Did Hip Hop had a negative or positive effects on blacks?
Don't you think that it helped to promote a culture of antisocial behaviours and self ghettization?
And how was black culture before the advent of hip hop?
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>do you think israeli subversion of the black nuclear family via media brainwashing is le bad?
Stop blaming israelites for everything loser. Black families were prone to fracturing for ages due to the nature of poverty and work alongside things like prison labour, drug laws and other factors.
Blacks had a higher marriage rate than whites in the 50s
no welfare
really makes the ol nignog jog
you can be married and be separated, also lying about marriage was often a thing back then since the shame of saying you were a single mom was pretty bad.
>so why do so many rappers preach for absolutely moronic lifestyles, hedonism and crime?
not all rappers are the same and what you said is a thing in every genre of music.
>Stop blaming israelites for everything loser.
You might want to inform yourself about the producers who were the makers of the hip-hop boom back in the day.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Heller#Early_life_and_education
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_Rubin#Early_life
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyor_Cohen#Early_life
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leila_Steinberg
>point out that Rick Rubin is a israelite
>this is supposed to somehow make me like israelites less
Did I say such a thing? Why do you feel like the knowledge of the intimate ties between american israeli managers and the rise of hip-hop is such a shameful thing that one could only ever bring it up with malicious intentions?
Why is anyone promoting Black music of anytype an issue. There's British men who promoted and sold Jamaican music in the back of their trunk to Jamaican immigrants and there's no conspiracy over them?
because nobody gives a shit about Jamaicans
Missing the point. Why are israelites in such an industry an issue?
jews are extremely liberal so they're prone to makes things gay and full of Black folk, you know, degenerates
>jews are extremely liberal
Jews aren't a monolith. Some of the top Apartheid supporters were israelites and many israelites openly accepted Apartheid lol. The thing about them is that they cover the whole spectrum.
except this is 2022 and we can see how israelites vote and how they push liberalization and degeneracy.
We were talking about hip hop gay. Nobody cares about the phase that you're going through.
who cares? Nobody cares about Black folk
That's what the thread is about, if you didn't care you probably wouldn't be posting in it.
Nobody cares about about your teenage power fantasy. Go be a gay somewhere else.
okay well if the thread is about Black folk then I'm here to say nobody gives a frick about Black folk and they should all die
are you a Black person? is that why you act like a Black person all day and spam the board?
hey Black person
go run into traffic
you worthless homosexual
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black Black person detected
whiter than you amerimutt
no you're not you ugly Black person
>mutt thinks he's white
lol
Oh, who said that it was an issue? I just wanted to show my appreciation towards those gentlemen by replying to that anon who denied them having played a role at all in the rise of hip-hop. Really, I don't understand why you're so bellicose, anon.
>gentlemen by replying to that anon who denied them having played a role at all in the rise of hip-hop.
Most of the rise came from the nature of how the genre was spread between communities. the commercialization came later
Well what you said was "israeli subversion of the black family" which I thought was a negative implication.
Whereas I'm not an edgy, sexless teenager so I remember him as the guy who produced all of System of a Down's studio albums.
Get fricked zoomer.
>producers
Meant to say managers.
>wah wah wah da J00z
Jews always had a big part in the published music business in the US including most of pre hip-hop black music. Half of doo-wop was black kids singing standards written by ASCAP israeli songwriters and published on record labels by israeli A&R guys who often ripped off said black kids with a contract they never bothered to read.
>stop blaming israelites for shady dealings in the music industry that they run
Reminder that some of the most popular West Coast rappers including Ice Cube and Eazy E have named the israelite and openly stated that their record producers strong-armed them into business lopsided deals and blatant blackmail.
Old white men is running this rap shit
Corporate force's running this rap shit
Some tall Israeli is running this rap shit
Literally says that isrealis run it. Also who the frick do you think Jerry Heller was? Why do you think he pushed NWA so hard?
Its all israelites you dumb frick
The black nuclear family was destroyed by slavery. Black Patriarchs were metaphorically castrated due to having no power over their families and literally being at the mercy of their masters who could rape black women at will. We meme about Buck Breaking, but black patriarchy has literally never recovered from the Buck Breaking that was centuries of enslavement.
Moynihan Report doesnt say this explicitly, but the lack of strong patriarchs is a big issue for black American communities.
>muh racism
>muh culcha
lol
>Hurr durr being literal slaves obviously had no impact on Black family structures
Up next: British History has zero impact on American history
Nobody cares, that's the problem. It's called black people fatigue only you use the n word
>The black nuclear family was destroyed by slavery
There was no slavery in the 60's, before that black families were not so broken.
Probably negative
Rap is super Black personish
Blacks should be locked in a big room and be forced to watch moe anime
I think israelites and Racist Whites and Neo-liberal whites had negative effects on Blacks
I'll settle for toonami line up anime.
well its not so bad but the sub-genre of rap that has done the most damage is the Chicago Drill music wave which is kind of sad because those kids are borderline cause they did not go to school and just do drugs all day. It might have been a psyop to maybe get rid of them but that is schizo
Blaming music for problems is a pleb thing to do.
>Music
Hip Hop is a culture.
When said "music" is just ugly noise promoting crime and drive-by shootings, I think one can safely blame it
>promoting crime and drive-by shootings, I think one can safely blame it
You make it seem like it's brainwashing. Fricks sake you don't even know that it's mostly non-Blacks consuming that music. You basically are doing "video games make people violent"-tier rhetoric.
>You basically are doing "video games make people violent"-tier rhetoric.
But they do
Yes playing "No Russian" will turn some kids into mass shooters
Yes seeing e-girl pictures on IQfy will turn some people into pedophiles
Yes hearing Black person rape constantly will turn some blacks into criminals
That's not how it works
Yes it
Some people are very easily influenced
the absolute state of you morons
I frickin love some hip hop and even gangsta rap, but yeah, that shit is hell of toxic and israeli.
I'm black and I take no personal responsibility in any of my actions in my day to day life
I'm white and we haven't in 6000 years why start now?
>actually ypipo
cool it Travon or I'll call your parole officer
Cool it Timmy, we don't want you to shoot up another white school your demographics is already on fin ice.
That right Black person, beat your chest like the moron you are
>beat your chest
You would know all about beating one's flesh, would you incel low birth rate.
You're moronic if you think hiphop is the reason for the plight of black people in the US. Like severely moronic. The ghettos aren't terrible places to live because of hiphop music. Hiphop emerged from these shithole areas because of the terrible circumstances.
>Hiphop emerged from these shithole areas because of the terrible circumstances.
Agree, so why do so many rappers preach for absolutely moronic lifestyles, hedonism and crime? Is that helpful for their situation?
Because when you grow up in a poverty, violence stricken shithole with little to no way out and friends dropping like flies it breeds a live for the moment attitude. What's the point of saving for a future you don't have when you could get shot at any moment?
Back in school I read a study of Mexican drug cartel members who had a similar mentality. All of them expected to be dead by their late 20s so while they were alive they spend everything they made on women, drugs, and partying.
>Because when you grow up in a poverty, violence stricken shithole with little to no way out and friends dropping like flies it breeds a live for the moment attitude
Always complaining about material circumstances and denying personal responsibility, I see.
Then you wonder why you don't progress.
>Then you wonder why you don't progress.
That's mentality seen everywhere. If you live in dead end place/situation you sooner or later live in the short term. Larping about personal responsibility doesn't really make a good point when a ton of people well off don't even have it at all or got rich because they had no "personal reprehensibility/risk".
> Larping about personal responsibility doesn't really make a good point when a ton of people well off
Literally unable to think beyond materialism lmao
NGMI, sorry to break it down to you.
>Are you moronic? If you grow up in a crime-ridden environment, that's all you're gonna know and that type of mentality is gonna be inculcated from an early age
This has to be the most moronic version of determinism out there.
> Conservatives: "Muh family values, muh religious fairy tales, we need to raise our kids right or they'll be fricked up!"
> Also conservatives: Ignore all context when talking about black people in America, muh personal responsibility
You're severely moronic.
Who are you quoting?
>This has to be the most moronic version of determinism out there.
That isn't even remotely close to being determinism. It's literally the most basic shit everyone knows about.
Nope. Ketamine is legal as frick since it;s used in medicine and hospitals. Also Asia still has a massive drug market due to sheer size and profit. Killing some drug mule who fricked up does nothing.
Show use how they got poorer?
he is more right than you are pretentious frick. it is a mix of essentialism and constructivism but the latter is more prominent.
Are you moronic? If you grow up in a crime-ridden environment, that's all you're gonna know and that type of mentality is gonna be inculcated from an early age. Is it impossible to break out the cycle? Of course not, but when all the odds are stacked against you it's very rare. These dudes have no money, often come from broken homes, and have little to zero prospects for postsecondary education. The frick do you expect is gonna happen?
If you grow up in a stable environment with loving parents that emphasize discipline and education, you're probably gonna grow up to be relatively successful.
it doesn't help that blacks have been free for 160 years and have actually gotten POORER
White boys in the suburbs love the hedonistic criminals stuff, buy tons of it, and are a bigger market than black people. Even in the early 1990s the first gangster rap was being bought primarily by white teenagers and young men.
black music is just really easy to produce because it's so trash and takes no talent
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It's not east to make. Especially when there's a lot of variety and music in general is super competitive zoomer. Even music from Asian, Carribean, LatAm and Africa are pretty competitive in US markets.
>It's not east to make.
ASHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
black music is the easiest music in the world to make, they don't even have to learn how to play instruments
>black music is the easiest music in the world to make
Yet it's easy as frick to frick up and fail at it.
kind of like how ever nog thinks they're going to be a basketball star. The market only needs like 100 nogs mumbling about getting their ass sucked
>The market only needs like 100 nogs mumbling about getting their ass sucked
Rap isn't even the main genre anymore. You are like a decade behind on things.
so what's it called now, because it still sucks and sounds like some black moron mumbling about nonsense
>they don't even have to learn how to play instruments
A frickton of Black artists back then and now have a background in music, learned it form somebody or a member of their group did.
so what like beatboxing
Learning church hymns, learning from another person, exposure to music by family and friends, cultural exchanges etc.
>church hymns
give me a break
Write some quality rap right now. Give it your best, if you deliberately half-ass it as a joke you admit you are wrong
the stuff they sell to suburban white kids was pop rap made by opportunistic grifters like Dre and Cube who came up middle class and never set foot in an actual ghetto. that was never what actual black people listen to. if it's a rapper and white people have heard of him, he's most likely only listened to by white people.
>he's most likely only listened to by white people.
that's a lot of cope and you know it
>Dre and Cube who came up middle class
Dre. was raised in 70's Compton, moved allover the place and loved in projects. Cube lived in a high crime area with a dead half-sister.
>and Cube
Didn't that fricker go to the same high school as Lisa Kudrow?
Don’t know. But she grew up work John Lovitz
You might be thinking of Snoop and Cameron Diaz
You're a moron mate. I can guarantee that poor asians are less Black personish than poor Black folk
>I can guarantee that poor asians are less Black personish than poor Black folk
Nah they are just as bad and self-harming/struggling. You just don't really see or accept it because it's less visible.
Ketamine is rampant as frick in East Asia. In China it got so bad China tried getting Who to restrict/ban it to no avial.
But they do have the death penalty flat for convicted drug dealers, which does help alot.
Rap is just an expression of a pre-existing culture that was already being shown in blaxplotation films. Gangsta Rap is essentially blaxpotation music, taking the troubled subculture of low-class black Americans and turning it into entertainment.
>Did Hip Hop had a negative or positive effects on blacks?
Probably both. It's a form of expression. Rapping about music, drugs and pussy... probably bad. I think Tupac is generally good.
*guns, drugs and pussy
>I think Tupac is generally good.
Bait?
This literal Black person basically started black gang culture
He's the main culprit in turning most African Americans into violent criminals
>This literal Black person basically started black gang culture
How much of a zoomer are you?
>literal Black person
i hadn't noticed
>I think Tupac is generally good.
he died from what he rapped about you stupid dumb millennial Black person worshiping cuckold
Homicide in the US peaked in 1990, right around the time gangster rap made it into the mainstream.
So there's the odd dynamic where the 90s were filled with music about crime, while actual crime was falling like a rock.
So I'm inclined to believe that shitty black communities caused gangster rap, not the other way around.
Read this book to understand the core problem of the black community in the USA. Any other argument or justification is simply cope.
Forgot pic
It's shit because Thomas Sowell is ass at history and he likes painting inaccurate pictures of white/black/government interactions to fit his bias like his "theory" of Black ghetto culture and Dunbar High School which he laughbly tries to argue that segregation worked for it rather then realizing (omitting more like it) that Dunbar was in fricking DC where Jim Crow states had no control over how budget was allocated on education.
Not really the gangster hood shit is what birth Gangster rap not the other way around the already existing gang culture plus drug money making guns more widespread
The prison industrial complex is what really caused a boom
threads like these remind me that I share this board with a bunch of sheltered zoomers
Black neighborhoods used to have some kind of a middle class and entrepreneurship. Some of that was due to segregration forcing them to operate their own businesses. In the 60s a couple of things happened.
>LBJ creates welfare
>end of segregation removes a lot of the need for separate black-owned and operated businesses
>the race riots of the 60s ravaged black neighborhoods and turned them into cesspits full of crime and drugs
>also black church attendance declined as it did for basically everywhere in America outside the South
As a result by the 90s you had an entire generation of black kids grow up in the ashes of the 60s race riots who'd never known anything but crime and drugs; the only men they had to look up to as role models were pimps and criminals.
Did you fail hsitory class?
>LBJ creates welfare
Because it was needed for all of America and Blacks being denied welfare due to lack of social support by the state and many aid had negative repercussions.
>end of segregation removes a lot of the need for separate black-owned and operated businesses
no it didn't. In Segregation whties still felt entitled to Black customers on top of black businesses being threatened. On top of that no segregation meant Black shoppers had OPTIONS.
>the race riots of the 60s ravaged black neighborhoods and turned them into cesspits full of crime and drugs
The race riots did not do that. cities were already husks long before they occured
>also black church attendance declined as it did for basically everywhere in America outside the South
still was very high.
>In Segregation whties still felt entitled to Black customers on top of black businesses being threatened
In fact i remember one guy's father back in the day was at a white store and the shopkeeper was tending to his white clientele despite ignoring his coloured ones. his father decided to leave when the shopkeeper pulled out a shotgun in his face and told him to sit still. That's the type of shit Jim Crow was.
good thread guys
and a mutt is a mutt
enjoy being brown lol
sorry I'm not a Black person
>sorry I'm not a Black person
Why you post a photo of yourself mutt. Hey found pic of you when you were a baby.
oh shit this mutt's mad
post hand mutt
That's a cute monkey
>Imagine a white woman would rather breed with a monkey with a big dick, than you incels
Ya hate to see it.
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do a lot of people commit bestiality where you're from?
NTA but your kind would know all about that
And now your pope is kissing the feet of sudanese rapefugees, was it worth it?
>no hand
mutt confirmed
The reason why so many rappers particularly nowadays sing about living in squalor and glorifying it is because they usually listened to rap songs that glorified the gang life, as they tended to be the most popular. On an album, you'd hear 90% songs explicitly listing the hardships of ghetto life. On the radio, you'd hear 90% songs glorifying the ghetto life, usually being taken from the context of the former.
because nobody wants to hear about some Black person mumble about child support
kanye is the greatest artist of our time
songs that glorify cold blooded murder, stealing, and a list of crimes has had undeniable negative effect.
That was the average Viking song in 1300s.
And we killed them, forced them to convert, outbred them, and destroyed the old gods. Problem solved.
Songs that had "negative message" existed forever. you think "Butcher pete "was about a serial killer or a meat Butcher? Music doesn't cause that shit.
You listen to Black person music or something?
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are you still in high school?
Not always