Do you think that historians tend to overrepresent the attitudes and culture of the elite class when talking about past societies?
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Do you think that historians tend to overrepresent the attitudes and culture of the elite class when talking about past societies?
Absolutely, not really their fault that’s the source material. You have to really get a good holistic view of Rome to realize it probably frickin sucked to be a regular Roman for most of Roman history.
>it probably frickin sucked to be a regular Roman for most of Roman history.
>Serve in army for a few years
>Get tons of land you can pass down to your children
>Can own slaves from territories YOU helped conquering to do your work
Yeah. Horrible. I'd rather wageslave my entire life and be a rentoid. That is so much more liberating and rewarding.
A few years? Anon the contract was 20 years plus 5 in reserves.
How long do I wageslave to buy an equally sized plot of land? 70 years?
Nice, now I can chill as Evocati! Roma Invicta, my general!
Why would you compare a time of peace, however shitty, with a time of plague and crisis? Crisis wasn't the status quo. I'd rather be a pleb in Rome than live in modern day Detroit.
>How long do I wageslave to buy an equally sized plot of land? 70 years?
Underage detected. The typical mortgage is literally 25 years which is equivalent to Roman military service.
https://neutralhistory.com/retirement-and-pensions-in-the-roman-army/
>get 10 to 12 lugera of land
Even if it was equal, which it isn't, you shouldn't assume that the five years of reserve always hit everyone. Average mortage for that much land surely is not 25 years. Of course, if you buy it you need a loicense to actually build shit there if you wanna use it for anything but farming or foresting nowadays.
Also, do you get paid above average for taking a mortgage, with potential to advance in the social ladder and network with higher ups? No? You just get a better credit score? Oh dear.
Anon it was even less for boomers. Also, do you think the Romans didn't run out productive land to hand out once the frontiers of the empire stretched into the Scottish Highlands and densely forested Germany? You can still buy cheap ass tracts of land and even houses in the US, it doesn't mean you can do anything productive on it:
https://www.land.com/United-States/all-land/5000-50000/
>a better credit score
>he doesn't know how to leverage credit to his advantage
Even if you were a Roman you would have stayed poor.
>for boomers
>Comparing one of the wealthiest and greediest generations ever to walk earth with the current ones that has tons of gatekeeping in its way
Wow, great argument.
>Also, do you think the Romans didn't run out productive land to hand out
One lugera is 2500m2. If you get 11 that is 27500m2. If you have 10,000 legionnaires leaving your army in a year that makes 275m2. Italy alone has about 68,000 km2 of arable land.
If you had 10k legionnaires retiring every year you could give out land for 250 years.
Spain has 125k, Germany 120k.
Even if you half or quarter those numbers, odds of you getting shitty land were pretty low considering the size of the whole thing. And again, you actually received above average salary during this entire time with your occasional bonus.
>he doesn't know how to leverage credit to his advantage
Enlighten me. And don't say start a business, because that is being made more and more unattractive by bureaucracy and government intervention a.k.a. gatekeeping year by year
>Comparing one of the wealthiest and greediest generations ever to walk earth with the current ones that has tons of gatekeeping in its way
Are you implying that legionaries at the peak of the Roman Empire were not one of the wealthiest generations on earth too at the time?
>Germany 120k.
>he doesn't know
>And again, you actually received above average salary during this entire time with your occasional bonus.
And that salary would have been increasingly less valuable over time because the Roman currency suffered from continuous debasement during the Empire since their economics was just as shit as ours today.
>1 Roman jugera = 0.623 acres
>6.23 acres of land
Here's 41 acres of land for sale in California for $5,500.
https://www.land.com/property/41.32-acres-in-Mono-County-California/19565258/
>https://www.land.com/property
>look for farm land instead
>prices in the millions
https://www.land.com/California/all-land/5-10-acres/
Wow
>less than 6k dollars for 7 beds and 7 baths in Ventura
Sorry to show up announced, Anōnumos but I'm afraid I need you to sail with me to a remote island in the middle of nowhere. Again. This will be the last time, Anōn. Pinkie promise
>b-but you said that the last time
Anōn.
>b-but general
Trust the plan, Anon.
>m-my family, m-my lands, m-my slaves...
Anōn! It will be fine. Quick voyage to Britannia., 6 months tops. We slaughter a couple of smelly druids, and I'll sweeten the deal with a position in the Senate. Now come, those Iron Age bastards are not going to kill themselves you know.
Most of the 59-76 million people in the empire's peak were not that, though.
So there is a 95% chance that if you were born as a roman, you would have been either a plebian or worse a slave.
And that's just the peak, imagine being born in a plage time, or the 3rd century crisis.
Lol.
yes because it allows LARPers like
to self insert themselves into le "VGH TRADITIONAL" societies without grappling with how those societies were inherently flawed.
Probably still was better than being a citizen in societies around Rome.
Though from what I've seen, people's attitude towards life never really differed from today, equally as flawed and monotonous for most people.
Of course. Incidentally, historians believe the ancient Greeks had an abundance of homosexuality when really it was just a depraved kink of the wealthy/literate