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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why are redditors white knighting for the guy? Did he ever complain over stolen credit or ask for help?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      He simped but the complaints weren't really white knighting for him but rather more anger at the increasing cultural tendency to celebrate female accomplishments even if they were only minimally involved in a project mostly done by males with little recognition.
      Just look at the FIU bridge collapse. Before the collapse the bridge was celebrated as an achievement for women in engineering, especially brown women. Once it collapsed, all of that was quickly memoryholed and a male found to be blamed.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Did he ever complain over stolen credit or ask for help?
      such a thing is not necessary for people to scratch their head at the weird double standards.
      >woman submitted pointless cosmetic pull requests
      >international recognition

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        you're literally looking at like 10 commits out of thousands, are you dense?
        and as

        [...]

        stated it was her own algorithm and he simply implemented it

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          https://github.com/achael/eht-imaging/commits?author=klbouman

          look at the commits yourself, there are only 94 with a total of around 4k lines of changes, and they are all the same cosmetic garbage. now compare that with the achael, who had 1mill+ lines and obviously did most of the coding work.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Well, what's the proof that she wrote the algorithm and that he simply implemented it? The whole question of ethics falls on that fact alone.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >https://www.npr.org/2019/04/10/711723383/watch-earth-gets-its-first-look-at-a-black-hole
            >Some of that work took place in Massachusetts, at MIT's Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Lab, where computer scientist Katie Bouman "led the creation of a new algorithm to produce the first-ever image of a black hole," the lab said Wednesday.
            She was literally the leader of the CS lab who published the algorithm when she was a postdoc

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >led the creation of a new algorithm
            what does this even mean? so she was given the title of lead and an algorithm was made by a man in the team she was leading?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Bruh that Andrew Chael guy isn't even listed in that pdf you linked. Did she write a research paper using somebody else's work?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Bruh that Andrew Chael guy isn't even listed in that pdf you linked.
            Yeah, obviously. He was a code monkey, read my lips: CODE MONKEY. He didn't do any of the research involved in producing the image, hence he just gets an acknowledgement at the bottom.
            >Acknowledgments We would like to thank Andrew Chael, Kather-
            ine Rosenfeld, Lindy Blackburn, and Fabien Baron for all of their help-
            ful discussions and feedback.
            Even moreso the grant was under Bouman's name, meaning that it was the reasearch was under her postgrad work.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            he is...

            [...]
            Being a "leader" in a lab isn't like being a middle manager at a fast food restaurant you wagies.
            >https://arxiv.org/abs/1512.01413
            She was first author, indicating she did most of the theoretical work in the publication.

            >you wagies
            stop deflecting, the fact that her name is on a paper doesn't really tell us anything about the supposed algorithm she made or how much of any of this work was directly attributed to her.
            >indicating she did most of the theoretical work in the publication
            you are just speculating at this point.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            "... for all of their helpful discussions and feedback"

            Dude, she straight up stole his work. LOL

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            how? seems to me he did much of the implementation, and perhaps she did the theoretical work? my doubts are on what this theoretical work that she did was. this other guy claims she made an algorithm... but I wouldn't go as far as to say she stole anyone's work. idk why you are saying that...

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >does 99% of the work
            >receives credit only for "helpful discussions and feedback"
            This looks a lot like plagiarism.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            schizo, Chael himself even admits that his work was just an implementation of HER paper. Would you say a slave plagiarizes their master's work when they build a monument their master planned?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Got a source? All I'm seeing is this Andrew Chael guy did all of the work that there is evidence for. You know - stuff we can actually see instead of rumors. We can also see this guy is not credited at all for programing whatever this was. That alone is verifiable plagiarism.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The article is about the techniques, the code is only an implementation of it, hence why he isn't credited, because he developed nothing.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I mean he had nothing to do with the development of the techniques*.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >He gets credit for writing the software, and that's it.
            Where tf did he get credit for writing the software in that research paper. I would love to see this situation go down in front of the school board.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The paper isn't about the software tard. I literally said it before.
            Can code monkeys even understand the difference between theoretical computer science and actually writing programs anymore?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >The paper isn't about the software tard
            Actually there is data and snapshots of the software this Andrew Chael guy coded in the research paper. He was not cited nor given credit for programing the software at all. This is plagiarism by definition. There is no defense here.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            (Responding to my own post) I am gathering a case here for future reference. You are in trouble, little missy. I may or may not be a dean at your university.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            To supplement your case, use the fact that both their academic websites and CVs are identically formatted. One is copying off the other. Who is the better programmer of the two, hmm? Therefore who is copying off whom?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Absolute fricking moron.

            There is a difference between building something used in an article and actually contributing you absolute idiot
            >We would like to give credits to the engineers at Fluke that designed and made the multimeters used in this experiment which we show the photos of
            >We would like to give credits to the programmers who wrote mathematica for the image processing used in this article
            >We would like to give credits to the child who made these test tubes for their invaluable contribution to this experiment
            That's all he did, he built the tool. Nothing more. And hence, he gets no credits.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            There are clearly images of the software in the paper. And yes, coding a tool requires citation of the coder. Have fun being outside of academia.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >things I just made up
            >There are clearly images of the software in the paper.
            Like I literally just pointed out above, you can absolutely use images of something built without giving it credit, like the millions of photos and plots used in articles as well the fact every other single equipment used in any article doesn't get credits. It's that simple, he built the tool, he gets credit for building the tool.
            You can use the tool without giving him credit on the paper, because the tool has nothing to do with the research, just like all of the other tools.

            Once more this isn't a paper about the program, this is a paper that at most uses the program as any other tool, which does not require any credit.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You are ridiculous.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            whoops, inverted the order of the quotes.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >1 million lines of code
            >he developed nothing
            Just admit she plagiarized this guy's work. xD

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            if he wanted to kill his career he would have told the truth

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Hes a simp. Also, imagine beliving a literal 20 year old hole had an original idea in astrophysics. I bet she went "what if we took a black hole photograph!"
            MY IDEA!

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            He did nothing, he's just a code monkey who implemented the algorithm/techniques/math she developed.

            It's like how the graduate students are the slaves in the lab who do all the manual labor for the head researcher who actually develops the theory and experiment.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >he's just a code monkey
            and the israeliteess ur simping for was just a hole with breasts that was given the limelight for a project she can't really even take credit for. an algorithm is not the same as an entire million line project.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The absolute amount of seethe in your post is hilarious btw.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            im just using the same namecalling ur doing sweaty. ur just mad ur little israeliteess did nuffin while le chad male did all the work.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You're defending a israelite too

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            no im just saying she didnt do all the work. ur defending a israeliteess kek

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Chael is a israelite and a homosexual unironically

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            oyyyyveeyyyyyyyyy

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Well that's some projection as you're calling this Andrew guy a slave in your posts multiple times. lol How did you even get your PhD, btw?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Show me a monkey that can write a million lines of code

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            (You)

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >This looks a lot like plagiarism
            I suppose the correct term in English would be "ghost writing".

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >the fact that her name is on a paper doesn't really tell us anything about the supposed algorithm she made or how much of any of this work was directly attributed to her.
            Actually, it does. You just don't want to admit that she did the work, admit it. Most of the other authors are just astronomers with applied stuff, she's the only one attached to the paper who seems to have a significant background in image processing.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Most of the other authors are just astronomers with applied stuff
            bruh. this is unfounded garbage. neither you or I know what they did or their skills. stop pulling shit out of your ass.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >neither you or I know what they did or their skills.
            You do realize you can click on their name and see all the other papers they published on arxiv? You can see literally all of the academic work they've ever done using that link.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            and how can you objectively look at their work and devalue it as compared to the israeliteess? its all subjective garbage. you just want the girl to take credit for all the other work people did.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Being a "leader" in a lab isn't like being a middle manager at a fast food restaurant you wagies
            It literally is. Leader=Manager.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Not linking the proper paper
            >https://arxiv.org/abs/1605.06156
            What the frick is your problem?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            all the simps ignore this

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Anon didn't ask for proof that she was a middle manager, he asked for proof that she wrote the algorithm for others to implement. Go ahead and try deflecting again so you can be called out again.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >leader of the CS lab
            so she was busy in meetings over funding allocation and pointless bureaucratic bullshit while the researchers were writing code, got it.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >the leader
            lol

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            leader in this case probably means she managed the scheduling

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Now read the other guys thesis and then tell me what you think

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Now read the other guys thesis and then tell me what you think
            show us what you mean.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >https://dash.harvard.edu/handle/1/42029694
            What about it?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Shut the frick up about their CVs, doesnt prove anything even if they stole it from each other. Absolutely weak evidence, you're just baiting at this point.
            An estrogen addled brain wrote that post. I don't care whether you're a femboy, a troony, or a woman---it's clear that you have too much estrogen.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            [CITATION NEEDED]

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >npr.org
            >much source
            >very unbiased
            >totally not celebrating vegana awards
            >wow

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Post anotherr source then

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            you want me to provide a source to prove your claim?
            go back to school.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I didn't post the npr link but if you disagree back it up

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I was not the one making the claim that she developed the algorithm.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            If you claim npr isbad prove it

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >yo Andrew could you pls commit on git what I wrote I'm too smart for it

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            This but unironically
            Why spend time doing what any codemonkey can do

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          She stole his CV formatting as well. Look up her CV and look up his CV. Oh, she also stole his website formatting too.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Sounds like she stole his penis and one of his kidneys too.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Holy shit it's real.
            >Katie Bouman
            >http://users.cms.caltech.edu/~klbouman/
            >http://users.cms.caltech.edu/~klbouman/pw/cv/cv.pdf
            >Andrew Chael
            >https://achael.github.io/
            >https://achael.github.io/assets/pdfs/achael_cv.pdf
            The CVs being identical is really a big deal.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Seriously? I've seen that CV format or some small variation on it literally a dozen times. Doesnt prove anything besides the fact that they both went to a career counseling center.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >She stole his CV formatting as well. Look up her CV and look up his CV. Oh, she also stole his website formatting too.

            Holy shit it's real.
            >Katie Bouman
            >http://users.cms.caltech.edu/~klbouman/
            >http://users.cms.caltech.edu/~klbouman/pw/cv/cv.pdf
            >Andrew Chael
            >https://achael.github.io/
            >https://achael.github.io/assets/pdfs/achael_cv.pdf
            The CVs being identical is really a big deal.

            Or maybe consider this, T HEIR WEBSITES LOOK SIMILAR BECAUSE THEY WORKED TOGETHER AND COLLABORATED.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You're missing the point. Who took the formatting from whom?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            it doesn't matter, they probably used the same template, or one probably said to the other
            >hey i like your cv format, can I borrow it.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It does matter. Have you ever collaborated with people? Did you ask them for their fricking CV template and for their website template? I sure as frick didn't. You know why? Because I'm independent. The degree to which you're simping for this b***h indicates you're either a beta-cuck incel or a woman. Either way, you're obviously arguing from an estrogen-addled brain.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            That was my first post in the thread. How is borrowing a template so important?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >borrowing a template
            So she gave it back to him?

            Seriously? I've seen that CV format or some small variation on it literally a dozen times. Doesnt prove anything besides the fact that they both went to a career counseling center.

            Show me literally one other instance of this CV being used. They're obviously using the SAME EXACT thing, not a variation.
            >they both went to a career counseling center.
            I bid. Find me literally one other person from their research group using this template.

            how do you know it wasn't him who copied the cv and website?

            Given how much more of the code he wrote in github, he's clearly more competent than she is at coding. Therefore it stands to reason that he's likely the originator of these codes.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. See my above posts.
            >1. They have the same template (indisputable)
            Corollary: One of them took it from the other (assuming they didn't find it simultaneously and independently, which is a zero probability event)
            >2. He's a better programmer than she is (indisputable)
            Check the github for the Event Horizon images
            >3. His webpage is more developed, whereas hers is more barebones (indisputable)
            Therefore, it stands to reason that the more skilled programmer came up with these templates which the less skilled one stole.

            QED.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Corollary: One of them took it from the other (assuming they didn't find it simultaneously and independently, which is a zero probability event)
            Flawed premise. Them finding a free template online is not a zero probability event, even if it is low.
            If they both used a free template and one recommended it to another, it's not accurate to say they took it from the other.

            >Check the github for the Event Horizon images
            >>3. His webpage is more developed, whereas hers is more barebones (indisputable)
            >Therefore, it stands to reason that the more skilled programmer came up with these templates which the less skilled one stole.

            Creating a template doesn't require any coding skill, and superior coding skill doesn't necessarily imply that someone created a quite simple template.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Given how much more of the code he wrote in github, he's clearly more competent than she is at coding. Therefore it stands to reason that he's likely the originator of these codes.
            Coding a website is much simpler than that.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >So she gave it back to him?
            'borrowing' in the digital world doesn't mean temporarily using and then returning a distinct item, it means using the same format without the format being used by a 2nd person affecting the 1st person in any way

            100% guaranteed she literally had him help her put together his CV, there is literally nothing wrong with this and anyone getting butthurt has never put together an academic CV and is just triggered by women

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >So she gave it back to him?
            Have you graduated high school yet? Do you know what borrowing means in this context or are you iliterate?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            how do you know it wasn't him who copied the cv and website?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            how do you know it wasn't a prefab template?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            you're welcome to prove me wrong and find where such alleged premade template originated

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Did he ever complain over stolen credit or ask for help?
      If he did he'd probably get fired

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >Did he ever complain over stolen credit or ask for help?
      how could he?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        What was stolen? And where?

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The fields do since they're run by humans and humans care about ethics. Fundamentally they don't ofc. You could be the biggest Ghenghisnazikhanladen in the universe and you could still count.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >No. Ethics are for homosexuals. Black person cattle deserve nothing.
    Nice ethic bro

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Develop algorithm to photograph black holes
    Some fricking code monkey tries to claim your work.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      this
      IQfy is being invaded by codemonkeys who think that writing code is the hardest thing in the world and are oblivious to the outside world

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I think it's the difference between academics and engineers. Academics live in an imaginary world where implementation doesn't matter. This was a real world project. There had to be changes to the algorithm for it to perform correctly. Instead of qualifying coding as mindless work, think of it as a tool to realize a result. If the paper was purely theoretical I could be convinced Andrew doesn't deserve credit, but it's not.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >No. Ethics are for homosexuals. Black person cattle deserve nothing

    I'm gonna eat u and frick ur wife

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Muh Ethics are fake, gay and Unscientific.

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They don't, but scientists should.
    We have the opposite situation.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    hmm interesting. so she was the lead author in the paper on CHIRP. ok i'll give her the benefit of the doubt, maybe she can take most of the credit for this algorithm. but do we really know how influential this algorithm was on the entire project? 1 million lines of code, how vital was her (and others) algorithm in accomplishing this task?

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    getting Elizabeth Holmes vibe from this girl

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I was at a presentation she gave about the work. Interesting work and I don't doubt she is clever and understands the work, likely even developed most of it.
      But she is super annoying. Her voice empties my bowels.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Mathematics has nothing to do with ethics, only if the equations work.
    Physics has one ethic: have you been honest about your experiment. And then someone tries to reproduce this experiment, to prove it.

    To get to the level of humanist ethics you have to get to the level of biology. And yes, that is a thing. We just had a "phase three" trial of a Covid vaccine over millions of people. Who consented... sort of. And most of us who took the vax didn't die... yet.

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I can accept that she's good at theory and not coding. I can't accept that she didn't credit guy for writing 1 million lines of her code. If she's leading the project, she's also responsible for that omission.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      What you just described is plagiarism - which is what people get their PhD's taken away for by the host university. XD

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        the university won't do that. WIth this much publicity they'd tarnish their reputation with the leftist agenda in academia.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      At no point did Katie Bowman take credit for the EHT images and always credited the team

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous
  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They should both just be credited equally. If it's true that most of the code he wrote was tedious UI work then fair enough, because any dev would know just how repetitive writing code for UI is, as it often involves a lot of copy-and-pasting. If she was the one who wrote the algorithm to turn the telescopic data into an image, then fair play to her, and technically the Reddit post about her isn't wrong. Not sure why people are white knighting for the guy, I'm sure he would have kicked up a fuss himself if he felt as though he wasn't being credited enough

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The sad part is she's obviously very competent, but chose to double down on her success for some reason. I don't see how this isn't blatant plagarim. The best argument from this thread is "writing code doesn't deserve credit", which is wrong.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It doesn’t deserve academic credit.
      >look, I have a paper in being a codemonkey

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Chael did get credit, but he doesn't deserve more credit than the hundreds of supporting people who did something similar, such as processing astronomical data or something. Katy was one of the most important researchers on the other hand.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >hundreds of supporting people
        there's 26
        >processing astronomical data or something
        if you look on the dev branch, he commits code for the core functionality of the project. The output of his code is referenced throughout the paper.
        >Katy was one of the most important researchers on the other hand
        I'm convinced she's important, and could have done the majority of theory work, but she didn't acknowledge Andrew for his work in the paper. Claiming he merely contributed "discussions and feedback" is dishonest.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          You ever used expensive equipment? The stuff that gets written in the methodology part of a paper?
          The techs running those don’t even get credit for “discussions and feedback”.

          Fairly obvious why btw, she asked for some functionality from the tool he was building, he gave her feedback on the feasibility, etcetera etcetera.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah I've been involved in a few papers before, and there was back and forth between theory and implementation. There's no perfect world where she makes a model, and it works the first time. If they exposed their overleaf account or whatever we could get a better idea of how much people contributed to the paper, but given the series of changes in the git repo during 2019 it's obvious he was involved in developing the algorithm. Here, discussions and feedback is more liek "Andrew, why is this image skewed" "Oh Katie, I think you need to adjust your model for X, that's why, let me write 1 million more lines of code" "can I suck your dick for it agian?" "sure Katie! don't worry about my name on the paper!"

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          There were a lot more people who worked on astronomical observations, previous projects, and so forth

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Are you high? You sound like you're narrating a carl sagan short film

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, well:

            https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/class_action/case=78345926

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          You are confusing the algorithm paper which she was the lead on and the research group’s multiple publications

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >The sad part is she's obviously very competent, but chose to double down on her success for some reason.
      This. But it might not been her idea. Maybe her team wanted her to take most of the credit and she just accepted.

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone know where to find the paper in question, or have a link to it?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      https://arxiv.org/abs/1512.01413

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Let's be honest, guys. The algorithm takes into account light based around earth. It's probably an image of light pollution - you cannot take an image of a black hole. lol

    This whole situation is ridiculous. Just take away the PhD already.

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    my post got deleted, since when is IQfy being censored?

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine if the roles were reversed. She wrote a million lines of code and he did the theoretical work. How would the media respond?

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If your code for one picture contains 880 000 lines you are doing something wrong and/or are making things up.

    2000 lines>800 000 bloat

    and: does the 800 000 include the data? If yes, this doesn't mean anything

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Only 2 megabytes?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >writes a billion line of bloat
        >b-but it's only 2mb
        the absolute state of code monkeys
        Don't you have to go and code a webbrowser as a notepad?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          What are you talking about?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >he doesn't know that code monkeys nowadays are just straight up shoving an entire web browser for even simple programs creating massive bloat

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Not with 2 megabytes

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yes.

            A real programmer can do that in 2kB.
            https://github.com/radare/tiv/blob/master/stiv.c

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      She could have just as well written zero lines of code and the sentence "she developed the algorithm" would still be equally true, what's your point?

      Most of that was likely gui and other frontend stuff. This shit is always extremely convoluted in most of scientific software for some reason

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    All the bitter anons itt. as if they were personally snubbed
    lmao
    Sneed

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    women are simply not suitable for STEM.
    cry all you want they create more problems than they solve.
    women's brains are just wired for empathy and not autistic systematizing. simple. of course outliers exist. LMAO probability :D???

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >women's brains are just wired for empathy
      Lmao

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    https://aiaslives.wordpress.com/2019/04/14/katie-bouman-and-the-black-hole/

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    nop

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >I don't know how science works
    moron. Do you really think all thee professors praised for their achievements did the work on their own?

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The base algorithm was her PhD thesis you fricking plebs. Literally two seconds on Google.

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >cute girl will get more attention than ugly nerd
    STOP THE PRESSES!

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >cute
      her israelitenose is longer than m87's jet

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    ITT: Chud's mad.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      yep.
      she has a PhD in EE from MIT
      chudcels are failing their calc 1 classes from their deadend community colleges.

      she could do nothing and she'd still be far more impressive than pretty much everyone on this board.

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    nope

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Katie Bouman is a Computer Scientist
    Andrew Chael is a codemonkey

    Do not get the two confused.

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >no evidence she did ... anything
    >solid evidence he wrote the code
    hmm

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >no evidence she did ... anything
      >literally first author on the algorithm paper
      moron

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Did Katie Bouman take credit for all of Andrew Chael's work?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      when someone says you did something you didn't do, and you don't deny it, yeah.

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What a cuck

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >any priority higher than ethics
      Lmao he really is a israelite

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      what a cuck lmao

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        treating women like human beings instead of mindless frickholes literally makes you a cuck moron

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          yeah, I'm amazed at how IQfy seems to have the exact same userbase as /misc/ (morons).

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        unconditionally providing to a woman when she gives nothing back to you

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >unconditionally providing to a woman when she gives nothing back to you
          How is that the case here?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            she is taking all the attention already, and when people are congratulating him he answers pic related

            What a cuck

            . Because apparently he writes one million lines of code to give more attention to a b***h who doesn't even care about him.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            How is she taking all the attention? Do you think he isn't getting paid or credit? What's wrong with what he's saying there?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            How are they simping?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            She is smart enough to know that she is being patronizingly and condescendingly used to promote a cause that makes a big deal about nothing.

            Its like that black team that is off to climb Everest. Spread all over the news like it was revolutionary. It might have been- in 1952. But now all it is, is patronizing bullshit. Makes me puke.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Who is doing this?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            She’s not taking the attention though. She made a talk on the algorithm she made years before the EHT images came out and then she got some press from the MIT social accounts and some news media. All of the data published by the EHT project is cited and credited. You’re just assblasted because she happens to be a woman

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >an attention seeking israeliteess
    >a gay israelite codemonkey
    It's called controlled opposition. Pick your poison.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I choose the based israelite homosexual over a hole

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    LOC is not a valid metric. Quality > Quantity (Or in this case, the purpose of the code itself). This website proves itself stupid every time I look at it.

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Getting a picture of a black hole isn't an achievement. It's completely useless and does nothing to help the human race. The "people" who worked on it have made no worthwhile contributions to society. That we accept this type of behaviour is a sign of mental illness in our society.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      it's just popscience attention seeking

  35. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    This thread is genuinely pathetic. Have sex incels.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Just sex? Consent doesn't matter? Noted.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's an incomprehensibly weird take to say "if you aren't able to get laid, you turn into an evil person."

  36. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    If. as an assistant i do all the work carrying out an experiment, i dont expect the plaudits for implement the work and plans of the doctor that designed the experiment. but i do want credit.

  37. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Is it really so hard to understand that people don't want to look at some unattractive weak chinned beta male explaining science to them, they would much rather look at a moderately pleasing to look at yet attainable, 6/10 'girl next door' type, and that this leads to more interest in science, more funding for research and, ultimately, more progress?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      How does it lead to "more progress" if science is replaced with a beauty pageant? You expecting particle accelerators to be built out of thongs?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Science isn't a beauty pageant moron, pop sci already is one

        If you think it sucks that pop sci gives large amounts of public attention to 6/10 grad research assistants and black science man presenting lukewarm opinions to midwits instead of showing the autistic face of actual scientific research to the general public, you should not be in STEM, go be a business major or something

  38. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Scientists are modern day priests that exist to lie for the King. Maybe science was a good idea when Tesla and Einstein walked the earth, but today, it is a mixture of evil and incompetence. From gene therapy to mustard gas, science has become a satanic religion that ruthlessly propagandizes 'solutions' to problems that it solely created. It flip-flops constantly, hurting billions in the process. Then it demands trust and total subservience, which it receives, thanks to the short memories of its followers. Today's scientists cannot reproduce each other’s experiments, mostly due to incompetence, but cultural corruption too; every day in thousands of labs across the world the methods are quickly set aside for the moral high ground and social status. While the cultish followers think that the truth is paramount, it always plays third fiddle to flawed modern perceptions of morality and money. Money is the grease that allows the shit covered wheels of science to churn out garbage studies. Money creates clickbait, undeserved promotions, the foundations for corporate narratives, and above all, the means for subpar scientists to continue to breed subpar science. From the health benefits of thalidomide to cigarettes, from making and testing viruses to gene therapy, from cloning to testing chemicals on living mammals, from lead in fuel to sugar being healthier than fat, from WMDs in Iraq to feathered dinosaurs, the list goes on and on. The bottom line is, there isn't a lie you've been told, by government or corporation, that hasn't been built on corrupted science. Asbestos, clamping, circumcising, vaccinating, drug induced narcolepsy, birth defects, early onset cancer, you name it, science has done it to people just like you. And they will do it again, God knows which one of the manmade horrors gleefully shilled by science, is hurting us right this second.

  39. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It shouldn't. The scientists should. But not must. But they should be watched by whole the world. Everybody should be watched by whole the world of people and ai. Everybody's karmas should be collected into dossiers for everybody to check and comment and rate and even edit in such a way that old records are preserved like wikipedia's history, but kept on several independent servers so it would be more difficult to fake it.

  40. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    So who is failing to give him credit?

  41. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Ok so he's the guy doing the grunt work while Dr. Bouman designed all the experiments and models?

  42. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that if this was a man no one would have cared

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Bingo

  43. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder to people who don't actually work on team based projects professionally or academically that credit isn't given to those who do the "most" amount of work. Credit is given to those who lead the team effectely and interface with the customer/public.

    The guy Andrew Chael isn't the leader of the project thus he does not get the credit. However because he did most of code for the project he can put that in his resume and get himself a good six figure job or use this feats to personally lead his own team in the future.

    You might not like how the situation played out but this is normal.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I'm pretty sure the actual project credits him even if random Reddit posters dont

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