Finished this and I hate how much I believe in it.
I can feel myself slipping into the pipeline. Please give me something to read that will convince me this book is wrong.
Finished this and I hate how much I believe in it. I can feel myself slipping into the pipeline.
Im 50 pages in, besides being somewhat funny im finding it very mundane and not saying much I havent already thought about. Does it get better
Here's how Houellebecq summarized the novel:
>I wanted to acknowledge that if people don’t have a sex life, it’s not for some moral reason, it’s just because they’re ugly. Once you’ve said it, it sounds obvious, but I wanted to say it.
But the narrator said Tischerand would have gotten laid, if his personality was better.
Yeah, there are other factors. But still, he describes how attractiveness tends to influence a person's sexual success to a large degree. He's basically just pointing out how cruel and unjust the world can be. Still, any simplistic or absolute claims tend to break down at some level of analysis.
absolutely everybody would get laid if "their personality was better" - people don't realize that this is much harder to achieve than mere physical attractiveness. There are physical chads in this world who are too neurotic and autistic to talk to women, and hideously deformed men who get laid regularly.
Source:
https://web.archive.org/web/20160104200139/https://www.theparisreview.org/interviews/6040/the-art-of-fiction-no-206-michel-houellebecq
I'm tall and not ugly yet I remain sexless
Then you are probably ugly, but unknowing.
I’m not a looks reductionist. Part of it has to do with women making bad individual choices mostly because they have less than zero ability to have introspection and literally source their opinions to the outer world, I.e. “according to whom”. Without the outside world existing women are reduced to automatons.
Around this time last year, I caught up with a girl I had known in school -- she's very nice, urbane, intelligent, and attractive in the casual way that aspiring middle-class young people often are. I had not gone to meet her with any specific intention, nor did I really consider myself attracted to her, but near the end of the evening, when we'd been sitting at the same table talking for a couple of hours, I began to wonder whether I might not have been failing to pick up on some hint. I erred on the side of caution and did nothing, and we continued platonically until it got late, and I dropped her back home. This was all fine, we'd had a nice night, and we caught up again soon after, but it did make me ask myself, how on earth I ever expected to be able to move between the different spheres, so to speak, of interpersonal engagement. If I could not even conceive of how these sorts of transitions (to use quite a clunky word for it) are supposed to take place, when the mood changes so that any would-be advances are now seen as welcome rather than improper, then I had no idea of how I would ever be able to make this leap. KHV, if it's not obvious from the way I seem to be writing this, but doing alright otherwise, and it's not that big a part of my life, nor does it cause me too much angst. That acceptance is probably cope for my ugliness, per Houellebecq, but I feel like the second post I'm responding to gives a more nuanced dimension to what he is saying - to be way too oversimplified it's a 'social skills' problem.
inb4 autistic, kys, &c. Ty for reading my blog.
Thanks for the post I relate. I don't feel I'm a total sperg and nor am I ugly but I feel totally unable to navigate from an intelligent conversation to something with a sexual dimension. Maybe I need to nofap and lift and start eating raw organ meat idk.
>navigate from an intelligent conversation to something with a sexual dimension
This is yalls problem right here. You're starting off from a fricked point. You can skip the "intelligent conversation". Women don't give af about that unless they are going for the art-hoe vibe then it can work but not necessary. Just impose yourself. If they are attracted they will frick you. Simple as that. "Gaming" women is a pathetic waste of time reserved for natural betas. Sure it can work but it's a time sink and not worth it. No pussy is. Literally just approach, touch, make stupid remarks that are meant to be funny. Also obviously work out and eat meat wtf why would you not do that anyway? Do that for yourself.
What I'm saying is go straight to the sexual dimension. Assertiveness is the most attractive quality a man can demonstrate.
A year ago I was in a similar position to yourself. I had no idea how to flirt, it seemed like a completely alien concept to me, it scared me, I thought I just didn't get it and would never be able to do it. Then I met this cute girl. We were in a situtation where we saw each other once a week, and I only ever had brief, platanotic interactions with her, but I got a hint that maybe she liked me. And I definitely liked her. But I had no idea what to do. I'd never flirted with a girl before, I had no idea how to progress things. But I wanted to, really badly.
One night I went home and literally googled "how to flirt" like the desperate autist I am. I knew it was hopeless, I knew the key to being successful with women was acting relaxed and natural, and that following a list of flirting tips was the complete opposite of that, a hopeless pursuit.
But as I was reading through articles, it all clicked into place. I realized that flirting wasn't hard. It's all stuff I already knew, I just hadn't pieced it together as "this is flirting" in my head before.
I can't give you a list here, because again, it's something that has to just click in your brain. But it basically just comes down to being warm, building connection, making women giggle, giving them genuine compliments, holding eye contact and lingering, giving them little smiles.
I went out for lunch with her the next day and we just completely hit it off. I put everything into practice and I felt a connection with her like I've never felt with anyone. She was happy the whole time, I made her giggle, we talked and found a bunch of things we had in common, it felt magical. As we were about to part ways I looked her in the eyes and told her that I'd really enjoyed talking to her, and she blushed and looked down at the ground. It was the first time in my life I'd ever experienced that with a girl, I had a feeling like no other that she was the one, that we were meant to be together.
I knew next time I saw her I had to ask her out. There was no question about it. So next time I saw her, I did. And she got shy and blushed again. Then told me she already had a boyfriend.
I played it off cool, but I had a lot of mixed feelings that day. But I still went to bed happy. Happy that I now knew how to flirt.
>Then told me she already had a boyfriend.
lol
this is funny. the hottest women i know is never fricked. i never frick her, its because she is ugly?
Can confirm, I'm ugly and I don't have sex
I mean Sartre, Bukowski, Houllebecq himself, and many other not exactly handsome men have had sex lives. I know a 5'6" guy with an average face who has slept with lots of attractive women. It's great to be attractive but it's not absolutely necessary.
i'm not ugly i just don't talk to people
He's right about the sexual revolution. Also my life is worse than Tisserand's.
Yes women are the queens of the sex market. T Hey control everything in it.
It's their world. Men are disposable dildos, always have been, always will be.
Yes women love to be fricked by Max Hardcore, James Deen, Pierre Woodman. Women say it explicitly and they keep doing it.
Women don't love the guy infatuated with beautiful women. What In their teen age men know unconsciously, then very much consciously in their adult age, is that women
-never value the eternal beta orbiter
-women will have debased sex with the first stranger who ''rings her bell''
Women don't give a shit about long-term relationships. Women just want to larp over a few days as the non-bawd girl and then they want the sex, and they want it bad.
The second strategy women build to avoid viewing themselves as bawd is their fantasy of ''summer love'', which is just the situation with the ''stranger which makes them vibrates all over'' extended to a few weeks of casual fun sex with no string attached and zero bad consequence for the girl (especially no pregnancy, which is reached thanks to normalization of abortion).
Women don't want to to be respected and make love in the dark with their devoted provider. What women want is to be fricked raw by an Adonis they barely know who makes them squirt everywhere and frick them until they can barely walk the day after.
Women want the convulsive orgasm where they lose consciousness to the point that they roll their eyes and lose their social self, getting in touch for the first time their true self, ie the sheer prostitutedom. You think they will get that by looking into the eyes of their generic subservient beta appliance fricking them in the missionary position?
Think again.
Kek
And yet it's women who piss and moan when middle aged men (their contemporaries) date younger women with a regularity that is not reciprocal. Men have a far longer shelf life, so don't worry. Just give it a few years, m8s.
Have you been on the internet the last 10 years? Incels have been reiterating his message a million times
I dropped Elementary Particles. I agree with everything he was getting at but it was just too dreadful and honestly kind of boring at times. Yeah modernity is bad, yeah the breakdown of the family is bad, yeah women are bad, yeah hippies were morons. I don't need a depressing novel to tell me these things everyone who doesn't browse reddit already knows.