Do atheists prefer heaven or hell?
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Do atheists prefer heaven or hell?
Do atheists prefer heaven or hell?
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Atheists think there is neither heaven or hell just nothingness, existence ends there. Is this ragebait?
It's not about thinking, it's about preferring.
Do you prefer friendly Bigfoot or evil Bigfoot?
Atheist here. It's not a difficult question because obviously the idea of eternal bliss is better than the idea of eternal torment.
The problem is that heaven and hell don't exist.
>Endless church service
vs
>Pain and the gnashing of teeth and shit
Sounds like a lateral move tbh senpai
Well, your idea of heaven being a church service is about as equally as small minded of your idea of what hell is.
Actual god only lets you into heaven if you didn't fail his test of believing in "god" with no evidence. All theists go straight to hell.
Heaven: See the face of God.
Hell: See the face of God.
It more like, Atheists was never given the choice to reject the one true Faith. If he rejects Calvinism, God won’t judge him for that.
Many who reject the one true Church are like that. An Atheist in America or Briton might get mercy.
I would greatly appreciate heaven due to the houris
>Would you rather eternal bliss or eternal torment?
Hmm, difficult question.
For the atheist it is, since they don't believe in anything good after death.
I don't see why that would make it a difficult choice.
They don't believe in anything bad after death either my friend, they simply make the correct observation that there isn't any way to know until you die.
>there isn't any way to know until you die
Surely death will be the end of your consciousness. Because consciousness only exists when the brain is alive. As brain cells die when you die (your heart stops pumping oxygenated blood into the brain), you will lose consciousness.
As for what a lack of consciousness is like, well, what was it like before you were born? You didn't experience anything before you were born. In all likelihood you won't experience anything after you die either.
They don't want to be around the type of people that end up in heaven, they don't want to worship the Lord even if he were proven to be real to them and commanded their obedience, they think satan was in the right, etc. Atheists would actually take eternal torment due to their pride and arrogance
>even if he were proven to be real to them
They know He's real, that's why they hate Him.
What do you think the word 'atheist' means?
Leftism.
moron
On any plausible view, the kinds of people that would end up in heaven are presumably the most virtuous people, and I would very much like to be around those people. That presumably wouldn't include Pharisees like you though.
>I would very much like to be around those people
Really, you seem to hate being around them here on earth
>they think satan was in the right
No I think all character described in the bible sounds insufferable, satan included
if heaven and hell is real then if i go, ill be in heaven while my dad who died an atheist is tortured for all eternity, how am i supposed to be happy in heaven knowing that?
They want to go to hell because they hate God. To their minds hellfire is infinitely better than a moment in God's presence.
I don't hate God at all, I don't believe he is there.
One man's Heaven is another man's Hell and vice versa.
I can't argue with that
They want hell cause they think it has sex
Do theists prefer unicorns or dragons?
Unicorns are literally Rhinoceros.
As for Dragons, they are Serpents or literally Seraphim; also the devil (Leviathan).
Dragons are also dinosaurs, which was the popular term for them before the advent of modern science and development of the taxonomy of dinosaurs.
Soooo
You think you can teeeeell
Heaven from heeeeeell
HOW I WIIISH
HOW I WISH YOU WERE HERE
>Do athiest prefer a made up thing or a made up thing?
No preference really, neither are real. Even if I had to, I still wouldnt choose one. Hell sounds pretty shitty, a place of revenge by a petty bully of an entity that hate's being spurned. heaven sounds worse though, because it would be full of christians who love their slave master - spending an eternity with those brainwashed stockholm syndrome victims would be hell to any non christian.
When do heaven and hell show up in the Bible? So far (Genesis-Jeremiah) it's just been people dying and them ceasing to exist after they die, nobody goes to any place of eternal bliss or eternal torment, and everybody gets the same treatment (except maybe Elijah?) Does that show up after Jeremiah or did I miss something in the earlier books?
You missed a lot.
Every time God or somebody speaking on behalf of God says that you should do pleasing things to God and be rewarded with health, prosperity, safety, freedom etc. and if you do things God hates like worshipping idols or sacrificing people to Baal or marrying non-Israelites then you're cut off and you get killed or enslaved or some other terrible thing. About 90% of the Bible from Job to Jeremiah is literally just saying variations of the above over and over.
The problem is that these are all punishments in the world and not punishments in an afterlife (which again, is never even mentioned, let alone elaborated on). Maybe it shows up in the Book of Daniel, idk, haven't got there yet, but so far it's been conspicuously absent in comparison with how much emphasis modern Christians put on Heaven and Hell
It's not about heaven and hell, it's about harmony with God or wrath for wrongdoing.
Yes exactly, the righteous live long lives and have many children while the wicked get sick and die. But nothing changes what happens after the righteous or the wicked die. Like Ecclesiastes in particular goes on and on about there being no afterlife.
OT, you die, you go to Sheol, Hades. If you were righteous, you go to the compartment of paradise. If you were a sinner, you go to the compartment without God's grace. It isn't as much of a metaphysical place as Heaven, but more as a state of being for the souls waiting for the Judgement. You are right, OT people did not go to heaven, as you require a body. Enoch and Elijah are the only two in the OT that go straight to it for how they walked with God.
It isn't until Jesus went into Hades and preached to the dead, and the fallen angels bound up in there are the righteous released to Heaven and given new transfigured bodies. The compartment of Paradise is now empty. Not to say that Hell won't exist, the lake of fire is meant for the Satan, his angels, and the demons. But as it is the place for the rebellion, anyone who casted his lot with Satan or do not want to be in the presence of God go with him.
Where does it describe the good and bad compartments of Sheol?
You aren't going to get a solid description of it in the Old Testament. Because no one comes back from it to see it.
“O Lord you have brought up my soul from Sheol; you restored me to life from among those who go down to the pit.” (Psalm 30:3)
Spirits do not come back from Sheol; “As the cloud fades and vanishes, so he who goes down to Sheol does not come up;” (Job 7:9)
There is not a ‘spiritual life’ in Sheol; “For in death there is no remembrance of [God]; in Sheol who will give you praise?” (Psalm 6:5)
Psalm 88:3-12
God ransomed people from Sheol; “But God will ransom my soul from the power of Sheol, for he will receive me. Selah” (Psalm 49:15)
The paradise described in Sheol is one of rest, a place where God sets aside his people.
We do get a clearer picture with the story of the Rich Man and Lazarus.
It isn't a place of fire and brimstone, but one of darkness, but it "burns" as the torment of the soul turns in on itself for the sin of oneself. The torment in Hades is by that of our own affliction by our own inequity.
Death is a great mystery of God. At least from what I have heard from the disembodied, that it is more real and I can imagine it is so as there are no constraints of the body and how the soul would turn in on itself.
1/2
"Bataille’s texts are ‘a hecatomb of words without gods or reason to be’,22 led back down through the crypts of the West by a furious impulse to dissociate theism and religion, and thus to return the sacred to its shamanic impiety, except that nothing can ever simply return, and Hell will never be an innocent underworld again. The depths have become infernal, really so, quite irrespective of the fairy tales we are still told. ‘[F]lames surround us / the abyss opens beneath our feet’23 reports Bataille from the brink of the impossible, ‘an abyss that does not end in the satiate contemplation of an absence’24 because its lip is the charred ruin of even the most sublimed subjectivity. ‘I have nothing to do in this world’, he writes, ‘[i]f not to burn’.25 ‘I suffer from not burning … approaching so close to death that I respire it like the breath of a lover’.26 It is not only due to the inquisition that all the great voyagers have for a long time been *singed*. For well over a century all who have wanted to see have seen: no profound exploration can be launched from the ruins of monotheism unless it draws its resources from damnation."
2/2
"The death of God is a religious event – a transgression, experiment in damnation, and stroke of antitheistic warfare – but this is not to say it is pre-eminently a crime. Hell has no interest in our debauched moral currency. To confuse reactive dabblings in sin with expeditions in damnation is Christian superficiality; the Dantean error of imagining that one could earn oneself an excursion in Hell, as if the infernal too was a matter of justice. Our crimes are mere stumblings on the path to ruin, just as every projected *Hell on Earth* is a strict exemplar of idolatry. Transgression is not criminal action, but tragic fate; the intersection of an economically programmed apocalypse with the religious antihistory of poetry. It is the inevitable occurrence of impossibility, which is not the same as death, but neither is it essentially different.
This ambivalence responds to that of death ‘itself’, which is not ontological but labyrinthine: a relapse of composition that is absolute to discontinuity, yet is nothing at the level of immanence. The very individuality that would condition the possibility of a proprietary death could only be achieved if death were impossible. One dies because discontinuity is never realized, but this means that there is never ‘one’ who dies. Instead there is an unthinkable communication with zero, immanence, or the sacred. ‘There is no feeling that throws one into exuberance with greater force than that of nothingness. But exuberance is not at all annihilation; it is the surpassing of the shattered attitude, it is transgression’.27"
>heaven
Doesn't exist in the Bible. The Bible speaks of the "heavens", but not a place where souls go after they die.
>hell?
Doesn't exist in the Bible. It's a literary inventions that was added centuries later.
why can't christcucks get their own religion straight? God probably hates you more than he hates atheists at this point given how much you've bastardized your own beliefs
I don't really consider myself an atheist per se. I'm just kind of lost and adrift in terms of religion because I think too much about things. I guess when I was a Christian I would have said I prefer heaven but I don't think I'm worthy of it. Now that I'm no longer Christian I would say that I don't really care. Heaven would be nice, but I don't know if it exists, so why does it matter?