if time is eternal then I think it's certainly possible that somewhere down the line all of this has happened before and will happen again. But this is philosophy, which is beyond the scope of empirical science.
Nietzsche is one of two academics mentioned by name in The Protocols of Elders of Zion as having produced works that are useful tools for demoralizing the goyims. The other was Darwin
>The Protocols of Elders of Zion
Plagiarized from a contemporaneous play about a dialogue between Machievelli and Montesquieu. Russians lied to you and you accepted it because your mind is weak.
infinities filtering morons.
it's a fricking possible infinite you imbecile. not all mathematical infinites.
with the laws of this universe, there's shit that is possible and shit that is impossible. you have 10^80 particles that you can arrange in a restrictive number of ways, even if forever. holy shit how is this filtering you so hard
infinite doesn't mean all the moronic shit your disease riddled mind can conjure
If your existence has been realized once here, it is possible, and therefore it will be realized an infinite number of times in the future. Infinite time means every possibility will be realized an infinite number of times
so.. how do you know anything is actually infinite other than.. thoughts we made up in math?
2 months ago
Anonymous
No, obviously the actual infinite cannot exist in reality, that would result in the transfinite arithmetical contradictions of Hilbert's hotel. This is only assuming a counterfactual state of affairs.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Universe itself seems to be infinite. Sure, we cannot really check that and I understand there is enormous difference between Infinite and "almost Infinite", but goddamn visible limit is maxed.
context and possibilities.
you have more chances of living the very same day as part of one of your lives, and each and every one of them has a perfectly identical day, perfectly blended in each life's story, than you are likely to have A FRICKING DEMON TORTURE YOU FOREVER.
do you understand how much more likely literally everything we know is possible is as compared to the moronic idea of a fricking god powerful basilisk?
you are more likely to appear on a random planet at some point after life evolves and exactly your brain is built than you are to spawn as a boltzman brain. you may spawn in gorrilions of more probable ways than you are as something completely moronic.
stop using infinites to justify mental fricking disease. it's not smart, it's cringe.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Consider that one day, for no reason whatsoever, you exist. In general, eternal recurrence merely posits that this one thing that just happened will happen again. The special case of eventually returning to this exact you is a materialist twist based precisely on limited configuration of n-based elements, where n,S<∞ .
I am not sure it really matters to you, but it is supposed to be inspiring.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>for no reason whatsoever
not science or even fricking reality. opinion discarded
1 month ago
Anonymous
NPC says they don't exist. Big surprise.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>says
not science.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I think the point of the infinitygays is that notions of "likelihood" (expressed in a number) lose their meaning in these cases, because it doesn't matter what you multiply infinity by, it's still infinity.
Though, the conclusions these people come to are so absurd that I'm much inclined to say infinities are just straight up not a good way of representing reality in this case.
Unless a magic entity manipulates reality such that the same events occur the possibility of current events being a repeat occurence is virtually zero, however it is correct that life is recurring and there is no "you", so to speak, all consciousness is the same thing, experience will come again in some other form some other time
reality is basically magic beyond any of your wildest dreams, but until you can come up with reasonable evidence that "you" couldn't have come to being as anything else in this reality capable of information processing, then it's very hard to consider otherwise, reality itself is both the consciousness and the material, but the consciousness can't do anything without the material, this is essentially what being "dead" is like, just nothingness, until another sufficiently capable information processing machine comes along, starts communicating the information and "you" are alive again as something else in some other time, any semblance of "self" is just an illusory construction of the material form, learned patterns which ingrain specific behaviours and preferences into it, but ultimately "you" are just reality experiencing itself, everyone and everything is, the only separation is between the material, not the consciousness.
Until you can prove that you are not a sentient turd that has somehow figured out how to manipulate electromagnetic fields including radio waves that allow you to make internet posts, I am just going to have to assume you are a sentient turd that has somehow figured out how to manipulate electromagnetic fields including radio waves that allow you to make internet posts.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting, if you don't have anything good to say you can go be a gay on >>>/x/
2 months ago
Anonymous
That sounds exactly like what a sentient turd that has somehow figured out how to manipulate electromagnetic fields including radio waves that allow you to make internet posts would post.
I can recognize your posts in nearly every thread. You did your homework and have asked yourself the hard questions and didnt give up until you had coherent, rational explanations to the questions few are smart enough to even ask. You have been initiated by the flame.
>reality itself is both the consciousness and the material,
No, material is reality, consciousness is imaginary, trying to square the two is complex.
2 months ago
bodhi
extremely low IQ post, literally everything you have ever known and experienced was only in your mind
2 months ago
Anonymous
Sure because i^2=-1, reality and imaginary are directly linked, but they are still two different things.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Spoken like something that clearly doesn't have a body and especially doesn't have balls that can be kicked to make pain that can't just be blocked out by the mind.
2 months ago
bodhi
even lower IQ post
2 months ago
Anonymous
You will never have a biological nervous system, bot, stick to talking about nonsense.
2 months ago
bodhi
negative IQ range, impressive
2 months ago
Anonymous
>I have no idea how IQ works despite it being the only thing I can seem to talk about every time I get BTFO on an actual topic of discussion.
2 months ago
bodhi
double digit negative IQ response
1 month ago
Anonymous
>6 hours of research and I still have no idea how IQ works, but I still desperately want to use it as an insult anyway.
1 month ago
bodhi
triple digit negative IQ response
1 month ago
Anonymous
>14 more hours of research and I still haven't learned anything, but I am still just as desperate than ever to seem like I have.
well we exist and we appeared out of nothing
there's gotta be "magic" involved somewhere, our conception of reality breaks down the further you zoom out
So why say unless, why not just a magic entity manipulates reality so anything could be anything at anytime and everything you observe is just an illusion caused by the magical entity?
2 months ago
Anonymous
because you don't know that
could be anything you can or can't imagine
2 months ago
Anonymous
>because you don't know that
So you don't actually know that "there's gotta be 'magic' involved", you were lying then, but you are telling the truth now.
2 months ago
Anonymous
lying about what?
no amount of advancement in our sciences will give us a proper understanding of reality, it's inherently nonsensical to the human mind
so there has to be "magic" involved somewhere, as in things we are not capable of grasping
2 months ago
Anonymous
>lying about what?
About what you know since you keep going back and forth between claiming you know something to immediately admitting you can't actually know.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I hear noises outside.
I know there has to be something making them.
I don't know what is making them.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't know
Exactly the answer is you don't know not that you know it has gotta be magic.
2 months ago
Anonymous
can you picture with your mind an universe that's existed forever with no beginning or end? no cause and effect, it just existed
what about zooming out infinitely and there is always more and more
zooming in beyond the microscopic level and there is always more
existence is inherently nonsensical, that is what I know
so there has to be something I can't understand going on
I don't know what that is and maybe I cannot know
2 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, I have played with mandelbrot zooms and other fractals, so that is easy to imagine.
Admitting you are just an ignorant dipshit is much different than admitting you definitely know reality is "basically magic".
Not necessarily if you assume both that somehow the conditions of the big bang come back at the end of the universe AND events are perfectly deterministic. Then this would be true since each time the big bang happens everything occurs the same way
They became a eternal entity because their chance to change is gone. Taking advice from a creature on what change is ultimately is not advisable. Best to understand that the opportunity to change is a gift regardless of the experience.
>you live your humdrum life an infinite number of times >but you also live the life where your lottery ticket won and you married your high school crush and lived to see your great-grandchildren an infinite number of times, too
I'm not sure this Nietzsche guy understood what "innumerable" meant.
This isn't meant to be taken literally. Demons don't exist, and neesha would be the last guy to believe in them. The point of the "demon' literary device is to extract a specific attitude one has towards life:
Many people who live have the attitude of everything being transient towards a grand future. Per Neesha, this is wishful religious thinking, but it is an attitude born out of the despising of ones' life. This kind of person would scream at the horror of being forced to relive their life again and again.
On the contrary, if you truly love being alive, you would be overjoyed to relive your life over and over.
Importantly, this also reflects the reality of being alive. You never experience your death, or any sort of "lack" of life. You exclusively experience what you have. There is no comparison from any sort of "outside", or external world. Any comparisons you make about life would necessarily be made from within your life, while living (money, power, etc). So, your only two choices are to accept or deny the basic significance of your existence. And This is what the literary demon extracts.
>Demons don't exist,
you dont know this and have no way to prove it one way or the other so you already failed in your attempt to sounds smart right out the ate. No need to read any further as you are a psued.
where did you even come up with the term/concept anon? they are only found in human minds. there's no clue or trace of such a thing outside humans (and their actions)
>aliens have never thought of demons!
lazy response for lazy arguments
1 month ago
Anonymous
the demons you are so afraid of are inside you, and others. they do not exist without the people manifesting their will. demons are a disease of the mind.
Unicorns don't exist >you dont know this and have no way to prove it
Tooth fairies don't exist >you dont know this and have no way to prove it
Loch Ness monsters don't exist >you dont know this and have no way to prove it
El Chupacabra don't exist >you dont know this and have no way to prove it
Succubi don't exist >you dont know this and have no way to prove it
Can you prove whether something exists beyond the scope of empirical perception?
1 month ago
Anonymous
If you mean like logically deducing heliocentrism and black holes before observation: no that's not proof and nothing can be conclusively (dis)proven anyway. That's why (dis)proving is sophistry.
>you dont know this... >you
I actually dont exist btw. This is you talking to yourself. I am in your head. I thought this thin veneer of anonymous imageposting would be convincing. Oh well.
This thought experiment doesn't make sense. If I don't have memory of my past lives then it's the equivalent of living my life once because well, it's going to feel like the first time every time. If I did have memory of my past lives, then that would drastically affect what I would do and what would happen.
kinda need some proofs the fricker can perfectly replicate all atoms decaying in the same exact precise order.
Please come back when you grad highschool
where argument
There's no argument to had, you're simply moronic. 'Durr the demon would have to show me evidence that.." lol you're a literal brainlet
if time is eternal then I think it's certainly possible that somewhere down the line all of this has happened before and will happen again. But this is philosophy, which is beyond the scope of empirical science.
Nietzsche is one of two academics mentioned by name in The Protocols of Elders of Zion as having produced works that are useful tools for demoralizing the goyims. The other was Darwin
who asked
checked and they suffer from basilisk derangement syndrome
Why would they need that when they already have the bibble?
>The Protocols of Elders of Zion
Plagiarized from a contemporaneous play about a dialogue between Machievelli and Montesquieu. Russians lied to you and you accepted it because your mind is weak.
Jesus christ is a hero
Yes, every case of deja vu is you remembering your past life
>I trust my brain in a broken state
why tho
Yes it's guaranteed given infinite time
infinities filtering morons.
it's a fricking possible infinite you imbecile. not all mathematical infinites.
with the laws of this universe, there's shit that is possible and shit that is impossible. you have 10^80 particles that you can arrange in a restrictive number of ways, even if forever. holy shit how is this filtering you so hard
infinite doesn't mean all the moronic shit your disease riddled mind can conjure
If your existence has been realized once here, it is possible, and therefore it will be realized an infinite number of times in the future. Infinite time means every possibility will be realized an infinite number of times
so.. how do you know anything is actually infinite other than.. thoughts we made up in math?
No, obviously the actual infinite cannot exist in reality, that would result in the transfinite arithmetical contradictions of Hilbert's hotel. This is only assuming a counterfactual state of affairs.
Universe itself seems to be infinite. Sure, we cannot really check that and I understand there is enormous difference between Infinite and "almost Infinite", but goddamn visible limit is maxed.
>it's a fricking possible infinite you imbecile. not all mathematical infinites.
If it already happened once then it's possible, dipshit.
context and possibilities.
you have more chances of living the very same day as part of one of your lives, and each and every one of them has a perfectly identical day, perfectly blended in each life's story, than you are likely to have A FRICKING DEMON TORTURE YOU FOREVER.
do you understand how much more likely literally everything we know is possible is as compared to the moronic idea of a fricking god powerful basilisk?
you are more likely to appear on a random planet at some point after life evolves and exactly your brain is built than you are to spawn as a boltzman brain. you may spawn in gorrilions of more probable ways than you are as something completely moronic.
stop using infinites to justify mental fricking disease. it's not smart, it's cringe.
Consider that one day, for no reason whatsoever, you exist. In general, eternal recurrence merely posits that this one thing that just happened will happen again. The special case of eventually returning to this exact you is a materialist twist based precisely on limited configuration of n-based elements, where n,S<∞ .
I am not sure it really matters to you, but it is supposed to be inspiring.
>for no reason whatsoever
not science or even fricking reality. opinion discarded
NPC says they don't exist. Big surprise.
>says
not science.
I think the point of the infinitygays is that notions of "likelihood" (expressed in a number) lose their meaning in these cases, because it doesn't matter what you multiply infinity by, it's still infinity.
Though, the conclusions these people come to are so absurd that I'm much inclined to say infinities are just straight up not a good way of representing reality in this case.
So given infinite time counting from 0 to aleph_0, how many times do you think t=0 occurs?
Unless a magic entity manipulates reality such that the same events occur the possibility of current events being a repeat occurence is virtually zero, however it is correct that life is recurring and there is no "you", so to speak, all consciousness is the same thing, experience will come again in some other form some other time
Your version of consciousness just sounds like a magic entity with extra steps.
reality is basically magic beyond any of your wildest dreams, but until you can come up with reasonable evidence that "you" couldn't have come to being as anything else in this reality capable of information processing, then it's very hard to consider otherwise, reality itself is both the consciousness and the material, but the consciousness can't do anything without the material, this is essentially what being "dead" is like, just nothingness, until another sufficiently capable information processing machine comes along, starts communicating the information and "you" are alive again as something else in some other time, any semblance of "self" is just an illusory construction of the material form, learned patterns which ingrain specific behaviours and preferences into it, but ultimately "you" are just reality experiencing itself, everyone and everything is, the only separation is between the material, not the consciousness.
Until you can prove that you are not a sentient turd that has somehow figured out how to manipulate electromagnetic fields including radio waves that allow you to make internet posts, I am just going to have to assume you are a sentient turd that has somehow figured out how to manipulate electromagnetic fields including radio waves that allow you to make internet posts.
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting, if you don't have anything good to say you can go be a gay on >>>/x/
That sounds exactly like what a sentient turd that has somehow figured out how to manipulate electromagnetic fields including radio waves that allow you to make internet posts would post.
I can recognize your posts in nearly every thread. You did your homework and have asked yourself the hard questions and didnt give up until you had coherent, rational explanations to the questions few are smart enough to even ask. You have been initiated by the flame.
>reality itself is both the consciousness and the material,
No, material is reality, consciousness is imaginary, trying to square the two is complex.
extremely low IQ post, literally everything you have ever known and experienced was only in your mind
Sure because i^2=-1, reality and imaginary are directly linked, but they are still two different things.
Spoken like something that clearly doesn't have a body and especially doesn't have balls that can be kicked to make pain that can't just be blocked out by the mind.
even lower IQ post
You will never have a biological nervous system, bot, stick to talking about nonsense.
negative IQ range, impressive
>I have no idea how IQ works despite it being the only thing I can seem to talk about every time I get BTFO on an actual topic of discussion.
double digit negative IQ response
>6 hours of research and I still have no idea how IQ works, but I still desperately want to use it as an insult anyway.
triple digit negative IQ response
>14 more hours of research and I still haven't learned anything, but I am still just as desperate than ever to seem like I have.
well we exist and we appeared out of nothing
there's gotta be "magic" involved somewhere, our conception of reality breaks down the further you zoom out
So why say unless, why not just a magic entity manipulates reality so anything could be anything at anytime and everything you observe is just an illusion caused by the magical entity?
because you don't know that
could be anything you can or can't imagine
>because you don't know that
So you don't actually know that "there's gotta be 'magic' involved", you were lying then, but you are telling the truth now.
lying about what?
no amount of advancement in our sciences will give us a proper understanding of reality, it's inherently nonsensical to the human mind
so there has to be "magic" involved somewhere, as in things we are not capable of grasping
>lying about what?
About what you know since you keep going back and forth between claiming you know something to immediately admitting you can't actually know.
I hear noises outside.
I know there has to be something making them.
I don't know what is making them.
>I don't know
Exactly the answer is you don't know not that you know it has gotta be magic.
can you picture with your mind an universe that's existed forever with no beginning or end? no cause and effect, it just existed
what about zooming out infinitely and there is always more and more
zooming in beyond the microscopic level and there is always more
existence is inherently nonsensical, that is what I know
so there has to be something I can't understand going on
I don't know what that is and maybe I cannot know
Yes, I have played with mandelbrot zooms and other fractals, so that is easy to imagine.
Admitting you are just an ignorant dipshit is much different than admitting you definitely know reality is "basically magic".
Not necessarily if you assume both that somehow the conditions of the big bang come back at the end of the universe AND events are perfectly deterministic. Then this would be true since each time the big bang happens everything occurs the same way
when I took a perc I had this same thought and I was cool with it
They became a eternal entity because their chance to change is gone. Taking advice from a creature on what change is ultimately is not advisable. Best to understand that the opportunity to change is a gift regardless of the experience.
Most of existence has been painful, and I have never experienced a moment of great joy.
But I still work in longevity research.
>But I still work in longevity research
no you don't because you are underage. Don't you have homework for tomorrow?
>you live your humdrum life an infinite number of times
>but you also live the life where your lottery ticket won and you married your high school crush and lived to see your great-grandchildren an infinite number of times, too
I'm not sure this Nietzsche guy understood what "innumerable" meant.
Sure why not
I already believe in a cyclical universe.
philosophy anon here.
This isn't meant to be taken literally. Demons don't exist, and neesha would be the last guy to believe in them. The point of the "demon' literary device is to extract a specific attitude one has towards life:
Many people who live have the attitude of everything being transient towards a grand future. Per Neesha, this is wishful religious thinking, but it is an attitude born out of the despising of ones' life. This kind of person would scream at the horror of being forced to relive their life again and again.
On the contrary, if you truly love being alive, you would be overjoyed to relive your life over and over.
Importantly, this also reflects the reality of being alive. You never experience your death, or any sort of "lack" of life. You exclusively experience what you have. There is no comparison from any sort of "outside", or external world. Any comparisons you make about life would necessarily be made from within your life, while living (money, power, etc). So, your only two choices are to accept or deny the basic significance of your existence. And This is what the literary demon extracts.
>Demons don't exist,
you dont know this and have no way to prove it one way or the other so you already failed in your attempt to sounds smart right out the ate. No need to read any further as you are a psued.
where did you even come up with the term/concept anon? they are only found in human minds. there's no clue or trace of such a thing outside humans (and their actions)
>aliens have never thought of demons!
lazy response for lazy arguments
the demons you are so afraid of are inside you, and others. they do not exist without the people manifesting their will. demons are a disease of the mind.
Unicorns don't exist
>you dont know this and have no way to prove it
Tooth fairies don't exist
>you dont know this and have no way to prove it
Loch Ness monsters don't exist
>you dont know this and have no way to prove it
El Chupacabra don't exist
>you dont know this and have no way to prove it
Succubi don't exist
>you dont know this and have no way to prove it
Can you prove whether something exists beyond the scope of empirical perception?
If you mean like logically deducing heliocentrism and black holes before observation: no that's not proof and nothing can be conclusively (dis)proven anyway. That's why (dis)proving is sophistry.
your intelligence doesnt exist
>you dont know this...
>you
I actually dont exist btw. This is you talking to yourself. I am in your head. I thought this thin veneer of anonymous imageposting would be convincing. Oh well.
This thought experiment doesn't make sense. If I don't have memory of my past lives then it's the equivalent of living my life once because well, it's going to feel like the first time every time. If I did have memory of my past lives, then that would drastically affect what I would do and what would happen.
nah