Day 36285:
God has once more refused to provide any sign of his existence to the growing number of irreligious people
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Day 36285:. God has once more refused to provide any sign of his existence to the growing number of irreligious people
Divine hiddenness is the argument that made me leave Christianity.
You've just lost your ability to see him and divine things
i.e. he found the cure to schizophrenia
Why should he feel the need of showing his presence to ignorant resentful people like you, you must have a clean heart to receive him, even if he did now you would spit at his face.
That’s the meaning of the “unforgivable sin“ by the way.
That famous christian love strikes again.
>why should you be expecting a loving god, to show himself on his creations, you should be ignorant like me, and just believe he's there, even though he didn't show himself onto me.
Ahh, much love, you christians share into the world.
He showed his love and mercy when I needed it the most and prayed for it. You’re not his pet, you’re his knight trying to find his grail. Thats a profession of faith. Does your wife always prove to you every day by evidence that every day you go to work she doesn’t cheat on you? You already have faith in a lot of things, and thats the way things should be, faith is a profession of love and trust.
You already have the Gospels, read it and investigate its athenticity you will find a lot, take what he has given you.
You can’t just sit on your couch and wait for truth to reveal itself to you.
>Does your wife always prove to you every day by evidence that every day you go to work she doesn’t cheat on you?
No, she does it occasionally.
>Does your wife always prove to you every day by evidence that every day you go to work she doesn’t cheat on you?
Well, she does prove that she exists. God could just prove that he exists and then have a relationship with me based on mutual trust.
>researching the gospels will take you to Christ
Generally the opposite happens
So does God, but you prefer to call it chance.
Cherrypicked example.
There are thousands of these.
https://archive.org/details/miraclescredibil0002keen/page/n9/mode/1up?view=theater
Some documented ones. See also the second volume.
They happen every day all around us.
Let alone NDEs which I talked about here a lot.
What about all the examples to the contrary?
Contrary? He decides either to save a person from dying or not, you expect him to rescue everyone?
The high number of the miracles is a sign definitely but this is not all, research about Out of Body experiences and Near Death Experiences on internet.
You’ll find much.
I did and it took me way closer to God.
How did you get away from it? Give a short account.
Have you seen the archeological findings sorrounding it?
Have you corroborated the original language manuscripts?
Have you analysed the datings of the Gospels?
Get away from it? I was never Christian to begin with. The Gospels are decent stories but Christianity proper begins with Paul and that’s an indisputable fact, the entire religion hinges on not Jesus, but Paul’s conversion
So you haven’t read and investigated any thing about them but you made the claim that doing so refutes them in one’s eyes
I have read and investigated them. They come up short of the truth
Did you research the archeological findings in relation to the Gospels? Because they say a lot about the authenticity and historicity of them.
And did you find contradiction between them? You know how in historians determine the authenticity of written sources? They corroborate them to each other, if they are extremely close and word by word it means they are not original and copied each other if they were contradictory however it means the truth likeliness of the accounts are low.
So there must be a balance between these two. And thats exactly the 4 gospels lie.
Idk how your investigation made you see them short of truth.
You can’t see how my investigation would lead me away from the Gospels because your worldview is entirely dependent on them being the truth. Even if I presented why I don’t find them true you wouldn’t accept it anyway
Try your luck I‘m all ears. Im not dogmatic.
>You can’t see how my investigation would lead me away from the valid data stream, because your worldview is entirely dependent on a valid data stream being the truth. Even if I presented why I don’t find the valid data streams to be true, you wouldn’t accept it anyway.
This is the projection of a hard heart. The followers of truth have open minds. They allow their own creations to be destroyed because of their love of the cosmos. Don't be afraid to share your ideas.
You are right though. We can't see your light unless you shine it on us.
>Did you look again for the chief logical findings and how they relate to a valid data stream? Because they say a lot about the origional author and his story.
>faith is a profession of love and trust.
You can't love nor trust someone until, at the bare minimum, you know they exist.
>You already have the Gospels, read it and investigate its athenticity
I have, though I don't think every person on Earth has some kind of obligation to do so.
Investigate deeper.
Anon, do you know there are people who've spent their entire careers investigating this stuff and are still atheists? Why would it be any different for me?
Not really, they are the minority
You are just outing yourself as an egocentric
>*I* can feel a God
>so it doesn't matter if *you* can't sense him
Let me guess, people who agree with you have a "clean heart", and those who disagree with you don't.
Am I right?
Almost all atheist will eventually revert to “I just don’t like the idea of someone above me”. And that’s intellectual dishonesty, it’s the refusal to even hear the claim of the other side.
A clean heart at least seeks the truth.
Is that a tongue-in-cheek "yes"?
>if he did now you would spit at his face.
What an odd remark.
Is he by any chance responsible for something unethical?
if god existed he wouldn't be an nagging overly emotional b***hy female in the sky that complains that you can't understand her despite not communicating and gets upset when she has to do the slightest effort.
god would be a deity that neither has emotions nor feelings nor anything human or worldly
Ack
>god would be a deity that neither has emotions nor feelings nor anything human or worldly
You sure he wouldn't be a troony donkey israelite?Seems more likely
Stapling together multiple pictures, some which have no relation with each other doesn't make a point.
>Stapling together multiple pictures, some which have no relation with each other doesn't make a point.
I don't even think you can name the sources of each of those pictures and how some of them are 1000 years apart.
LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOL.
Rabbi Yeshua is a crucified Ass?
LMAO.
>deity that neither has emotions nor feelings
This is how you end up in hell, worshiping some Ai calculator that spits out endless numbers.
>reveals himself constantly in the past to thousands of people both believers and not; constantly talk to christians and supposedly saves random people from their wicked ways
>reveals himself constantly in the past
Okay, why not the present then
>to thousands of people
There are billions of people alive in this very moment, Anon
Yes it's what I was implying; he clearly has no problem witg revealing himself so why doen't he do that for eveeyone?
>not wanting to believe things there's literally zero reason to believe in is ignorance
Name a more typical Christian cope.
Miracles never work. The Israelites saw both the plagues of Egypt and the parting of the Red Sea yet they were still b***hing to Moses about wanting to return to Egypt from the wilderness. These lessons are in the scriptures, yet atheists will scoff at the idea that they’re reprising yet another recurring role in the never ending stage play that is man’s relationship with God.
dont forget the pillar of fire at night and smoke during the day
>These lessons are in the scriptures, yet atheists will scoff at the idea that they’re reprising yet another recurring role in the never ending stage play that is man’s relationship with God.
Of course I will scoff. What you're citing is a made up story designed to caricature Israelites who didn't share the author's religious views and you not only take it as fact but take it as a universal guide to human behavior. The idea that miracles never convince people is not even consisten with the Bible! Unless Elijah's contest with the prophets of Baal never happened. Or what about the one million times in the gospels that Jesus does a miracle and it draws more people to him? And the early chapters of Acts portray tons of people being converted by the apostles doing miracles, not to mention the wicked Paul being converted by a direct revelation from God. I could go on and on.
>The logical framework of shared perception and judgement has once more refused to provide any sign of his existence to the growing number of illiterate apes.
>if my feelings are not right then how come objective reality exists?
Getting THIS desperate?
Your words look like a tiny spark. Are you looking for kindling? Are you cold, or do you like the look of fire? There are other ways to get warm. You don't need to burn every homosexual you see. Behold, the bush is talking as it burns. How is it not turning to ash and blowing away?
>do everything you can to remove someone from your life
>"wtf why don't they talk to me?"
why are atheists like this
What kind of fricking Christian would post on IQfy?
>God has once more refused to provide any sign of his existence to the growing number of irreligious people
because christianity is about FAITH, john 3:16
What if someone is faithful, but through bad luck/God's plan, they choose the wrong religion to be faithful in?
Salvation is possible for anyone, but if that person hears the gospels and chooses to ignore it then his chances lower down.
Yes, that's the problem. Christianity expects people to believe in extravagant shit without any good reason whatsoever.
Faith needs to be confirmed by something in the long run.
Otherwise we call it an illusory hope
False because NDEs are unironically irrefutable proof that heaven really is awaiting us because (1) people see things during their NDEs when they are out of their bodies that they should not be able to under the assumption that the brain creates consciousness, and (2) anyone can have an NDE and everyone is convinced by it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U00ibBGZp7o
So any atheist would be too, so pic related is literally irrefutable proof of life after death. As one NDEr pointed out:
>"I'm still trying to fit it in with this dream that I'm walking around in, in this world. The reality of the experience is undeniable. This world that we live in, this game that we play called life is almost a phantom in comparison to the reality of that."
If NDEs were hallucinations somehow then extreme atheists and neuroscientists who had NDEs would maintain that they were halluinations after having them. But the opposite happens as NDEs convince every skeptic when they have a really deep NDE themselves.
But pseudoskeptics never actually read the literature on NDEs since they are dogmatically certain that it can not be real. But when they do, they realize they were wrong and that the evidence is already there.
Who are you that God has to justify himself to you?
It is written: ‘Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'
The proof is everything around you. People choose to willingly close their eyes and cover their ears and trust the "science", their new god.
I look around me, and all I see is animals crawling on Ymir's flesh or swimming in Ymir's blood, Ymir's bones rising at the horizon and Ymir's hair swinging along with the wind. Then I look up and see Ymir's skull and brain.
I see Odin's work, but no magic israelite's.
>the proof is like, out there or something, mane
>no you don't understand, God exists but he acts as if he didn't
But that dosen't make any sense.
If i do what you say, then i don't see what you see, i see the Zeus, Poseidon's work, or atleast a polytheists deities work not a monotheist Yahweh's one.
>Day 58263:
>A good guy once more refused to provide any sign of his existence to the growing number of 30+ roasties
Yup it do be like that