FEDORA 40 IS UP
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Fedora-40-Available
https://fedoraproject.org/
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FEDORA 40 IS UP
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Fedora-40-Available
https://fedoraproject.org/
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mmh gnome or kde? that is the question
Fedora is build by gnome, for gnome.
KDE still works fine? I've heard KDE devs themselves recommend Fedora KDE.
I haven't used KDE on it, but gnome is the default DE.
Just upgraded my system, go the new KDE version, here are my initial thoughts :
>my bottom panel is gone and my top one is now floating
>overview is now really sluggish
>krunner displays empty space when searching for things
>I cannot add my nextcloud account due to a crash
>CalDAV sync still doesn't work
>X11 session is gone
>gestures still aren't customizable
>xwayland video bridge still doesn't work
I added the X11 session back, and the overview effect only showed a black screen.
I went back to 39 and will stay on it until plasma 6's wayland issues are fixed, I had issues on both intel and radeon graphics. Plasma 5.27 is in a much better state than 6.0.x.
Fedora 40 is not a good release as far as KDE is concerned. It's still better than KDE Neon though.
>mfw using Fedora 40 KDE since it was "branched" with zero issues
Literally a (You) problem
It works well under Wayland, like 5.27 did. I'm just kind of disappointed the issues It had under 5.27 weren't fixed. The big improvements that were put front and center like the overview and krunner have polish and/or performance issues.
The X11 session saw some regressions as well, the overview doesn't work when using EGL. It's not as bad as KDE 4 was in its day, but the few issues it has are pretty glaring, coming from the much more polished state of 5.27.
I don't think it's a hardware issue on my end, as my experience was consistent across intel and amd integrated and dedicated graphics.
Just get use whatever comes with a desktop you like, has up-to-date versions of the software you need and updates on a schedule that works for you. Fedora has editions with all major desktops, has a new release every 6 months and has fairly new packages without compromising stability, it's a good choice.
40 KDE with wayland is working flawlessly for me. Amd cpu and gpu.
https://fedoraproject.org/spins/
KDE obviously
KDE is the way.
>Fedora is build by gnome, for gnome.
theres discussion right now in changing gnome for KDE as the main line distro
>theres discussion right now in changing gnome for KDE as the main line distro
>discussion
some rando brought it up, it's not happening
but should happen. KDE is just better looks better feels better.
>some rando brought it up, it's not happening
Important people are part of that discussion. And by the way it's not changing it to THE main DE. It's making it a main DE alongside GNOME.
kde is garbage but 40 ships plasma 6 if you want it
Neither, if you want X11. XFCE or staying on 39 would probably be the best while Wayland gets its shit together
It's Ubuntu, but good
>up to date packages
>inplace upgrades just werk
>stable thanks to corporate support
What else do you want?
X11 was still there for me on gnome after the update
Maybe it only affects fresh installs then? Or your upgrade didn't work? They did make it clear that they wouldn't be supporting it anymore and that it'd be removed from the repos
Nah they're dropping it with 41, I think the KDE spin might have dropped already though.
I'm gonna be the contrarian and say that I use Fedora with Gnome and man does it Just Work™. I actually used the KDE spin for a while but ended up going back to Gnome which is the last thing I was expecting to do.
1.gnome shit
2.red hat shit
3.IBM shit
4.Spyware shit
bippy
Legitimate question, why use Fedora? I mean what actual benefits does Fedora offer compared to other distros? I've never used it because it just seems pointless to me.
#1 - very competent dev team
Up to date packages, security/bugfix tags on packages, most packages you would want are in the repos, easy to build packages
>Up to date packages, most packages you would want are in the repos, easy to build packages
All of these apply to multiple other distros, such as Arch.
Not sure what the security tag thing you mentioned means, but since Fedora was the only major distro vulnerable to the xz exploit, I think that's a black mark in their security record.
>#1 - very competent dev team
>such as Arch
You can add the tags when you update and only get security or bugfix updates rather than every single package that's been updated.
>but since Fedora was the only major distro vulnerable to the xz exploit
Weren't Ubuntu, Debian, and OpenSUSE also affected?
noe
Idiot, only Fedora Rawhide (the not-for-end-user rolling release version) was affected, not Fedora proper. If you go by the same definition then Debian Sid also got it.
noe
???
https://news.opensuse.org/2024/03/29/xz-backdoor/
https://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2024/msg00057.html
https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/noble-numbat-beta-delayed-xz-liblzma-security-update/43827
>but since Fedora was the only major distro vulnerable to the xz exploit
not true, there was opensuse too
you can do that on Arch too anon
>you can do that on Arch too anon
wiki link or link?
just type "yay" in your terminal to update and it lets you select packages you don't want to update
That's not the same. You don't know what those updates are for. In fedora you can do
dnf upgrade --security
and it will only pull in packages that were updated to fix security vulnerabilities. You can go further and specify the security level like Critical or Important.
right, you're correct. never used fedora before so I didn't know that was what you meant kek
the frick is yay?
t. arch chad who has never used aur
>t. arch "chad" who has never used aur
Why even use arch then?
it just werks, aur makes it not werk
Distros that never had the backdoored XZ
>Ubuntu
>Debian
>Fedora
Distros that had backdoored XZ but weren't vulnerable due to configuration
>Arch
>Gentoo
Distro that had backdoored XZ and was vulnerable to it
>openSUSE Tumbleweed
Get it right.
>mfw on opensuse
just typed sudo zypper dup and my system installed the backdoored library opensuse send a rollback package that same day. but i just made a clean reinstall since god knows what the chinks had in that package that is the consequence of using a rolling release distro
i dont like IBM nor RedHat and fedora is just their guinea pig, hope that helps
Already? damn guess it's time to get Plasma 6 on my machine
How is fedora pointless when if it wasn't for them Linux as a whole would be stuck on fricking CLI? they are the one doing all the fricking heavy lifting, Xorg, Wayland, GTK/Gnome, Systemd, Grub. Plymouth, Nvidia open source drivers/firmware, the kernel, Linus Torvalds uses it too, and a bunch of more shit, they are the LINUX
>How is fedora pointless when if it wasn't for them Linux as a whole would be stuck on fricking CLI? they are the one doing all the fricking heavy lifting, Xorg, Wayland, GTK/Gnome, Systemd, Grub. Plymouth, Nvidia open source drivers/firmware, the kernel, Linus Torvalds uses it too, and a bunch of more shit, they are the LINUX
Okay, this more or less confirmed my suspicions that people use Fedora because they have no idea what they're doing. The same reason people still use GNOME.
>they are the LINUX
shh don't tell that to freetards, they still think their commie OS of "choice" is some rebellion against big tech when in reality it has been co-opted by corporations for over two decades
>Wayland
>GTK/Gnome
>Systemd
>Plymouth
Holy shit I hate Fedora now.
It is pointless from the user's perspective. The fact that they contribute heavily to open source doesn't make Fedora a better option than Ubuntu or OpenSUSE.
Just updooted to 40 KDE, not sure if it's just me but feels like it works slightly faster now
I've wanted something like Ubuntu but without snap shit
For one, packages are barely meddled with, same goes for themes and aliases et al and I've also never once had to deal with dependency hell
Does not peddle non-free shit like snap, devs help with free ecosystems (flatpak, podman) instead
Just werks.
Same thing as Ubuntu, without snap and with vanilla gnome. Top AND side bar in a DE that doesn't need it is just a ridiculous waste of space.
>shit you can change in 2 minutes
who cares
>gnome
who cares
There's no alternative for me.
>Highly unlikely to dick me over
>No snaps
>KDE support
>Updated frequently every 6 months so gaming will be good
Arch would be a good alternative but the whole "check for manual intervention on updates" thing I can't be bothered with. It updates so often im not going to fricking arch.com or whatever and sifting through the patch notes each time in case I get fricked. In fact it's likely I'd read them, not understand a thing, get fricked anyway lol.
An immutable distro based on arch would be very interesting to me. Something that assumes it will frick up at some point but it's okay there will be an image for me to go back to 🙂 where it works again! A bit like Fedora Atomic.
There is some, only one I know is Arkane
https://arkanelinux.org/
>Gnome
Fricking Linux devs are all mentally ill
Same though I use nobara instead
You get to be part of the Red Hat team and help build a better future for the Linux desktop. 🙂
podman and flatpak sold me to fedora. Been using it since version 16 and never really had to switch
Just the right update window. Not to fast that you want to cut your dick off and also not so slow as debian that you get ancient packages
They were the ones that introduced the concept of inmutable distros to the mainstream.
>what actual benefits does Fedora offer compared to other distros?
Fedora tries out features years before they become mainstream and get adopted by most distros. Also, is a distro that offers a 100% open source default, yes, legal shenanigans may affect it but being realistic, sooner or later software regulation may get more strict in some countries, so better have Fedora and not reinvent the wheel.
Staying on 39 for now since I heard bad things about Plasma 6's launch on other distros.
I updooted a few days early in a rare show of (quite unfounded) faith. Plasma 6 is wonky, mostly because of wayland's shittiness, but a couple other issues are just KDE things. Plasma/wayland was not yet ready for prime time.
Make sure to read the new Redhat Allyship Commandments before you install and donate to BLM!
I like Fedora with XFCE. It supports the dual battery setup on my Thinkpad.
dnf is easy to read and use, where as apt looks like trash.
Ubuntu enforces snap packages
Distros like Mint claim to be free of snap's bullshit, but you're either going to use the flatpak or "just use the version from 5+ years ago bro"
Both flatpak and snap suck ass due to simple software like Audacity taking over 700MB.
Debian is too dated, and not suited for desktop use.
I don't want to update my system files 5 times a day like it happens on Arch based distros.
RPM packages are the best.
>I don't want to update my system files 5 times a day like it happens on Arch based distros.
you don't have to kek
I update my laptop once every couple weeks and that works fine
When it comes to Fedora I frequently hear 2 complaints
>SELinux
>RPMFusion Mesa issues
Can any Fedora user comment on these?
>SELinux
It's problematic, it's just too aggressive for a normal user
>RPMFusion
the mesa problems are only with Nvidia, but where doesn't Nvidia acts like a b***h?
>the mesa problems are only with Nvidia
I thought NVIDIA didn't use Mesa
What does SELinux actually do to get in the way, though?
>What does SELinux actually do to get in the way, though?
It's preventing me from hibernating right now.
Here we go
crops up here and there, Ive had it come up when giving local volume access with root permissions to a container
Unironically what's the use case for hibernating in 2024?
Suspend is broken on newer laptops, you lose a lot more battery as most components are powered when the system is suspended, while only RAM was kept on when s3 sleep was the standard.
With hibernation you can quickly restore system state without the power draw of modern suspend.
Packages compiled to make use of "modern" instructions like AVX or SSE4.2, things like python or databases show some pretty decent gains. Right now everything basically targets the same instructions the Athlon 64 had in 2003.
Mostly fine. Krunner is a bit faster, the Qt6 apps look nicer, the new overview is a lot more usable (closer to GNOME's), but it is a bit choppier. Honestly you're not missing much if you stay on 39, plasma 5.27 is in a very good state and the biggest new feature, HDR, isn't usable yet.
If you dislike SELinux
grubby --update-kernel ALL --args selinux=0
and reboot, that's it
>SELinux
It's not really a complaint about Selinux, but people complain about defaults, most of them can't change Selinux configuration and decide to distro hop.
>RPMFusion Mesa issues
It removed hardware support for h264/h265/avc codecs due to legal shenanigans, you can replace them and move on. Again, it is a default.
>the mesa problems are only with Nvidia
No, it has explicitly affected anything using open source drivers, specially AMD. Nvidia carries its own codecs with the proprietary driver.
>It removed hardware support for h264/h265/avc
I am talking about RPMfusion's Mesa, the nonfree version
Here's some of the complaints I'm talking about
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/131u1n6/mesa_freeworld_maintainers_need_to_start/
https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/132u5gs/fedora_users_with_rpmfusion_and_mesafreeworld/
where is my damn button?
>relying on GUI
ngmi
Use the dnf plugin
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/upgrading-fedora-offline/
>plasma spin on 6.0
It's not stable yet though
plasma update 6.1 is in may or something. it will fix alot of things including nividia stuff
Now that Plasma 6 has been mostly ironed out, KDE just outright mogs Gnome. I would love to see download stats for Fedora, because I'd be shocked if KDE wasn't #1 right now.
>mostly ironed out
The redone effects like the overview still exhibit worse performance than they did on Plasma 5.27. The nextcloud and CalDAV integrations are still boroken while they work flawlessly on gnome. Plasma 6 is a step back in some key areas. Say what you will about GNOME, but as slow as it is to adopt new features, it is stable and didn't suffer as many regressions from 45 to 46 as Plasma did from 5.27 to 6.
I just updated and it broke my hibernation (which I already had to specially set up because fedora disables it)
I'm waiting for Bazzite build
Does 40 have optimized v2/v3/v4 packages or not?
How can I test it?
You can't, because fedora does not provide any x86_64 v2/3/4 packages yet.
I have not found a single program with x86-64 with version 2, 3 or 4.
Suse wins again, why can't the other distros do this already? I'll switch to whatever distro can provide v4 officially first.
What are v2/v3/v4 packages?
/usr/lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 --help
Time to upgrade to 39!
based one version behind enjoyer
I always stay 1 version behind. dangerously comfy.
Plasma 6 status?
krashing
lmfao
Is Fedora good for web dev? I've recently switched to Debian and will be doing some web dev shit in the near future. I'm concerned that Debian's node package is pretty old, even in Debian testing.
Is Fedora better for this usecase, or is Debian with nvm just as good? Also, how much telemetry does Fedora have?
Fedora's Atomic Images are particularly good for any Dev because you can just install the latest packages inside of distrobox while keeping your base system clean.
Nothing stops you from doing this on a non-atomic distro.
>Is Fedora good for web dev?
Fairly irrelevant, although it'll teach you about selinux early on.
>concerned that Debian's node package is pretty old, even in Debian testing.
Use nvm inside a container, that's the industrial and practical standard for any webdev these days.
>Is Fedora better for this usecase, or is Debian with nvm just as good?
Again, fairly irrelevant, use containers. Fedora comes with a clean default setup for podman, so that be your first choice. Aforementioned distrobox is a wrapper around that.
>Also, how much telemetry does Fedora have?
Currently none. There are some proposed changes in the room for some opt-out info, but the community wasn't all so happy about it yet. So none are to be expected soon.
>telemetry
Ebussy was all for it, to the surprise of no one. I kinda wish it got approved because it'd sink GNOME even harder
I always enable telemetry on open source systems to help developers.
I always disable telemetry on proprietary systems because if I paid for it then I expect a finished product.
Yes, I'm based like that.
Same, basically I reverse whatever the default setting is during setup.
i hate communists so much it's unreal
Thank you for the detailed response. I'm fairly new to Linux and haven't experimented much with containers yet.
When you say
>>Is Fedora better for this usecase, or is Debian with nvm just as good?
>Again, fairly irrelevant, use containers. Fedora comes with a clean default setup for podman, so that be your first choice. Aforementioned distrobox is a wrapper around that.
Could something like this be done with docker as well? I guess I'm a bit confused on how to set up and begin using the container.
I assume, for example, on a Debian 12 machine you could set up docker and then start using one of these node images (preferrably Debian 2 based): https://hub.docker.com/_/node
And then install nvm and use it as expected. Is that the correct workflow?
Yes, you can use docker on debian as well. Podman is just a more modern version of docker and standard on all dnf based distros. They both use the same images, if that's causing confusion. I'm too lazy to write out all the details on this, so go check out some youtube tutorial. In general the ladder of decision between docker and podman goes like this:
>what the existing project uses
>what you're already used to
>podman
After pulling a dedicated image like hub.docker.com/_/node, you dont need to install node anymore, it's already in there. Write your project and ramp it up.
That makes a lot more sense. I've actually been doing quite a bit of research since I asked that first question, and I'm starting to realize Debian is probably one of the worst choices for using docker. Its current docker package is very, very out of date, and even pending removal (?) due to unfixed bugs. However, the testing branch has a Podman roughly on par with upstream... Ubuntu seems to be the way to go for docker, as it's slightly behind upstream in that regard. And Fedora obviously has Podman. All 3 options have the third party docker-ce repo possibility, but as I understand it, this is probably a big nono for at least Debian and Ubuntu. Not sure about Fedora
I'm getting analysis paralyis on which to choose to learn webshittery on Linux
>Its current docker package is very, very out of date
Welcome to Debian.
Use Fedora if you want to be closer to upstream without going full Arch, and want a major update every 6 months.
Use Ubuntu LTS or Rocky Linux if you want to simulate an enterprise production environment, and want a major update every 2 years.
>ummm yikes, sweaty, there are to many str*ight wh*te m*n on the board, FIX IT NOW!!
frick off
Nice try but we all know why they are doing it.
what's new in 40 besides gnome 46 and plasma 6
>FEDORA 40 IS UP
just updooted letsgo fedorabros
backing up my shit currently and doing a clean install to kde
tired of gnome shit
You''re gonna go back within a week.
Can you update graphically?
Fedora KDE btw.
Probably not, but what's wrong with using DNF?
>Probably not, but what's wrong with using DNF?
It's okay, just asking.
See you on the other side bros.
*krashes*
What a fresh, new joke. You're pretty clever anon.
*cuts your dick off*
>Gets erection
Ebussy's erectile dysfunction is cured from his fetish from removing useful things.
Yes, discover will notify you when the upgrade is ready for you
Pretty sure only GNOME supports graphical updates
how fricked is vrr on gnome
Wow the new KDE gestures are amazing. GNOME is dead.
>still on dnf4
I installed fedora 40 with plasma 6 on my PC, this is what happened.
This sole event is leading me to install Windows 10 LTSC on both my main PC and my steam deck.
I've just had it with linux. I'm sick of shit just messing up and not working. It's bullshit.
Bye bye linux, won't miss you, at all.
Also I tried gnome on fedora 40. Slow as shit, literally takes 1.5 seconds to open the file manager lul.
I think you have a memory leak. How much ram are you using?
That's not a memory leak KEKW
The slider stops moving when his mouse leaves the slider's area
>Also I tried gnome on fedora 40. Slow as shit, literally takes 1.5 seconds to open the file manager lul.
Opens instantly here. But it's ok, enjoy Windows.
upload a webm showing this
(you won't because you're lying or your technology illiterate)
Believe what you will, anon. I hope you find what you're looking for with Windows 10 LTSC.
I ran win10 LTSC on my deck for a while. The install process was gruelling, the whole experience sub-optimal. It mostly worked, but I was pretty quick to re-install SteamOS. Windows without a keyboard/mouse or up-to-date GPU drivers just isn't a good experience, it's not worth it.
it's because he is using KDE
I've replaced some of my ubanto dpckers with fedora ones. being able to just install rocm is nice.
Speaking about Fedora, what's this project and how is exactly related to it?
https://github.com/ublue-os/bluefin/tree/main
Does this allow you to build a custom Silverblue ISO? That would be handy, i don't like using Flatpak for MPV and not sure about how this toolbox thing interacts with media and codecs
It's just a silverblue image with additonal packages, including the codecs and whatnot you'd get from RPM fusion. You can use its scripts to create your own image.
Toolbox is just a wrapper around podman. It's less versatile than- distrobox if you intend to run GUI programs or don't want to litter your home directory.
It updates more reliably than arch in my experience, without being that far behind. It doesn't try to force snaps or whatever onto you, doesn't try to sell you a subscription. It provides sane defaults for all the desktops it supports. Its just a reasonably new, stable distribution.
Having to add a third party repo to get codecs and fully functional ffmpeg and whatnot is a pain in the ass though, it can create conflicts with the default repo.
I'm moronic, how am i supposed to do this?
>It's just a silverblue image with additonal packages, including the codecs and whatnot you'd get from RPM fusion. You can use its scripts to create your own image.
Never used Github Actions before.
>how am i supposed to do this
https://github.com/ublue-os/image-template
They have fairly clear instructions.
>Never used Github actions
Now is a good time to learn! CI/CD skills are useful for a lot more things than software dev and are in high demand!
gnome is gay
Alright, can anyone tell me why they're still having btrfs as default without taking advantage of it in the setup process?
openSUSE had snapshots enabled for centuries now. What's keeping Fedora from setting this up automatically without the user having to do all that shit? What is really the point of btrfs without using snapshots?
>without taking advantage of it in the setup process
By default, / and /home are put on two separate subvolumes, zstd compression is enabled as well. Snapshots are a great feature, but not the sole reason to use btrfs, CoW behaviour, subvolumes and transparent compression are very appealing as well.
>verification not required
Are the BTRFS snapshosts good enough to endure major upgrade jumps?
I don't know about how BTRFS snapshots handle upgrading from one release to another. I run the atomic KDE version, so if an update has some issues, I can just reboot on the previous system image. Upgrading to 40 and rolling back to 39 just worked.
Kionite is neat, but i feel like i would end having to layer many things to make an inmutable OS to work. Largely
>libvirt related packages (USB passthrough is finnicky on containers)
>my shit printer and other crap' drivers
>Ollama
>codecs (unless there's a seamless way to integrate mpv+yt-dlp inside distrobox so i can use it like if it was a native package, doing this through Flatpak didn't work last time i tried a year ago)
>Some plasma scripts i maye find handy like Bismuth
Feels like i need at the moment is just regular Fedora with distrobox and snapper/timeshift.
>libvirt
One of the few packages I add as an overlay, with virt-manager and distrobox.
>printer
Printing over the network just works with my HP and lexmark printers. If your printer is connected directly through USB, You should be able to overlay any necessary drivers
>ollama
ROCm, CUDA, oneAPI and all the stuff that relies on it works really well within a container. I do all my AI/ML stuff in a distrobox container.
>codecs
My apps are either flatpaks or running in containers, so codecs really aren't an issue on my base system. Distrobox makes running GUI apps in containers pretty seamless. For CLI stuff, I have separate profiles for each of my containers in konsole.
>plasma scripts
I had no issues adding Krohnkite as a KWin script to get dynamic tyling. Other scripts should work similarly well.
If you're thinking with containers, an immutable system really doesn't hold you back.
Guess the only true way to be sure is spinning up a Virtual machine and try reproduce my workflow to figure out pain points to solve. The one thing that would've to iron out first is the mpv integration. Libvirt just works everywhere and is even mentioned on Silverblue docs. I don't use my printer often enough that i can't just use a LiveUSB or Virtual Machine to deal with that. If you say Kwin scripts work fine then it shouldn't be hard to set up. Or maybe i can just build my own OCI image with one of the Blue OS base scripts.
what's new in gnome 46?
https://release.gnome.org/46/