Are they worth it? I'm tired of laptops being made to break with terrible support and companies going out of their way to make them impossible to repair
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framework will either outgrow their "consumer-friendly" model or they will go out of business. I also anticipate the components will become less available overtime, but let's be honest, it's just a boring work laptop sold at a high markup just for the modularity.
braindead take. The company's model is making a form factor. They don't need parts to stay. They can just release a new revision of the board/module/etc and call it a day, just like everyone else.
they won't turn a profit to stay in business, despite your delusions.
only morons buy new Thinkpads as opposed to old ones for linux usage. this is hardly a good benchmark for a comparing a modular laptop with basic functionality. at that point you might as well compare it to whatever $500 garbage plastic work laptop you find on amazon. framework just isn't worth the investment based on performance and intended function, not unlike the newer thinkpads you're comparing it to.
>only morons buy new thinkpads
then compare resell price value, you can get an used Framework 12thgen for not much higher than a refurbished T14 with same perfs
>they won't turn a profit to stay in business, despite your delusions.
System76 does just fine and I've never seen one before in public. I've seen several framework laptops.
still expensive lol
Asus Zenbook 14 mogs both framework and 76
>muh performance muh specs
go to your hundred other threads for your junky high performance slabs
>only morons buy new thinkpads
Don't move the goalposts
>sold at a high markup
Not at all. Its cheaper than a new Thinkpad for example
>doomershit
it's obvious you know nothing about framework
I have a 13" 12th gen intel one, it's not bad, but not as good as an apple laptop. Battery life is horrible, it fails to sleep when I close it like 5% of the time. But it runs Fedora pretty well and I like the 3:2 screen and the ability to have usb A without dongles.
Have the 13 inch 13th gen Intel one. It's a good laptop, runs Fedora really well, and the matte screen works well outdoors.
The battery life is massively improved with the 13th gen boards and the upgraded battery. I can leave it in sleep for two weeks and it only loses 5% charge.
>I can leave it in sleep for two weeks and it only loses 5% charge.
yeah I'm pressing X for doubt
>Battery life is horrible
with the amd version on windows you can limit the power draw like on the steam deck, with x86 Universal Tuning Utility
For light usage I limit it to 10W or 15W and i got like 13-14hr of battery life estimation, and it still have enough perf to do programming or browsing
other else on default profile you get like 8-9hr easily; and 3-4hr on games
I just realized I outgrew this linux shit and decided I'm gonna get a macbook pro and pay for a tiling manager or something on it and call it a day.
I have a Pixel with GrapheneOS. Kinda got my run with it and it was fun and all but... I'm gonna go back to group chats and blue messages with an iPhone lol.
>outgrew linux shit
>outgrew complete control over your OS
NGMI
You're right. Who cares about blocking ads and telemetry and Apple letting 3rd party ad companies track my around the web and sell my data.
leave and never come back, babby
>are they worth it?
it's a cool idea which will never be financially viable. so unfortunately it's just a gimmick for those with money to waste.
it was financially viable for most companies even ten years ago. you are moronic.
it's cheaper to buy 2 new laptops than buy framework and upgrade GPU once. ever went to school? did some math and shiet?
Yeh if you buy the cheapest crap that breaks after 1 year
Point me to those laptops that have the same processing power and are half the price of the framework
t480 homie
That is all.
I still can't get myself to buy one
>no thinklight
>no disc drive (which I use on occasion)
>thin and kind of ugly
>no WWAN switch
>no lid clasp
I'm too used to my t430. Despite its age I still am not ready to move on
>>no thinklight >>no WWAN switch >>no lid clasp
Valid
>>no disc drive (which I use on occasion)
An expanded 2.5 drive slot and a torrent client is a million times more useful for my w530
>>thin and kind of ugly
The non-slim model is only like 30% thinner than the t430.
Usb-C and the power efficiency is just too much to ignore for me. But my w530 will forever have a special place in my room, document write-ups mostly.
I'm really only considering switching for the power efficiency. My T430 runs hot as shit all the time because everything is so bloated now. I also have a USB-C adapter for my T430 so I charge it when I'm out with a compact USB-C charger that's smaller than a pack of cigarettes.
>T480
>power efficiency
is this new meme?
are you moronic or something? How is a 15W processor from 2018 going to not be more efficient than the 35W processor in my shitbox from 2012?
Yeah I'm currently using an i7-3520M which is dual core, and 35W. What model of processor would be quad core that I can use as a replacement? This might be worth trying to extend the life of my laptop a bit.
I would say switch to a 35w quad-core with PTM7950 before jumping to a t480. You'll probably get better performance with bloat and the temps won't be sky high. Your charging brick and adapter will need to support 100w though.
Speaking in relative terms anon. And no, I'm not buying a damn m1.
i got the m1 macbook pro from my company for work
i hate what Apple represents and their policy
but this laptop is marvel of engineering and should be the future
When you think about it the frameworks actual only alternative is the MBA which says a lot about the laptop.
I’d like for someone to point me to a laptop of equivalent power for less money.
steal a macbook pro
Quit telling people to spend money on expensive 15 year old components when they want something newer.
Yeah man, I'd hate to buy a $30 CPU to save myself from buying a $200 laptop. Thank you for saving me so much money!
He says he likes his t430, reading comprehension.
I don't actually want something newer. If I could I'd still be using my T40. They seem to just get worse and worse except for the processor, which I wouldn't even need to upgrade if not for software bloat. I still do the exact same things now as I did on XP with a Pentium M and 1GB of memory except now I need new hardware to do it.
Had one of these. Fricking horrendous. 0/10 never buying a chinkpad ever again.
nice arguments there
very trustworthy
>I'm tired of laptops being made to break with terrible support
All of the laptops I had, even cheap plastic MSI gayming ones, lasted years and are still working to this day.
I only moved on to update hardware and probably spent less overall that you would on a framework. The problem just might be you.
Framework could go belly up too, but if it means anything, I love my 13" one. swapping ports around is cool. Wish they'd add a touchscreen though
it just need an OLED screen update and it will be perfect
They should skip OLED development and head straight to QDEL.Brighter, uses less energy, and cheaper to produce.
Once the 13 inch one has a trackpoint, it will be.
Check out Slimbook.
I'm gonna buy a Framework because my heckin' favorite youtuber LINUS TECH TIPS is invested!
>no removable battery unless you disassemble the entire laptop
>no touch screen
>same boring keyboard layout
>not linux friendly
nope. It's a money pit for morons
i have a framework 13 and it is a great laptop. my battery wasn't doing to well, bought a new one and installing it was stupid simple. broke my screen, bought a new one and installing it was stupid simple. also i got mine used for cheap as frick
>used for cheap as frick
Where?
I wouldn't call it "cheap as frick" but the official website has B-stock 11th gen units from their first factory starting at $500 (no RAM, no SSD)
Just looked and it's $600 now. What is competitive against this at this point? I can't imagine this is the best deal ever.
That had been my question anytime someone shits on them.
What other laptop is out there with similar or better screen and other specs
11th gen Dell Latitudes can be had for $300-$400 but the screens on those are worse than those on the Framework.
same poster i got mine for $300 used from a friend. i would still consider framework to best new laptops outside of silicon macbooks if your into those
So what's the list?
Framework > t14 amd > t480 > 11th gen latitude > some cheap shit on amazon?
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