I'm an Amerindian from a """village""" in Yucatan and I notice how Mexicans glorify their supposedly Aztec heritage and how they are Aztecs.
You know what I'm talking about, this occurs mainly among "Chicano eses".
Anyway, my question is how close are the Mexicans to the Aztecs?
My family and I are literal Indians, maybe we are closer to the ancient Mayans? And if "modern Aztecs" exist, are they part of small tribal groups in remote areas of central Mexico?
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you're a real injun huh? post timestamp with your skin and village, homosexual
as far as I can tell, those guys you're talking about are just generalizing aztec to mean all mesoamerica for some stupid reason. It's understandable I guess, seeing that there's so much aztec stuff in the modern nation, you're called mexico and you're capital is former tenochtitlan. Also tenochtitlan was like, the coolest shit ever so of course you'd want to claim you were aztec.
>you are a true Indian, right? post timestamp with your skin and village, homosexual
no. thanks.
>As far as I know, these guys you're talking about are just generalizing Aztec to mean all of Mesoamerica for some stupid reason. I guess it's understandable since there are so many Aztec things in the modern nation, you're called Mexico and your capital is ancient Tenochtitlan. Plus, Tenochtitlan was like, the coolest shit ever, so of course you'd want to claim it was Aztec.
None of this answered my question.
>Anyway, my question is how close are the Mexicans to the Aztecs?
What, like culturally? I hope you fricking get closer than you are now. Watching modern mexico neglect its one-of-a-kind heritage for centuries is maddening. Tear down all that spanish shit and start building mesoamerigay architecture again. Spanish should also be ejected from the continent, like drawing poison from a wound. Revive your scripts and languages. Do something with what you have, it's the only thing that makes you special, and it is special.
Not even my sister who is a "nativist" has such a silly thought.
I'm not even going to write about it.
and which are the ones with the most Aztec ancestry?
good points.
I hadn't thought about that. I don't think the Atecas were very "inclusive" actually.
mexilarps are incredibly boring, I once met a guy from northern Mexico, and it seems like his life was based on talking about how bad foreigners are and how Spain massacred the Mexicans and that's why Mexico is poor
>and which are the ones with the most Aztec ancestry?
the darker ones
>Not even my sister who is a "nativist" has such a silly thought.
>I'm not even going to write about it.
Yeah I know. That's the problem, you're all cowards, ALL of you. The number of you that have the balls or conviction to do those things might as well not exist. You don't care about how cool it would be, the heights you could achieve. You're just content to be stupid shadows of what you once were. I'm not injun, I don't have the slightest bit of skin in the game, except for my autistic fascination with the works of your ancestors.
Onward to oblivion with you, you useless parasite to your own heritage.
You can't undo what is done, bro.
My father taught me that we should ignore those who insult people for no apparent reason.
I'm sorry my dear friend, I can't respond to your comment or even analyze it as a whole
There are two types of Mexicans.
Those with more Spaniard in them and those with more Aztec
no
the mexicans are just sad larps, maybe they are not we wuz kingz afro level due to the fact that they are almost 50/60% native ancestry, but they are still mestizos. and the studies say "native ancestry", so it is not specific whether they are Aztecs or the tribes oppressed by them in the region LOL, which remember, were the ones who actually defeated the Aztecs allied with the Iberians.
but considering that the Aztecs originate from the United States and are not native to Mexico, perhaps some American tribe is closest to the Aztecs, but I'm not sure, I don't know how open the Aztecs were to mixing and unifying cultures and peoples .
Depends on what you consider "Aztecs"; Tenochtitlan had like a 100,000 inhabitants before the siege but the empire itself ruled over millions of nahua people (though only of a fraction of it were actual "mexica", dispersed around the lake and in pseudo-colonies throughout the empire). If you have got ancestors from central mexico chances are you might have aztec blood but if your family as a whole is only from the peninsula you might only have maya indigenous ancestors. No modern "aztec" identity survived into modern times but the nahua people they formed part of still exist and are divided into diverse subgroups.
>Depends on what you consider "Aztecs
I'm not a relativist, obviously I'm talking about the Aztecs in and around the capital. This is as obvious as saying that the European peoples who made up the Roman Empire were not really Romans.
>If you have ancestors from Central Mexico, chances are you have Aztec blood, but if your family as a whole is just from the peninsula, you may only have indigenous Mayan ancestors.
Basically, but I don't think it's very significant beyond very specific people, northern and central Mexicans mainly, have a significant concentration of Iberian blood.
the south is not as pure as we think. and we must still see which of them really have Aztec or Mayan blood or that of some subjugated or vassal tribe.
> No modern "Aztec" identity survived into modern times, but the Nahua people of which they were a part still exist and are divided into several subgroups.
Tell me more about them, if that's who I'm thinking of, I don't think they're very "classic".
>Basically, but I don't think it's very significant beyond very specific people, northern and central Mexicans mainly, have a significant concentration of Iberian blood.
Ok?
>The south is not as pure as we think. and we must still see which of them really have Aztec or Mayan blood or that of some subjugated or vassal tribe
Most people with indigenous ancestors of that region would have blood from both mexica and vassal states, the spaniards liked to move populations around for labour and control and with the new class system (with the hispanics on top and the natives below) there was nothing to stop miscegenation between the inhabitants of old vassal communities and the "ethnic" mexica.
>Most people with indigenous ancestors of that region would have blood from both mexica and vassal states
I know
Oh, ok. Did I misunderstand your point then?
no my friend.
It was a great conversation! I thank you and all the boys, I drew good conclusions here
If you have a loose enough definition of aztec to include subjects and vassal states and other people historically cucked by the OG aztecs, maybe. Ethnically and linguistically speaking, the people they are thinking of when they think of the word aztec wouldn't have any significant descendants in a different part of the country. It's just another form of wewuzzing. What does "descent" matter if you haven't actually retained anything? Not religion, land, culture, history, or even language. It's just fanboyism at that point.
Yes.
I am referring mainly to the "O Aztecs" that you mentioned, so can we say that they are basically extinct? As several people said here, probably most of the native blood of Mexicans comes from the tribes conquered and subjugated by the Aztecs.
Maybe this answers once and for all, if we are right here, and the Aztecs did not colonize in a migratory sense other parts of Mexico and were confined to their capital, we can say that there are no Aztecs today. Most of the Mexicans in their former capital are very mestizo... but some are incredibly "Indian".
I would agree that there are no "true" aztec descendants anymore. You could maybe make some broad argument about aztecs representing the native mesoamerican race in the same way miscellaneous eurotrash in the US latch onto the idea of being "white" to appropriate anglo heritage, but at least there the English language and culture has been kept.
I don't know if I understand what you meant
Yes. Maybe I have Mayan plebeian ancestry? It doesn't matter with the elite or plebs, the Mayan people as something on their own is enough.
But I think it's impossible to know that, really.
TS: these women in the photo look like some of my aunts hahahahahahahaba
but they are thinner and wear more "modern" clothes
Maya returned to traditions to live in the jungle. They were safe from race mixing spaniards ruining their bloodline.
tribes that were part of the Aztec ""empire""? if. the tribes they conquered, the Mexicans celebrate the people who conquered them hahaha and being nice to them, at most some people from the ""Aztec empire"", but it would be the same thing as saying that the inhabitants of Roman Gaul were really Romans
now, racial Aztecs who came from the north several centuries ago? nah. they died. There may be some genetic pockets in Mexico, but they are low.
About you and your family, it's more complicated, the question is a little different but not much, so we can say that you probably have ancestry from some kingdom allied with the Mayan elites.
I mean, the Mayans wouldn't want to be put in the same place as their common people or their allies by the Spanish.. if you're lucky, you might be a descendant of the Mayan common people, since they had a greater number than the Aztecs who were just their elite and they didn't really have a "plebs"
Do you mean genetically or culturally? Cause genetically yes you have the DNA of the same people who have always lived in those areas (barring some influx of Spanish blood). As a civilization though? Not a chance. The Spanish did a thorough job of destroying Aztec society and culture. Mayan culture survived to a larger degree though still mostly supplanted by the new Spanish society. More rural Mayan areas have the most actual cultural continuity with pre-spangsh Mayan culture, and may even still speak Mayan languages (which is a big deal) while urban areas are more likely to have fallen into the modern "Mestizo" identity.
Te responderé en español porque doy por sentado que lo hablas. Los mexicanos no tenemos mucha conexión real o directa con los mexicas o aztecas, salvo las pocas familias con documentos que prueban que sus antepasados eran nobles o algo por el estilo. Además, estos lazos dependen mucho según la región del país. Por ejemplo, tú que eres yucateco tienes mucha más cercanía a los mayas que a los mexicas. Sin embargo, si tuvieses que forzar a un grupo de personas bajo la categoría de descendientes de los mexicas o aztecas, yo te diría que son las personas indígenas que viven en el Valle de México, en el de Toluca o en el de Puebla, así como algunos grupos originarios localizados en Hidalgo. Esto porque son las zonas donde los mexicas tuvieron mayor impacto cultural y difusión, esa zona era la base de su poderío, pues. Aun así, no sé si la cercanía de esa relación sea dada una descendencia directa o por colonización mexica durante el imperio. Finalmente, pienso que retenemos pocos elementos "completos" de la cultura mexica, más bien una combinación de las culturas mesoamericanas en general, así como la española. Espero que te sirva mi respuesta, saludos cordiales hasta tu morada.
dumbass indio from yucatán doesnt know his own history toplol
mexicas were genocided except for a few that fled to neighbouring areas
most mexican mestizos descend from tlaxcaltecs (who were also aztecs), especially in jalisco, the bajio and the north
surindios were still indians until the early 1900s, you obviously descend from local groups (probably are genetically completely indian too despite not speaking the language)
Mayas are interesting, but Olmecs are way more interesting.
I'd rather be an Olmec than an Aztec.
Anon do you or anyone in your family speak an indigenous language? Or just Spanish (and English in your case)? I'm curious to know if that's commonplace among Latin Amerindians, to know the local indigenous tongue
I guess I'll post some maps. Amerindian genetics in Mexico generally follows a North-South gradient with Indian blood increasing the further south you go, peaking in Southern Mexico near Guatemala. Which makes since given how densely populated the region was prior to Spanish colonization. Generally speaking your average Mexican,who are mestizos, are usually anywhere from 40-60% Native, the rest being European with a sliver of African DNA.
>only 3 pie charts with majority Amerindian ancestry
that's just kinda sad tbh
wait hold on I missed one, so there are 4
my sentiment remains though
>the regions of the two best indigenous civilizations have some of the highest concentrations of native blood
Maya and Tawantinsuyu were and are just build different, nahua and mapuche "people" can't stop getting Ls
>And if "modern Aztecs" exist, are they part of small tribal groups in remote areas of central Mexico?
Modern Aztecs don't live in rural areas, they are literally the inhabitants of Mexico City (with most of their DNA diluted, anyways).
There are some other still tribal Nahuatl-speaking peoples around Central Mexico, but those are the descendants of the subjects of thr Aztec Empire, not the aztecs themselves.
Most remaining tribal people in Mexico belong to other mesoamerican cultures, such as the Yucatec Maya, the Totonac and Mixtecs. The Aztecs and other Nahua peoples were mostly intermixed and urbanized, even if a lot of them still speak Nahuatl.
Thank you
Southern Mexico has the most Amerindian genes. Some people there even speak the native languages.
Chilangos all look brown, squat and aztek af tbh. That’s why you have so many weebs down there role play and cosplay as tranime characters
thanks for the answers friends
Forgive me for not answering all of you, but I read them all.
>You know what I'm talking about, this occurs mainly among "Chicano eses
Zoomer Mexicans in the US don't care about Aztecs and only 40+ year olds call themselves chicano. why don't you gays get off your computer and go outside?
The Náhuatl language is still spoken to this day. Most Mexicans unless they're from a specific area around Mexico City are descended from other Natives like Tarascans and shit not Aztecs.