If you want to keep reading, consider Children as a prologue of God-Emperor, which is the true masterpiece of the series. Spare some time and don't read the rest, OP.
Messiah is probably the sloppiest of all six. A lot of it is Paul's internal struggle with prescience, and it's clear that Herbert struggled to write it. I think it's good, but only in the context of "frick I loved Dune and want more of that." Each novel in the rest of the series really can stand on its own legs. Messiah cannot. I think is pretty accurate, in that it's not a very good novel all by itself.
best book in the series in my opinion, stop at Children of Dune. I know you will be tempted to read further and you’ll probably ignore my advice but just stop at Children of Dune (or God Emperor of Dune if you are desperate)
Yeah I don’t get it, Dune and Dune Messiah are masterpieces, Children of Dune is great but God Emperor was just Leto pontificating for half the book and most of it was trash. The parts that were actual plot were decent though, that book should have been the size of Messiah
God Emperor was one of the worst reading experiences I ever had because of Leto's smug rantings and how slow the plot is. Messiah is lean and straight to the point which makes me wonder how Denis can adapt it. I think Children could be adapted to the big screen, but God Emperor is a big no no.
Heretics seemed interesting, but God Emperor burned me out.
This is the most obnoxious complaint about those movies that you guys never stop repeating over, and over, and over.
Dune is a novel about the political dynamics and character developments of a huge and interesting cast of characters. And dude made a movie where no one ever talks for two fricking hours. Pick your favorite two actors in the world and that movie still would'a been a worthless piece of shit. I get it: you're racist. What a hot fricking take.
I like Denis, but deemphasizing dialogue for a series like Dune (which emphasizes philosophy, politics,lore, religion, and complex characters) might work well for a mainstream audience but is detrimental to the story.
He is also writing/directing the Rama adaptation, which thankfully works great with his strengths.
No genre fiction is good. The only reason to read genre fiction is to confirm that it's not worth wasting your time on, which should stop at the first or second genre fiction book that wormed its way onto your reading list.
are characters in the books given physiological descriptions (= more than just "lively eyes, she looked plain, red hair, quite tall etc")?
because I am watching Dune Part 2 and am quite shocked by how ugly all the females (girls) are... and that's only half the problem! their facial expressions are straight up repulsive
I do not understand
Pretty much just 'X hair, X eyes, X skin' etc. Chalamet and Zendaya are two of the ugliest fricking actors I've ever seen and that's enough for me to not watch Dune Part 2 unless I'm forced to by a friend group.
This is the most obnoxious complaint about those movies that you guys never stop repeating over, and over, and over.
Dune is a novel about the political dynamics and character developments of a huge and interesting cast of characters. And dude made a movie where no one ever talks for two fricking hours. Pick your favorite two actors in the world and that movie still would'a been a worthless piece of shit. I get it: you're racist. What a hot fricking take.
>you're racist
Last I checked Chalamet is the same skin color as I am. I don't care what ethnicity these people are, I still don't want to look at them. Your point of the movie being shit with or without good actors is correct though. I haven't seen the second film but the first film was more than enough for me to realize this trilogy is going to be Hollywood garbage.
thanks. I don't mind Chalamet as he's just a twerp bounced around by greater forces, but the girls seem to have been picked based on their ugliness..
>you're racist
Last I checked Chalamet is the same skin color as I am. I don't care what ethnicity these people are, I still don't want to look at them. Your point of the movie being shit with or without good actors is correct though. I haven't seen the second film but the first film was more than enough for me to realize this trilogy is going to be Hollywood garbage.
>I haven't seen the second film but the first film was more than enough for me to realize this trilogy is going to be Hollywood garbage.
he didn't say anything about ethnicity though... I am sure they could have found better lucking non-white girls if they wanted to
Christopher Walken and Javier Bardem... just wow... this is way beneath B-tier movie acting...
I love the part that takes place in the church, it blew me away when I first read it, its such an evocative scene.
agreed, probably worth sitting through the first 21 minutes just to see that... and then turn it off because literally nothing interesting happens afterward
I will be generous and avoid writing off the entire body as genre-slop (though such a dismissal would not be inaccurate or unwarranted.) and will say that the true value in Herbert's work is crystallized and defined simultaneously in God Emperor of Dune. From a literary and narrative perspective, the entire saga pre-GEOD should be considered an overly long introduction.
Whether God Emperor is worth such an investment is up to the reader but I personally enjoyed it enough to recommend it. Also, Dune Messiah is the midwit/shitwit filter.
second best book in the whole series and pure kino from start to finish
Both true.
If you want to keep reading, consider Children as a prologue of God-Emperor, which is the true masterpiece of the series. Spare some time and don't read the rest, OP.
It's more of an epilogue than a book
Messiah is probably the sloppiest of all six. A lot of it is Paul's internal struggle with prescience, and it's clear that Herbert struggled to write it. I think it's good, but only in the context of "frick I loved Dune and want more of that." Each novel in the rest of the series really can stand on its own legs. Messiah cannot. I think is pretty accurate, in that it's not a very good novel all by itself.
So far yes.
dunc of dune
The pivotal novel in a magnificent epic
it's a sad ending
> chosen one's wife dies giving birth to magic fraternal twins
hmmm
Every sane edition includes this as an epilogue that completes the first book, so yes
People praise it but idk, it was fine. It spends a lot of time on duncan idahos zombie clone, and i didnt give a frick about him.
It's horribly overrated like all the dune books but worth reading
best book in the series in my opinion, stop at Children of Dune. I know you will be tempted to read further and you’ll probably ignore my advice but just stop at Children of Dune (or God Emperor of Dune if you are desperate)
For some reason people on this board consider God Emperor better than book one.
Because it’s weird and IQfy is weird.
Yeah I don’t get it, Dune and Dune Messiah are masterpieces, Children of Dune is great but God Emperor was just Leto pontificating for half the book and most of it was trash. The parts that were actual plot were decent though, that book should have been the size of Messiah
God Emperor was one of the worst reading experiences I ever had because of Leto's smug rantings and how slow the plot is. Messiah is lean and straight to the point which makes me wonder how Denis can adapt it. I think Children could be adapted to the big screen, but God Emperor is a big no no.
Heretics seemed interesting, but God Emperor burned me out.
I like Denis, but deemphasizing dialogue for a series like Dune (which emphasizes philosophy, politics,lore, religion, and complex characters) might work well for a mainstream audience but is detrimental to the story.
He is also writing/directing the Rama adaptation, which thankfully works great with his strengths.
No genre fiction is good. The only reason to read genre fiction is to confirm that it's not worth wasting your time on, which should stop at the first or second genre fiction book that wormed its way onto your reading list.
yes
pretty logos if you ask me
are characters in the books given physiological descriptions (= more than just "lively eyes, she looked plain, red hair, quite tall etc")?
because I am watching Dune Part 2 and am quite shocked by how ugly all the females (girls) are... and that's only half the problem! their facial expressions are straight up repulsive
I do not understand
Pretty much just 'X hair, X eyes, X skin' etc. Chalamet and Zendaya are two of the ugliest fricking actors I've ever seen and that's enough for me to not watch Dune Part 2 unless I'm forced to by a friend group.
This is the most obnoxious complaint about those movies that you guys never stop repeating over, and over, and over.
Dune is a novel about the political dynamics and character developments of a huge and interesting cast of characters. And dude made a movie where no one ever talks for two fricking hours. Pick your favorite two actors in the world and that movie still would'a been a worthless piece of shit. I get it: you're racist. What a hot fricking take.
>nooo you can't dislike more than one thing about a movie
>you're racist
Last I checked Chalamet is the same skin color as I am. I don't care what ethnicity these people are, I still don't want to look at them. Your point of the movie being shit with or without good actors is correct though. I haven't seen the second film but the first film was more than enough for me to realize this trilogy is going to be Hollywood garbage.
>And dude made a movie where no one ever talks for two fricking hours.
Isn't that a great argument for why you should at least pick eye candy?
thanks. I don't mind Chalamet as he's just a twerp bounced around by greater forces, but the girls seem to have been picked based on their ugliness..
>I haven't seen the second film but the first film was more than enough for me to realize this trilogy is going to be Hollywood garbage.
he didn't say anything about ethnicity though... I am sure they could have found better lucking non-white girls if they wanted to
Christopher Walken and Javier Bardem... just wow... this is way beneath B-tier movie acting...
agreed, probably worth sitting through the first 21 minutes just to see that... and then turn it off because literally nothing interesting happens afterward
>physiological
meant to say physiognomical... but physiological works also lol
I will be generous and avoid writing off the entire body as genre-slop (though such a dismissal would not be inaccurate or unwarranted.) and will say that the true value in Herbert's work is crystallized and defined simultaneously in God Emperor of Dune. From a literary and narrative perspective, the entire saga pre-GEOD should be considered an overly long introduction.
Whether God Emperor is worth such an investment is up to the reader but I personally enjoyed it enough to recommend it. Also, Dune Messiah is the midwit/shitwit filter.
the last quarter of Messiah and first quarter of Children is the most kino
I love the part that takes place in the church, it blew me away when I first read it, its such an evocative scene.