I literally had a dream last night where the author was talking in an interview about how some people hate the books and that it just goes to show how subjective quality is
I haven't read them in 20 years so now I'm wondering why I had that visual in my sleep.
I read the first one because all the cool kids in school were reading them. Okay, maybe they weren't the cool kids, but they were the kids whose parents pulled them out of school to go see Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones in theatres. I really enjoyed it, but I never read any of the other Redwall books. It seemed like there were fifty sequels or something.
I'll probably re-read one or two this summer. Too bad about Netflix dropping their Redwall project(s) a few years ago, that choice might be the curtain call for this series' cultural relevance.
For us burgers, it was "the last apprentice" because apparently "spook" is yet another slur for black people. either way, the art in these books was incredible, I loved the first page of each chapter because we got another fantastic drawing to set the tone for the chapter.
I'm going to start buying a them for my kids. I feel like these could easily disappear in the near future. Now to find some of the proper covers not these awful ones...
It depends on if you like the writing and world enough. Most of the stories are contained within a generation of each other, so they don't connect that intensely
Yes. For example, the first book introduces a bunch of characters and a bunch of legends. The next book in the series deals with the children of the first book, but then there is also a book that tells the story of one of the legends in the first book. This continues, and there is an overall continuity that gets established
god I wish I appreciated these more when I read them when I was like fricking 12 or 13. I used to devour them, and I should probably read them again. Redwall, Matteo, Martin the Warrior, Salamandstrom and more. Frick, such incredible world building and the way they were subtly interconnected was incredible. Pure Kino
This book was great. I love how fricking brutal the villain's death is, too, Brocktree just crushes him with his bare hands. Or, maybe he doesn't die, but his broken body gets washed away by the sea, I remember that.
It's funny how the series is basically A Song Of Ice And Fire for kids. It's got brutal warfare, brutal deaths, and lots of descriptions of food. Everything you'd want from one of GRRM's books, just for kids.
Yes, loved them as a kid. Martin the Warrior was my favorite but I enjoyed them all. Loved the long patrol rabbits and all the tasty-sounding food. The verminous villains were always great. The Abby was unbelievably comfy. Don’t know how they hold up as an adult but I feel pretty confident that they’re still good. I found a signed copy of Mossflower at a thrift store for a dollar a few years ago, one of my best book finds. Brian Jacques was/is the man.
>takes place in an abbey, with abbots, monks, and prayers >Ja(k)es adamantly refuses to allow the mice to be catholic.
It could have been amazing literature; it ends up being vacuous twaddle.
The libs don't have to when all the characters are just "good".
The characters don't have to be explicitly Catholic (though I'd prefer if they were).The entire series is so obviously Medieval European and Catholic coded.
Yes, but Jacques explicitly stated that they were not religious and only built Redwall “to be kind” and any undertones of religiosity are a presumption of the reader.
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Source? Was it in a novel or in an interview or something?
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Multiple interviews regrettably. Just search up "redwall, religion, etc" and there are many times he's written or said this.
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Multiple interviews regrettably. Just search up "redwall, religion, etc" and there are many times he's written or said this.
That is unfortunate however it doesn't mean that the work itself doesn't move people towards the Church. At this point anything that portrays medieval Europe, monasteries, agrarian/rural communities etc as positive is a force for good. Never underestimate the power of aesthetics. Even a film like Kingdom of Heaven, which attempts to portray the Church poorly has ended up contributing to people's conversions (I know personal examples) simply because the aesthetics of knights fighting for Christendom with a moving score of chant is so powerful. The power of aesthetics often overrides the authors intellectual intentions.
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>simply because the aesthetics of knights fighting for Christendom with a moving score of chant is so powerful.
anyone who converted to "Catholicism" because of Ridley Scott is actually moronic
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No one converts literally because of a film like this. It's that things like this can slowly erode decades of progressive indoctrination. Most western people literally walk around thinking that world history is a line with a constant upward trajectory and that people in the middle aged were sitting around eating mud in the dark.
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kys christcuck
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>insulting that anon like a little b***h
He has a point, one could argue civilization is more akin to sinusoidal waves as opposed to a constant trend. A kneejerk response like that is uncalled for.
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Not literature
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The whole movie pleads for ecumenical tolerance, and zealotry is depicted as self-destructive and bigoted. And of course, the Crusaders are also defeated militarily. If that moves you toward becoming a deus vault tradlarper, you are a moron. It's like reading Lord of the Rings and siding with Sauron's man.
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You didn't read my post. I said that it moves people in spite of it's garbage intellectual intentions. It's purely aesthetics. You don't understand how powerful aesthetics are. Plenty of people don't pay attention to the "message" but are absorbing crusaders knights and Gregorian chant. This is all against the creators I mention by the way, which I'm well aware of.
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>Plenty of people don't pay attention to the "message" but are absorbing crusaders knights and Gregorian chant
and they are morons if they think that's what the religion is about
using religious aesthetics without religion is having books on your shelf with blank pages
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Redwall has moral content. I haven't read the books as an adult but I would be surprised if there were literally no traces of religious behavior to go with it. Isn't there like a kind of second coming prophecy bit around Martin the Warrior being fulfilled by Matthias? Isn't the Abbey some sort of refuge for war orphans or something? They don't say Rodentine Mass or whatever but that doesn't mean there is no religion
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It might look like religion, but again, Jacques has explicitly stated that it is irreligious. Even St. Ninians church, or whatever it is, he stated he thought it sounded cool and not that he’s reference the venerable Bede
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Sorry. I’ve had too much to drink. That was incomprehensible.
I've got this. Haven't read any of the books in about a decade though. The first book is probably my all-time favourite book, so I should return to it.
These books connect me with my brother who died at 21. We were both great fans growing up.
I remember the food a lot. Id probably struggle to re-read any now.
I literally had a dream last night where the author was talking in an interview about how some people hate the books and that it just goes to show how subjective quality is
I haven't read them in 20 years so now I'm wondering why I had that visual in my sleep.
I remember them being good, as well as the show.
>I remember them being good, as well as the show.
The show is almost as comfy as the books.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUIixndCOJ8yNBH3FmtlUTxDj-sfBxPEx
I read the first one because all the cool kids in school were reading them. Okay, maybe they weren't the cool kids, but they were the kids whose parents pulled them out of school to go see Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones in theatres. I really enjoyed it, but I never read any of the other Redwall books. It seemed like there were fifty sequels or something.
I think they are split in self contained sagas, taking place in different times and with different protagonists.
Why are certain races of animals always evil and others are always noble?? Wtf did Brian Jacques mean by this??
https://www.somethingawful.com/news/bargain-book-bin-3/
I frickin KNEW someone would inevitably post this in response to my leading question lmao, bless you anon <3
I'm here for you, every Redwall thread.
I'll probably re-read one or two this summer. Too bad about Netflix dropping their Redwall project(s) a few years ago, that choice might be the curtain call for this series' cultural relevance.
Yes, I will be reading them to my child when he is old enough to understand and enjoy.
Redwall and Spook's apprentice are quintessential British childhood reading. Brimming with rural SOUL.
For us burgers, it was "the last apprentice" because apparently "spook" is yet another slur for black people. either way, the art in these books was incredible, I loved the first page of each chapter because we got another fantastic drawing to set the tone for the chapter.
They're the best children's series by far
I really enjoyed the cartoon, is it worth exploring the books as a grown man?
I mean, it can't be any worse than posting here
Good point
Yes, I am reading through them right now. Comfy as frick, cleanses the palette between heavier reads.
I'm going to start buying a them for my kids. I feel like these could easily disappear in the near future. Now to find some of the proper covers not these awful ones...
god the original covers are SO comfy
What about these? Also, is the entire series worth reading or only the first few books?
It depends on if you like the writing and world enough. Most of the stories are contained within a generation of each other, so they don't connect that intensely
does the world get more and more complex?
Yes. For example, the first book introduces a bunch of characters and a bunch of legends. The next book in the series deals with the children of the first book, but then there is also a book that tells the story of one of the legends in the first book. This continues, and there is an overall continuity that gets established
Those are the best covers
I like the ones that look like Roman frescoes.
god I wish I appreciated these more when I read them when I was like fricking 12 or 13. I used to devour them, and I should probably read them again. Redwall, Matteo, Martin the Warrior, Salamandstrom and more. Frick, such incredible world building and the way they were subtly interconnected was incredible. Pure Kino
Mossflower made it to the list 🙂
>no Series of Unfortunate Events
horrible chart
The lack of LORD BROCKTREE in this thread is appalling…
Lord Brocktree, Martin the Warrior and Mossflower are all great prequels. Reading the series in chronological order is such a wild ride.
https://www.goodreads.com/series/51930-redwall-chronological-order
This book was great. I love how fricking brutal the villain's death is, too, Brocktree just crushes him with his bare hands. Or, maybe he doesn't die, but his broken body gets washed away by the sea, I remember that.
It's funny how the series is basically A Song Of Ice And Fire for kids. It's got brutal warfare, brutal deaths, and lots of descriptions of food. Everything you'd want from one of GRRM's books, just for kids.
I was always partial to Rakkety Tam, personally. Something about that scottish spirit, I guess. Loved all the books though.
Easily the most based thread on this whole site.
It’s not even close.
I need it lads
Great idea for a cookbook.
Yes, loved them as a kid. Martin the Warrior was my favorite but I enjoyed them all. Loved the long patrol rabbits and all the tasty-sounding food. The verminous villains were always great. The Abby was unbelievably comfy. Don’t know how they hold up as an adult but I feel pretty confident that they’re still good. I found a signed copy of Mossflower at a thrift store for a dollar a few years ago, one of my best book finds. Brian Jacques was/is the man.
Just ordered a bunch of paperback and hardbacks. Decided I'm going to try collect all of them before the libs destroy them.
>takes place in an abbey, with abbots, monks, and prayers
>Ja(k)es adamantly refuses to allow the mice to be catholic.
It could have been amazing literature; it ends up being vacuous twaddle.
The libs don't have to when all the characters are just "good".
The characters don't have to be explicitly Catholic (though I'd prefer if they were).The entire series is so obviously Medieval European and Catholic coded.
Yes, but Jacques explicitly stated that they were not religious and only built Redwall “to be kind” and any undertones of religiosity are a presumption of the reader.
Source? Was it in a novel or in an interview or something?
Multiple interviews regrettably. Just search up "redwall, religion, etc" and there are many times he's written or said this.
That is unfortunate however it doesn't mean that the work itself doesn't move people towards the Church. At this point anything that portrays medieval Europe, monasteries, agrarian/rural communities etc as positive is a force for good. Never underestimate the power of aesthetics. Even a film like Kingdom of Heaven, which attempts to portray the Church poorly has ended up contributing to people's conversions (I know personal examples) simply because the aesthetics of knights fighting for Christendom with a moving score of chant is so powerful. The power of aesthetics often overrides the authors intellectual intentions.
>simply because the aesthetics of knights fighting for Christendom with a moving score of chant is so powerful.
anyone who converted to "Catholicism" because of Ridley Scott is actually moronic
No one converts literally because of a film like this. It's that things like this can slowly erode decades of progressive indoctrination. Most western people literally walk around thinking that world history is a line with a constant upward trajectory and that people in the middle aged were sitting around eating mud in the dark.
kys christcuck
>insulting that anon like a little b***h
He has a point, one could argue civilization is more akin to sinusoidal waves as opposed to a constant trend. A kneejerk response like that is uncalled for.
Not literature
bump
The whole movie pleads for ecumenical tolerance, and zealotry is depicted as self-destructive and bigoted. And of course, the Crusaders are also defeated militarily. If that moves you toward becoming a deus vault tradlarper, you are a moron. It's like reading Lord of the Rings and siding with Sauron's man.
You didn't read my post. I said that it moves people in spite of it's garbage intellectual intentions. It's purely aesthetics. You don't understand how powerful aesthetics are. Plenty of people don't pay attention to the "message" but are absorbing crusaders knights and Gregorian chant. This is all against the creators I mention by the way, which I'm well aware of.
>Plenty of people don't pay attention to the "message" but are absorbing crusaders knights and Gregorian chant
and they are morons if they think that's what the religion is about
Making it religious propaganda would be worse
using religious aesthetics without religion is having books on your shelf with blank pages
Redwall has moral content. I haven't read the books as an adult but I would be surprised if there were literally no traces of religious behavior to go with it. Isn't there like a kind of second coming prophecy bit around Martin the Warrior being fulfilled by Matthias? Isn't the Abbey some sort of refuge for war orphans or something? They don't say Rodentine Mass or whatever but that doesn't mean there is no religion
It might look like religion, but again, Jacques has explicitly stated that it is irreligious. Even St. Ninians church, or whatever it is, he stated he thought it sounded cool and not that he’s reference the venerable Bede
Sorry. I’ve had too much to drink. That was incomprehensible.
No, it just adds an air of authenticity
>air of authenticity
I remember reading Legend of Luke and forgetting what it was about. 🙂
Just ordered 5 used hardbacks and 5 used paperbacks. Let's go
Powerful memory for me: I'm sitting in the he floor in my room reading salamandastron eating cheese and hunks of bread.
I've got this. Haven't read any of the books in about a decade though. The first book is probably my all-time favourite book, so I should return to it.
These books connect me with my brother who died at 21. We were both great fans growing up.
I remember the food a lot. Id probably struggle to re-read any now.