>EVs are the next big thing. Get with the times, boomer!
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>EVs are the next big thing.
>EVs are the next big thing. Get with the times, boomer!
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Chat is this real?
Electric cars existed 50 years before the combustion engine was even invented
Believe it or not, electric cars are easier to make than ICEs.
>batteries block your path
This anon gets it.
>hundreds of miles from home
>"hurr why can't you charge at home?"
Sometimes I understand the WEF's position when you have people just willing to give up their freedom and live in "15 minute" cities. If you're going to act like a slave, maybe you should be one?
block your path
ICEs are a million times more complex than EVs, moron.
>ICEs are cheaper
>ICEs are relatively low tech
>ICEs are literally a solved problem
>battery chemistry is difficult, expensive, high tech with unsolved issues and shit performance
>"ICEs are a million times more complex than EVs, moron."
Whatever you say moron.
>no retort
>"hurr you're a moron"
Let's see if you have sufficient IQ to learn.
https://www.google.com/search?q=list+of+common+fallacies
You truly are an excellent candidate to be WEF cattle, as what the other anon said earlier. Go straight to the slaughterhouse.
schizo
>posted from my battery powered device
>hurr why u use battery though?
I'm at my desk. But even if I was on battery, how does that change my argument?
>replies with anger, seethe, and insults
I guess you can't learn.
moron
>>ICEs are literally a solved problem
afaik ICEs could go up to 80% combustion efficiency still
it's around 45% now
ICEs are cheaper because they had 100+ years of R&D, some of which supercharged (heh) by the world wars, and literally thousands of factories mass producing them. Up until recently there were only 5-6 factories world wide that were mass producing batteries for EVs, though that is starting to change mainly thanks to the Chinese.
Why aren't they cheaper then?
Why the frick should I care if my car was "easy to make"?
because it CAN become cheaper
The first car to kill a pedestrian was also electric.
The first car where two guys practiced gay sexual experiments was also an EV. Really make you think.
what a dumb fricking Black person
Yes. These old electric cars had shittier range and speed compared to ICEs but the main issue with ICEs at the time was that the electric starter hadn't been invented yet so the only way to start the engine was to do it manually with a handheld crank which was very physically demanding especially for women and the elderly and it had a decent chance of breaking your arm. When the electric starter proliferated the electric cars disappeared quickly from the roads.
one word: range
two words: electric starter
you don't need a starter for electric cars. they just go. just that shit range. the reason ICE won was because of range. batteries in those times were shit
He's talking about electric starters for ICE.
Range really wasn't that important in the 19th century when roads were utter shit.
You typically only drove between your town house and the nearest city, or to friends in the area.
If you wanted to go long distance you'd safe the pain and take a train, or perhaps even a boat.
im still waiting for them to bring back steam powered cars and then pretend they are hydrogen fuelcell vehicles.
They already did that. I saw Alan Alda test drive a concept one years ago.
Shit thread. EVs are dog shit anyways. A full bag of compromises and lies to yourself.
>Haha who needs more than 300 miles range anyways, how often do you need that.
>Haha charging is a non issue 20 minutes is a nice coffee break
>Haha who needs heating in winter I just use my heated seats because I don't want to kill my range
>Haha who needs air conditioning anyways I just open the window when it's hot
Everything an EV can a gasoline fueled car already can and does the job better by a large margin. No need to @ me with stupid claims, go suck a troony dick in your fricking Tesla. lol, lamo even.
>>Haha who needs air conditioning anyways
Do Ameritards actually think EVs don't have AC?
anon is right. aircons in electric cars, much like other engines, consume this thing called "energy". it's as if you vantablack gorilla Black folk think EVs have overcome this hurdle? they haven't. another shit thing with EVs (especially teslas) is that you can't keep accelerating for long periods of time at high speed before the batteries overheat and thermal protection kicks in to speed limit the car. germans discovered this early on with their autobahn and unlimited speed limits.
>aircons in electric cars, much like other engines, consume this thing called "energy".
Wow, really? I had no idea. What an incredible revelation.
If only you could use the waste heat from the battery to heat the cabin huh.....?
i was watching these moronic old boomers on youtube a few months ago doing a road trip from sydney to western australia. over 3,000km trip and it took them nearly a week because they had to constantly stop to recharge whenever possible. they tried to claim it was still cheaper that petrol but when people asked about how much they paid to recharge at places they refused to say and then started deleting comments.
>when people asked about how much they paid to recharge at places they refused to say and then started deleting comments.
Boomers btfo.
I take a long trip almost every two months to go see my family (2000km round trip) and I couldn't live with low range and range anxiety. But saving on fuel it would be worth it, even if it adds 2 hours to the 10hr drive, as I currently spend over $120 in fuel for each leg of the journey.
You need to update your strawman. Almost all the things you've mentioned are outdated.
>Haha charging is a non issue 20 minutes is a nice coffee break
But you can charge the electric car at home? And as a result you never need to visit a gas station risking yourself getting robbed?
>>Haha charging is a non issue 20 minutes is a nice coffee break
Well, it's not wrong.
20 minute break every 4-5 hours is comfy, I tend to do it even with petrol cars, even eat at nice restaurants because I'm not poor.
And assuming you do at least 90% of all your charging at home you spend less time at a charging station than ICE drivers spend at petrol stations.
All those 5 minute fuel stops add up.
>assuming
cope language
>Haha who needs more than 300 miles range anyways, how often do you need that.
My comfy Kia EV has 600km range, dunno how much is that in muttland but I daily it to work, which is 25km away from home, and I mostly only charge it every two weeks or so
>Haha charging is a non issue 20 minutes is a nice coffee break
I literally never had to stop by and charge it in a station or something, maybe I will if I needed to drive more than 600km in a single day but thats unlikely, those are pretty shit copes
>Haha who needs heating in winter I just use my heated seats because I don't want to kill my range
Imagine strawmanning this hard, you think ICE cars don't consume more energy with AC you moron?
>Haha who needs air conditioning anyways I just open the window when it's hot
moron cope again.
>Everything an EV can a gasoline fueled car already can and does the job better by a large margin.
I don't need to service my EV every fricking 5000kms.
In fact there's barely any maintenance needed as the mechanism is simple and just werks
I don't have to stand in line in gas stations waiting for the gas israelites to suck my money with high gas prices, electricity here is cheap as shit.
>muh troons
Stay mad homosexual, EVxisters can't stop winning
>you think ICE cars don't consume more energy with AC you moron?
ICE's do have ample waste heat from the engine.
EV's with just a PTC header do lose a significant amount or range in winter.
But then many EV's have a heat pump that scavenges heat from the battery, motor(s) and sometimes even the electronics.
Tesla in particular is very good at using waste heat to heat the cabin and/or the battery as needed.
The better EV's only lose about 10-15% of range even in -30C.
It's a non-issue if you have 500+ km of summer range, you still get >400km easily in the absolute worst case scenario.
>My comfy Kia EV has 600km range
>50km commute
>maybe I will if I needed to drive more than 600km in a single day but thats unlikely
lel
what was the longest drive you ever attempted?
>you will drive more than 600km non-stop
Humans get tired more often than that. Also, it takes less than 20mins to charge from 10% to 80% for 800v chargers, which is a perfect time to take a coffee break.
~200km ride
>You're barely out of your home neethomosexual. How can you even feel relevant?
Thats the point you low IQ mongol, most people don't need to drive hundreds of kilometers daily for the 20min charge to be an inconvenience
>Just wait until you have to switch your battery, it's almost half the cost of your vehicle lol
The battey's life span is around 2000-2500 charges until the efficiency starts deopping rapidly, thats 600*2000=1.2 million kilometers at the least where it'll START to drop the range from 600km to maybe 400km.
Anything else?
yeah imagine boasting you HAVE to drive a lot of miles, constantly. that's such a moronic flex I can't even
"up to" 1000 miles range per charge, with solar delivering "up to" 40 miles per day.
You're barely out of your home neethomosexual. How can you even feel relevant? Just wait until you have to switch your battery, it's almost half the cost of your vehicle lol
What kind of battery did they use?
lead-acid
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_electric_vehicle
Boomers wouldn't have existed for another 50 years. This was during the silent generation or even earlier than that. At the point this picture was taken, I'm not even sure a good majority of America was even electrified outside of a few population centers like Chicago or NYC, let alone still fighting Edison and Tesla's stupid as shit DC or AC format war. And with battery tech of this era, you kind of needed to operate in an electrified neighborhood or you were fricked.
Lead-acid was the only battery tech that really existed in this era that was even close to rechargeable.
Did you forget about Nickle iron?
>1897
>boomers
I think that is far before boomers time anon. Also pretty sure they meant nonshit electric cars.
>Speed was controlled by means of a lever that provided three options: 3 or 7 or 9 mph (5 or 11 or 14 km/h), although a top speed of up to 12 mph (19 km/h) has been reported.
>The range on a full charge was approximately 30–35 miles (48–56 km)
Good enough for driving on the only suitable roads back then. But even modern EVs and their range are unacceptable for driving in most of the US.
And they had a range of about 7 minutes, right?
>measuring range in time
oof
the speed is variable
if only, lol imagine how many more BEES there would be.
>the part that is the problem is the red box, imo.
UK citizens of a certain age will remember these that have been around since forever:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk_float
the milkman passes in the street every morning at 6 oclock
>these that have been around since forever
Everyone's real biological father?
Why aren't they making bolt on conversion kits for gas cars to be electric converted?
I'm thinking something like an electric motor you bolt to your front diff and big battery in the trunk. Hook it up to the ECU with a switch and you can keep your engine off commuting around the city and switch it on when the battery gets low.
EV conversions are very complicated. The simplest ones include deleting the engine and transmission to allow for the motors and batteries, and cars with an already existing deep side skirt are preferable. Think you're talking about a hybrid conversion, but that's even dumber.
NiFe batteries in the US were invented in 1901, Lead acid was invented in 1859. If picrel is true, then that's not a possible tech in use at this time, or at best, highly improbable.
Why is a hybrid convert dumb? I have a truck, I don't mind loading the bed with a big battery and an extra motor if it means having a gas engine for long distance and electric for short commutes.
I'm definitely oversimplifying the conversion but that doesn't mean it's a dumb idea.
You think you're the first to come up with the concept?
Plenty of people have tried and it always ends up costing at least as much as a brand new EV but with worse range.
>You think you're the first to come up with the concept
No
>always ends up costing at least as much as a brand new EV but with worse range
I'm fine with that, I don't want to deal with the logistics of having two cars if I could retrofit my current one to be both. I don't need 300 mile range I need <100 miles and an option to charge at home at night when electricity prices are lower.
Then find a shop and have it done.
Shouldn't cost more than $40k.
Hybrids are more complicated than using either an ICE or electric, and don't benefit nearly as much as a true ICE or EV. You're adding on weight that neither system is fully able to use at any given time, which ends up compromising your range and performace in both modes.
>You're adding on weight that neither system is fully able to use at any given time
The biggest weight, a battery, can be used by both systems just fine. I don't mean a classic hybrid like a Prius I mean being able to turn off the car, switch over to electric/gas motor, start car and drive.
Any weight has this effect. Airlines have saved fuel by making everything lighter from the in flight magazine pages (when they had them) to the seats. Your car is the same, except the scale is much smaller. And I could go on a rant here about American car habits and the mentality behind American EVs, but I won't.
Could do what Edison motors is doing, and making an EV semi with a generator providing power to the batteries, but that's quite a challenge to retro fit into an already existing car.
>pictured: all the taxis one driver will need over a single shift
>not pictured: where all the batteries go after their 7 year life
>where should we put the electric outlets?
In the floor
>won't they get wet whenever someone spills water or mops the floor?
It will be fine, I'm sure water and electricity will be friends.
EVs will fail. They can be used in city only and their production is worse for the environment than common cars overall.
>EVs will fail
Three more weeks
>he doesnt know about the bridge collapses that shut down the major ports in which evs were exported/imported
lol lmao wheres the chart for 2023 and 2024.
Most EV's are sold in China and Europe where we have the charging infrastructure, not in bridge collapse land where they can't even afford to maintain roads.
It's almost admirable how Americans would rather live in a glorified third world country than have to coexist with more people who own a different type of car.
Yeah I mean, EVs are outdated tech, the combustion engine is superior in every aspect.
>all the ev defenders in this thread
Your cars literally would not exist without child slave labor.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2016/01/child-labour-behind-smart-phone-and-electric-car-batteries/
In a sane world western governments would put a hard stop to this shit. If that means no new Tesla or new iPhone this year, then so be it. Corporations can pay living, fair wages to adults working in environmentally safe conditions for their cobalt to make the batteries, or we can just do without the batteries.
But the world is insane, and you champion something that has no real use case because "muh global warming" while cobalt mines pollute and kill so quarterly profits can be higher.
>muh child slavery
>implying the world isn't already running on china's slave laborers
Nothing personal kiddo.
How about putting a hard stop to all slave labor by bringing jobs back home to America and refusing to trade with anyone who does not meet our standards on human rights and environmental safety?
>nooooooo
>muh stock price
>MUH QUARTERLY PROFITS!!!
>Oh no not the poor Africa kids!
Funny how the right never gives a frick about Africans unless it's about EV batteries.
Besides, not all EV's batteries use cobalt.
So if it's a mega issue for you you can just buy an EV with LFP batteries.
>hurr you're on the right
>durr you only care because it's batteries
Wrong twice. Let's see if you have sufficient IQ to learn.
https://www.google.com/search?q=list+of+common+fallacies
Go leave moron.
You don't even know how to install an OS why ar you even on IQfy?
Sodium batteries are already usable. It will only get better
Lithium batteries are fine too.
Lithium is plentiful and extracting it doesn't cause harm to the environment.
kek
where do all those batteries go again after their short life cycle?
>Oh no!
>Pools of salty water on a salt lake.
>Super toxic environmental disaster you guys!
is that where you plan to put all of the non-recyclable batteries after their short life cycles? throwing batteries into the ocean was supposed to be a meme anon
You recycle them, obviously.
Are you just pretending to be dumb?
recycle them right next to the wind turbines that last a few years at most?
are you pretending to be moronic or just really this disingenuous?
>bringing up wind turbines for no reason
as usual amerimutts don't actually care about the downsides of EVs and think everything is about their gay moron culture war
go worship the petroisraelite somewhere else
i accept your concession
Yeah Americans are weird as frick.
They pick one "side" and then model their entire life around opposing the other "side".
The food they eat, the cars they drive, the brands they buy, everything revolves around being in camp A or camp B - crazy.
not a burger but that seems to be working. which always stings upon realization
>car that runs for 50 years and you can repair yourself
>vs car that runs for 10 years and you dump the batteries into a landfill
you've literally bought into big oil propaganda
>car that runs for 50 years burning gasoline super inefficiently and makes your life tied to the whims of oil barons and foreign nations and their price fixing schemes
>becoming independent from that is "big oil propaganda"
>car that runs for 50 years burning gasoline
yes. unlike your sub-decade shitbox which goes into a landfill that you happen to get paid by big oil to pretend is clean.
I'm on EVs side of the argument but your EV will stop working when they decide it stops working. the downside is they're cucked as frick and it will only get worse. same as it happened with software, your car is not fully yours anymore. wouldn't be surprised it becomes illegal to drive one without GPS and constant internet access.
now the ICEs got that DRM disease as well. A friend of mine who's a fan of motorcycles told me some companies are selling motorcycles with restrictions in their ECUs that can only be removed by paying a fee.
>big oil is when lithium extraction
>big oil is when battery is not recycled
the year bp relabeled themselves, wanna guess how much oil they pumped out? how about non-oil materials? how about every year since? go ahead, take a guess.
even south park made fun of your dumbass for falling for this lol
>big oil is when it's non-oil
>if i call myself the anti-thing it means i'm not doing the thing except on paper where i'm still doing the thing!
>car manufactured in 2024
>runs for 50 years
lol.. lmao
See: can't even respond to what I said, can only repeat lines pushed by his "side".
Everything about the country and the markets and brands pushes us into that.
I don't intend to buy an EV, but your gay moralizing and FUD make it tempting.
So they’re actually outdated
>MMXXIV
>there are still tourists spouting the "electric cars are worse for the environment" meme
Not wanting to adopt early is one thing but goddamn. Sometimes I forget that americans are genetically incapable of higher thought.
>A once failed product is sure to succeed this time
analog computers are making a comeback
Consider the following: ICE cars will be illegal to drive in a few years, richgays and businesses will be able to get a tax stamp to keep their vehicles but everyone else will be forced to drive electric.
Literally the only reason to use an EV is ideological reasons. Its worse technology for most peoples use case. Imagine if every manufacturer was selling gas cars that took 30 minutes to fill up and could only go < 200 miles. Then a company came along and made a gas car that took 30 seconds to fill up and go for 500+ miles. Every other company would go bankrupt.
>30 minutes to fill up and could only go < 200 miles
Time to wake up and update your strawman, 500km is the standard range now while newer models come with 600km or even 700km range
>took 30 seconds to fill up and go 500+ miles
There's not a single ICE car that has that range unless its a hybrid, most of them do 250-350km on a full tank.
Why do anti-EV gays always need to lie to prove a non-existent point?
>There's not a single ICE car that has that range unless its a hybrid, most of them do 250-350km on a full tank.
lmao the absolute brain rot