Not fiction's problem, you dumb frog. Great fiction says a lot more that's real about the world than most non-fiction books, and that's not a meme or just a cope for the wishy-washy fee-fee types, it's actually true. Narratives embed our reality. And since any transformation of experience and the world into language and representation is inevitably a falsification, fiction from outset the more truthful medium in not purporting to tell the truth. That might sound paradoxical, which is not inherently a bad thing, but it's not really. In a world where knowledge is deeply uncertain, where we can only really know with certainty that we know nothing, fiction is one of the best mediums of communicating truth and knowledge because its form mimics the uncertainty and ambiguity of reality and truth themselves.
Ok, but it's still boring. The mechanics of invented narratives force you to stay waiting for anything interesting, relevant or not predictable and tied to the author's will. I'm not wasting my time having the opposite of happiness. I know fiction makes other people (like
I love fiction as much as ever, if not more.
) happy, and I've enjoyed fiction movies in the past. But now it doesn't make sense to me to read something related to/which says about real life when I could just be THINKING ABOUT REAL LIFE DIRECTLY instead.
Not fiction's problem, you dumb frog. Great fiction says a lot more that's real about the world than most non-fiction books, and that's not a meme or just a cope for the wishy-washy fee-fee types, it's actually true. Narratives embed our reality. And since any transformation of experience and the world into language and representation is inevitably a falsification, fiction from outset the more truthful medium in not purporting to tell the truth. That might sound paradoxical, which is not inherently a bad thing, but it's not really. In a world where knowledge is deeply uncertain, where we can only really know with certainty that we know nothing, fiction is one of the best mediums of communicating truth and knowledge because its form mimics the uncertainty and ambiguity of reality and truth themselves.
Agree, you elucidated it better than I ever could.
In most cases, characters in fiction are also more real than the people you see in reality; they either embody or express ideals through their actions, and one gains unfettered access into their motivations, thoughts, and desires. Most humans act on the principle of fear (of poverty, material or spiritual), and their true beliefs are inaccessible to the closest of their confidents (perhaps even themselves).
Not fiction's problem, you dumb frog. Great fiction says a lot more that's real about the world than most non-fiction books, and that's not a meme or just a cope for the wishy-washy fee-fee types, it's actually true. Narratives embed our reality. And since any transformation of experience and the world into language and representation is inevitably a falsification, fiction from outset the more truthful medium in not purporting to tell the truth. That might sound paradoxical, which is not inherently a bad thing, but it's not really. In a world where knowledge is deeply uncertain, where we can only really know with certainty that we know nothing, fiction is one of the best mediums of communicating truth and knowledge because its form mimics the uncertainty and ambiguity of reality and truth themselves.
It's both true and false, which is also the point itself of the statement. Language is imprecise and whatever we say is only ever a half-truth because it simplifies and generalises real, particular phenomena in order to represent them.
Not fiction's problem, you dumb frog. Great fiction says a lot more that's real about the world than most non-fiction books, and that's not a meme or just a cope for the wishy-washy fee-fee types, it's actually true. Narratives embed our reality. And since any transformation of experience and the world into language and representation is inevitably a falsification, fiction from outset the more truthful medium in not purporting to tell the truth. That might sound paradoxical, which is not inherently a bad thing, but it's not really. In a world where knowledge is deeply uncertain, where we can only really know with certainty that we know nothing, fiction is one of the best mediums of communicating truth and knowledge because its form mimics the uncertainty and ambiguity of reality and truth themselves.
>any transformation of experience and the world into language and representation is inevitably a falsification
it's often morally bankrupt or subversive. fiction is a good tool for communicating a message but much of the "popular" work written in the last seventy years or so is either propaganda or hopelessly influenced by propaganda and our terrible pop culture.
read trashier fiction.
like pulp novels....shadowrun, mechwarrior, 40k
when the author is constrained by an alternate world it allows them freedom to not explain who corporation x and y is and waste your time. but can still pose a question like is it murder to steal a dead mans memories online if they agreed to it in a T&C page.
anyhow stop looking for gold.....enjoy some silver it beats the lead of TV and movies
When you imagine the object, do you feel the feeling of seeing its shape and colors? Or that of touching it? Can you rotate it in your imagination?
And if you can't, are you capable of imagining aims for yourself in detail, or a detailed image of how your future self should look and how to get there?
I'm so thoroughly disgusted with the humanity that fiction is the only place of interest for me now. I began to shun sciences, philosophy, history, politics. They do not matter so not as real (read: dusgusting) humans do them.
Bad fiction is to me now, but then I'm 60. Hamlet, King Lear, Antony And Cleopatra, and Faust Pt. II will never ever bore me. Of course there are other things to pleasure, which literature can't provoke or compare to,
Impossible. Unless of course (you) continue reading it, which, if so, why?
Also, *who* goes on IQfy only to report 'cars bore me now' or IQfy to let the enthusiasts know that 'football, both European and American, bore me now'?
Try nonfiction.
Yeah, it's probably my thing
Ok, but it's still boring. The mechanics of invented narratives force you to stay waiting for anything interesting, relevant or not predictable and tied to the author's will. I'm not wasting my time having the opposite of happiness. I know fiction makes other people (like
) happy, and I've enjoyed fiction movies in the past. But now it doesn't make sense to me to read something related to/which says about real life when I could just be THINKING ABOUT REAL LIFE DIRECTLY instead.
not predictable to happen*
related to/which says about real life when I could just be THINKING ABOUT REAL LIFE DIRECTLY instead.
But fiction is more true than real life
Not fiction's problem, you dumb frog. Great fiction says a lot more that's real about the world than most non-fiction books, and that's not a meme or just a cope for the wishy-washy fee-fee types, it's actually true. Narratives embed our reality. And since any transformation of experience and the world into language and representation is inevitably a falsification, fiction from outset the more truthful medium in not purporting to tell the truth. That might sound paradoxical, which is not inherently a bad thing, but it's not really. In a world where knowledge is deeply uncertain, where we can only really know with certainty that we know nothing, fiction is one of the best mediums of communicating truth and knowledge because its form mimics the uncertainty and ambiguity of reality and truth themselves.
Agree, you elucidated it better than I ever could.
In most cases, characters in fiction are also more real than the people you see in reality; they either embody or express ideals through their actions, and one gains unfettered access into their motivations, thoughts, and desires. Most humans act on the principle of fear (of poverty, material or spiritual), and their true beliefs are inaccessible to the closest of their confidents (perhaps even themselves).
Samegayging
moron can't tell the difference between two different writing styles.
forsen
>And since any transformation of experience and the world into language and representation is inevitably a falsification
this is a bogus statement.
It's both true and false, which is also the point itself of the statement. Language is imprecise and whatever we say is only ever a half-truth because it simplifies and generalises real, particular phenomena in order to represent them.
he did not say language is imprecise. he said,
>any transformation of experience and the world into language and representation is inevitably a falsification
which is nonsense. so is his whole reply, really.
language is as precise as you make it.
Nah, you are just too dumb to say something meaningful.
Cool, leave.
I love fiction as much as ever, if not more.
non fiction was always better, roman history is crazier and more interesting than game of thrones and other popular garbage people read
it's often morally bankrupt or subversive. fiction is a good tool for communicating a message but much of the "popular" work written in the last seventy years or so is either propaganda or hopelessly influenced by propaganda and our terrible pop culture.
read trashier fiction.
like pulp novels....shadowrun, mechwarrior, 40k
when the author is constrained by an alternate world it allows them freedom to not explain who corporation x and y is and waste your time. but can still pose a question like is it murder to steal a dead mans memories online if they agreed to it in a T&C page.
anyhow stop looking for gold.....enjoy some silver it beats the lead of TV and movies
To keep fiction from feeling stale as with any other art form I try to read one fiction and then a non fiction book and so forth
time to start lifting brotha
Go read war and peace again.
>dude history isn't a novel where the leaders are protagonists or antagonists it's an endless web of wildly varying human intrigues and passions
>Fiction is boring now to me
Congratulations. You have finally grown up. Fiction is for people with no dreams or ambition
When you imagine the object, do you feel the feeling of seeing its shape and colors? Or that of touching it? Can you rotate it in your imagination?
And if you can't, are you capable of imagining aims for yourself in detail, or a detailed image of how your future self should look and how to get there?
personally I'm not interested in stories of crime and murder right now
Then don’t read it.
I'm so thoroughly disgusted with the humanity that fiction is the only place of interest for me now. I began to shun sciences, philosophy, history, politics. They do not matter so not as real (read: dusgusting) humans do them.
Bad fiction is to me now, but then I'm 60. Hamlet, King Lear, Antony And Cleopatra, and Faust Pt. II will never ever bore me. Of course there are other things to pleasure, which literature can't provoke or compare to,
Impossible. Unless of course (you) continue reading it, which, if so, why?
Also, *who* goes on IQfy only to report 'cars bore me now' or IQfy to let the enthusiasts know that 'football, both European and American, bore me now'?
Just like everything else but magical realism never dies wink wink
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