This is a legitimate question but out of all 'minor' DEs Cinnamon is the one that gets the most development, they are all the same thing, Mate, Budgie, XFCE and Cinnamon, so why not Deprecate the lesser in favor of Cinnamon?
Cinnamon
This is a legitimate question but out of all 'minor' DEs Cinnamon is the one that gets the most development, they are all the same thing, Mate, Budgie, XFCE and Cinnamon, so why not Deprecate the lesser in favor of Cinnamon?
Just because you think Cinnamon is the best DE out of these 4, doesn't mean everyone else thinks so too. That's why multiple DEs exist in the first place.
I really, really like Cinnamon. I have moved away from other DEs on all of my machines over the last 2 years. I agree with , that a diversity of DEs is beneficial. After all, that is how Cinnamon came to be in the first place.
Would I like to see more people contribute to Cinnamon, and more users, more plugins/applets for it? Of course! Do I want to see 500 DEs with one developer per project all failing to keep up with the rest of the ecosystem? No.
But having 4-5 major DEs with decent sized teams and communities is completely fine.
TL;DR: Cinnamon is great, OP is wrong.
welp thought luck buddo, There's 3 DEs, two with the most bucks and development power, and one with a enough development power to not laggy behind the underserved moronic DEs, the rest will will (surely) die.
There is nothing wrong with DE diversity, sometimes devs are forced to do so if the upstream is inflexible. It IS a problem when everyone has NIH syndrome and redoes everything from scratch 'just because' and have many incomplete implementations to the same thing.
Examples include: making other DE-specific Display Managers when a generic and mature DM already exists (LightDM).
I'm thinking that larger DEs can provide reusable un-opinionated building-blocks that smaller DE's can re-use and contribute improvements back to upstream.
>Display Managers
cinnamon is also the shittiest one
Cinnamon is actually the bluntest of them. XFCE is the most tradchad, MATE is the most Stacy, and bungie is the New Kid on the Block. Cinnamon is just Steve from Home Ec class.
No need to bring classism against the trades into this.
If Plasma had sane defaults, it would replace all other desktop environments.
How much more sane do they have to be than a simple bottom panel?
Terrible theme inconsistency. Discover is hot trash (maybe not anymore). No first party choice for dock users.
Whats the inconsistency? Have you ever used kde?
e.g. menu transparency, the clock, browsers not getting theme though not their fault
I once tried to configure window manager rules on Plasma and had aneurysm, then it was shortcuts, everything I wanted to change was already taken and conflicted with something else so I gave up and reset to defaults... EXCEPT IT DIDN'T! TROLL! then god forbid I tried to center my task items using spacers in the panel... oh my mistake, it glitched the shit out of my desktop, then I gave up. I had easier time using autistic tinkers window managers, I will just stick with GTK DEs thank you, Krita is good tho.
Pure autism.
Indeed, to use KDE you have to be autistic.
I once installed KDE to try it out, and my sound stopped working. I then uninstalled KDE, and my sound still didnt work.
so, frick KDE
>>I once tried to configure window manager rules on Plasma and had aneurysm
Power manager in plasma simply not working was the final straw that made me quit Plasma. I wasn't getting even a desktop notification for low battery status, and it wasn't suspending on low battery either. LxQT has this (fricking basic) feature working fine. Plasma is a complete mess.
it looks over-styled by default and feels like it's going to fall apart anytime
its insanely bloated
>If Plasma had sane stability
Ftfy
Honestly i think that eventually MATE and XFCE will have to join efforts in a single project. That or get superseeded by LXQt. Because globohomosexual package managers want Wayland, and i don't know if they can implement each one separately.
More than defaults, bugs. Plasma is full of little bugs here and there that hinder the experience as a whole.
MATE received initial wayland support year ago
https://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2021/08/mate-desktop-1-26-new-features
XFCE is the one behind... and seeing how things... yeah
Sad for rat DE. It doesn't have to be a bad thing though, there's not a lot that one need to make MATE feel like XFCE. I like more the XFCE app launcher, panel widgets and mousepad, but isn't the end of the world.
I tried two LXQT distros and neither would lock the screen for closing a laptop lid.
Which ones did you use? It works fine for me with XScreenSaver as my screen locker. Also, did you configure the lock on closing the lid with lxqt's power management tool or with something else?
Lubuntu and Fedora. The power management tool was able to put my computer on suspend but not lock it.
I don't think that feature is on by default, you have to enable it. It works for me.
Plasma is full of bugs, it's the worst part of KDE. A lot of KDE applications are kind of decent, like Dolphin. The KWin window manager is alright, it has nice compositing effects and mostly just works. But Plasma is riddled with bugs, a huge pain in the ass. I actually use LxQT with KWin. LxQT manages to be much more stable than Plasma, it might not look as slick and modern but it actually works.
That's by far Plasma's biggest flaw. The make a change in Frameworks and some random bug pops up somewhere in Plasma. They are getting better at managing it though, but still...
In my opinion, Cinnamon occupies a really nice middle ground between the major DEs and the minor ones. It feels relatively modern (unlike XFCE, Mate, etc., which all feel a little too basic), but is very stable, polished, sane, and largely unchanging (unlike GNOME and KDE). And, as you noted, it receives a decent amount of development, unlike shit like Budgie or Pantheon which are developed by a handful of trannies. I don't know why it attracts such a weird amount of seethe, it's one of the most inoffensive DEs there is. It's boring as frick and that's a good thing.
I personally find Xfce's panel, menu, sound controls, and file manager superior compared to what Cinnamon offers. So I personally wouldn't deprecate those in favor of Cinnamon's alternatives.
But yes, all 4 projects are kinda shit and development is too slow. They literally can't compete with KDE or even GNOME. They should definitely unite especially considering they're all gtk projects and GNOME knockoffs.
Cinammon is GNOME with dash to panel and desktop icons, all of minor DE based in GNOME are garbage, just use GNOME.
*updates*
>everything breaks
inb4
>don't update
or I could use Cinnamon.
Now keep using GNOME and shut up cuck.
Cinnamon is the buggiest one
I wanted to disable vsync on it for years and I've never been able to. The setting does frick all other than make the desktop laggier.
https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=283887
That's precisely what I'm talking about, that dropdown for 4 options doesn't do much other than select 4 modes that have vsync on. Even vsync disabled is still enabled. The only place where I had that working was a shitty old laptop with an nvidia GPU and proprietary drivers.
It's a matter of weight
gets the most development because it has the most bugs
Does LXQT also have the most bugs considering it has a more active dev cycle than those mentioned despite having an even smaller team and relevancy?
Cinnamon is just GNOME 3.x with extensions
wow wtf I never thought "literally GNOME 3.X with extensions" was better than the dogshit that comes with Fedora workstation! but why is it called Cinnamon tho?
No.
Following several attempts to extend GNOME 3 such that it would suit the Linux Mint design goals, the Mint developers forked several GNOME 3 components to build an independent desktop environment. Separation from GNOME was completed in Cinnamon 2.0, which was released in October 2013. Applets and desklets are no longer compatible with GNOME 3.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cinnamon_(desktop_environment)
>DEs
IMO, it doesn't make sense to have XFCE, MATE, Cinnamon as separate projects. They are all developer-starved projects that are fighting against a stubborn upstream. They should join forces, have a Cinnamon lite (XFCE/MATE) and Cinnamon Full, both editions sharing the same code. There's is no need in 're-inventing the wheel'. Its one the reasons why KDE is so active (and why it has that many features), they pool together efforts in one project (Plasma/Frameworks) rather than making 'yet another implementation' then eventually abandoning it due to a lack of developers or time.
>many features
go away
That's not an argument. Elaborate.
no
Cinnamon is the worst one of all of those. Heavy and featureless. Like Gnome but not as bad.