Hell is more in the nature of a *state* than a *place*. It is the state of *willful separation from God*, or else the state of *active, eternal, rejection of God's love*; which, inevitably, leads to suffering because God is the source of our being and of all that is good. In other words, hell is the natural result of sin, which is the very opposite of God's will. If anyone sends us to hell, then, we send ourselves there, put ourselves in that state of separation, through the choices we make. Because we are, in the end, the sum and substances of the choices we make.
>Hell is more in the nature of a *state* than a *place*. It is the state of *willful separation from God*, or else the state of *active, eternal, rejection of God's love*
I see. And how do you know that?
>else the state of *active, eternal, rejection of God's love
In secular terms, this means you're bitter and feel like the world has cursed you. You don't need religion to fix this, just a purpose.
Don't you find it weird how much Christianity related folklore exists? Dante has no idea who will go to hell but some people probably think there is truth in what he's saying. That's probably how the religion started in the first place, head canon gone too far.
>That's probably how the religion started in the first place
thats a leap in logic that doesn't explain away the conversion of Paul, the fast and wide spreading of the religion amidst persecution, and the eye witness accounts
That's a fake quote. In the Inferno, people like that were not technically *in hell* but stuck just outside the gates for eternity while flies attacked them. The worst part of Dante's is for traitors and its actually frozen, not hot.
Hell is the only justifiable outcome. Even outside of moral merits, it's warranted to correct the discrepancies in happiness experienced on this earth. Lazarus and the Rich Man for instance. The rich man had a lifetime of happiness and Lazarus had a lifetime of misery. It is only fitting that their eternities should be the opposite. Eternal bliss for Lazarus and eternal suffering for the rich man. If this was not so, God wouldn't have allowed suffering in the first place. This makes it all right in the end.
What about people who live a life of misery yet still inflict evil on others?
Homeless crackheads who stab people to steal their phones and sell for junk, for instance.
If they repent I don't see an issue. In fact these are all lesser sins than others as the soul cannot truly become attached to them unlike sins of pleasure. They will suffer forever if they die unrepentant as with the case of the inpenintant theif.
I dont understand this, how could someone be happy their entire life? Miserable yeah, but happy, especially in that time? Short lifespan? Egotistical materially obsessed? And how would the discrepancies be corrected if the punishment is infinite (and prolly worse then the crime) but the crime finite? Double your lifespan in hell, sure. Purgatory, sure, but the infinite (and horrifying) part of hell is what deeply disturbes me, and others i assume. Also how much and inwhat way will i suffer in hell?
There's also a place reserved for pseuds and dilettantes. They lock them all up in a half empty house and them being how they are they soon start crying that the biggest punisment is not being part of God's plan, lamenting how psychological pain is even worse than physical. At that point, the demons throw them into the sea of fire, where they will stay forever.
this is a IQfy prompt
the rules here need to be changed so that not everything with fricking words in it or some dumb superfluous semantic connection to an actual book passes through
dunno, kind of on the fence about this one
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Where is this hell exactly?
Bend over and I'll show ya
gay
I guess you're hoping I'll send you there?
You coming with
Again, to where exactly?
Follow me
To where, exactly?
Just follow me, young grasshopper. And I'll show you the path of enlightenment
Hell is more in the nature of a *state* than a *place*. It is the state of *willful separation from God*, or else the state of *active, eternal, rejection of God's love*; which, inevitably, leads to suffering because God is the source of our being and of all that is good. In other words, hell is the natural result of sin, which is the very opposite of God's will. If anyone sends us to hell, then, we send ourselves there, put ourselves in that state of separation, through the choices we make. Because we are, in the end, the sum and substances of the choices we make.
>Hell is more in the nature of a *state* than a *place*. It is the state of *willful separation from God*, or else the state of *active, eternal, rejection of God's love*
I see. And how do you know that?
I’ve been there
>inb4 it was just the feeling of social isolation because most everyone he knows is a christgay
>And how do you know that?
The thing speaks for itself.
>else the state of *active, eternal, rejection of God's love
In secular terms, this means you're bitter and feel like the world has cursed you. You don't need religion to fix this, just a purpose.
e.g. re Putin or Trump
Don't you find it weird how much Christianity related folklore exists? Dante has no idea who will go to hell but some people probably think there is truth in what he's saying. That's probably how the religion started in the first place, head canon gone too far.
>That's probably how the religion started in the first place
thats a leap in logic that doesn't explain away the conversion of Paul, the fast and wide spreading of the religion amidst persecution, and the eye witness accounts
Why would it be weird? Christianity is pretty influential
That's a fake quote. In the Inferno, people like that were not technically *in hell* but stuck just outside the gates for eternity while flies attacked them. The worst part of Dante's is for traitors and its actually frozen, not hot.
> The worst part of Dante's is for traitors
As someone that was betrayed semi-recently this is satisfying. Maybe I should read this.
Ok dicklet
Yes exactly, the quote is actually from Heinrich von Kleists Catechism for Germans
I knew it
Nah mate I’m pretty sure it’s child rapists
>my opinion good, your opinion bad
Any questions?
frozen chested fence sitters get an ironic fate, next question
Basically me. Also there is no magic skydaddy that conveniently tortures people you don't like. Cope.
Hell is the only justifiable outcome. Even outside of moral merits, it's warranted to correct the discrepancies in happiness experienced on this earth. Lazarus and the Rich Man for instance. The rich man had a lifetime of happiness and Lazarus had a lifetime of misery. It is only fitting that their eternities should be the opposite. Eternal bliss for Lazarus and eternal suffering for the rich man. If this was not so, God wouldn't have allowed suffering in the first place. This makes it all right in the end.
What about people who live a life of misery yet still inflict evil on others?
Homeless crackheads who stab people to steal their phones and sell for junk, for instance.
If they repent I don't see an issue. In fact these are all lesser sins than others as the soul cannot truly become attached to them unlike sins of pleasure. They will suffer forever if they die unrepentant as with the case of the inpenintant theif.
>he thinks his consciousness will survive the destruction of his brain
I dont understand this, how could someone be happy their entire life? Miserable yeah, but happy, especially in that time? Short lifespan? Egotistical materially obsessed? And how would the discrepancies be corrected if the punishment is infinite (and prolly worse then the crime) but the crime finite? Double your lifespan in hell, sure. Purgatory, sure, but the infinite (and horrifying) part of hell is what deeply disturbes me, and others i assume. Also how much and inwhat way will i suffer in hell?
And no other denomination but the catholic has purgatory so...
This is why Giorgio Agamben (pbuh) is going to heaven and most of academia is going to hell.
Pretty funny to imagine that the Swiss are punished worse than Himmler.
See ya in bell bros
Dante would've hated Switzerland
Why didn't Hitler annex Switzerland?
There's also a place reserved for pseuds and dilettantes. They lock them all up in a half empty house and them being how they are they soon start crying that the biggest punisment is not being part of God's plan, lamenting how psychological pain is even worse than physical. At that point, the demons throw them into the sea of fire, where they will stay forever.
this is a IQfy prompt
the rules here need to be changed so that not everything with fricking words in it or some dumb superfluous semantic connection to an actual book passes through
Imagine Dante on IQfy. HOLY KINO