Che Guevara said Cuba should've modeled itself on North Korea so what if it did? How would a totalitarian chemically, biologically, nuclear armed Cuba under a socialist hereditary dictatorship of the Fidel family fare in the world and especially against the US?
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Without a big daddy neighbour they wouldn't have fared well.
>Without a big daddy neighbour they wouldn't have fared well.
I'm sure they'd be able to survive well enough and they'd be able to cause a constant nuisance to the US by propping up groups like FARC, Shining Path etc.
No they wouldn't, literally the only reason North Korea is still a thing is because China says so.
>No they wouldn't, literally the only reason North Korea is still a thing is because China says so.
North Korea suspended almost 100% of trade with China during covid and it's still around.
2-3 years without a sugar daddy is not the same as not having a sugar daddy at all.
Yes it is.
Cuba wasn’t hereditary nor was it really authoritarian so much when Guevara was alive. It had a higher standard of living than SK.
>Cuba wasn’t hereditary nor was it really authoritarian so much when Guevara was alive.
I'm not saying it was, I'm saying what IF it was. How would things be if this were the case?
I meant Norh Korea wasn’t hereditary. 1950s North Korea was an entirely different society and government from nowadays. The overly kooky and evil stuff didn’t really take hold till the Kim Jong Il era. 1950s Pyongyang actually wasn’t a super bad place to live by developing country standards.
>The overly kooky and evil stuff didn’t really take hold till the Kim Jong Il era.
No it came after the August Faction Incident.
>blaming everything on Kim Jong Il
Lol, lmao even.
is correct, with the Kapsan Incident sealing North Korea's fate.
Even Shitzil had a higher standard of living than SK during that time period. so that's not really an achievement.
Che was exiled (oh, excuse me, sent abroad to foment revolution) for good reason.
Northern Korea was the industrial center of Japan's Korean colony, and directly bordered the industrial effort in Manchuria. Even with wartime destruction, the personnel and embedded knowledge remained - Pyongyang got a metro only a few years after Beijing, and before Seoul.
It's also basically self-sufficient in the raw materials needed for industry.
Cuba is none of those things, and greater exertion of effort would not make it those things. Not to mention that the ability to extract from the population to fund such projects is vastly diminished in the Cuban (and general Western-type countries) case than for the Korean.
As any number of failed projects - including Cuba's 10 million ton zafra show - that sort of thing can't simply be brought into existence by a great man or a doubling of effort and enthusiasm.
I'm asking what'd happen if they were a thing, not how likely that thing is.
What if pigs sprouted wings and flew out your anus?
>What if pigs sprouted wings and flew out your anus?
What if *thing* were different thing? How would world react?
They would all react like if that thing were different. We could play this game all day.
>They would all react like if that thing were different.
And what would that reaction be like? How would the US react to a WMD armed Cuba? Would they attack? Sanction? Negotiate? Bomb?
That alternate scenario raises so many what ifs that it renders your question meaningless.
The scenario basically always ends with the USA invading. Given the level of monitoring that would occur, Cuba wouldn't be able to get very far, especially given how their strained import ability would stretch out development times.
And even if they did, maintaining at permanent readiness enough of an arsenal to have second-strike capability would be a cost-prohibitive task. North Korea, besides far better terrain for it, has the advantage that the US would need to massively move assets into the region to mount a first strike, a protracted and highly visible task. With competent refueling and scheduling, the US could maintain enough air wings within decent flight time of Cuba to massively strike with little warning.
Okay, and let's pretend the answer isn't some form of "the USA invades or forces the USSR to force them to disarm".
They can't credibly use nuclear blackmail for sanctions relief. They have a smaller population than North Korea, and a more demanding population at that. Probably far higher population emigration in this scenario. Economic effort of keeping a sufficient survivable nuclear deterrent that close to American territory forces even more economic distortion and suffering, leading to greater regime stress and even higher population outflow. Thinking about it, the greater ease of emigration compared to North Korea (where they basically have to get out through unsympathetic China) would do massive demographic damage because the population would have alternatives to shouldering the burdens of Juche and Songun. Even if it held on, it would be a nuclear garrison attached to the shoddy remnants of a country, whereas North Korea ('s elites) have a sort of halfway decent material life - there's imported luxury goods stores in Pyongyang. It helps that the DPRK can import/smuggle stuff through China while everything going to or from Cuba goes on a trackable, probably sanctionable ship.
There wouldn't be as much tourism or foreign sympathy for Cuba, meaning less hard currency income and an even more strained economy/lower standards of living.
>the greater ease of emigration compared to North Korea
Literally just go full Albania:
>constitutionally ban fleeing the country
>institute shoot on sight orders for border guards
>deploy the military to the coast to prevent flight
>ban civilians from being within 5km of the shore, electric fence it off, wall it off, mine it etc.
>mine the waters so nobody can leave except the military and fishing boats (with the military accompanying them)
>construct offshore platforms to prevent flight and serve as a warning system
If they last into the modern day then they'd be able to cut back a lot and switch out guards for cctv cameras and drones
>There wouldn't be as much tourism or foreign sympathy for Cuba
I disagree, there'd be a huge amount of sympathy in the global south due to the many interventions, military and civilian, that Cuba undertakes and has undertaken. There's a reason why Fidel's funeral was so well attended. There would be almost no tourism though, that's true.
Cuban Juche? More like israeliteChe. Get it? Because Che Guevara? israelite-Che? Isn’t that funny guys?