>dude Littlefinger is a genius manipulator because...he just is, okay!?
>it doesn't matter that everyone dislikes and distrusts him in both the books and the show, and that a character like that would never actually survive realistically very long
>hmm...I still have to resolve that one plotline about Bran's attempted assassination...
>should I try to make it interesting? who could have the motive? perhaps I should make it a part of some elaborate plan...hmmm.....
>I guess Joffery did it to impress his father, done!
>class in medieval society was important. lowborn couldn't touch highborn. except for Gregor Clegane, he can rape and murder royalty with no consequence
>oh and Tywin can exterminate entire houses like Castamere with no consequences either
>oh and let me just throw in the Cthulus mythos halfway through the series
Hack.
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He was a failed Jimmy Saville
>When you read GRRM what you are reading is [...] made safe for a middlebrow audience.
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I’m no fan of either Tolkien or GRRM. Tolkien falls too in love with scenery and imagery and description and it hampers his stories a little too much for my liking. Seeing as this is a GRRM dislike thread, I’ll be picking on him. If memory serves correct, GRRM has dreadful prose. I read the first book, Game of Thrones. He uses dialogue attribution, adverbs, tell don’t show, other ill-suited moves to create terrible writing/dialogue.
The following section could for example be a legitimate GRRM passage:
Tywin Lannister looked angrily around the room. “I know who are you.” He shouted menacingly and slamming the door behind him loudly. “You are Arya Stark.” His now throbbing, hard, vertical erection ripped a hole through his pants. “Yes, this will do quite nicely.” Also, there was a roast onion on the stove glistening with hot sauce and butter and honey and nacho cheese and mayonnaise and chocolate sauce covered in candied marshmallows and ice cream and whipped cream [500 words follow about a feast and a dressed table for no reason]
It may as well be 1940s nickel/dime, pulp fiction, pot boiler shit.
“Do your worst?!” Our valiant handsome detective hero screamed while chained to the table. “Oh, I shall, in due time.” The evil bad guy doctor villain scientist dude whispered eerily.
Pink mast, the more she drank the more she shat, her pussy became the moon, and then lots of food descriptions…But plebs gonna pleb. To each their own, I hate constructing straw men, but is this entirely dishonest. Notice there’s no interrogative at the end of that sentence, and satan uses lies mixed with the truth, and we live in a post-truth age, so what’s the big deal. Does GRRM even have an internal engine to his universe, like the physics engine of a game; is there coherence and unity? The question is entirely rhetorical. He criticizes Tolkien—what about muh baby orcs and what was Aragorn’s tax policy? Seems out of touch with reality; Tolkien’s at/near the beginning of fantasy from gee I don’t know a different milieu and epoch; GRRM comes later and it’s all about twists and subversion and more modern considerations. For what it’s worth, if I wanted to read about taxes and policies, I’d pick up my old college copy of Ab Urbe Condita and translate the section on granaries. Tolkien’s works are mythological, philological, theological (eschatology, teleology, cosmogony especially), etc. GRRM focuses more on power, intrigue, politics, etc. I know some anons feel deeply touched by GRRM (tee-hee), but I think he’s lousy. I think the contemporary plebeian audience of readers/viewers is absolutely braindead, across the board. I hope to one day finish a Netflix series screenplay I’ve been writing called Powerman Meets Monsterman. It’ll be as much a cashgrab, sell-out, poseur drivel as GoT or any other series out today, and the audience will likely weep in the throes of watching it because of how moving it will be
nice bait
Good post
People trust Littlefinger in the books though
>>it doesn't matter that everyone dislikes and distrusts him in both the books and the show, and that a character like that would never actually survive realistically very long
In the books, everybody loves him. Why? Well they just do.
They like him because he's useful to them. The Lannisters love him because he brokered the Tyrell alliance that saved them from ruin. The Vale lords love him because he is paying off the debts of the critical lords he needs to stay in power.
Who loves Littlefinger? This is a misreading, he's not loved or hated. He's a merchant who's charming and nice to everybody, which means he has a lot of friends and fake friends. People are wary of him, but also need him to finance their ambitions. Typical merchant stuff.
But he's distrusted by the entire court because he's outrageously ambitious while being low class, and because no one's sure how he's so good with money (revealed later on to be prostitutes and other illegal dealings like murder for hire and blackmail, he's basically a crime lord).
It's not that hard to understand.
Littlefinger's almost certainly has most of his money from extortion when he was master of coin. At one point he loaned a bunch of money from the crown to people and told Joffrey they were Stannis supporters (antler men), Joffrey then immediately had them killed without thinking of the money. It seems in his character for Littlefinger to have just pocketed the cash and told Joffrey to kill a bunch of random men.
>consumed literally thousands of pages of text, watched hours of TV show and is intimately familiar with characters and scenes
What kind of insanity is it to willingly consume large amounts of goyslop, and then go internet to complain that said goyslop is in fact not very good.
I don't know who it was Tallyerand maybe, but I was reading about someone from The French Revolution and they were one of the most weasely, disgusting snakes you've ever read about and they survived every upheaval and died of old age. These kind of people usually do make it
Talleyrand-Périgord. Kissinger wrote fanfiction about him and wanted to be him.
I think a better comparison for Littlefinger would be Joseph Fouche, the guy who voted for the decapitation of Louis XVI only to reestablish monarchy after Napoleon fell. Unlike Talleyrand he was a commoner, a true parvenu
He is a very minor noble which makes him not a threat, has no claims to any important titles and is also extremely competent (or at least gives that impression). He has a certain personality type that normies easily fall for, more intelligent characters can see through him
Tyrion doesn't trust him but cannot figure out what it is his actual goals are.
I forget, is he on board with Varys and Aegon or is he planning to betray him ultimately?
>is he on board with Varys and Aegon
He's anti-Varys and probably doesn't even know about [F]Aegon
If he's anti-Varys he'd know about Aegon and have his own plan for the crown to foil him. Nvm I'll reread the books again my self, shouldn't have asked this crowd.
Aegon isn't ever mentioned in any of the chapters that Littlefinger is in. Arya overhears Varys and Illyrio talking in the first book and Varys outright says he has no idea what Littlefinger is up to. Littlefinger controls one of only two armies in Westeros unaffected by the war, so he has massive bargaining power when it comes to Aegon's invasion. In one of the Sansa chapters he says he's surprised at how quickly Cersei has screwed everything up so I don't think he's too keen on saving the Lannisters again.
It’s so funny when moral gays get absolutely filtered by this series
>noooo you can’t just kill them like that
>Noo he can’t get away with such things!!
>wtf no that’s not how the world works!!
>aragorn save me!!!!
>that everyone dislikes and distrusts him in both the books
WRONG
In the books everyone trusts him because he is always very useful and insignificant
That's his point, in the books he is a well liked socialite, it's the show that made the moronic decision to make him hated at court
>it doesn't matter that everyone dislikes and distrusts him in both the books and the show
This is total bullshit. In the books he's so well-liked that even some of the people who don't trust him like him.
Gregor Clegane is a noble thoughever, his father was enobled by Tywin Lannister
Littlefinger is sort of untouchable because he's the man who gets what you need, whether it's gold silver, or something... else. All with a smile, and he can't possible have any aspirations above Lord Paramount of the Riverlands... can he?
Added to which Stannis would execute him but he's too useful for everyone else to frick with.