*fails to develop written language across thousands of years prior to colonization*. Why though?

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Why though?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    *fails to develop written language across thousands of years prior to colonization*

    Why though?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      They're genetically low IQ.

      atrocious b8

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Dilate troony

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Lol?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            That's no way to talk about your mom.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You have autism don't you?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >genetically low IQ
        read Flynn

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Debunked

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Absolutely not. IQ isn’t like an intelligence stat in a video game. The IQ gap between Blacks and Whites has been gradually closing since the Civil Rights movement, which flies in the face in the idea that there is a genetically preset average “intelligence” that populations have.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Black IQ is still not par with hispanic IQ

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Where did I even claim that? And that depends on which black and Hispanic populations you’re even referring to. Black American median IQ is higher than most South America countries’ average IQ. The average IQ of the black American population is also higher than the average IQ of Mexico (although it’s only marginally higher).
            https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/20060619_IQ_ppt.pdf

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Black American median IQ
            pic related, the "black" americans they use for all their "black" studies

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >they're using mixed race blacks

            African Americans are mixed race, they're 15-24% white. Their IQ on average is lower than Sierra Leone's. So clearly, it's not a genetic thing.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It can’t not be genetic.
            And it within the range of Sierra Leone.
            You only care about IQ being malleable because westerners worship IQ.
            Let’s see how high and mighty IQ is when they die off.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Not a single pure black state anywherr has an IQ average higher than Black Americans

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The average IQ of Sierra Leone is unknown since only one very old study exists using an ethnic minority and there's no TIMS data to confirm it. Lynn and Becker's current estimation is 45.

            https://www.ulsterinstitute.org/ebook/THE%20INTELLIGENCE%20OF%20NATIONS%20-%20Richard%20Lynn,%20David%20Becker.pdf

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Not sure how anyone can take Lynn seriously, what with the extrapolation of mental asylum patients in Spain to Equatorial Guinea's average IQ
            and now ludicrous estimates like this.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >they're using mixed race blacks

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Common cope.

            >random ass image as proof
            classic

            >doesn’t know Rushton

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Rushton's work has been heavily criticized by the scientific community for the questionable quality of its research
            I do.
            "Confirmation bias" is what you are suffering from.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >"Confirmation bias"

            Literally presented a huge array of information from right across the spectrum of measurable human characteristics.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >which flies in the face in the idea that there is a genetically preset average “intelligence” that populations have.
            It doesn't at all. Averages can change over time just like genes can change over time

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            No they cant whites are smart as they were 10,000 years ago right now. Only inbreeding like what MENA did can dramatically change a racial IQ average.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            No, whites are not smart as they were 10.000 years a go. SOme whites were smart yes, but the average white doesn't even know how to replace a light switch in his home and has to hire an electrician.
            The ultimate proof that the average white person is moronic as frick tho, is simply look at the type of people they have been voting for to rule over them over the past 100 years, but in the last 40 years is even worst, white people are completely and utterly severely moronic

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            By smart I mean above 95 in IQ not genius you idiot. Whites have never been genius tier on average ever.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Whites 10,000 years ago had a genetic IQ of around 92.
            In the Middle Ages alleles associated with IQ began proliferating.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            > just like genes can change over time
            Genes within a population don’t change so significantly over the course of a single century.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            IQ is like an intelligence stat. IQ caps closing slightly is not proof intelligence does not derive from alleles which feet across populations.
            So firstly IQ gap is not closing. Everyone has gotten slightly smarter over the years.
            Secondly Africans in the US have European admixture which in a racial realist model would predict their IQs to increase.
            Thirdly IQ, like height, is determined by genetics and environment. Good nutrition increases height to its genetic potential. Education increases IQ to its genetic potential.
            No environment (that we know of) can increase IQ beyond its genetic limit.
            Just like no amount of good food can make a man who lacks height genes taller.
            Also to say IQ is uniquely non-genetic. This is absurd.
            Are humans smarter than apes?
            Yes.
            What’s the primary difference between human and ape?
            Genes.
            Genes vary across populations and likewise traits vary across populations.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            > So firstly IQ gap is not closing. Everyone has gotten slightly smarter over the years.
            https://sys.IQfy.org/derefer?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.brookings.edu%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F07%2F20060619_IQ_ppt.pdf

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Thanks for proving my point?
            black IQ is at its genetic potential as is White IQ. The gap still persists.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            > black IQ is at its genetic potential as is White IQ
            This statement is based on what exactly?

            You realize the study I linked is concerning American populations right? And White Americans shouldn’t be at their “genetic potential” since there are multiple white countries with higher IQ populations than the white American population.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            > Secondly Africans in the US have European admixture which in a racial realist model would predict their IQs to increase
            Yeah that’s absolutely moronic /misc/science. How much of an increase would this “race realist model” anticipate?How much it can be attributed to European admixture? Is European admixture a larger factor in increasing IQ than improved nutrition or an increase in literacy and early life academic engagement?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >/pol/science
            Which is real science evidently.
            >oh yeah well how much
            How much does a tall man from a tall family having children increase the height of the children if he has them with a small woman of a short family?

            >is it greater than nutrition
            Maybe?
            Europeans have a greater frequency of alleles which elevate IQ than Africans. When the two mix their children will inherit more of these alleles than a totally African individual.
            We have a cause
            A mechanism of action
            And a prediction which matches the result.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            You’re literally too moronic to even try to convince, and more importantly you don’t even have enough knowledge about this subject to try to argue about it. Stop being pretentious and actually study genetics academically if you want to discuss it.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Europeans have a greater frequency of alleles which elevate IQ than Africans. When the two mix their children will inherit more of these alleles than a totally African individual.

            This is funny considering that mixed inviduals tend to do worst on testing and mental acumes compared to monoracial black people. Like anon said you really are speaking from pseudoscience

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            nice fanfiction jamal

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >fanfiction
            >easily verifiable information if one searched up.
            Kek

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >fanfiction
            >easily verifiable information if one searched up.
            Kek

            Mixed people do better than pure West Africans.
            This is even observable with Whites and Asians with hapas being slightly more intelligent than Whites.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            No they don’t lol. Almost every mixed race invidual suffers in every category compared to monoracial people.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            most black people in America aren't African at all we are American Indian

            No slaves in the Americas and Arabia were black.
            Most in history were probably Chinese

            Arabia was know for selling white women as sex slaves

            The American south was full of white slaves who didn't get a national status until reconstruction it was common for white children to go missing and end up working on some plantations in the south

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            No, Arabia was never known for that.
            Circassians were memed for being beautiful girls that Janissaries took captive. But Whites were never enslaved on the scale of blacks or other West asiatics.
            Source on White slaves in the south?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >The IQ gap between Blacks and Whites has been gradually closing since the Civil Rights movement, which flies in the face in the idea that there is a genetically preset average “intelligence” that populations have.
            meanwhile you ignore twin studies
            do you have a problem, anon?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            There are cases of genetically identical twins raised in different environments and cultures having an IQ difference of ~1 SD.
            https://www.psypost.org/2022/05/psychologists-found-a-striking-difference-in-intelligence-after-examining-twins-raised-apart-in-south-korea-and-the-united-states-63091

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >The IQ gap between Blacks and Whites has been gradually closing since the Civil Rights movement
            It hasn't.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It has.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Nope it hasnt otherwise the violent crime rates of black and white adolescents would be nearly equal and they arent, nearly all adolescent impulsive crime is done by black adolescents, infact black female adolescents cause more crime than white male adolescents.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            This makes no snes when did violent crime rate=IQ?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            He's assuming people exist in a void because he's a zoomer with no sense of continuity.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Violent crime rate tells you IQ as the lower the IQ the more impulsive and violent a human becomes.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            and where exactly did you get this from?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Reality, chimps have much lower IQ than us and are violent and impulsive, most white felons also have lower IQs than the average white so there is a correlation with low intelligence and impulsive criminality.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Reality

            Just cause you say it’s “reality” doesn’t mean it is. Once again, where are you getting this from?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Utter nonsense.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            That is the case since it was wider in the past which is pretty obvious in the data.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        3pbp

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Germs had writing since 500CE moron

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Writing was invented in Egypt in 3000bc
        It took the white man until 600bc to have books in the medetarnean and 500ad in the north
        No. Random runic inscriptions are not equal to the library of Alexandria.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          compared to africans, Egyptians are White.
          Egyptians are multiple times closer to even Finns than to blacks.
          >library of alexandria
          you know they werent keeping books there right? It was a storage for pictograms, hieroglyphs, records written on papyrus scrolls and the few books there were written by greeks.

          also you never had symbols lol
          >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin%C4%8Da_symbols

          >Whitey
          obsessed, just take the L.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Egyptians are multiple times closer to even Finns than to blacks.
            lmao frick off white Black person

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            compared to africans, Egyptians are White.
            Egyptians are multiple times closer to even Finns than to blacks.
            >library of alexandria
            you know they werent keeping books there right? It was a storage for pictograms, hieroglyphs, records written on papyrus scrolls and the few books there were written by greeks.

            also you never had symbols lol
            >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin%C4%8Da_symbols

            >Whitey
            obsessed, just take the L.

            >we wuz brown
            Not even the Egyptians thought they were "white"

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            [...]
            >we wuz brown
            Not even the Egyptians thought they were "white"

            WE

            [...]
            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Writing_systems_of_Africa
            >develops several
            >adopts arabic before colonization

            im sorry incels itt cant get laid but seething at a continent you have never been to is not the solution

            They are West Eurasians, they are about as similar to Sardinians as Germans are, a little closer.
            Feel free to make WEWUZ memes about it like the petulant morons you are instead of being honest with yourself, reality, and I.

            > compared to africans, Egyptians are White.
            And compared to germanic snowBlack person Egyptians are black. What's your point?
            [...]
            >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin%C4%8Da_symbols
            These people have nothing to do with modern Europeans tho, we don't know if they even had fair skin.

            >compared to Germanic snowBlack person Egyptians are black
            ???
            Egyptians are closer to Komi Asiatics than they are to black lol.
            You'd need native Americans and Australian aboriginals to compare to Egyptians to get a distance even comparable to that betwixt blacks and Egyptians.

            >These people had nothing to do with modern Europeans
            Sardinians are approximately 80% similar to them.
            All Europeans share at least 1/3 of their DNA with Vinca and many share 45-50% with them.
            >we dont know if they even had fair skin
            We know their immediate ancestors tested positive for fair skin and their immediate descendants did so as well.
            also
            >skin color = race
            lets not be tards.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            KONIGEN UND SCHEISSE

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            so whats the response here? Obviously you dont actually care about evidence and reality.
            Egyptians are closer to the people who did the Vinca script than to blacks, closer to Europeans than to blacks by an extreme margin.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            These are Hyksos samples. Whites and Arabs were considered unclean by Egyptians and were forbidden from entering Egyptian temples.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >these are hyksos samples
            they arent and they have a range broader than the Hyksos period, some predate them others come after them.
            Ancient Egyptians were not black, they were not even West Asian, they were like a Southern Variant of Anatolian famers.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            WE

            https://i.imgur.com/34oIFGK.jpg

            *fails to develop written language across thousands of years prior to colonization*

            Why though?

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Writing_systems_of_Africa
            >develops several
            >adopts arabic before colonization

            im sorry incels itt cant get laid but seething at a continent you have never been to is not the solution

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            > compared to africans, Egyptians are White.
            And compared to germanic snowBlack person Egyptians are black. What's your point?

            They actually developed proto-writing first.
            >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin%C4%8Da_symbols

            another issue is that no Whites live in huts today, while Huts are not rare for blacks.

            >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin%C4%8Da_symbols
            These people have nothing to do with modern Europeans tho, we don't know if they even had fair skin.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Egyptians were white

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Random runic inscriptions are not equal to the library of Alexandria.
          >library of Alexandria.
          >Alexandria
          perhaps this should give you a hint as to where you fricked up

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        That's pretty recent compared to the Middle East.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >comparing people who were farming in 15000BC to people who only started in 300CE

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            That further proves my point. If Sub-Saharan Africans were left to their own devices, they would have developed their own languages. Agriculture was introduced to them much later than Europe, so they had less time to civilize. Examples like Ethiopia where they were exposed to civilization much earlier and have their own language.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Black folk were farming in Nigeria since 1000BC you moron

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Highly debatable, it's pretty widely accepted they weren't farming until about 2000 years ago

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Highly debatable

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            There's no evidence of farming before 2200 years ago, and there's no evidence for large farming before 2000 years ago in west africa. Considering how west africa was on the verge of an agricultural revolution during the arrival of europeans it's hard to imagine them farming 3000 years ago

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        That proves my point lmfao Egyptians had writting in 3000bc

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Literal Nubian and Ethiopian Black folk invented writing before Germs LMAO

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        That was developed by a Greekoid for the Goths

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Develop writing after the ascension and collapse of the Roman empire
        Cringe and dumb norfs

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >CE
        have a nice day, moron.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Jews originated in 1800BC. They had Yiddish. Later they became Europeans.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Yiddish is israeli German

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Wut. Yiddish developed in the Middle Ages. It's related to Middle High German, and something like 70-80% of its vocabulary is understandable to German speakers.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      They actually developed proto-writing first.
      >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin%C4%8Da_symbols

      another issue is that no Whites live in huts today, while Huts are not rare for blacks.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >they didn't develop writing they developed the thing before writing!
        Okay so they didn't develop writing and the groups that made them were wiped out

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          well neither did Egyptians. Hieroglyphic symbols arent writing anymore than Vinca symbols are.
          But writing is symbolism, just more uniform, more efficient, etc. Vinca werent wiped out, their descendants are around today.
          In any case, Africa had a much larger population than Europe, and thus a much greater chance of developing (if IQ is equally distributed), yet they didnt develop, in fact Europeans shot past them, Europeans went from the Mesolithic to the Modern in total uniformity while Africans still live in huts.
          >not all of them
          its not that 100% of Africans live in huts, its that if even 1% live in huts, thats still more than Europeans, no Europeans live in huts.
          even the Sami who larp as nomadic herders have electricity and settled homes they can go to.

          There are differences between blacks and Whites, dont let your pride keep you from seeing that.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Hieroglyphics were a writing system. They were a semanto-phonetic writing system like the systems used for Chinese and Japanese today.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            no, hieroglyphs are more like proto-writing than actual writing, its a set of many particular symbols more than a proper alphabet.

            The Neolithic farmers who created these proto-writing scripts/symbols are extinct. You know who isn't extinct? The Igbo

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nsibidi

            Unfortunately, it's unknown how old this example of native proto-writing is.

            >Vinca are extinct
            they literally are not, their descendants even live in the same region today and various European groups share upward of 80% of their DNA with them.
            >its unknown how old
            its not old
            also
            > In 1909 J. K. Macgregor who collected Nsibidi symbols claimed that nsibidi was formed by the Uguakima, Ebe or Uyanga subgroups of the Igbo people, which legend says were taught the script by baboons.[3] However, the Nsibidi of the Ejagham people predates these events and it is believed that Macgregor had been misled by his informants.[13]
            >taught by monkeys

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Hieroglyphs are writing you utter moron

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            this isnt the 70s.
            hieroglyphs are a transition between pure symbolism and modern written alphabet.
            Theres no need to die on the hill of whether Hieroglyphs were more similar to Phoenician lettering or to pure pictograms.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Thats cool but they were dexiphered in the 1800s and fully shown to be an alphabet that fully represents sounds and words

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            well thats nice, but theyre still not comprised of a written alphabet, they are pictographic symbols for a language.
            Sorry you went to college before the 2020s.
            go back to school, boomer.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Each symbol represents a written word or a set of letters
            You're 200+ years behind the knowledge
            Do you think Chinese people dont have writing?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            technically speaking they dont

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            this isnt the 70s.
            hieroglyphs are a transition between pure symbolism and modern written alphabet.
            Theres no need to die on the hill of whether Hieroglyphs were more similar to Phoenician lettering or to pure pictograms.

            well thats nice, but theyre still not comprised of a written alphabet, they are pictographic symbols for a language.
            Sorry you went to college before the 2020s.
            go back to school, boomer.

            Most early writing systems weren't proper alphabets. Semitic writing systems were/are abjads.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Guess what the hebrew word for alphabet is

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Alefbet. The Hebrew alphabet is still an abjad, since it isn't written with vowels.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Hebrew writes vowels

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            It didn't originally. israelites after 70 AD made a system of diacritics to indicate vowels because Hebrew literacy had declined so much.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Hebrew marks certain vowels without diacritics.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Modern Hebrew does today. It didn't in the past, at least not to the extent it does now.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The africans who still live in huts, do so out of their own choice. They're fully aware of industrial society, but they chose to be in their hut, living the same traditional lifestyle that suits them better.
            Wypipo mentality has evolved so little in the last millenium is hillarious. They just flip from one extreme to the other, but always keep the same methodology and forcing everyone into falling for their narcissism, hyper individualism, and that cancerous Whig liberal view that history is a linear straight line to progress ahahahaha

            Wypipo back then
            >Killing people in public executions for witchcraft, blasphemous claims, not being christian enough

            Wypipo now
            >hardcore atheists

            Wypipo then
            >homossexuality is a mental desease, people caught jerking off were sent to the looney bin

            Wypipo now
            >lgbt pride parades, and if you're against that it means you're homophobic and must be shunned from society

            Wypipo then

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >they do so out of choice
            proofs?
            >the traditional lifestyle
            VGH the trad child soldiers with outdated soviet guns

            White peoples mentality has been about coming to grips with the failed crusade to make Africans White.
            Africans will never be White no matter how much White people want that or Africans cope about it.
            >Rostows history is wrong
            probably
            >trad religion
            good
            >atheism
            bad
            >homosex is mental illness
            good
            >homosex not mental illness
            bad
            >wypipo
            seething, but Whites have the luxury of being insane about these things.
            also
            >White people then
            >black... bad
            >White people now
            >black... good
            which do you prefer?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >proofs?

            A lot of those people have access to cell phones and several other things.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            they dont.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The Neolithic farmers who created these proto-writing scripts/symbols are extinct. You know who isn't extinct? The Igbo

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nsibidi

        Unfortunately, it's unknown how old this example of native proto-writing is.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Linear A and B? Minoan hierogylyphs?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        None of them have been shown to be writing and that still doesn't change the point writing didn't exist in Northern Europe

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >None of them have been shown to be writing
          >Linear B

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          You are beyond moronic.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The guy pictured is white, not Greek

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >implying

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      this thread is the gigaest of copes, racism has been solved in favour of whites, the face of the world is due to one type of person and one alone

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The Irish had their own script in 700BC

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        No you didn't. Firstly its not Irish is Gaelic and secondly theres no evidence ofnit before the 300s.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      /misc/ btfo

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Cold climate stifles development of farming thus preventing written scripts

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >having seasonal weather that kills plants prevents year-round agriculture

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          You must be confusing Medi Europe with Germany Europe.

          No, it's due to the lack of native grain crops. European soils are fine.

          I never said anything about the soil moron.

          They do, and that's exactly my point. Europe had a great environment for agriculture. If grain crops had been present there from the start, they would've been set for earlier development. However, they were not, and this is just how things played out as a result.
          Sub-Saharan Africa, on the other hand, is just a poor environment on the whole.

          >Africa has poor soil

          How many fricking times will I have to post the african rice wikipedia article?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >How many fricking times will I have to post the african rice wikipedia article?
            That's specialized for shitty souls and bad climates and has ass yields which render it uncompetitive fir exportation? Other things like Fonio, Teff, and finger Millets do better but those are either regional dependant or don't have much if an export market. Also in parts if west Africa mass plantations by private companies, growers, and concessions during the colonial era have fricked the soil over due to mass monoculture and attempts at reverting it has varied. Africa in General isn't that good at growing western wheats and crops which us why trying to push wheat production by aid donors is a bad plan

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        No, it's due to the lack of native grain crops. European soils are fine.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >easy to grow high calorie grains don't grow in seasonal climates

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            They do, and that's exactly my point. Europe had a great environment for agriculture. If grain crops had been present there from the start, they would've been set for earlier development. However, they were not, and this is just how things played out as a result.
            Sub-Saharan Africa, on the other hand, is just a poor environment on the whole.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >grain wasn't present in europe
            >only near highly fertile floodplains in the tropics
            hmm
            hmmm

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >in the tropics
            No.

            ive toured at least 50 percent of the land, but thanks for living in a bubble and sobering my first hand experiences, cheers you need to go live life mate kek

            >ive toured at least 50 percent of the land, but thanks for living in a bubble and sobering my first hand experiences
            Even if I assumed this to be true, how would that support your claim? You've only toured modern Africa.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            the modernity is where the problems begin, the climate/environment/resource is what makes it so rich, not any arbitrary system

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >the climate/environment/resource is what makes it so rich
            Anon, you've never been to Africa. If you have, you don't appreciate the value of industrial fertilizer and food imports.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >you don't appreciate the value of industrial fertilizer and food imports.
            >caring about grotesquely redundant mass production when i would just be providing for me and my small family (MAYBE neighbours)
            are you moronic lol

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >caring about grotesquely redundant mass production when i would just be providing for me and my small family
            Nice imagined RP. That's not how pre-modern food production works. You want to have a ton of kids for two main reasons:
            1.) Farmhands
            2.) High turnover rate of youths in pre-modern Africa
            If your family is small and you're enjoying leisure like that, you're just waiting to die, and the exception to the rule.

            You must be confusing Medi Europe with Germany Europe.
            [...]
            I never said anything about the soil moron.
            [...]
            >Africa has poor soil

            How many fricking times will I have to post the african rice wikipedia article?

            >I never said anything about the soil moron.
            Alright. The climate's also fine for anything with a compatible temperature. I don't think it really takes 10,000 years to figure out which grains work in a given area.
            >How many fricking times will I have to post the african rice wikipedia article?
            Never seen it posted, but I did study exactly that. It's a sickly form of rice that's difficult to harvest (explodes when ripe) and naturally inclined to lodge while it's growing. Before recent modification, it only had 1/4th the current output. What are you hoping to prove?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            They were farming this rice since 1000 BC

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, and?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Farmhands
            ambition
            >High turnover rate of youths in pre-modern Africa
            lol what makes you think this modern shithole of a life is something worth living longer for? the shorter your stay the better, make as life as good as you can for the people around and yourself in the simplest way possible, live by the spirit, then you will transcend to the next life, "to die is gain to live is Christ", your mind is warped by maximization

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Southern Turkey domesticated wheat and they would have been semi arid subtropical weather, likewise corn in Mesoamerica was domesticated in semi arid subtropical environments, with dry summers and wet humid winters. Likewise rice was domesticated in tropical savannah. It seems the key for good natural grain production are hot summers controlled by oceans or large bodies of water preventing them from getting too hot and winters that don't drop below freezing and are relatively wet.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Southern Turkey domesticated wheat and they would have been semi arid subtropical weather
            Southern Turkey isn't even subtropical. Moreover, terrain plays a huge part.
            >It seems the key for good natural grain production are hot summers controlled by oceans or large bodies of water preventing them from getting too hot and winters that don't drop below freezing and are relatively wet.
            For ideal conditions, assuming you have appropriate soil, yes.

            >Farmhands
            ambition
            >High turnover rate of youths in pre-modern Africa
            lol what makes you think this modern shithole of a life is something worth living longer for? the shorter your stay the better, make as life as good as you can for the people around and yourself in the simplest way possible, live by the spirit, then you will transcend to the next life, "to die is gain to live is Christ", your mind is warped by maximization

            >ambition
            Retirement plan and work aides.
            >lol what makes you think this modern shithole of a life is something worth living longer for?
            No (You).

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Southern Turkey isn't even subtropical
            it was 11,000 years ago

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Who cares about that most if them cant even understand their audio language
    https://www.news24.com/News24/why-our-kids-cant-understand-what-they-read-20171209

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Writing languages were developed by brown, yellow an red races. Neither whites nor blacks developed their own writing systems.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Unironically this. People around the equator near fertile rivers developed science, agriculture, and writing. Pale barbarians north and blacks south didn't develop shit.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Humans have been constantly evolving their brains for our entire existence. The end result is the Caucasoid / Mongoloid brain.

    There is this concept of "behavioral modernity", which occurred some 50,000 years ago. No massive cognitive change like this affects all of humanity. Australoids and Capoids had already split off by this point. It likely affected ancient North Eurasians; the common ancestor of Caucasoids and Mongolloids including Native Americans.

    As a result, civilizations were formed by these people. One exception is the Bantus, who split off from their ancestor with North Eurasians slightly earlier and seemed to have substantial relatively recent cognitive changes leading to the Bantu Expansion. They never reached the sophistication to develop an original script though.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      > civilization means cognitive abilities
      > cognitive abilities means civilization
      Many human populations in history just refused to adopt agriculture and continue to be hunter-gatherers because it's more fun, and I'd say their "cognitive abilities" are much more superior to these who decided they're gonna spend their lives toiling the land and shoveling manure.

      Germs had writing since 500CE moron

      They adopted it from the Italics. By the same logic black people in Ethiopia had writing since way before CE.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Agriculture provides a food surplus year round, preventing starvation which is not uncommon among hunter-gatherers during harsh winters.

        To be an agriculturalist requires long term planning, which is something some indigenous peoples lack.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Agriculture doesn't prevent starvation, you're one crop failure away from it, while hunter-gatheres have many sources of food and can roam around. Early agriculture was even worse, required a shitton of labor and yields were minimal. It was practical only in some areas like alluvial plains.

          So my point stands - there's no connection between "cognitive abilities" and civilization as in settling down, adopting agriculture, hierarchical society, property and written language. All this isn't a somehow more rational choice than being a hunter gatherer with a lot of leisure time. Especially back at the beginning, when you have no benefit of the hindsight.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >There is this concept of "behavioral modernity", which occurred some 50,000 years ago.

      This idea that behavioral modernity existed only 50,000 years ago is bullshit. There's evidence that humans took part in modern behaviors like wearing clothing, fishing, grinding wild cereals for simple breads, and collecting crystals just for the aesthetics, and simple forms of art as early as 75-100kya, all within Africa.

      https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/12/091217141312.htm#:~:text=Summary%3A,more%20than%20100%2C000%20years%20ago.

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidbressan/2021/04/01/early-humans-collected-crystals-105000-years-ago/?sh=3b135d2127d5

      https://www.nationalgeographic.com/science/article/news-ancient-humans-art-hashtag-ochre-south-africa-archaeology

      https://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/behavior/getting-food/katanda-bone-harpoon-point

      https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/evidence-of-fur-and-leather-clothing-among-worlds-oldest-found-in-moroccan-cave-180978689/

      And for the last time, Bantu does not equal "all black people who aren't Khoisan or Pygmy", Bantu speaking people are descended from West Africans, who in turn are distantly related to Nilotic Africans and pre-admixed Horner Africans. None of these groups are "Bantu", as Bantus only came to exist between 2000-5000 years ago. Calling all black people Bantu is like calling all Indo-Europeans Germanic.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >modern behaviors like wearing clothing, fishing, grinding wild cereals for simple breads, and collecting crystals just for the aesthetics
        Thats primitive behavior

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Thats primitive behavior

          Name one other species of humans before us that developed all of these behaviors. I can only give Neanderthals clothing and art (they had cave paintings), as well as developing pitch, and homosexual erectus only had one known piece of art. Going out of your way to collect crystals for potentially spiritual, ritual, or "just because they're beautiful" is strong evidence that early homosexual sapiens thought in an identical sense to modern homosexual sapiens today.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Monkeys literally steal random shit

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Ah, so just one thing then?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      People weren't even conscious till the bronze age collapse.

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    writing and maths was invented to account transactions and solve disputes about land.
    in a society where there was no commerce, all essential good were readily available and the concept of owning land didn't exist then the fact that writing wasn't needed becomes obvious

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Its worth asking, if I gave you 100% control of an environment surrounding a black person, but I get 100% of control of what alleles they have, do you think you could environment their way to success no matter what alleles I gave them?

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They're less intelligent as proven by every standardized intelligence test going back over 100 years.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Wrong
    https://www.bl.uk/west-africa/articles/language-script-and-symbol-in-west-africa#:~:text=The%20Tifinagh%20script%20is%20of,at%20least%201%2C500%20years%20ago.

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Whites' aren't capable of The Oral Tradition, tiny pp's and heads.

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Wakanda will never exist. You will always be a mentally ill leftist pedophile.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      You will always be a social parasite that will never have children.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Heavy projection from the group with a fertility rate of -40%

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Which group is that? I can safely say that you /misc/tards regardless of nationalisty are all a bunch of compulsive masturbators and social parasitic scum

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            everybody on /misc/ are blacks?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Everyone who disagrees with you is pol right

            > black IQ is at its genetic potential as is White IQ
            This statement is based on what exactly?

            You realize the study I linked is concerning American populations right? And White Americans shouldn’t be at their “genetic potential” since there are multiple white countries with higher IQ populations than the white American population.

            >based on what
            Based on trends in first world countries. There are little to no environmental barriers to IQ maxxing.
            Increasing intelligence becomes about allege frequencies now.
            Also do you just not think poor geniuses exist or that wealthy people can be stupid? IQ is very obviously a result of allele frequencies (as basically all things are).
            >multiple White countries with higher IQ
            White Americans are not all the same nationality.
            White is not a nationality, it’s continental ancestry. And genes vary across populations even if they share continental ancestry.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Wakanda is a fictional country from a Marvel superhero franchise. Of course it doesn’t exist.

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >develops musculature instead
    Nufin personel

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Blacks are a physical race. This is why they made such good slaves in the field.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >random ass image as proof
        classic

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Other races already KNOW brother. Anyone bought up around blacks knows. The science just confirms the everyday experience.

          Are you one of those 'they're good at athletics because they're poor/uneducated/from the hood/victims of racism, etc....

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Rushton's work has been heavily criticized by the scientific community for the questionable quality of its research
            I do.
            "Confirmation bias" is what you are suffering from.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            That actually is true, but I still believe they naturally aren’t as smart. Not that guy

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        most slaves were "white" or slavic

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          No slaves in the Americas and Arabia were black.
          Most in history were probably Chinese

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Some of these are flat-out incorrect, like size of genitalia (black men aren't really different from white men) and mental health (which isn't even qualified).

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >size of genitalia (black men aren't really different from white men)

          I can't tell you how many leftists/rightists use this cope. The physical nature of blacks frightens them. That's society's fault for freeing them. Now we're forced to believe everyone's the same because the alternative opens a can of worms.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not scared of any race. I just have eyes and an internet connection.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            No ones afraid of blacks. They are afraid of mobs of blacks with a monopoly on physical violence and mobs of Whites/Jews with a monopoly on social economic and political violence.
            It’s near illegal to use self defense against blacks these days. That’s what’s intimidating.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            By which law?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Blacks are speedsters and also made awful slaves

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          If they were awful slaves why did plantation owners bother?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Because they were desperate evil scumbags

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >white people are suspiciously moderate in everything

        Bullshit.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        White countries tend to dominate strength competitions though.

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    That black dude (Tyson beckford) is half chinese.

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    NTA but seeing some of the ways you guys banter or argue in this thread is unironically fricking funny.

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    This is a moronic one to get at them at because most places never did indepently in a meaningful way, including "whites" (I'm assuming this just means West Euros in this sense)

    If stupid pictograms are the same as written language than someone could asspull blacks having written language before lol.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Writing has independently evolved four times in human history: Chinese Characters, Egyptian Hieroglyphics, Cuneiform, and Mesoamerica glyphs.
    All writings stem from these four and Sub-Saharan Africa was largely isolated from the Mediterranean basin by the Saharan Desert, so they didn't get the same sort of cultural diffusion as the Greeks or Romans or Indians did.
    Also, Aksum made Ge'ez based on South Arabian scripts.
    >inb4 "Ethiopians are white"
    No one is looking at an Ethiopian and thinking that they're anything other than black.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Ethiopians are closer to West Eurasians than they are to West Africans.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Cool still black

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          are these individuals black?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Do they NATURALLY have black and African features?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          are these individuals black?

          Do you consider this Somali man black?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            He'll pass in most parts of Europe.

            Heck he would even pass in UK as welsh, irish or scottish. He can pass in france too.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Imagine him stealth breeding white women. They won't even know their kids are half African until it's too late.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            But he is White himself.
            Do you consider the African American Elon Musk to be African and therefore not White?

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Not that OP
            I'm skeptical of this image, maybe its the european mixture, but I have never in my life seen a somali or ethiopian that white. They are definitely lighter skinned, but this isn't your average somali or ethiopian.
            >Italian
            Makes sense historically.

            The lighting may also be making his skin much lighter than it is. Either way, this man is an anomaly, but if those are truly his results (not that OP) he's technically mostly black but he'd at worst come off as mixed and at best straight white.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >Ethiopians are closer to West Eurasians
        Fundamentally untrue. Can't believe this is still used as a cope when Ethiopia has been in shambles for so long too

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Fundamentally untrue.
          North Africa and the horn are both located near the same area that had human populations leave and enter Africa at various points of history.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Actually add west Africa to that as well, hell technically all of Africa has distant OoA ancestry.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Look, Ethiopia is closer to West Eurasians than to West Africans.
          Ethiopians are closer to West Eurasians than to the Ancestors of African Americans.
          The 25% Irish black Americans have is actually their only link to Ethiopia, because that 75% black (West African) is farther off.

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They are dumb as rocks.

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Isolation and Low population density for the majority of history meaning that higher levels of organization didn't need to be established. By the time population was high enough and trade routes deep enough into the continent other writing systems from other languages had already come to dominate. In the 1900s the entirety of the continent only had 100 million people and Europe had 300 million within a far smaller area.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The entire New World debunks every excuse you just typed up. Blacks are the oldest fricking human racial group on Earth they had the LONGEST amount of time to develop society compared to every other fricking race on this planet thats why we call blacks failures.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        But both Blacks and Amerindians developed extensive societies? I'm referring to written language. Both had multitudes of spoken languages, but relatively few organic written scripts. Africa had Ge'ez, which descended from ancient South Arabian, adinkra symbols, nsibidi and that used Arabic characters as far as I know scripts. The only native script that I know of Amerindians are Maya Hieroglyphs. Africa was in throughly in Iron Age while the Americas were in the Stone Age. I really wouldn't consider Africans failures, considering you only know of Native Americans from the various accounts of the civilizations that extinguished them and feel guilty enough to tell their stories in the first place.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >nsibidi and that used Arabic characters as far as I know scripts.
          It did not. You're thinking of Ajami script, which the Hausas use.
          >but relatively few organic written scripts.
          How many places in the world actually had organic written scripts?

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >White people when they see that black specimen sweating in the hot sun

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      oops wrong pic

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >no one else can have blacks kun they are mine I’ll murder anyone who even thinks of touching him

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >leftoid projection; the post

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >Emancipation what?!

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    They didn't even have anything worth writing down lol, lmao even

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Hello teenage girl

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    whats the need for language when youre constantly on vacation? life pre colonization is more or less kino if you are wise enough to avoid conflict, a world devoid of ambition, it is a literal paradise

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Anon, don't fall for the fruit tree meme.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >fruit tree meme
        i have no idea what that means mate kek have you ever been to africa?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Not in person, but your characterization of Africa is way off.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            ive toured at least 50 percent of the land, but thanks for living in a bubble and sobering my first hand experiences, cheers you need to go live life mate kek

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            inb4
            you need to go live life mate kek

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    It's weird you say that when even Euro explorers straight up said that lol.

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What if Sub-Saharan Africans DID have written languages in the past, but the mediums they wrote them on didn't last long?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >What if Sub-Saharan Africans DID have written languages in the past, but the mediums they wrote them on didn't last long?

      It would make sense. Now, there is something that a secret society in Central Africa called the Bambudye (ran by the Bantu Luba people) that allows them to record past events with beads and other physical objects.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lukasa_(Luba)

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