>fell for the you must study STEM meme
>have dinner with the family
>all my cousins are studying different "meme" degrees
>they all get compliments for being really talented, specially one's that's an athlete and studying music
>uncle can't stop talking about how good he sings and such
>meanwhile I'm the only one in engineering, computer engineering actually
>nobody gives a frick nor knows what a computer engineer does
>all they can come up is jokes about how I must know how to activate windows
>nobody has the slightest interest in it because it sounds boring or complicated
>nobody compliments my muscles because I'm a gymcel and I don't have any medals nor competitions people can look up to
It's good that you're learning this early. Understand that if your own family treating you this way then you'd be a fool to expect better treatment from employers/strangers.
Consider changing majors to something medical.
This is why I'm trying to get into research. My father tells me to become an engineer, but nobody takes engineers seriously anymore.
Is medical really that different?
That's just tacky and won't impress anyone the way music does except Dutch people.
Think about it, what gender are most nurses? Do you think of nurses as incredibly intelligent and hard working people at the cutting edge of their craft? Do you remember COVID? Do you remember how we shut down the entire planet and killed our economies because the medical professionals told us to?
No. Nurses are women, usually around 105-110 IQ. They've got unions and can clear six figures, even in Low COL areas. On top of that they wield immense social/cultural power and respect. Yeah, there's some conspiracy theories and haters, but that's a small price to pay for the undying trust you get from the bulk of the population. Hell of a lot better than being universally ridiculed.
https://www.ouhealth.com/careers/nursing-careers/registered-nurses/
Here's an example from Oklahoma City. Level 2 RN (1 year experience) pays $48/hr. OKC is low COL. Beyond that, there are hospitals and medical facilities in just about every city in the country. You can find work anywhere. If you're doing computer shit you're gonna have to move to where the computer jobs are.
people who shit on nurses are absolutely moronic. they can make so much money, especially if they're traveling. I'm aware that covid was an unprecedented event, but some travel nurses were making 5k a week https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna59604&ved=2ahUKEwjk153VrOyEAxVvLdAFHcFJCZgQFnoECCAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw11c-_Bv2R9pcAkmNBQHE9Y when we were in lockdown. the hours can be very good if you don't want to do the traveling gig and end up with lots of time off. working very hard for peanuts makes you a sucker, not noble.
Notice the tone of the headline. It's playing the nurses out to be the victims who had their pay "slashed in half". Going from 5k/week to 2.5k is being framed as an injustice to otherwise heroic people.
That's the kind of cultural and social power the role has. You can be making 6 figures and people will feel sorry for you.
I can see their point though, anon. yes it's crazy that people are complaining about marriage that much, but their bosses/agencies are probably making the difference in their pay. I rather more money go to the common man.
>Is medical really that different?
>"anon, what do you do for a living?"
>"I'm a computer engineer"
>"oh so you like, build computers? my cousin terry does that I think, he works for best buy"
>"anon, what do you do for a living?"
>"I'm a doctor"
>"wow so you like, save lives? that's so admirable(and well-paid), I'd love to hear more about it over dinner some time, teehee"
things are only impressive if the audience knows that they should be impressed, and everyone knows what a doctor is
all stem majors are the same, at least in my shithole
you're a nerd moron to most people and the disrespect you get is only relative to your actual social status
this isnt always true
sometimes ops family can just be buttholes
Yeah, and not every lottery ticket is a loser. Best to assume the probable outcome, rather than the theoretically possible outcome.
just casually mention what salaries Google Interns get.
>fell for the you must study STEM meme
To be fair, you ARE a bandwagoner, and chose a soulless degree for the money (), rather than any passion or interests. Many can see through that really easily, just as they know the majority of people studying medicine aren't doing it because they're passionate about helping people (they'd be doing paramedics instead)
It's offputting to a lot of people, because you know the music student values self expression and the beauty of music so much they want to spend their life studying it, meanwhile you chose CS because someone told you to and it makes good money (not anymore lol)
all fun and games until
If they aren't Jobsian millionaires, no one cares. There was a blackpill video recently where they looked at wages/salaries of normgroids and fricking menial labourers were earning as much as doctors and engineers. Yes we all know the caveats that come with that, but some bogan miner doesn't say "oh yeah but that's 80 hours a week in hellish conditions and my body will be ratshit by 40". People just hear the number and judge based off that.
>he thinks they don't just go to diversity hires and women
go watch those "a day in my life at google" or any tech company videos
they hire everyone besides men to redistribute wealth to them and then hire seasoned developers to do actual work
Until they get laid off
and find other good jobs since they are very skilled.
>giving a shit about what your family or anyone else thinks about you
do zoomers really?
Hate to break it to you, but other people liking you is how you get hired. It's not realistic to do shit all on your own anymore. Even if you were capable of doing it on your own, you'd get even better results if you had allies.
Your sense of dignity felt threatened by family members not giving you the respect and admiration you felt was due to you by virtue of the perceived difficulty and value of your field. You are learning the hard lesson that all dorks eventually learn. That your value to the tribe really isn't tied to whatever stupid task or occupation you assign yourself. It's all about personality, how you carry yourself, and your relative social standing within whatever "group" you find yourself in. Also there is a psychological phenomenon called "do gooder degradation", basically if someone in the tribe is more valuable than you it's in your best interest to de-emphasize them to bring them down to your level so they can't get a upper hand on you socially.
Aero Eng here... Who cares?
I work 8hrs then I'm done with work. You think anyone gives a frick about how setting up a vibrational analysis is done?
They compliment those cousins because they're competent, SOCIAL people.
Also this:
Do you like your job? Is it at least a remote position?
It's interesting work, I like that it's split between between office (CAD, design, simulation) and actual hands-on labwork.
Also the fact that it's an actual system DESIGN position where I get to apply what I learned, not just some maintenance crap.
>Is it at least a remote position?
In Engineering? lmao.
That's just a really shallow way to think about other people.
There's tons of normalgay engies that really know their subject well, in fact I'd say most engies are like that considering what "normalgay" means.
No shit a layman doesn't know shit about hyper-specific STEM topics. I don't know crap about HVAC or Plumbing, that's why I hire someone to do it for me
Do you mind sharing who you work for. I am an Aerospace major in college and I have been looking at internships that will become available in a couple of years, right now my options are Embraer, Dassault, Alstom, Thales and Northrop Grumman.
you have any more pyschology tips to share anon?
Funny, I'm a tradie and I wanted to start learning nuclear science as a hobby.
Isolation is turning me into Raymond Holt.
nice whiplash larp bro
my neetbux pay as much as you wage slaves make lol I'm gonna go play some video games
It's not a whiplash larp until he mentions some bald BDSM pervert berating and molesting him
I got a biology degree and got layed off from the hot sauce factory so now I play TF2 and do amphetamines all day. lol.
based addy bro
I'm graduating in biochem this semester and family doesn't really care what career I go into. Life is good
Amphetamines are top tier drug. My favorite amphetamine is trimethoxyamphetamine (TMA-2).
https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/TMA-2
its literally over for programmingcels, i started a few years ago and the only people who make good money are highest level senior/management morons/project managers its a dead field at this point
They love you when you're on all the covers. When you're not then they love another.
If it doesn't give you social currency it doesn't exist in the eyes of normalgays. And that's what everyone did.
>op is unironically insecure because of peer pressure
you're that 1% of people whose only problem is actually the lack of confidence, it's all inside your head
who gives a frick about what some stupid boomers think is praiseworthy or not
if anything, they probably mock you because it's only socially acceptable to "punch up"
learn to give 0 shits about people's opinions, anon, you've got money and muscle, let your poor cousins at least have some nice words
>learn to give 0 shits about people's opinions, anon, you've got money and muscle, let your poor cousins at least have some nice words
The lives of the working class revolve around simping for pussy.
The respect they give you is tied to how much they think you please pussy.
To a beta male (95% of men), having a good job is key to this, but not TOO good that it makes you a social pariah.
If you want to overcome this, you would need to sell your engineering degree in normie terms, downplay your intelligence.
>Haha that's right uncle Bob, installing Windows and fixing printers! It's just a job though, I'd rather be out fishin'! Say, who wants another beer?
Personally I wouldn't lower myself to that, but if you require the approval of these people (for accomodation or something) you may choose to do this.
>If you want to overcome this, you would need to sell your engineering degree in normie terms, downplay your intelligence.
>>Haha that's right uncle Bob, installing Windows and fixing printers! It's just a job though, I'd rather be out fishin'! Say, who wants another beer?
you are a very interesitng person, anon.
>computer engineering
kek, this is like bragging about knowing excel.
STEM is to make money and thats it. Having artistic skills makes you a lot more interesting. Sounds like your family is very good and supportive.
If yo wanted praise you should have thought about skills that would be useful to the family and followed through. Everybody loves a doctor, hell even the a lawyer comes in handy. Computer engineer? What can you do for the average man? Build a somewhat useful program in 10 months that saves them seconds of time?
when everyone uses computers and phones a computer engineer would be way more useful day to day than a fricking lawyer lol
Not at all dumbfrick. Everyone already uses computers every day. They don't often break and when it does its not the biggest deal. At worst you get a free day off work.
A lawyer will literally save your life from the goverment. A doctor will save your life from our physical reality. Even a actual engineer can build you a shelter. Again, what can a computer engineer do? Maybe fix your computer toy?
>actual engineer
dumb frick we take the same gen-ed as other engineering disciplines, its not a stretch to into other disciplines. Just a few youtube videos to crash course whatever.
>what can a computer engineer do
again skill issue, you're a true moron. Aside from being the backbone of modern technology, a computer engineer can make life convenient in a practical sense. Just off the top of my head - custom smart home automation that doesn't spy on you, modchipping devices or customizing firmware to add device features, network infrastructure design for home for security or serving applications/streaming, plus all the repair skills that an electronics tradie would have, bonus points if you have industrial experience and can turn a wrench
>Not at all dumbfrick. Everyone already uses computers every day. They don't often break and when it does its not the biggest deal. At worst you get a free day off work.
Based literal moron
What separates an IT nerd footsoldier from an esoteric wizard king is knowing how to design databases.
Third normal form.
Fifth generational languages.
Graph databases.
If these words mean nothing to you, you have a grand journey upon which to embark.
have you ever heard of a company that has more senior roles than junior roles? from a business perspective, that seems like it makes a lot of sense
>all they can come up is jokes about how I must know how to activate windows
ngl, this is pretty funny.
>meanwhile I'm the only one in engineering, computer engineering actually
That's not engineering.
Explain your shit take.
Your degree is not an accredited engineering degree and you cannot become a professional engineer with it.
>you're not this specific kind of engineer and therefore you are not an engineer!
As an engineer, I can tell you that subsets are indeed part of their supersets.
Computer engineering is just a special kind of electrical engineering, or at least it was back when I was studying.
You are probably thinking about "software engineering" which indeed, is not true emgineering since half the software "engineers" just went to a 1month long bootcamp about React and Javascript.
You're right, my bad. I was being foolishly smug.
>professional engineer
do you want to stroke your ego or do you want to make money?
typical civvie salary: $80k
typical javascript codemonkey salary: $200k
it's like arguing about whether PhDs or MDs are "the real doctors"
>do you want to stroke your ego or do you want to make money?
why not both?
>engineers like, build things dood !
Lmao, even
not sure what you're saying, but engineers don't really build anything.
I'm making fun of
since that's what he's implying in his posts.
I feel u anon since we are both in the same situation. It's the bane of our profession but take pride in it. Don't be angry at them for they don't know any better.
Like you said: It's either too complicated and cannot be explained in an interesting way to someone that does not have a basic understanding of the topic. And therefore/Or to boring.
I can't explain semiconducters, LCC resonant converters, the asymmetrical half-bridge with inductive outputfilter in a simple way to someone non electrical engineering.
Because what we do falls under the radar, subtly improving their lives. Central assets to life like refrigerators, washing maschines, mobile phones, television, GPS, cars, internet, computers, air conditioners, flow heaters, etc. I could go on and on. Point is, all of that exists thanks to engineers and scientists.
The athlete that studies music? Who designs and builds his microphone, his instrument recorder, his amplifier, his high-end speakers? Who coded his recording program, his interface, the data formats like .mp3?
Who do they look at when green energy, more effiency, better computer architectures, higher power density, faster computing is demanded?
They simply expect it to happen. All the luxurys of modern life just spawned into existence as far as they are concerned.
So don't shame yourself into feeling less than you are. Let them make their jokes.
Finally a good whitepill itt
do not listen to them anon. I know the position you are in because that's my degree too. having to explain to employers what a "computer engineer" does is a headache all the time. if anything it makes it really easy to become a tradie.
being a gymcel always works with getting your foot in the door socially, but you cannot stay there unless you have interesting hobbies like music (which you don't need a degree for!)
I am engineer as well.
My family has a lot of medical doctors, everyone looks at me as some kind of subhuman traitor for not going to med school. Even I feel like shit for not being a doctor tbh.
No one here should feel bad for a rich kid not being as rich as their family.
>My family has a lot of medical doctors, everyone looks at me as some kind of subhuman traitor for not going to med school. Even I feel like shit for not being a doctor tbh
That take balls to be honest. I would have probably caved in in your shoes.
Men shouldnt crave attention. Stop being a pussy.
>meanwhile I'm the only one in engineering, computer engineering actually
If you are the only one in the family that does anything technical no one will know or care about anything you do. I experienced this at all phases of my career even when I was in the trades as an electrician and machinist let alone as an engineer. The only person in my family that understood what I did was an uncle that was a maintenance mechanic for a plastics company.
>Consider changing majors to something medical.
Second this or at least try to work for a medical employer they treat technical people really well.
>all my cousins are studying different "meme" degrees
>they all get compliments for being really talented, specially one's that's an athlete and studying music
Unless they come from really rich well connected backgrounds they are going to be fricked come graduation.
>computer engineering actually
Can you switch into pure electrical engineering? That will give you more options when you graduate.
>electrician and machinist let alone as an engineer
you must be doing very well for yourself then. I know that people with practical skills are highly valued.
I am a STEM meme too, it is the only thing I can do without being a total frick-up, since my parents would not let me go to trade school.
My parents think I am mediocre at best, but more often than not, disappointing.
Education is the only way I feel comfy, maybe try to find a way to find solace in what you learn.
I was the anon from Saturday, by the away. Again, sorry for the blogpost.
gives a frick nor knows what a computer engineer does
Same but with IT. Its fricking odd how they haven't the slightest clue what I do. Like holy shit I don't want to put myself on a pedestal but how can you go 20+ years not knowing what that is man?
Your family will stop cheering for them if they don't achieve results in their career.
Don't worry about what those c**ts think, you don't have the luxury or worrying about useless shit like that.
can you activate windows?
only possible after activating almonds.
>I'm a computer engineer
>*blank stare* I heard AI going to make that obsolete?
>no that's a programmer, what I do is more like designing robots
>ooooh wow anon that's bad ass, you must be really smart
>thx uncle chud
>what I do is more like designing robots
that's more mechanical, tbh.
I am overly simplifying the discipline to put it in to terms Uncle Chud would understand since he doesn't know what computer engineering even means. The reality is that it would be multidisciplinary, with a mechanical engineer handling kinematic functions and a computer engineer handling i/o, control systems and logic loops
>handling i/o, control systems and logic loops
again, mechanical would be doing a decent amount of this. i feel pretty onfident saying that most of the work would be done by mechanical engineers, anon. many mechanical engigeers are familair with everythng you described. the insutrial automotive industry is filled with people like this, especially with knowledge of PLCs (control systems, logic loops). I feel like you're oeveresitmating computer engineers while underestimating mechanical.
CS is the meme degree of STEM sozzos mcpozzos
i think it was Marvin Minsky who said something along the lines of "computer science is as much the study of how computers work, as much as astronomy is the study of how telescopes work". ie it is indeed v important for astronomers to know about telescopes, and even invent new and better telescopes, but they are still just tools for le telescope user to figure new and beautiful things about the universe that no one ever knew before
however in your case you are just a knob twiddler on a telescope that you dont even understand how to use. lol. lmao. go in the toilet
do you really expect normies to care about stem? you purposefully chose a safe degree. there's not much there to talk about
it's like getting mad people aren't more invested in you getting a finance degree.
Normies' brain cannot understand STEM, even normies studying STEM, if you talk to them about math/science you notice their understanding is shallow and they never truly understand the theories.
They just memorize stuff to pass exams and procceed to forget everything.
You are a perceptive person. Keep noticing and tell your family I said "Hi".
no one cares about my gay ass STEM job either. but it isnt the jobs fault. they wouldnt give a shit about me or anything i have to say if i had a normie job like dishwasher at olive garden or Sales Marketing Analyst Assessment Officer Organizer Human Resource Delegate Dogfricker. nobody likes me cos i am a fricking autistic autist with autism and its noones fault but mine
>noones fault but mine
how is it your fault to be born with autism?
well if its not my fault it is my responsibility. i just have no idea how to change or fix any of it
Computer engineering is not one of the cool STEM degrees. When people talk about high status STEM degrees they mean the hard sciences like physics, chemistry, biology, astronomy, geology, and all of their daughter fields. I got my undergrad in physics and astronomy, and my masters in oceanography. I did my thesis on microplastics in coral reefs and I get to travel around on research ships going to cool ass places.