Can't believe people like Tarkovsky's pretentious adaptation
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Is it better? Sell me on it
It's completely different and yeah it's better.
The zone is actually shown as something completely out of ordinary that stands out from the rest of the world instead of just factory ruins and dilapidated buildings like in the movie
There's actual plot and characters have personalities
Completely filtered
Stalker has beautiful imagery but it's just a shitty allegory that makes midwits feel smart for getting the blatant ""symbolism"" if it even can be called that.
Tarkovsky doesn't do allegory. Or even symbolism really.
This is true. There are open symbols in Stalker, but no clear dominant allegory. The primary artistry is the visual poetry and acting/characterization. That’s the brilliance of Stalker. It’s not a philosophical treatise, it’s a poem about the act of philosophizing and all the irrational psychological despair, error, and searching that comes with it.
it's an obvious allegory for the soviet union and it's promise of an ultimate utopia at the end of a grueling journey full of sacrifice and resistance against (human) nature.
I've always found Tarkovski an underwhelming director, both visually and otherwise, after seeing him placed alongside the likes of Kurosawa and Fellini. Both 'Picnic' an 'Solaris' are much better books than their adaptations.
Ha cocaч, быдлo.
Communist? Should I have added the obvious point that that soviet promise was a lie...?
How was it a lie? Everyone got free housing, education and job
>Everyone
apart from those slaughtered in civil war, purgings, labor camps, KGB torture... but even without all that, the fact that it collapsed overnight and nobody came out to defend it proves it was a lie everyone had stopped believing.
You do realize popular poll favored Soviet communism even during its fall?
Civil strife cooled down after Stalin and World War 2. Their standard of living objectively dropped after neoliberal shock therapy and you can't argue against this
>popular poll favored Soviet communism even during its fall?
Opinion polls don't matter, especially in totalitarian states where you'll be charged for wrongthink. If everyone loved the system so much, why did nobody rush to defend it?
>Civil strife cooled down after Stalin and World War 2
Yes, and people are supposed to be grateful that now they're not slaughtered en masse, they're just thrown in prison for contacts with foreigners, reading banned books or trying to leave the country? Plus, who guarantees there wouldn't be a new Stalin? The system works such that he would have absolute power with no checks and balances again.
>Their standard of living objectively dropped after neoliberal shock therapy
Yes. But then it improved. High oil prices and utter corruption sort of canceled each other out, but capitalism was free to do its job in between those. Russians built very decent companies. Now Putin with his soviet nostalgia hard-on has damned it all to hell once again.
Poo-tin
>You do realize popular poll favored Soviet communism even during its fall?
You dumb fricking ape, NO ONE came to defend that circus. It just fricking disappeared overnight and ZERO people cared enough to take arms and try to put it back. When Russian Republic collapsed it took 5 years and ~10 millions deaths to crush it's supporters. When Yeltsin shelled supreme soviet a hundred of grannies and edgy morons showed up, whined a little and went home the same day.
>fascists and capitalists got thrown into Gulags
good riddance
>it collapsed overnight
It's amazing how people most eager to shove their 5 cents on the Soviet Union everywhere are the ones who have literally no grasp even on the most basic things about it.
no, not over one literal night moron, and one can speculate about the lead-up to it as far back in time as one likes. Maybe its fate was sealed when Stalin won out over Trotzki. Or maybe Russian history was put on an inevitable path by Peter the Great, or by the Mongol yoke.
But in 91 the concrete events of the collapse moved very quickly. The political crises in the few years before that were build-up, sort of like the build-up going on right now, which moronic vatniks love to dismiss with the "2 more weeks" meme
>gets caught being moronic
>immediately resorts to ad absurdum strawmen
Classic.
>But in 91 the concrete events of the collapse moved very quickly
The Soviet demise started in '86 with Gorby's deliberately destructive reforms and "concrete events" started in '88 with the Sovereignties' Parade and went on for years. Just because you're a Marvel-brained moron that thinks a nuclear superpowered "collapsed" in few days after Captain Alco-Liberalism outfoxed the Stained Skull.
>build-up going on right now, which moronic vatniks love to dismiss with the "2 more weeks" meme
Report back in two more weeks, turbo-NPC.
Never liked Tarkovski either, KUrosawa is excellent but what do you suggest from Fellini? 8½? Is La Dolce Vita his?
>it's an obvious allegory for the Soviet Union
You dumb frick, this is just one among many allegorical interpretations. You missed the entire point of my post.
The point of your post is so general it's completely vacuous. Every arthouse film with characters lost in rumination and reflection is a statement about the "act of philosophizing". But that's in fact one of Tarkovskis weaknesses, he's always trying to say more than he possibly can, and loses himself in vague allusions to everything and anything.
Yeah those two and also stuff like Amarcord, Nights of Cabiria and a personal favorite, "And the ship sails on".
Have you seen Kurosawas Ikiru? Saw it few weeks ago and it's amazing.
>But that's in fact one of Tarkovskis weaknesses, he's always trying to say more than he possibly can, and loses himself in vague allusions to everything and anything.
The opposite of that. Tartovsky leaves things vague so the audience can bring their own ideas and interpretations to the work. You could complain that he's not saying anything and have a point, but that he's saying too much is simply wrong.
There's a ten minute scene of three guys silently riding a train and looking at grass. jam packed stuff.
>visual poetry
Filmgays are such morons
What is wrong with this statement?
It’s empty and moronic and only pseuds say shit like that
Define visual poetry
>just a shitty allegory
You don't understand anything about cinematography
It's pretty meh in terms of cinematography
non sequitur
>The zone is actually shown as something completely out of ordinary that stands out from the rest of the world instead of just factory ruins and dilapidated buildings like in the movie
>There's actual plot and characters have personalities
please anon, you really shouldn't embarrass yourself with these horribly superficial midwit takes
The book is way more 'punk' than the movie. If you ever lived in a bad neighbourhood, you'd understand the banditry aspect of stalking. I live in a bad town which got destroyed by a natural disaster, so many tourists came. We became an attraction. That's how characters in the book feel. Also, looting the ruins is incredible. You haven't lived until you've walked through the ruins of your hometown, it's like a bad dream come to life.
Tarkovsky's film is an art piece whereas the Strugatsky novel is straight genrefiction
book actually feels shorter in a good way
When will a faithful film adaptation come out? We really need one, and hopefully it won't be by the hands of Villeneuve
Tried two Tarkovsky films now and I wanted to sleep both times. Guess I'll never be a kinophile.
Ivan's Childhood and Andrey Rublev are pretty good. Solaris is okay. The rest is pretty meh
Aw I quite like the movie. The only Tarkovsky movie I think is really overrated is solaris
This is so poorly written. Tarkovsky's film is art
>LOOOOK LOOOK THE SOVIET UNION FELL
>LOOK CENTRALIZED STATE CAPITALISM FAILS — FREE MARKET IS SUPERIOR
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN ONLY TWO REAL COUNTRIES COULD DO BUSINESS WITH THE SOVIET UNION AS THE US THREATENED TO INVADE OR NOT PROVIDE SECURITY IF SUCH COUNTRY DOES BUSINESS WITH AMERICA’S ENEMY
>THAT’S NOT RELEVANT JUST BECAUSE OK
>LOOK THE SOVIET UNION COLLAPSED
>Bro we just need the whole world to be communist and allied with us then communism will work trust me bro
>Bro we just need the whole world to be neoliberal and "allied" with us then shitlib judeo-corporatocracy will work trust me bro
>no you
book is very mid
Tarkovsky's movie is pure art
You're just another NPC
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T NOT LIKE THINGS I LIKE YOUR AN NPC!!!!!!!!!
Typical NPC-like thinking
alfred besters demolished man is a cool book
>adaptation
The book is really overrated and every adaptation is better