church we sing traditional hymns that were written by Christians since forever and who weren’t Catholic so when we join in with their songs , we are singing with them in eternity.
Real hymns don’t sound that good when people sing different ones they might not be accustom to. It sounds more like a funeral when all your old cousins and stuff shows up and uncles and aunts, and relatives, and your uncle hasn’t been in church for like 30 years+. And his dad died and is in tears and is hardly even saved (like, not really, lol, but he sees and is surrounded by all these Christian’s now). And the singing is only kept in some order because of the music leader for Alas did our savior bleed. 😉
This is amazing and very inspiring to me.
Just curious since you didn't relate to the lyrics what would you change about them?
I would want to focus more on Heaven and earth not just earth and that Jesus died for the world that it might be saved not that he saved it just ordinary changes to that song.
Peace in Heaven and Earth.
Thank you Jesus Christ for dying for my sins.
But I’d rather not write it since I like traditional hymnal since it has so many good songs already.
Chanting always was a sin though even OT. God called it repetitions hoping he was asleep and didn’t hear so they needed to speak louder or repeat to wake him up with the war with Baal. Most traditional hymns attempt to avoid repeating verses. Most modern day dumbed down trash is literally 1 verse repeated for the same amount of singing as old hymns.
Modern man needs to learn how to write music again with musical notes using the old style. He is doomed otherwise.
Chanting is annoying anyways, reminds me of this song. Just too many repeats. Great song otherwise.
Amen.
The cornerstone of the entire argument this meme presents is that Christ's coming is just an insignificant event that didn't change much. Typical Catholic meme.
The object of the Mass is to unite Heaven and Earth. After Christ we can more unite Heaven and Earth in each Mass. We have imagery of angels, saints, Mary, Joseph, and Jesus all over so we can bring Heaven to Earth. This is why we are ornate.
even people who were alive during those times realized how they worshipped the idols used during rituals more than God, these people were called prophets.
Jesus came to teach us how to let go of those things and follow the law properly, he spoke through parables so a lot of people dont actually get his message though...
i forgot to add: you have to understand, though, that they are "recognized" because they are the forefathers of "sacrifice" in a fertility cult, that means giving something as respect to God and through that to life itself
they set the groundwork for a moral society, with laws which obliged them to take care of others and be conscious of the land
so its not completely bad, the criticism is towards people who took advantage of that position
Because it is against the command of the scriptures. First of all the idols are condemned because they not only were not commanded, and not only dare to depict the living God, but the heretics also fall down before them in false worship, in full violation of the commandment "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image". The rest is condemned because it was not commanded by Him, and because there is no priesthood of the new covenant, save only for the eternal priesthood of Jesus Christ.
The priesthood of Christ and the powers of the priest are connected.
1548 In the ecclesial service of the ordained minister, it is Christ himself who is present to his Church as Head of his Body, Shepherd of his flock, high priest of the redemptive sacrifice, Teacher of Truth. This is what the Church means by saying that the priest, by virtue of the sacrament of Holy Orders, acts in persona Christi Capitis:
It is the same priest, Christ Jesus, whose sacred person his minister truly represents. Now the minister, by reason of the sacerdotal consecration which he has received, is truly made like to the high priest and possesses the authority to act in the power and place of the person of Christ himself (virtute ac persona ipsius Christi).
Christ is the source of all priesthood: the priest of the old law was a figure of Christ, and the priest of the new law acts in the person of Christ.
>The priesthood of Christ and the powers of the priest are connected.
There is no such priest. The priests of the church of Rome are Antichrists, claiming to be another Christ and offering another propitiation.
>1548
Is this the council of Trent? It stands condemned under the anathema of God and formally severed the church of Rome from the Church of Jesus Christ, because it taught many heresies and even dared to apply a false anathema to very gospel of Jesus Christ when it impiously declared "If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema."
>Is this the council of Trent?
No. This is today's Catholic Catechism although the Council of Trent still stands and has never been rescinded.
>"If any one saith, that by faith alone the impious is justified; in such wise as to mean, that nothing else is required to co-operate in order to the obtaining the grace of Justification, and that it is not in any way necessary, that he be prepared and disposed by the movement of his own will; let him be anathema."
This is 100 percent right.
Matthew 16: 27
27 For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done.
>There is no such priest. The priests of the church of Rome are Antichrists, claiming to be another Christ and offering another propitiation
Matthew 16
18 And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock[a] I will build my church, and the gates of hell[b] shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed[c] in heaven.”
Jesus was handing the church and papacy to Peter
>This is 100 percent right.
You are 100% condemned. Read Galatians
>Jesus was handing the church and papacy to Peter
No, He wasn't.
Why are you asking anyone? Why aren't you asking Protestants that believe that?
http://www.gnosis.org/eghome.htm
thanks, very interesting. But also wtf? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ve-l92k86eM
I can tell that gnosticism is not for me. I've left christianity behind. But I'll definitely read about it
>trying to make an organised religion out of gnosticism
Cringe, gnosis is the ultimate discovery of self.
These cathecisms, calendars and scriptures is just repackaged Christian monotheism using Gnostic words to larp.
All Gnosticism after the 2nd century is just LARP.
Religion > spirituality
nice LARP
Do you know what high church protestantism is?
Do you know what Lutheranism, Anglicanism, and Methodism are?
what? those things aren't evil, except icons perhaps, those can be interpreted as graven images. But vestments are fine, that's just a uniform for church workers. Gold is fine, it's just a materiel. Ornate worship places are fine, there's no commandment in the bible that churches must be bare. Incense/myrrh is fine as long as you know what it's for ad what it represents (prayers going up to God). Chanting is singing without the instruments ad singing in church is fine. Feasts are done even by protestant churches, it is totally normal for all the old ladies to get together and get crock-pots full of sauerkraut and meatballs and stuff for a potluck afterwards on things like mothers day and things like that.
No, the stuff protestants have a problem with are worshiping Mary, false doctrines like purgatory, and rampant corruption throughout the Orthodox and Roman Catholic churches.
No. Protestants are moronic, especially the American ones without their foreskins who care more about hebrew fairytales than Jesus. They might as well put on a yarmulke.
You are quite literally moronic, I'm not joking.