>give the life of every non-white person
but then martin would die..
Yeah he is part israeli.
https://i.imgur.com/4dmElBB.jpg
Do you still care, anon?
The show ending revealed that I won’t like the book ending. I’ll still keep up with it to see things through but the passion is gone.
>The show ending revealed that I won’t like the book ending.
The show writers have consulted with G R R Martin so that is the real ending. The show ending was so fricking horrible it was literally the worst ending imaginable. Ever since I do not really care about book or tv series.
Oh and I was such a huge fan of this series I have mugs t shirts etc... But frick it.
Just because they consulted with GRRM about the ending doesn't mean they put any thought in how they'd get there. It doesn't even mean they heeded all his points, which they clearly didn't, because there's no way they would've abandoned so many plot threads and chosen so many stupid resolutions otherwise. They couldn't lace Martin's bolo tie on their best days.
people will tell you that book 1 and season 1 are exactly the same, but they’re only 90% so, with the remaining 10% making the first book worth (this’ll be compounded later on when future books reference non-show book material)
also when martin dies in between the sixth and seventh book, the ending will be finished by victor milán
The the last two books will get published even in the very likely event that Martin will die before he finishes them, because nobody respects an author's wishes after he dies. The estate executors of C.G. Jung, Emily Dickinson, and Franz Kafka have published their private and unfinished works against their wishes because they are greedy for that sweet sweet israelite gold, and the same will happen for Martin's legacy.
> is it worth if the author doesnt even finish it?
No. GURM rests an enormous amount on the idea that it will all pay off and that the cryptic hints are worth caring about. If none of that pays off or the series is unfinished forever there’s no point dealing with this page count. Invest it in better books.
But he really doesn't and the books are not full of cryptic hints. There are hints toward major events like the Red Wedding and some events that are building in in Feast and Dance that are coming in Winds, but most of those books are full of small stories. Each chapter is basically self contained with it's own short story. A lot of the content is building on the history and lore. It has nothing to do with Cryptic Hints. It's the world building that people meme about. This lord, in this castle, with this history, and these quirks ect... They are comfy stories with atmosphere and if all you want is pay off then avoid the series.
Absolutely worth it even if you just treat ADwD as the finale and ignore whatever else happens to the book series. The books are genuinely great fiction, dont let other anons dissuade you from getting into them. The show shits the bed, but the books are great throughout
Yes, starting Fire and Blood recently proved to me that I still care about the setting and the way Gurm writes characters and dialogue, regardless of the shitshow the TV adaptation ended up being.
Fire & Blood was so good I ended up rereading the whole series after finishing it and I almost never reread books.
George is a master and I can't wait for Winds to blow all these smug superior b***hes out of the water.
Thank you anon, bought Fire and blood after reading this post and finished it already, what a read. Gurm really does have a writing talent that makes his stuff so readable.
You should start.
By the time you read the 5 books...
Two more weeks!
2 years ago
Anonymous
This is bullshit but I believe it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Preston Gaycum is such a homosexual. He literally just chose to translate “hundreds and hundreds” as 400.
“Hundreds and hundreds” could mean 200 too. Dumb fricking homosexual
2 years ago
Anonymous
I hate Preston. Anyone see his fan fiction chapters for Winds? It's so bad. None of the language or pros sounds Martin to me. It shows me that if anyone else tries to finish ASOIAF for real, I will never read it.
It's bad, but how else would you write fast dialogue between 3 or more characters?
2 years ago
Anonymous
"For one example, in American Psycho, the tags devolve into just surnames in a 4+ person conversation." McDermott.
It fits the tone, it's interesting, breaks up monotony. The problem is that Sanderson lacks creativity. Also, if you have characters with a strong enough voice, it's identifiable in just what they're saying or how they say it, so you can omit a tag or two.
train it, no. extremely no.
but to provide enough context? sure
it won't do plots or have any coherent plan
but it should easily be able to imitate the prose style.
Got bored of book 3. I have the set in my closet gathering spiders Waring with each other with cheesy intrigue that's a lshitty written ove letter of Machiavelli
>cruel vampire-like torturer addicted to leeches, yet still sophisticated and honorable in his own way
That's why asoiaf is so good, even a tertiary character like him is so interesting and richly written.
God flaying is so fricking creepy. Even the show leaves it to the imagination - Ramsey talks about how he flayed two parents in front of their son. Just imagine how long it would take to flat someone’s entire body and how long they’d live through it. It fricked me up watching just a little of it in the show.
>Muh Mannis
Lmao he's gonna kill his barren, diseased, cabbage eared, daughter for no great reward, die himself and then his kingsblood(From his relation to Robert and Targ ancestor) will resurrect the real Azor Ahai, metaphysically cucked
Seethe more, Bolton dog. King Stannis will liberate the North, unite the Seven Kingdoms, and win an overwhelming victory over the Others at the Wall.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cope, Stannis is 3 times the size of the Imp, and casts NO SHADOW, no men love him, no men follow him, his wife is barren, his daughter a leper, cuckold by a madman in motley, his King's Half-a-Hand is an illiterate lowborn and he courts a Ashaii demon worshiper and he is a kinslayer.
-This post comes anonymously from the Kingsguard
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cry more, Lannister scum. The usurper Tommen Waters is a bastard born of incest between the Kingslayer and the Queen of prostitutes. He is no more than a puppet of the treacherous Tyrells and the lowborn fanatics that are the Sparrows. When King Stannis retakes King's Landing he will hang the whole of the false Kingsguard and replace them with much more deserving true knights like the knight of the moths.
- This post by hand of an anonymous servant of R'hllor.
Nope. Last book lost a lot of focus already adding 2 more contending factions as i recall, no way a single book can end wrap it all up coherently and while GRRM is a talented writer he obviously lost his passion to finish it so the "for real for real" final book will be written after his death by Daniel Abraham anyway.
I've met Martin at a convention. There are some truths and lies about him going around, it's time to set things straight. He was eating some butter, I thought nothing of it, saw worse. Greeting him and patiently waited for the slider to go down the piper. Quite a scene to be honest. Sat down, made myself comfortable and forced it since I knew asking for permission would be a gate for the oompa to run away.
'Mr. Martin' said I 'would you be so kind as to show me any proof that somehow do you still wish for your work to be completed? I'll be off the next instance afterwards, I promise. Time is money and I know the Mickey D's operating hours aren't on our side at this moment.'
Obviously he wanted to curse at me but my potent chest pumped up by the 220 pushups i did prior to our conversation on the handicapped stall's bathroom floor averted his gaze of contempt.
The hot dogs present on his silver lined plate - gold used only for complete collections - were a worthy enemy and yet, in my madness I knew a win was possible. I thus slowly offered the sensation of readjusting my Adonis type body in that mortal ottoman cushion and yet my machinations came into fruition as I used my muscly tights, pumped as well in the friendly handicapped stall, to slightly quake the cheap chinese plastic table holding the enemies alive. The hot dog slowly rolled into a squirt of what I presumed to be quite a peculiar type of orange field mustard.
Inevitably, such an offense surely wouldn't go unpunished, for few of these lesser oompas understand life's tangled coalescent paths of though of my heavenly physique.
'I am impressed...somehow' said Mr. Martin. Sir, I can and will truthfully tell you -' 'I knew I had won and in the final instance, pumped up and ready to FRICK, I heard him utter" - 'that regarding my final book in the series, you and everybody walk the dinosaur'.
After the TV series ended I almost completely stopped caring. GRRM kind of sort saying he would do a better ending brought me back a little but after he spent the entire covid lockdown not writing the fricking books I just gave up. There's plenty of good series out there that are actually finished I haven't read yet.
"Words are wind nuncle," the boy belched as he wiped capon-grease on the front of his black leather jerkin, "and that mummer's farce is as worthless and nipples on a breastplate."
I bought the whole series about 4 years ago, starting reading The first book in my army bunk when theres nothing to do, 4 years later i completed only chapter 4 of the whole book, I think i can manage to read the whole series in about 20 years, so when the 6th book comes out... It will be right on time.
Quality dropped towards the end (euron's election, Jon betraying his own character) and he won't finish the white walkers in a satisfying manner.
So obviously yes, but I am content without it ending.
what the frick are you talking about anon, I've been waiting for asoiaf for more than a fricking decade, I started reading them before they even started filming the shit show.
Its more than reasonable to assume its not at the forefront of peoples minds anymore
the only thing i find remotely interesting about this series is the fact that Martin was trying to portray Rhllor the Lord of Light as "the good guy" and the Night King as the "bad guy" >sacrifice your children to the bonfire, it pleases Rhllor!
Meanwhile the Night King just gives people blue eyes, and eternal life.
oh really? it's been a long time since i read those books (i think i stopped at 5 or 6?) Forgot a lot of the details in the books that made it completely different from the show.
That'll be funny if the book totally leaves out Night King entirely and the show basically becomes something completely different from the book that just "happens" to have the same names for all the people.
>at least not so far
does that mean you suspect he'll include the Night King?
In the lore, there was a historical 'Night's King's who abandoned the Night's Watch and married a White Walker
2 years ago
Anonymous
true, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the shows Night King
the book version is a mythological human figure who is either just worldbuilding backdrop or a clue for oldtimey human sacrifices to the Others.
the show's Night King is a disgustingly contrived plot device to kill off the Others easily (kill the mothership and all the army dies)
probably because GRRM couldn't tell D&D how it was gonna happen
or (more likely imo) because the Others aren't meant to be defeated in the traditional good vs evil fantasy trope, which was way more subtle than D&D had the time, patience or intelligence to integrate into the show.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>which was way more subtle than D&D had the time, patience or intelligence to integrate into the show.
D&D hate at this point is embarrassing and unwarranted. The truth of the matter is that those two actually finished their work and therefore should be held in higher regard than GRRM by any standard.
2 years ago
Anonymous
D&D are war criminals and talentless scum
they deserve nothing more than medieval torture, vivisection for the purpose of involuntary organ donation, and for their dead bodies to be dumped in a Chicago sewers so their remains can be bathed in Black person shit for all eternity.
and also to never work again.
More likley that GRRM himself doesn't know how the others are going to be defeated, or even their endgoal.
if you read (or listen to descriptions of) GRRMs other works, things start to fall in place.
mainly the fact that he is absolutely not writing your typical good vs evil fantasy
but there is more, eg. the parallel between the Children/Old Gods/the Grishka, telepathic hive minds that he frequently writes about.
so if i had to wager a guess, i'd say the Other storyline is resolved with a peace pact
and that is how it was resolved last time they attacked
and bonus guess, the Wall was made by the Others, not humans.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>if you read (or listen to descriptions of) GRRMs other works, things start to fall in place.
What are you talking about? The ending to the books will be the same as the way GRRM told D&D to finish the show. It will be mediocre regardless of how long he takes to write it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>What are you talking about?
can you not read?
>The ending to the books will be the same as the way GRRM told D&D to finish the show
100% wrong.
im sure some plot points will be the same or at least similar
eg Dany dead, KL burned, Bran on the throne
but this homosexualry with the Night King is absolutely not happening in the books.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>but this homosexualry with the Night King is absolutely not happening in the books.
who cares? the others/white walkers were only a footnote in both versions of the story. The show's ending as endorsed by GRRM has condemned the entire work and his legacy to mediocrity, at least D&D had the vision to execute and see it through.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Erikson could definitely finish and not be too out of step with Martin's style. Whether he'd want to bother is another thing. I wouldn't, not that anyone's asking.
>D&D hate at this point is embarrassing and unwarranted.
Is a crayon drawing of a dog that's finished better than a half-finished Sistine Chapel?
ASOIAF was the first 3 books, with all the prophecies and such just character background & worldbuilding. Then grrm decided he was getting really popular and making a lot of money so he should keep going. He never had a plan beyond the Red Wedding. Then he gave up.
You still got the Red Wedding. Appreciate that.
There is nothing to appreciate from seasons 5-8, save 3-4 episodes at most, and that's more due to the directors than the showrunners.
>What are you talking about?
can you not read?
>The ending to the books will be the same as the way GRRM told D&D to finish the show
100% wrong.
im sure some plot points will be the same or at least similar
eg Dany dead, KL burned, Bran on the throne
but this homosexualry with the Night King is absolutely not happening in the books.
>this homosexualry with the Night King is absolutely not happening in the books.
Yes, because nothing's happening in the books, because they're never getting written.
2 years ago
Anonymous
More likley that GRRM himself doesn't know how the others are going to be defeated, or even their endgoal.
in the show, the Khaleesi girl makes an alliance with the Red Priests, just like Stannis did. In her case it makes more sense since she has fire breathing dragons and Rhllor is a fire deity (Lord of Light).
But Rhllor demands human sacrifice, Stannis sacrifice his own daughter to Rhllor. But remember, the Khaleesi is portrayed as the "good guy", and the Night King as the bad guy threatening all of humanity.
But the Night King gave people eternal life, anyone that "died" was reborn, and stopped fighting over stupid stuff (like for kings and queens that were just greedy children and caused massive suffering in their greedy squabbles, their "game of thrones"). The Night King would have ended all suffering once and for all, ended the "game of thrones" that was the cause of so much suffering. And he wasn't some demon like Rhllor that demanded human sacrifice, he was a human made "better" by the Children of the Forest (elves, basically)
He’s neutral in the show if anything for all the reasons you give.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>he's neutral
wrong.
Frequently throughout the show, the Night King is portrayed as "the ultimate evil". >you guys, we need to stop bickering among ourselves, stop fighting these ultimately meaningless wars over who gets to be King, and realize that there is something way worse, the Night King
the end of the show isn't even about who acquires the throne of Westeros, but rather the fight between Night King and the Khaleesi. The whole show leads up to that final moment.
He's not neutral, except in the manner that he's completely not interested in the absolutely PETTY politics of the would be kings and queens of the world, who are all just varying shades of bad. Some resort to slavery, some to serfdom, all are okay with rampant poverty so long as the ruling elite have a comfy life.
The Night King would have brought true equality, ended the unfair system of hierarchies, ended all wars, end all human sacrifice, end the "game of thrones".
2 years ago
Anonymous
that's why the Night King's army fought so fiercely, "like a ravening army of undead zombies", unlike any army on the planet. They believed in their cause, they knew they fought for something that was good and pure, that the Night King was a good and pure leader that wasn't fighting just to enrich himself or his family, or because "waaahhh!!! i deserve to be ruler because my grandfather was king, waaaah!"
2 years ago
Anonymous
it's more than likely the case that the "voice" that Varys heard when his testicles were cut off and thrown "into the Fire" was the voice of Rhllor.
So Varys got vengeance on the sorcerer that made him a eunuch, but then ends up serving the Khaleesi who is directly aiding the Red Priests in their mission against the Night King, thus aiding the Fire Demon that wanted his nuts in the first place.
about how he "sacrificed" his male children to the White Walkers? yep. Though in the tv series it's not a death sentence, but rather an eternal life sentence.
We'll have to see how the books turn out to really determine if the White Walkers are the bad guys.
nope. I refused to read them and I never will. I refuse to read anything that's selling point is "DUDE THERE ARE SO MANY CHARACTERS AND THEY ALL DIE LOL"
I stopped caring. I read the books because of the hype, but the quality seemed to peak at book two. I never watched the show beyond clips, and when it caught up to the books, my disappointment in GRRM was enough to burn up what little anticipation I had for the rest of the series.
The television show, by any reasonable standard, is far superior to these so-called "novels". Shouldn't we be discussing literature on this board by the way?
>christcucks >so terrified of eternal nothingness they need to convince themselves that there is a round 2, and everything is infinitely better about it than the previous life
“Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up, she was shitting brown water. The more she drank the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew.”
It's a flowery way to write a woman shitting from the bloody flux yes. It's just notorious because it left a shit taste in people's mouths leaving people with the cliffhanger
Just like Harry Potter this series was yet another instance of reading the first two chapters of an extremely popular normie lauded series finding it boring as frick and trashing the book soon afterwards.
Of all the sword fantasy shit that clogs the pipes of the fiction world why did this one in particular become so beloved?
I mean, at least Harry Potter had a mildly more unique setting.. Was it really all thanks to the TV show?
ASOIAF is heavily inspired by history. I find most people like the intrigue and conversations. The gritty knights roaming the Riverlands showing the brutality of war. Tons of real world historical inspirations as well as classic fantasy and mythology inspirations. It really is peak. The pros are pretty decent. The dialogue is carefully antiquated with flavors that really capture setting well. I also like the low fantasy. When I first found GRRM I was immediately like "this is medieval Dune" and loved it since.
There's plenty of actually-bad SF & fantasy series out there that deserve this sort of hate. Pretty much anything that's been put out by WotC, for instance.
Art types are obsessed with middle names. They they it males them smarter or something. Sometimes it has to do with other published authors with similar name though.
Nope. I stopped caring about halfway through ADWD. I got it as soon as it dropped, and right about the time it was focusing on Tyrion on the other continent, I just stopped caring.
And from the spoilers I've been unable to avoid, it sounds like the series basically ends the way I could have predicted.
These books are nothing more than an excuse for George to write about his pedo fantasies. Anyone defending him by saying that it's just for muh realism, blatantly ignoring the fact that George went into excruciating detail in sex scenes involving people as young as 13, is a pedo too. Furthermore, he is an obese childless manchild with a second house reserved for arcade games at age 70+. Does he really have anything to offer intellectually?
I was into these books when I was a teenager, yet now I take no small pleasure in seeing Gurm become a complete failure. Martin's virtues as a storyteller will outlive him, but his books and incredibly dull world won't be seen as anything special fifty years from now.
Low-brow authors have a particularly nasty streak of making their stories maddeningly long when making one or three books would have been obviously better. It's impossible to overstate just how much more longeval Martin's prestige would have been if he just elected to write a normal trilogy. As it stands, he is a Bonaparte, or an Aurangzeb; a man of incredible talents turned into an utter failure by hubris and inflexibility.
Thus is the fate of those who don't understand Tolkien. The qualities of fantasy like magic, mystical creatures, and otherworldly locales are extremely important, and lacking in Martin's atheistic world, but they're all just window-dressing in the end. Martin's work sucks because of the vulgarity, the nihilism, the utter insistence on the "reality" of callous deeds being punished and virtue availing nothing; to say nothing of his disgusting insertion of fetishes and lengthy descriptions of food. Everyone was so impressed by Ned's death that no one had the foresight to see that it was already going downhill from there.
>All fantasy needs to follow Tolkien's formula >Writing fantasy with a tone like actual reality is bad >The most successful fantasy writer since Tolkien is a failure
Sure thing, bub.
That would require me getting through AFFC first. It’s not going well.
>Struggling in AFFC
It gets better in the last book, in its last half (the first half is an equivalent slog). Things start to pick up again, and then you're left in the lurch because all the threads that were coming together will ultimately go nowhere because Martin's one donut away from a fatal heart attack.
Quit at ASOS, wait for WoW to come out (ie, quit forever), see if it's any good, then invest the time in the wordcancer that is AFFC and most of ADWD.
>slog
no part of ASOIAF is a slog
people who claim so simply got filtered
which, to be fair, is kinda natural
it takes at least 3-4 read throughs to get everything
>inb4 bullshit
ok, who poisoned the locusts, and why?
no googling.
>locusts
Hizdahr, duh. He doesn't try much to deny it when Selmy comes for his ass. Probably worked with the Green Grace and Reznak mo Reznak on that one tho.
>and why
As Selmy himself pointed out - Daenerys is the one and only thing that keeps the shitshow that is Unsullied, Freedmen, Shavepates, Dothraki, Graces, her sellswords plus dragons loosely together. The moment she is surely, definitely gone for good, they'll all be at each other's throats, and Hizdahr can safely work to eliminate them as threats so that he can finally broker out a proper deal with Yunkai, New Ghis, Qarth and Volantis, and peacefully rule as the king of a slaver city of Mereen. Dragons are dead, chainbreakers are gone, slaves are silent, and every old power of Essos is pleased to heavens that the storm has passed - Hizdahr most of all, as the whole ordeal elevated him from being one of the most powerful oligarchs to an undisputed king. Dude knows that chaos is a ladder.
>the only true knight
but she has horrible judgment in choosing a lord or lady to serve.
Which translates to her serving psychopaths, which is a very unknightly thing to do.
Night King is the only true leader. (yes yes, i know, only in the show. In the books the Whitewalkers are the good guys, and who ever is controlling them is the good guy)
>but she has horrible judgment in choosing a lord or lady to serve.
So... true knight indeed? >Which translates to her serving psychopaths, which is a very unknightly thing to do.
It is entirely a knightly thing. Questioning your loyalties is the unknightly thing - serving to the end, no matter how shit flies, like Arthur Dane did, is how chivalry works. Which is most definitely not a good thing, all things considered.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Hizdahr, duh
nope.
read again 🙂
>As Selmy himself pointed out
Selmy is a great knight
but not much for politics (or whodunits)
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Selmy is a great knight
Read the post again. I didn't mention him regarding whodunits.
2 years ago
Anonymous
perhaps you need to read my post again
Selmy was wrong in believing that Hizdahr poisoned the locusts
hency my comment about him not being great in whodunits
2 years ago
Anonymous
Selmy AND Shavepate AND Missandei AND Grey Worm, then.
2 years ago
Anonymous
yup, they all got it wrong. well, except Shavepate.
Shavepate is the only political mind in the bunch, and he had it in for Hizdarh and the other nobles for a long time.
He almost certainly knows that Hizdahr is innocent, but is happy to implicate him anyway
2 years ago
Anonymous
If Hizdahr is innocent, how come he gave zero shits about someone poisoning HIS locusts, simultaneously making an attempt on his life and setting him up for a attempt on Danaerys?
Instead he blames Quentyn, which EVERYONE (including himself) knows to be 100% bullshit, and shrugs away a potential poisoner with access to his person at his court.
The point about him lying to Selmy while he secretly seeks out the poisoner himself is moronic - even if he doesn't trust Selmy, why would he RISK HIS OWN LIFE AT A SWORDPOINT for preserving the dreadful secret of... seeking out the assassin who tried to kill him?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>If Hizdahr is innocent
he is >how come he gave zero shits about someone poisoning HIS locusts
he likely gave a great many shits >simultaneously making an attempt on his life
not really.
note that belwas ate the whole bowl, and didnt even die. >setting him up for a attempt on Danaerys?
precisely. can't really go around making serious accusations when some1 is setting you up like that, not without knowing for sure what happened >he blames Quentyn, which EVERYONE (including himself) knows to be 100% bullshit
exactly. he can't make serious accusations because he doesn't know
so, frickit, it was quentyn, lol, who cares, nobody knows the kid.
lemme give you a clue fren
"belwas ate the whole bowl, and didnt even die."
and also
"Strong Belwas bellowed, “Locusts!” as he seized the bowl and began to crunch them by the handful."
these 2 clues solve the riddle, but it will require a re-read 🙂
and finally, in case you have any doubts that it wasn't Hizdahr:
“You ought to try a few yourself, my love. They are rolled in spice before the honey, so they are sweet and hot at once.”
hizdahr prompts dany to try them, in public, with selmy nearby.
the locusts that were part of the food that he provided
come on.
he isn't THAT moronic
2 years ago
Anonymous
>he likely gave a great many shits
Nope. >exactly. he can't make serious accusations because he doesn't know
...and he doesn't even try to find out. > lol, who cares
HE should care, if someone tried to poison him. The locusts didn't work, so tomorrow it could be his wine, or his breakfasts. But most fortunately, none of that ever happens. How convenient.
>note that belwas ate the whole bowl, and didnt even die.
Belwas is freakishly huge, has a digestive system of a bull, and he VOMITED MOST OF THE LOCUSTS UP after eating too much of them, so he only got a fraction of the eventual poison dose.
>hizdahr prompts dany to try them, in public, with selmy nearby
If she got ill some time later after eating locusts, Hizdahr would give her over to the Green Grace for healing (and away from everyone else), where she would tragically die from an upset tummy (hence using a slow-acting poison instead of something like the strangler), and Selmy would have no grounds for accusations - he can't prove that it wasn't a sickness. Belwas digging in and getting his stomach twisted right on the spot after eating only locusts and nothing else is an extremely lucky coincidence to point out that locusts were poisoned.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Nope.
how would you know?
we don't have his POV
Selmy doesn't show him actively looking into it
but then Selmy doesn't have his trust
>...and he doesn't even try to find out.
see above. he likely has tried to find out
>HE should care, if someone tried to poison him. The locusts didn't work, so tomorrow it could be his wine, or his breakfasts. But most fortunately, none of that ever happens. How convenient.
the "who cares" was meant for Quentyn, as an explanation of why he accused him
he can't accuse an actual player without evidence, so he goes for the powerless Westerosi brat.
>Belwas is freakishly huge, has a digestive system of a bull, and he VOMITED MOST OF THE LOCUSTS UP after eating too much of them, so he only got a fraction of the eventual poison dose
you're missing the point
yea, he vomited most of the locusts up, but he ate all of them, and still survived
remember, this is the royal box in a public event. the "bowl" is probably fricking huge, we're not talking about the mereen equivalent of a small bag of chips.
and after eating the whole fricking thing, belwas survives.
so what would happen if dany ate a couple?
probably nothing, right?
sure, shes smaller than belwas, but she certainly wouldn't be eating the whole bowl
so, maybe a bit of indigestion/tummy ache/diarrhea?
certainely not fricking death
>Hizdahr would give her over to the Green Grace for healing (and away from everyone else)
hizdahr has no authority over dany
remember, his kingship derives from her
and dispensing with the politics, its danys forces that control mereen
if dany is sick, Selmy and her crew would deal with it, not Hizdahr
1/2
2 years ago
Anonymous
2/2
so lemme present the alternative
we know of a single undeniable fact about this situation:
the poison (if it even was poison, and not just mereenese laxative or something) in the locusts was very, very weak
so weak that even eating an unreasonably large amount was not lethal
granted, belwas is huge, and strong, but he ate the whole thing and still didn't die.
this to me proves:
-Dany was not the target.
-Hizdahr was not the target.
-both of them were not the target (as in, whoever poisoned the locusts was trying to get both of them at the same time)
neither of them could have reasonably be expected to eat a shitload of locusts
and eating less than that would not have been lethal
moreover, if Dany specifically was the target, why poison the locusts?
she's not mereenese, she doesn't eat that crap (indeed, she doesn't, even after a recommendation)
why not the figs and the dates?
but most importantly, if dany, a slight, thin, little girl was the target, why in the everloving frick use something that requires eating a shitload of the poisoned item to kill?
ok, so, if Dany wasn't the target, who was?
well, there are 2 theories:
1) the Shavepate poisoned the locusts.
He didn't want to kill anyone, hence the weak ass poison
He merely wanted to foment dissent between the Dany faction and Hizdahr/the nobles/the Harpy faction.
He had the motive, since the peace, the marriage and losing control of the brazen beasts, he was losing power
So, he pulled a Littlefinger move.
2) The House of Pahl poisoned the locusts. >Wait, what? Who?WTF?
remember the champion fight outside the gates of mereen, before Dany conquered the city?
It was Belwas vs a mereenese chamion. and the mereenese champion was from the house of pahl.
and belwas killed and humiliated that guy.
belwas who fricking loves locusts, a fact that could have been widely known
so, house of pahl poisons the locusts, but with a weak poison
if dany or hizdahr eat some, no biggie, they might get a tummy ache
but belwas, lover or locusts, will eat a shitload and die
or, at least that was the plan, belwas managed to pull through
personally, i favor the second theory.
the Shavepate would've been smarter with food selection, he would've gone with something dany likes but hizdahr doesn't
2 years ago
Anonymous
I think it's dumb because the book obviously hints that Hizdahr tried to poison Dany. The problem with readers of this series, is they look too hard for hidden meaning where there is none. George isn't that complex of a story teller. Nobody cares about HIzdahr. He's not some complex character. There is no PhD to be had studying hints in these books. It's not complex. It's not hard.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>brutally filtered
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, it's not filtered because I don't overanalyze the books. There's a difference between seeing what the author is doing and stupid fan theories that nobody would pay attention to if there wasn't such large gaps between these books.
2 years ago
Anonymous
the author has written several mysteries into the books
-who poisoned Jon Arryn?
-who sent the catspaw to kill Bran?
-who poisoned Joffrey?
and in none of those were the obvious/first choice culprits the actual culprits
why are you assuming he would suddenly dumb it down 100x for the poisoned locusts?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I want to see Davos on Skagos looking for Rickon
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hizdahr is not innocent. He even tried to get her to eat the locusts and screamed for the men to kill Drogon in the fighting pits.
2 years ago
Anonymous
perhaps you need to read my post again
Selmy was wrong in believing that Hizdahr poisoned the locusts
hency my comment about him not being great in whodunits
SELMY poisoned the locusts
2 years ago
Anonymous
But why ruin perfectly good locusts? White beard cannot cook for shit but poison is just on purpose.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>questioning your loyalties
after swearing an oath, sure, it's wrong to question your loyalties. But before swearing an oath, it's absolutely a good thing to question who you'll be swearing to.
You think GRRM is talented but think his world is dull? It’s so alive for me, with prophecies and conspiracies weaving everything, with so much mystery and tales, so many characters with real human personalities.
It’s for this reason that he’s such a fricking abysmal failure, that he will leave not one, but two books unfinished.
what if he just wrapped everything up in one book, sloppily but at least got it over and some closure.
maybe he's just sick of GoT at this point. Maybe i spend hours and hours arguing with my fans about how the books should or shouldn't be, and at this point i'm just sick of it entirely. I don't want to finish the books anymore.
I mean he.
I never got the Tudor comparison. The Starks are...Scotland? Northumbria? Were either pagan in the 16th century? The South of England is desert populated by Spaniards? The Lannisters and Starks aren’t even particularly related either so it’s not like the wars of the Roses outside of vague aesthetic similarities.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's fantasy Bongland with serial numbers shaved off. It's less creative than some other fantasy worlds authors have made, although that pretension to historical realism might explain the appeal. Never saw ASOIAF's world building as a real strong point of the series compared to the characters, anyway.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>pretension to historical realism might explain the appeal
the appeal is primarily the (almost) Tolkien-tier worldbuilding and the very decent plot, combined with adult-level morality.
at some point "Elves/Numenorians good, Morgoth/Sauron bad" becomes a bit simplistic, despite all the other excellent qualities of Tolkiens work.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the (almost) Tolkien-tier worldbuilding
>Seven Kingdoms and their vassals have had the same ruling houses for tens of thousands of years >Everyone on the continent speaks the same language despite Westeros being the size of North America >Not Mongols use human wave tactics and conquer half the world
Etc.
2 years ago
Anonymous
None of these things are true. House Baratheon's only a few hundred years old, and they never ruled as kings before Robert's Rebellion. The Tullys never ruled as kings either, nor did the Martells. The Iron Islands hadn't seen sustained periods as an independent kingdom -- it was unified with the Riverlands -- since around the Andal Invasion, which happened thousands of years before the main story, and many houses other than the Greyjoys produced Greyiron Kings.
The only houses this applies to are the Lannisters and the Starks, but the history of both was hardly static before the conquest.
2 years ago
Anonymous
And yeah, it's improbable that there'd be two dynasties from anywhere that'd descend back so long tbey were founded by mythological figures, but this has happened in real life on numerous occasions. The Yamato and Solomonic Dynasties both descend from mythological figures. One's still in power, and the other only lost their power because of the fricking Commies, and all fricking Commies should fricking hang anyway.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>only a couple hundred years
So the same length of a historically successful dynasty and the length of empires?
Sense of time is stupid in this series. I don't care how long your winters are... if you have a decade long summer you are getting shit done.
2 years ago
Anonymous
House Baratheon's only been AROUND a couple hundred years, and has only held the throne for two generations.
Plenty of dynasties that've fallen from kingship are still around. There's still princes of the Hohenzollern, Pahlavi, Yi, and Habsburg houses, and they don't rule over monarchies anymore. There's even princes of the Romanov house still around, and they literally faced a campaign of genocidal extermination by the most bloodthirsty covernment in world history.
Yeah, it's imptobable. But it's not impossible a house'd descend from mythological times to the present, and even consistently hold a monarchy for hundreds, or even thousands of years.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Scratch that. More like ONE generation., and two of their three kings aren't even actual Baratheons, and the rightful heir's currently stuck on the other side of the realm.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well yes the Capachians come to mind and I get what you're saying but every house is as old as the famous exceptions was my point.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ok I exaggerated but countless major and minor houses have been around for thousands of years which is pretty stupid.
He's good at making characters and stories involving intrigue, but that's his only trick. The world only has 300 years of actual history and nothing in it is particularly exciting or charming. Fantasy should be about pushing your imagination to its limits, not creating an insipid world with a small amount of magic tacked on so you can pretend it's fantasy.
>fantasy should >second most popular fantasy series of all time didn't
Not every fantasy series has to be fantasycore. Do you get upset that the Expanse series didn't have warp drives and transporters too?
You can do a half in, half out genre book, it's okay. Inter-dimensional unicorns and convoluted 50-layer magic systems aren't always necessary if the writer is gifted.
grrm, for all his many faults, is a gifted writer. Having actual talent means gatekeeping doesn't apply.
Keep your rules for the hacks.
>story bad because the tone is too realistic and therefore doesn't have Muh Transcendental Godly Virtue™
I've seen this exact same half-witted criticism everytime ASoIaF is mentioned. Do you people unironically think that every story ought to have some overarching moral message?
Yeah the next book is coming out any time now. Should be later this year. If not this year, then the next year, and if not that year, then 2017. I'm not worried.
I care as in I still regard this as one of the best stories ever written.
I’ve nearly entirely accepted though that George is a complete failure and a loser, who would rather ruin his legacy by leaving his opus incomplete than to have a modicum of discipline.
He’s a lazy hack who should admit that he will never finish the books instead of leading everyone on, for that, I cannot respect, and it makes me unable to see pass his homosexual politics either.
ASOIAF will be the greatest what if, a beautiful universe and story that will be unfinished. I suppose with Berserk being that too now, maybe you have to learn to just appreciate what you have.
The thing GRRM has ruined the most is his legacy as a man. He will be known for his laziness, his lack of work ethic, and lack of honesty about himself. It’s sad.
I tried to read them but fantasy sex is just moronic. Reading about nipples cumming balls farting in my ass cunmmiung in hbreasts rubbbing weiners togetger sshitting on each othes asses and cumming on wieners is just not good reading to me.
I'm at the fourth book, in the 300s. So far so good. I like that the fourth book is almost only new POVs. Samwell chapters are pretty basic but still fun to read. Cercei chapters feel like reading a schizo mind and Jaime make you feel the doubt he has.
I'll have a fun time reading a Dance with Dragons.
>the only true knight
but she has horrible judgment in choosing a lord or lady to serve.
Which translates to her serving psychopaths, which is a very unknightly thing to do.
Night King is the only true leader. (yes yes, i know, only in the show. In the books the Whitewalkers are the good guys, and who ever is controlling them is the good guy)
>Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew, and her thirst sent her crawling to the stream to suck up more water.
>So many Stannisaboos ITT
Victarion Greyjoy is the thinking man’s contender. If he had showed just a little more statesmanship and accepted Asha’s offer to rule together he would have been unstoppable.
He already has the favor of both the Lord of Light and the Drowned God. Once he takes Dany as a bride it’s pretty much over. She has a thing for big dumb killers anyway.
okay so we have:
Dany- Liberals choice. White, but rules over the non-whites.
Greyjoy- "the thinking man's contender".
Stannis- for people that aren't liberal but still believe in following all the "rules".
White Walkers/Night King- for people that want absolute justice and to return the land to the rightful owners, the Children of the Forest.
Cersei- I'm not sure if she fits the girl power motif, Dany already has that spot filled. What attracts people to team Cersei?
No love for Bran? I know the show butchered his coronation, but it makes perfect sense to have an omniscient king, traitors and schemers would have a hard time plotting against him when he can spy on everyone from a distance. Plus he could keep an eye on the Wall at all times and come up with a plan to defend the realm months before the enemy attacks.
oh yea, Bran, add him to the list. So is he sorta the midpoint between all the others? Or is he in a completely different category?
the mystic's choice?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah mystic, alongside Euron.
Also frick the suggestion that the Others should be kings to give the land back to the COF, this is hippie thought.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>this is a hippie thought
but it's still a thought, nonetheless, and will therefore stay. The White Walkers (who whoever is controlling them) have entered the "game of thrones" as contenders, albeit non-human contenders.
and none of the Greyjoys i would classify as "mystic". They're literally Vikings, pirates. But hardly mystics, even when they're religious. That's like calling Cersei a mystic because she visiting a fortune-teller once.
Bran is a mystic, definitely. He has repeated visions, he speaks with the Green Seer and the Children of the Forest.
i also disagree with the person that said "Greyjoy is the thinking man's choice". In terms of rationality, i'd say Cersei fits that category the best, or maybe Littlefinger. They are both people that don't have a shred of spirituality in them, merely concerned with power, wealth, and acquiring more. They'll cite 7 kingdom law, but they'll break it when it's convenient (e.g. when Cersei flouted law by having incest with her brother, but then cited law when she claimed Joffrey had the greatest claim to the throne). No honor, no mystic insights, just pure mundane rationality.
The Greyjoys have a tradition of reaving, perhaps based on an older religious culture, but it's on a very different scale than Bran's brand of spirituality.
Khaleesi thinks having dragons makes her somehow better qualified to be the ruler of the world, when in reality she's just a stronger version of the Greyjoys, relying on brute force (air power, vs sea power) to validate her claim.
Stannis has an outdated honor system, he's like the Nick Fuentes candidate, the Trump candidate. Desperately trying to cling to the old ways (even though they're not even that old) against the onslaught of rationalism and will-to-power ambition of Cersei, Littlefinger and their type.
White Walkers/Others are a complete rejection of the human method, the idea that there needs to be rulers or gov't's at all, that there needs to be any hierarchies at all. A return to Nature. It may sound "hippy", but it's still a valid option, especially given that *all* the hierarchies of humans are complete garbage, and only benefit those at the top of the pyramid.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>i also disagree with the person that said "Greyjoy is the thinking man's choice". In terms of rationality, i'd say Cersei fits that category the best, or maybe Littlefinger. They are both people that don't have a shred of spirituality in them, merely concerned with power, wealth, and acquiring more. They'll cite 7 kingdom law, but they'll break it when it's convenient
I will admit I was kind of shitposting with the “thinking man’s choice” line but him and Asha would have been a much better choice to lead the Ironborn over Euron.
Littlefinger himself would never be king but but I could see him becoming hand of the Queen by convincing Sansa to take Winterfell and then marching south to get revenge for her family.
And that’s a big if, Sansa might just want to stay in the north.
2 years ago
Anonymous
why are you speculating about what's going to happen in the novels. We know almost exactly how the rest of the story goes down.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well there’s more he can flesh out in the books rather than 7 episode seasons, I’m the Victarion guy and he wasn’t even in the show.
Also it’s been over a decade since the last book, there is nothing else to do beside speculate.
Yeah, it’s a good series.
Based enjoyer
Me too anon, I hope the next book is coming soon
No. It was fun, but I no longer care.
I never cared about these in the first place.
The show ending revealed that I won’t like the book ending. I’ll still keep up with it to see things through but the passion is gone.
/thread
This is how it is with most.
I doubt you ever read any of the books to start with. Book readers know that they are too different to judge the ending.
cope
bran will be king and arya will kill the night king
THERE IS NOT EVEN A NIGHT KING IN THE BOOKS moron. Keep giving it away that you have not read the books.
shit homie I read them in high school like a decade ago
the show is cannon, cope harder
No you did not, >homie
>treating a book series about dragons as some elitist high culture
lmao
yes...
i'd gladly give the life of every non-white person in order to get the completed ASOIAF series
>give the life of every non-white person
but then martin would die..
Same
I'd gladly give the life of every non-white person
Oh, the book series? I guess it would be nice to get a conclusion to that as well.
Yeah he is part israeli.
>The show ending revealed that I won’t like the book ending.
The show writers have consulted with G R R Martin so that is the real ending. The show ending was so fricking horrible it was literally the worst ending imaginable. Ever since I do not really care about book or tv series.
Oh and I was such a huge fan of this series I have mugs t shirts etc... But frick it.
I do not even care about the new hbo series frick them.
Just because they consulted with GRRM about the ending doesn't mean they put any thought in how they'd get there. It doesn't even mean they heeded all his points, which they clearly didn't, because there's no way they would've abandoned so many plot threads and chosen so many stupid resolutions otherwise. They couldn't lace Martin's bolo tie on their best days.
this. the opposite race though
Martin is white though, so you'd still never get the completed series.
stop being racist against whites
should i even read this shit, i have the first book burning a hole in my bookshelf
is it worth if the author doesnt even finish it?
people will tell you that book 1 and season 1 are exactly the same, but they’re only 90% so, with the remaining 10% making the first book worth (this’ll be compounded later on when future books reference non-show book material)
also when martin dies in between the sixth and seventh book, the ending will be finished by victor milán
Uhh, who should tell him?
The the last two books will get published even in the very likely event that Martin will die before he finishes them, because nobody respects an author's wishes after he dies. The estate executors of C.G. Jung, Emily Dickinson, and Franz Kafka have published their private and unfinished works against their wishes because they are greedy for that sweet sweet israelite gold, and the same will happen for Martin's legacy.
>blackmanrubbinghandsinanticipation.epub
>the sixth book
>coming out
> is it worth if the author doesnt even finish it?
No. GURM rests an enormous amount on the idea that it will all pay off and that the cryptic hints are worth caring about. If none of that pays off or the series is unfinished forever there’s no point dealing with this page count. Invest it in better books.
But he really doesn't and the books are not full of cryptic hints. There are hints toward major events like the Red Wedding and some events that are building in in Feast and Dance that are coming in Winds, but most of those books are full of small stories. Each chapter is basically self contained with it's own short story. A lot of the content is building on the history and lore. It has nothing to do with Cryptic Hints. It's the world building that people meme about. This lord, in this castle, with this history, and these quirks ect... They are comfy stories with atmosphere and if all you want is pay off then avoid the series.
Dance is an entire book of build up with no payoff
Absolutely worth it even if you just treat ADwD as the finale and ignore whatever else happens to the book series. The books are genuinely great fiction, dont let other anons dissuade you from getting into them. The show shits the bed, but the books are great throughout
Now that I think about it, ADWD is a pretty based ending
Never did. I'm mildly amused by the misery of fans, both the show's ending and the lack of a final book.
Yes, starting Fire and Blood recently proved to me that I still care about the setting and the way Gurm writes characters and dialogue, regardless of the shitshow the TV adaptation ended up being.
Fire & Blood was so good I ended up rereading the whole series after finishing it and I almost never reread books.
George is a master and I can't wait for Winds to blow all these smug superior b***hes out of the water.
Is it that good?
Yes.
Thank you anon, bought Fire and blood after reading this post and finished it already, what a read. Gurm really does have a writing talent that makes his stuff so readable.
I have promised myself that I will not start reading any of these books until the series is finished.
So never?
Most probably, but I don't care then.
You should start.
By the time you read the 5 books...
That was what I told myself back in 2014
Came here to say this. My friend tried to use the same line on me in 2014.
Two more weeks!
This is bullshit but I believe it.
Preston Gaycum is such a homosexual. He literally just chose to translate “hundreds and hundreds” as 400.
“Hundreds and hundreds” could mean 200 too. Dumb fricking homosexual
I hate Preston. Anyone see his fan fiction chapters for Winds? It's so bad. None of the language or pros sounds Martin to me. It shows me that if anyone else tries to finish ASOIAF for real, I will never read it.
>if he tries to finish asoiaf for real
homie what
I remember this was my logic 6 years ago kek
Pathetically, yes I do.
Hypothetically, grrm just gives up. Which author would you like to see pick up and finish the remaining books?
Bronze Age Pervert
Sanderson
Terrible choice. Their writing styles are completely different.
Holy frick that is bad -he said
It's bad, but how else would you write fast dialogue between 3 or more characters?
"For one example, in American Psycho, the tags devolve into just surnames in a 4+ person conversation." McDermott.
It fits the tone, it's interesting, breaks up monotony. The problem is that Sanderson lacks creativity. Also, if you have characters with a strong enough voice, it's identifiable in just what they're saying or how they say it, so you can omit a tag or two.
He's already said he ain't doing it even if he's asked to.
Abercrombie
The first law is probably the fantasy series I have most enjoyed reading but I don't think he would be a good fit.
Not even Tolkien could replace him
gardner
>Hypothetically, grrm just gives up. Which author would you like to see pick up and finish the remaining books?
GPT-4
Interesting. I wonder if 5 books are sufficient to train GPT4 to imitate grrm's writing, but this may be the best bet.
train it, no. extremely no.
but to provide enough context? sure
it won't do plots or have any coherent plan
but it should easily be able to imitate the prose style.
Martin wrote more than just ASOIAF.
and nobody cares about his other books.
That's their loss. His other books are great, and they have, y'know, endings.
>and they have, y'know, endings.
It could imitate the style, but there would be no plot resolution. It could probably be done by repeated plot prompts and then editing them together
We do it, one word at a time
Bakker.
I've give up hope but if Winds of Winter does come out, then I'll definitely read it
I already tossed his novels out with the trash.
Of course. I do
N-No
If he ever releases anything, I'll read a summary to see what happens to Jaime and Stannis and that's about it.
Got bored of book 3. I have the set in my closet gathering spiders Waring with each other with cheesy intrigue that's a lshitty written ove letter of Machiavelli
Filtered
Yeah, it’s a great series.
No. I enjoy the books NOT coming out at this point. I don’t want GRRM to finish. The hype is dead.
Euron WILL WIN
kino, the kingsmoot was one of the best parts of FFC
WTF is his endgame?
Either:
Turning himself into a lovecraftean god due to getting mindbroke by the 3 eyed crow
Or
Killing Jamie Lanister
cucking bloodraven and literally becoming a god.
You misspelled Stannis
*Roose
>cruel vampire-like torturer addicted to leeches, yet still sophisticated and honorable in his own way
That's why asoiaf is so good, even a tertiary character like him is so interesting and richly written.
God flaying is so fricking creepy. Even the show leaves it to the imagination - Ramsey talks about how he flayed two parents in front of their son. Just imagine how long it would take to flat someone’s entire body and how long they’d live through it. It fricked me up watching just a little of it in the show.
You misspelled Stannis
You misspelled Stannis
>Muh Mannis
Lmao he's gonna kill his barren, diseased, cabbage eared, daughter for no great reward, die himself and then his kingsblood(From his relation to Robert and Targ ancestor) will resurrect the real Azor Ahai, metaphysically cucked
Seethe more, Bolton dog. King Stannis will liberate the North, unite the Seven Kingdoms, and win an overwhelming victory over the Others at the Wall.
Cope, Stannis is 3 times the size of the Imp, and casts NO SHADOW, no men love him, no men follow him, his wife is barren, his daughter a leper, cuckold by a madman in motley, his King's Half-a-Hand is an illiterate lowborn and he courts a Ashaii demon worshiper and he is a kinslayer.
-This post comes anonymously from the Kingsguard
Cry more, Lannister scum. The usurper Tommen Waters is a bastard born of incest between the Kingslayer and the Queen of prostitutes. He is no more than a puppet of the treacherous Tyrells and the lowborn fanatics that are the Sparrows. When King Stannis retakes King's Landing he will hang the whole of the false Kingsguard and replace them with much more deserving true knights like the knight of the moths.
- This post by hand of an anonymous servant of R'hllor.
No. Tywins arc is finished, rest is filler to me.
Nope. Last book lost a lot of focus already adding 2 more contending factions as i recall, no way a single book can end wrap it all up coherently and while GRRM is a talented writer he obviously lost his passion to finish it so the "for real for real" final book will be written after his death by Daniel Abraham anyway.
I've met Martin at a convention. There are some truths and lies about him going around, it's time to set things straight. He was eating some butter, I thought nothing of it, saw worse. Greeting him and patiently waited for the slider to go down the piper. Quite a scene to be honest. Sat down, made myself comfortable and forced it since I knew asking for permission would be a gate for the oompa to run away.
'Mr. Martin' said I 'would you be so kind as to show me any proof that somehow do you still wish for your work to be completed? I'll be off the next instance afterwards, I promise. Time is money and I know the Mickey D's operating hours aren't on our side at this moment.'
Obviously he wanted to curse at me but my potent chest pumped up by the 220 pushups i did prior to our conversation on the handicapped stall's bathroom floor averted his gaze of contempt.
The hot dogs present on his silver lined plate - gold used only for complete collections - were a worthy enemy and yet, in my madness I knew a win was possible. I thus slowly offered the sensation of readjusting my Adonis type body in that mortal ottoman cushion and yet my machinations came into fruition as I used my muscly tights, pumped as well in the friendly handicapped stall, to slightly quake the cheap chinese plastic table holding the enemies alive. The hot dog slowly rolled into a squirt of what I presumed to be quite a peculiar type of orange field mustard.
Inevitably, such an offense surely wouldn't go unpunished, for few of these lesser oompas understand life's tangled coalescent paths of though of my heavenly physique.
'I am impressed...somehow' said Mr. Martin. Sir, I can and will truthfully tell you -' 'I knew I had won and in the final instance, pumped up and ready to FRICK, I heard him utter" - 'that regarding my final book in the series, you and everybody walk the dinosaur'.
Yes
George needs to put the coffee down.
This would be a good webm -- having AB give a version of his 'pep talk' to GRRM
After the TV series ended I almost completely stopped caring. GRRM kind of sort saying he would do a better ending brought me back a little but after he spent the entire covid lockdown not writing the fricking books I just gave up. There's plenty of good series out there that are actually finished I haven't read yet.
"Words are wind nuncle," the boy belched as he wiped capon-grease on the front of his black leather jerkin, "and that mummer's farce is as worthless and nipples on a breastplate."
No
I bought the whole series about 4 years ago, starting reading The first book in my army bunk when theres nothing to do, 4 years later i completed only chapter 4 of the whole book, I think i can manage to read the whole series in about 20 years, so when the 6th book comes out... It will be right on time.
Quality dropped towards the end (euron's election, Jon betraying his own character) and he won't finish the white walkers in a satisfying manner.
So obviously yes, but I am content without it ending.
>Jon betraying his own character
he was clearly drunk, were you expecting for him to think "i am drunk" to realize?
Anybody who says they don't either hasn't read the books or is lying.
Anyone who didn't drop this gay shit a quarter into reading crows is a brainlet.
what the frick are you talking about anon, I've been waiting for asoiaf for more than a fricking decade, I started reading them before they even started filming the shit show.
Its more than reasonable to assume its not at the forefront of peoples minds anymore
the only thing i find remotely interesting about this series is the fact that Martin was trying to portray Rhllor the Lord of Light as "the good guy" and the Night King as the "bad guy"
>sacrifice your children to the bonfire, it pleases Rhllor!
Meanwhile the Night King just gives people blue eyes, and eternal life.
There is no Night King in the series, at least not so far, you fricking show-only brainlet.
oh really? it's been a long time since i read those books (i think i stopped at 5 or 6?) Forgot a lot of the details in the books that made it completely different from the show.
That'll be funny if the book totally leaves out Night King entirely and the show basically becomes something completely different from the book that just "happens" to have the same names for all the people.
>at least not so far
does that mean you suspect he'll include the Night King?
In the lore, there was a historical 'Night's King's who abandoned the Night's Watch and married a White Walker
true, but that has absolutely nothing to do with the shows Night King
the book version is a mythological human figure who is either just worldbuilding backdrop or a clue for oldtimey human sacrifices to the Others.
the show's Night King is a disgustingly contrived plot device to kill off the Others easily (kill the mothership and all the army dies)
probably because GRRM couldn't tell D&D how it was gonna happen
or (more likely imo) because the Others aren't meant to be defeated in the traditional good vs evil fantasy trope, which was way more subtle than D&D had the time, patience or intelligence to integrate into the show.
>which was way more subtle than D&D had the time, patience or intelligence to integrate into the show.
D&D hate at this point is embarrassing and unwarranted. The truth of the matter is that those two actually finished their work and therefore should be held in higher regard than GRRM by any standard.
D&D are war criminals and talentless scum
they deserve nothing more than medieval torture, vivisection for the purpose of involuntary organ donation, and for their dead bodies to be dumped in a Chicago sewers so their remains can be bathed in Black person shit for all eternity.
and also to never work again.
if you read (or listen to descriptions of) GRRMs other works, things start to fall in place.
mainly the fact that he is absolutely not writing your typical good vs evil fantasy
but there is more, eg. the parallel between the Children/Old Gods/the Grishka, telepathic hive minds that he frequently writes about.
so if i had to wager a guess, i'd say the Other storyline is resolved with a peace pact
and that is how it was resolved last time they attacked
and bonus guess, the Wall was made by the Others, not humans.
>if you read (or listen to descriptions of) GRRMs other works, things start to fall in place.
What are you talking about? The ending to the books will be the same as the way GRRM told D&D to finish the show. It will be mediocre regardless of how long he takes to write it.
>What are you talking about?
can you not read?
>The ending to the books will be the same as the way GRRM told D&D to finish the show
100% wrong.
im sure some plot points will be the same or at least similar
eg Dany dead, KL burned, Bran on the throne
but this homosexualry with the Night King is absolutely not happening in the books.
>but this homosexualry with the Night King is absolutely not happening in the books.
who cares? the others/white walkers were only a footnote in both versions of the story. The show's ending as endorsed by GRRM has condemned the entire work and his legacy to mediocrity, at least D&D had the vision to execute and see it through.
Erikson could definitely finish and not be too out of step with Martin's style. Whether he'd want to bother is another thing. I wouldn't, not that anyone's asking.
>D&D hate at this point is embarrassing and unwarranted.
Is a crayon drawing of a dog that's finished better than a half-finished Sistine Chapel?
ASOIAF was the first 3 books, with all the prophecies and such just character background & worldbuilding. Then grrm decided he was getting really popular and making a lot of money so he should keep going. He never had a plan beyond the Red Wedding. Then he gave up.
You still got the Red Wedding. Appreciate that.
There is nothing to appreciate from seasons 5-8, save 3-4 episodes at most, and that's more due to the directors than the showrunners.
>this homosexualry with the Night King is absolutely not happening in the books.
Yes, because nothing's happening in the books, because they're never getting written.
More likley that GRRM himself doesn't know how the others are going to be defeated, or even their endgoal.
>the fact that Martin was trying to portray Rhllor the Lord of Light as "the good guy"
homie what
in the show, apparently, but not the books.
in the show, the Khaleesi girl makes an alliance with the Red Priests, just like Stannis did. In her case it makes more sense since she has fire breathing dragons and Rhllor is a fire deity (Lord of Light).
But Rhllor demands human sacrifice, Stannis sacrifice his own daughter to Rhllor. But remember, the Khaleesi is portrayed as the "good guy", and the Night King as the bad guy threatening all of humanity.
But the Night King gave people eternal life, anyone that "died" was reborn, and stopped fighting over stupid stuff (like for kings and queens that were just greedy children and caused massive suffering in their greedy squabbles, their "game of thrones"). The Night King would have ended all suffering once and for all, ended the "game of thrones" that was the cause of so much suffering. And he wasn't some demon like Rhllor that demanded human sacrifice, he was a human made "better" by the Children of the Forest (elves, basically)
He’s neutral in the show if anything for all the reasons you give.
>he's neutral
wrong.
Frequently throughout the show, the Night King is portrayed as "the ultimate evil".
>you guys, we need to stop bickering among ourselves, stop fighting these ultimately meaningless wars over who gets to be King, and realize that there is something way worse, the Night King
the end of the show isn't even about who acquires the throne of Westeros, but rather the fight between Night King and the Khaleesi. The whole show leads up to that final moment.
He's not neutral, except in the manner that he's completely not interested in the absolutely PETTY politics of the would be kings and queens of the world, who are all just varying shades of bad. Some resort to slavery, some to serfdom, all are okay with rampant poverty so long as the ruling elite have a comfy life.
The Night King would have brought true equality, ended the unfair system of hierarchies, ended all wars, end all human sacrifice, end the "game of thrones".
that's why the Night King's army fought so fiercely, "like a ravening army of undead zombies", unlike any army on the planet. They believed in their cause, they knew they fought for something that was good and pure, that the Night King was a good and pure leader that wasn't fighting just to enrich himself or his family, or because "waaahhh!!! i deserve to be ruler because my grandfather was king, waaaah!"
it's more than likely the case that the "voice" that Varys heard when his testicles were cut off and thrown "into the Fire" was the voice of Rhllor.
So Varys got vengeance on the sorcerer that made him a eunuch, but then ends up serving the Khaleesi who is directly aiding the Red Priests in their mission against the Night King, thus aiding the Fire Demon that wanted his nuts in the first place.
You know about Craster right?
about how he "sacrificed" his male children to the White Walkers? yep. Though in the tv series it's not a death sentence, but rather an eternal life sentence.
We'll have to see how the books turn out to really determine if the White Walkers are the bad guys.
Sure, but I don't think about it obviously.
I just want to see Stannis take winterfell.
should i even read this shit, i have the first book burning a hole in my bookshelf
>not even up to season 5
Only insofar as nice leatherbound editions dropping to thrift store prices.
nope. I refused to read them and I never will. I refuse to read anything that's selling point is "DUDE THERE ARE SO MANY CHARACTERS AND THEY ALL DIE LOL"
Not a bible thumper either, then.
Enoch didn't die though
I stopped caring. I read the books because of the hype, but the quality seemed to peak at book two. I never watched the show beyond clips, and when it caught up to the books, my disappointment in GRRM was enough to burn up what little anticipation I had for the rest of the series.
Even though Dance with Dragons was fricking terrible I still want to see the ending
The television show, by any reasonable standard, is far superior to these so-called "novels". Shouldn't we be discussing literature on this board by the way?
Seriously, does he just not care about his legacy? Like he's aware of his old age and obesity, he can have a heart attack tomorrow
>atheists
>caring about what happens after they croak
Lol
You've never met an atheist, have you anon?
>christcucks
>so terrified of eternal nothingness they need to convince themselves that there is a round 2, and everything is infinitely better about it than the previous life
nope, now that I know the base outline of the plot
“Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up, she was shitting brown water. The more she drank the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew.”
Literally nothing wrong with that passage.
It's a flowery way to write a woman shitting from the bloody flux yes. It's just notorious because it left a shit taste in people's mouths leaving people with the cliffhanger
I stopped caring when the show started getting popular but I really enjoyed getting lost in the books will read if somehow he writes the next one
I'm more interested in whether or not he croaks before finishing than I am in how the books will get wrapped up.
I never did
Just like Harry Potter this series was yet another instance of reading the first two chapters of an extremely popular normie lauded series finding it boring as frick and trashing the book soon afterwards.
Of all the sword fantasy shit that clogs the pipes of the fiction world why did this one in particular become so beloved?
I mean, at least Harry Potter had a mildly more unique setting.. Was it really all thanks to the TV show?
ASOIAF is heavily inspired by history. I find most people like the intrigue and conversations. The gritty knights roaming the Riverlands showing the brutality of war. Tons of real world historical inspirations as well as classic fantasy and mythology inspirations. It really is peak. The pros are pretty decent. The dialogue is carefully antiquated with flavors that really capture setting well. I also like the low fantasy. When I first found GRRM I was immediately like "this is medieval Dune" and loved it since.
have a nice day, moron.
There's plenty of actually-bad SF & fantasy series out there that deserve this sort of hate. Pretty much anything that's been put out by WotC, for instance.
>Name initial initial last name
Boy, this homosexual really wanted to be compared to Tolkien didn't he?
Art types are obsessed with middle names. They they it males them smarter or something. Sometimes it has to do with other published authors with similar name though.
No. I do laugh at the people who get upset though.
Realistically, how long would it take to read the entire series?
198 hours and 30 minutes to listen to the audiobooks, so however fast you read you can use this as a reference.
That’s clever, I like it.
Nope. I stopped caring about halfway through ADWD. I got it as soon as it dropped, and right about the time it was focusing on Tyrion on the other continent, I just stopped caring.
And from the spoilers I've been unable to avoid, it sounds like the series basically ends the way I could have predicted.
Of course.
These books are nothing more than an excuse for George to write about his pedo fantasies. Anyone defending him by saying that it's just for muh realism, blatantly ignoring the fact that George went into excruciating detail in sex scenes involving people as young as 13, is a pedo too. Furthermore, he is an obese childless manchild with a second house reserved for arcade games at age 70+. Does he really have anything to offer intellectually?
>pedo fantasies
>sex scenes involving people as young as 13
You see, I've never actually cared so it is fact impossible for me to "still care":
I like Alice.
I was into these books when I was a teenager, yet now I take no small pleasure in seeing Gurm become a complete failure. Martin's virtues as a storyteller will outlive him, but his books and incredibly dull world won't be seen as anything special fifty years from now.
Low-brow authors have a particularly nasty streak of making their stories maddeningly long when making one or three books would have been obviously better. It's impossible to overstate just how much more longeval Martin's prestige would have been if he just elected to write a normal trilogy. As it stands, he is a Bonaparte, or an Aurangzeb; a man of incredible talents turned into an utter failure by hubris and inflexibility.
Thus is the fate of those who don't understand Tolkien. The qualities of fantasy like magic, mystical creatures, and otherworldly locales are extremely important, and lacking in Martin's atheistic world, but they're all just window-dressing in the end. Martin's work sucks because of the vulgarity, the nihilism, the utter insistence on the "reality" of callous deeds being punished and virtue availing nothing; to say nothing of his disgusting insertion of fetishes and lengthy descriptions of food. Everyone was so impressed by Ned's death that no one had the foresight to see that it was already going downhill from there.
>All fantasy needs to follow Tolkien's formula
>Writing fantasy with a tone like actual reality is bad
>The most successful fantasy writer since Tolkien is a failure
Sure thing, bub.
>Struggling in AFFC
It gets better in the last book, in its last half (the first half is an equivalent slog). Things start to pick up again, and then you're left in the lurch because all the threads that were coming together will ultimately go nowhere because Martin's one donut away from a fatal heart attack.
Quit at ASOS, wait for WoW to come out (ie, quit forever), see if it's any good, then invest the time in the wordcancer that is AFFC and most of ADWD.
>slog
no part of ASOIAF is a slog
people who claim so simply got filtered
which, to be fair, is kinda natural
it takes at least 3-4 read throughs to get everything
>inb4 bullshit
ok, who poisoned the locusts, and why?
no googling.
>locusts
Hizdahr, duh. He doesn't try much to deny it when Selmy comes for his ass. Probably worked with the Green Grace and Reznak mo Reznak on that one tho.
>and why
As Selmy himself pointed out - Daenerys is the one and only thing that keeps the shitshow that is Unsullied, Freedmen, Shavepates, Dothraki, Graces, her sellswords plus dragons loosely together. The moment she is surely, definitely gone for good, they'll all be at each other's throats, and Hizdahr can safely work to eliminate them as threats so that he can finally broker out a proper deal with Yunkai, New Ghis, Qarth and Volantis, and peacefully rule as the king of a slaver city of Mereen. Dragons are dead, chainbreakers are gone, slaves are silent, and every old power of Essos is pleased to heavens that the storm has passed - Hizdahr most of all, as the whole ordeal elevated him from being one of the most powerful oligarchs to an undisputed king. Dude knows that chaos is a ladder.
>but she has horrible judgment in choosing a lord or lady to serve.
So... true knight indeed?
>Which translates to her serving psychopaths, which is a very unknightly thing to do.
It is entirely a knightly thing. Questioning your loyalties is the unknightly thing - serving to the end, no matter how shit flies, like Arthur Dane did, is how chivalry works. Which is most definitely not a good thing, all things considered.
>Hizdahr, duh
nope.
read again 🙂
>As Selmy himself pointed out
Selmy is a great knight
but not much for politics (or whodunits)
>Selmy is a great knight
Read the post again. I didn't mention him regarding whodunits.
perhaps you need to read my post again
Selmy was wrong in believing that Hizdahr poisoned the locusts
hency my comment about him not being great in whodunits
Selmy AND Shavepate AND Missandei AND Grey Worm, then.
yup, they all got it wrong. well, except Shavepate.
Shavepate is the only political mind in the bunch, and he had it in for Hizdarh and the other nobles for a long time.
He almost certainly knows that Hizdahr is innocent, but is happy to implicate him anyway
If Hizdahr is innocent, how come he gave zero shits about someone poisoning HIS locusts, simultaneously making an attempt on his life and setting him up for a attempt on Danaerys?
Instead he blames Quentyn, which EVERYONE (including himself) knows to be 100% bullshit, and shrugs away a potential poisoner with access to his person at his court.
The point about him lying to Selmy while he secretly seeks out the poisoner himself is moronic - even if he doesn't trust Selmy, why would he RISK HIS OWN LIFE AT A SWORDPOINT for preserving the dreadful secret of... seeking out the assassin who tried to kill him?
>If Hizdahr is innocent
he is
>how come he gave zero shits about someone poisoning HIS locusts
he likely gave a great many shits
>simultaneously making an attempt on his life
not really.
note that belwas ate the whole bowl, and didnt even die.
>setting him up for a attempt on Danaerys?
precisely. can't really go around making serious accusations when some1 is setting you up like that, not without knowing for sure what happened
>he blames Quentyn, which EVERYONE (including himself) knows to be 100% bullshit
exactly. he can't make serious accusations because he doesn't know
so, frickit, it was quentyn, lol, who cares, nobody knows the kid.
lemme give you a clue fren
"belwas ate the whole bowl, and didnt even die."
and also
"Strong Belwas bellowed, “Locusts!” as he seized the bowl and began to crunch them by the handful."
these 2 clues solve the riddle, but it will require a re-read 🙂
and finally, in case you have any doubts that it wasn't Hizdahr:
“You ought to try a few yourself, my love. They are rolled in spice before the honey, so they are sweet and hot at once.”
hizdahr prompts dany to try them, in public, with selmy nearby.
the locusts that were part of the food that he provided
come on.
he isn't THAT moronic
>he likely gave a great many shits
Nope.
>exactly. he can't make serious accusations because he doesn't know
...and he doesn't even try to find out.
> lol, who cares
HE should care, if someone tried to poison him. The locusts didn't work, so tomorrow it could be his wine, or his breakfasts. But most fortunately, none of that ever happens. How convenient.
>note that belwas ate the whole bowl, and didnt even die.
Belwas is freakishly huge, has a digestive system of a bull, and he VOMITED MOST OF THE LOCUSTS UP after eating too much of them, so he only got a fraction of the eventual poison dose.
>hizdahr prompts dany to try them, in public, with selmy nearby
If she got ill some time later after eating locusts, Hizdahr would give her over to the Green Grace for healing (and away from everyone else), where she would tragically die from an upset tummy (hence using a slow-acting poison instead of something like the strangler), and Selmy would have no grounds for accusations - he can't prove that it wasn't a sickness. Belwas digging in and getting his stomach twisted right on the spot after eating only locusts and nothing else is an extremely lucky coincidence to point out that locusts were poisoned.
>Nope.
how would you know?
we don't have his POV
Selmy doesn't show him actively looking into it
but then Selmy doesn't have his trust
>...and he doesn't even try to find out.
see above. he likely has tried to find out
>HE should care, if someone tried to poison him. The locusts didn't work, so tomorrow it could be his wine, or his breakfasts. But most fortunately, none of that ever happens. How convenient.
the "who cares" was meant for Quentyn, as an explanation of why he accused him
he can't accuse an actual player without evidence, so he goes for the powerless Westerosi brat.
>Belwas is freakishly huge, has a digestive system of a bull, and he VOMITED MOST OF THE LOCUSTS UP after eating too much of them, so he only got a fraction of the eventual poison dose
you're missing the point
yea, he vomited most of the locusts up, but he ate all of them, and still survived
remember, this is the royal box in a public event. the "bowl" is probably fricking huge, we're not talking about the mereen equivalent of a small bag of chips.
and after eating the whole fricking thing, belwas survives.
so what would happen if dany ate a couple?
probably nothing, right?
sure, shes smaller than belwas, but she certainly wouldn't be eating the whole bowl
so, maybe a bit of indigestion/tummy ache/diarrhea?
certainely not fricking death
>Hizdahr would give her over to the Green Grace for healing (and away from everyone else)
hizdahr has no authority over dany
remember, his kingship derives from her
and dispensing with the politics, its danys forces that control mereen
if dany is sick, Selmy and her crew would deal with it, not Hizdahr
1/2
2/2
so lemme present the alternative
we know of a single undeniable fact about this situation:
the poison (if it even was poison, and not just mereenese laxative or something) in the locusts was very, very weak
so weak that even eating an unreasonably large amount was not lethal
granted, belwas is huge, and strong, but he ate the whole thing and still didn't die.
this to me proves:
-Dany was not the target.
-Hizdahr was not the target.
-both of them were not the target (as in, whoever poisoned the locusts was trying to get both of them at the same time)
neither of them could have reasonably be expected to eat a shitload of locusts
and eating less than that would not have been lethal
moreover, if Dany specifically was the target, why poison the locusts?
she's not mereenese, she doesn't eat that crap (indeed, she doesn't, even after a recommendation)
why not the figs and the dates?
but most importantly, if dany, a slight, thin, little girl was the target, why in the everloving frick use something that requires eating a shitload of the poisoned item to kill?
ok, so, if Dany wasn't the target, who was?
well, there are 2 theories:
1) the Shavepate poisoned the locusts.
He didn't want to kill anyone, hence the weak ass poison
He merely wanted to foment dissent between the Dany faction and Hizdahr/the nobles/the Harpy faction.
He had the motive, since the peace, the marriage and losing control of the brazen beasts, he was losing power
So, he pulled a Littlefinger move.
2) The House of Pahl poisoned the locusts.
>Wait, what? Who?WTF?
remember the champion fight outside the gates of mereen, before Dany conquered the city?
It was Belwas vs a mereenese chamion. and the mereenese champion was from the house of pahl.
and belwas killed and humiliated that guy.
belwas who fricking loves locusts, a fact that could have been widely known
so, house of pahl poisons the locusts, but with a weak poison
if dany or hizdahr eat some, no biggie, they might get a tummy ache
but belwas, lover or locusts, will eat a shitload and die
or, at least that was the plan, belwas managed to pull through
personally, i favor the second theory.
the Shavepate would've been smarter with food selection, he would've gone with something dany likes but hizdahr doesn't
I think it's dumb because the book obviously hints that Hizdahr tried to poison Dany. The problem with readers of this series, is they look too hard for hidden meaning where there is none. George isn't that complex of a story teller. Nobody cares about HIzdahr. He's not some complex character. There is no PhD to be had studying hints in these books. It's not complex. It's not hard.
>brutally filtered
No, it's not filtered because I don't overanalyze the books. There's a difference between seeing what the author is doing and stupid fan theories that nobody would pay attention to if there wasn't such large gaps between these books.
the author has written several mysteries into the books
-who poisoned Jon Arryn?
-who sent the catspaw to kill Bran?
-who poisoned Joffrey?
and in none of those were the obvious/first choice culprits the actual culprits
why are you assuming he would suddenly dumb it down 100x for the poisoned locusts?
I want to see Davos on Skagos looking for Rickon
Hizdahr is not innocent. He even tried to get her to eat the locusts and screamed for the men to kill Drogon in the fighting pits.
SELMY poisoned the locusts
But why ruin perfectly good locusts? White beard cannot cook for shit but poison is just on purpose.
>questioning your loyalties
after swearing an oath, sure, it's wrong to question your loyalties. But before swearing an oath, it's absolutely a good thing to question who you'll be swearing to.
You think GRRM is talented but think his world is dull? It’s so alive for me, with prophecies and conspiracies weaving everything, with so much mystery and tales, so many characters with real human personalities.
It’s for this reason that he’s such a fricking abysmal failure, that he will leave not one, but two books unfinished.
what if he just wrapped everything up in one book, sloppily but at least got it over and some closure.
maybe he's just sick of GoT at this point. Maybe i spend hours and hours arguing with my fans about how the books should or shouldn't be, and at this point i'm just sick of it entirely. I don't want to finish the books anymore.
I mean he.
I’d prefer that over him dying and someone else doing it and it being tainted by the fact that it isn’t his words.
But he won’t because he’s fat gay and lazy.
it's literally just "Tudor england with magic and dragon" though
I never got the Tudor comparison. The Starks are...Scotland? Northumbria? Were either pagan in the 16th century? The South of England is desert populated by Spaniards? The Lannisters and Starks aren’t even particularly related either so it’s not like the wars of the Roses outside of vague aesthetic similarities.
It's fantasy Bongland with serial numbers shaved off. It's less creative than some other fantasy worlds authors have made, although that pretension to historical realism might explain the appeal. Never saw ASOIAF's world building as a real strong point of the series compared to the characters, anyway.
>pretension to historical realism might explain the appeal
the appeal is primarily the (almost) Tolkien-tier worldbuilding and the very decent plot, combined with adult-level morality.
at some point "Elves/Numenorians good, Morgoth/Sauron bad" becomes a bit simplistic, despite all the other excellent qualities of Tolkiens work.
>the (almost) Tolkien-tier worldbuilding
>Seven Kingdoms and their vassals have had the same ruling houses for tens of thousands of years
>Everyone on the continent speaks the same language despite Westeros being the size of North America
>Not Mongols use human wave tactics and conquer half the world
Etc.
None of these things are true. House Baratheon's only a few hundred years old, and they never ruled as kings before Robert's Rebellion. The Tullys never ruled as kings either, nor did the Martells. The Iron Islands hadn't seen sustained periods as an independent kingdom -- it was unified with the Riverlands -- since around the Andal Invasion, which happened thousands of years before the main story, and many houses other than the Greyjoys produced Greyiron Kings.
The only houses this applies to are the Lannisters and the Starks, but the history of both was hardly static before the conquest.
And yeah, it's improbable that there'd be two dynasties from anywhere that'd descend back so long tbey were founded by mythological figures, but this has happened in real life on numerous occasions. The Yamato and Solomonic Dynasties both descend from mythological figures. One's still in power, and the other only lost their power because of the fricking Commies, and all fricking Commies should fricking hang anyway.
>only a couple hundred years
So the same length of a historically successful dynasty and the length of empires?
Sense of time is stupid in this series. I don't care how long your winters are... if you have a decade long summer you are getting shit done.
House Baratheon's only been AROUND a couple hundred years, and has only held the throne for two generations.
Plenty of dynasties that've fallen from kingship are still around. There's still princes of the Hohenzollern, Pahlavi, Yi, and Habsburg houses, and they don't rule over monarchies anymore. There's even princes of the Romanov house still around, and they literally faced a campaign of genocidal extermination by the most bloodthirsty covernment in world history.
Yeah, it's imptobable. But it's not impossible a house'd descend from mythological times to the present, and even consistently hold a monarchy for hundreds, or even thousands of years.
Scratch that. More like ONE generation., and two of their three kings aren't even actual Baratheons, and the rightful heir's currently stuck on the other side of the realm.
Well yes the Capachians come to mind and I get what you're saying but every house is as old as the famous exceptions was my point.
Ok I exaggerated but countless major and minor houses have been around for thousands of years which is pretty stupid.
He's good at making characters and stories involving intrigue, but that's his only trick. The world only has 300 years of actual history and nothing in it is particularly exciting or charming. Fantasy should be about pushing your imagination to its limits, not creating an insipid world with a small amount of magic tacked on so you can pretend it's fantasy.
>fantasy should
>second most popular fantasy series of all time didn't
Not every fantasy series has to be fantasycore. Do you get upset that the Expanse series didn't have warp drives and transporters too?
You can do a half in, half out genre book, it's okay. Inter-dimensional unicorns and convoluted 50-layer magic systems aren't always necessary if the writer is gifted.
grrm, for all his many faults, is a gifted writer. Having actual talent means gatekeeping doesn't apply.
Keep your rules for the hacks.
>anime pic
>copypasted hackneyed moral “analysis”
>story bad because the tone is too realistic and therefore doesn't have Muh Transcendental Godly Virtue™
I've seen this exact same half-witted criticism everytime ASoIaF is mentioned. Do you people unironically think that every story ought to have some overarching moral message?
That would require me getting through AFFC first. It’s not going well.
What the frick is up with Ulthos bros?
Why is it purple?
Because it's a dark, firey, uninhabitable, radioactive wasteland:
https://m.imgur.com/a/VXADz
I care. I love these books. I hope George finishes. I like his writing.
Yeah the next book is coming out any time now. Should be later this year. If not this year, then the next year, and if not that year, then 2017. I'm not worried.
I did not finish read ADWD a decade ago... damn.
How old are you boomer?
I care as in I still regard this as one of the best stories ever written.
I’ve nearly entirely accepted though that George is a complete failure and a loser, who would rather ruin his legacy by leaving his opus incomplete than to have a modicum of discipline.
He’s a lazy hack who should admit that he will never finish the books instead of leading everyone on, for that, I cannot respect, and it makes me unable to see pass his homosexual politics either.
ASOIAF will be the greatest what if, a beautiful universe and story that will be unfinished. I suppose with Berserk being that too now, maybe you have to learn to just appreciate what you have.
The thing GRRM has ruined the most is his legacy as a man. He will be known for his laziness, his lack of work ethic, and lack of honesty about himself. It’s sad.
They're going to finish Berserk, there was no spiteful
clause in the will preventing it.
I'm not a teenager anymore so no.
Showgays ruined this series, also they have no idea how lucky they are actually getting an "ending."
He should let one of the new AIs finish it.
no and i hate the series now. i also hate GRR Martin, and see him as the fraud he is (ripoff of JRR Tolkien, just a subversion of his work))
Oh so you haven't read the books? Cool.
>shit
>drink
>ai: "Hmm, she must be black"
I tried to read them but fantasy sex is just moronic. Reading about nipples cumming balls farting in my ass cunmmiung in hbreasts rubbbing weiners togetger sshitting on each othes asses and cumming on wieners is just not good reading to me.
I'm at the fourth book, in the 300s. So far so good. I like that the fourth book is almost only new POVs. Samwell chapters are pretty basic but still fun to read. Cercei chapters feel like reading a schizo mind and Jaime make you feel the doubt he has.
I'll have a fun time reading a Dance with Dragons.
Fourth book is way overhated. I love Brienne chapters. The Cersei chapters got a bit much for me though.
Brienne is the unsung hero for real. She's the only true knight of the series for the most part so far.
>the only true knight
but she has horrible judgment in choosing a lord or lady to serve.
Which translates to her serving psychopaths, which is a very unknightly thing to do.
Night King is the only true leader. (yes yes, i know, only in the show. In the books the Whitewalkers are the good guys, and who ever is controlling them is the good guy)
Forth book is straight up the best one on it's own merit, but it fricks up in forgetting that it is a vital part of a series, not a stand alone entry.
Nope.
>Sunset found her squatting in the grass, groaning. Every stool was looser than the one before, and smelled fouler. By the time the moon came up she was shitting brown water. The more she drank, the more she shat, but the more she shat, the thirstier she grew, and her thirst sent her crawling to the stream to suck up more water.
so she's like Ungoliant, basically
Only a couple chapters left of Dance with Dragons. I'm sad bros. It's... over.
>So many Stannisaboos ITT
Victarion Greyjoy is the thinking man’s contender. If he had showed just a little more statesmanship and accepted Asha’s offer to rule together he would have been unstoppable.
He already has the favor of both the Lord of Light and the Drowned God. Once he takes Dany as a bride it’s pretty much over. She has a thing for big dumb killers anyway.
I only still care about this series because I want to read about his adventures SAILING THE DOPTHRAKI SEA.
The most incontinent woman in the world has need of his axe.
okay so we have:
Dany- Liberals choice. White, but rules over the non-whites.
Greyjoy- "the thinking man's contender".
Stannis- for people that aren't liberal but still believe in following all the "rules".
White Walkers/Night King- for people that want absolute justice and to return the land to the rightful owners, the Children of the Forest.
Cersei- I'm not sure if she fits the girl power motif, Dany already has that spot filled. What attracts people to team Cersei?
any other contenders?
No love for Bran? I know the show butchered his coronation, but it makes perfect sense to have an omniscient king, traitors and schemers would have a hard time plotting against him when he can spy on everyone from a distance. Plus he could keep an eye on the Wall at all times and come up with a plan to defend the realm months before the enemy attacks.
oh yea, Bran, add him to the list. So is he sorta the midpoint between all the others? Or is he in a completely different category?
the mystic's choice?
Yeah mystic, alongside Euron.
Also frick the suggestion that the Others should be kings to give the land back to the COF, this is hippie thought.
>this is a hippie thought
but it's still a thought, nonetheless, and will therefore stay. The White Walkers (who whoever is controlling them) have entered the "game of thrones" as contenders, albeit non-human contenders.
and none of the Greyjoys i would classify as "mystic". They're literally Vikings, pirates. But hardly mystics, even when they're religious. That's like calling Cersei a mystic because she visiting a fortune-teller once.
Bran is a mystic, definitely. He has repeated visions, he speaks with the Green Seer and the Children of the Forest.
i also disagree with the person that said "Greyjoy is the thinking man's choice". In terms of rationality, i'd say Cersei fits that category the best, or maybe Littlefinger. They are both people that don't have a shred of spirituality in them, merely concerned with power, wealth, and acquiring more. They'll cite 7 kingdom law, but they'll break it when it's convenient (e.g. when Cersei flouted law by having incest with her brother, but then cited law when she claimed Joffrey had the greatest claim to the throne). No honor, no mystic insights, just pure mundane rationality.
The Greyjoys have a tradition of reaving, perhaps based on an older religious culture, but it's on a very different scale than Bran's brand of spirituality.
Khaleesi thinks having dragons makes her somehow better qualified to be the ruler of the world, when in reality she's just a stronger version of the Greyjoys, relying on brute force (air power, vs sea power) to validate her claim.
Stannis has an outdated honor system, he's like the Nick Fuentes candidate, the Trump candidate. Desperately trying to cling to the old ways (even though they're not even that old) against the onslaught of rationalism and will-to-power ambition of Cersei, Littlefinger and their type.
White Walkers/Others are a complete rejection of the human method, the idea that there needs to be rulers or gov't's at all, that there needs to be any hierarchies at all. A return to Nature. It may sound "hippy", but it's still a valid option, especially given that *all* the hierarchies of humans are complete garbage, and only benefit those at the top of the pyramid.
>i also disagree with the person that said "Greyjoy is the thinking man's choice". In terms of rationality, i'd say Cersei fits that category the best, or maybe Littlefinger. They are both people that don't have a shred of spirituality in them, merely concerned with power, wealth, and acquiring more. They'll cite 7 kingdom law, but they'll break it when it's convenient
I will admit I was kind of shitposting with the “thinking man’s choice” line but him and Asha would have been a much better choice to lead the Ironborn over Euron.
Littlefinger himself would never be king but but I could see him becoming hand of the Queen by convincing Sansa to take Winterfell and then marching south to get revenge for her family.
And that’s a big if, Sansa might just want to stay in the north.
why are you speculating about what's going to happen in the novels. We know almost exactly how the rest of the story goes down.
Well there’s more he can flesh out in the books rather than 7 episode seasons, I’m the Victarion guy and he wasn’t even in the show.
Also it’s been over a decade since the last book, there is nothing else to do beside speculate.
Behold, the actual thinking man's choice.
Consider; N+L=J
Black folk+Lysa? Just write the fricking words
Ned and Lyanna, it was a shitpost
no care no more