It's hard to believe there's actual Red Hat shills here. Don't you feel ashamed?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Thanks for having me, Carol.
Truth be told, at times it does get a bit tough and lonely around here. The majority of the users on this board share a very strong anti-corporate sentiment. Similarly, a lot of them have an obsession with staying on the bleeding edge of software releases. Given that distributions like RHEL and Ubuntu LTS are practically the polar opposites of that mentality, I find it difficult to share my opinions and experiences regarding these distributions and it is very rare that I manage to get any kind of interesting discussion going. Nevertheless, I stand firm by my decision to embrace LTS distributions purely for my own reasons and am quite proud of not letting myself be bullied into sacrificing my ideals just to conform to the majority opinion, which is a behaviour I see on this website (and in life in general) everyday.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I just don't understand why someone would be a corporate bootlicker and still use Linux. Windows Server is for you. To prefer Linux, you have to admit >the corporate model isn't better for all software >but also, some best-in-class corporate software (eg. Photoshop) will forever be inaccessible to you
Why not switch to Windows Server, where everything is built by corpos, not RHEL, where only some parts are built by corpos?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I can give you my reasons but I'm not going to try to fit them into your world view.
I don't have any strong opinions about whether the software I use is made by a multinational corporation or an individual. It just so happens that the distros with the release model that appeals to me the most (10+ years of support) are enterprise oriented ones. I switched to Linux partly out of interest, partly out of disillusionment with post-Win7 consumer editions. I'm more comfortable with using Linux than Windows at this point, which I feel is a useful skill to have, but I can always boot into my Windows partition (or start using it on a more permanent basis) should the need arise.
i hate redhat and poetterware. but if i must use it, rhel copies are the way to go. better than ubuntu at least
but now that the dust has settled, what are the differences between rocky and almalinux?
They used to be pretty similar. Alma was a bit more corpo than Rocky but they both did the same thing. After the SRPM incident, Alma decided to capitulate to Red Hat and no longer be a pure RHEL source clone, and Rocky refused and remained a pure RHEL source clone.
IBM unpublished the public RHEL SRPM repo last year, hoping that would bring more contributions into CentOS Stream, from which RHEL can benefit. Rocky and Oracle doubled down and stayed downstream from RHEL. Alma felt they needed to find their own niche instead of just being another 1:1 clone, so they caved in and are now tracking CentOS Stream.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Going from memory so the details might not be 100% correct.
The old CentOS was a "rebuild" of Red Hat sources, so it was an exact clone. Because Red Hat is free software, it's completely legal to build it yourself and distribute the resulting distro for free. Red Hat bought CentOS, made a new project called CentOS Stream, which was wasn't an exact clone of Red Hat, more like an unstable upstream used for testing Red Hat changes, then they discontinued CentOS. In response Rocky and Alma sprung up, which were both Red Hat rebuilds like CentOS was. They could do that because Red Hat's source code (SRPMs) were still published on a public FTP server. Last year Red Hat took the public repo down and basically made it against their ToS to use a Red Hat subscription make a Red Hat clone. Alma capitulated and made their distro based on CentOS Stream instead, but Rocky promised to continue being a rebuild, basically by finding ways to "steal" the SRPMs. ("Steal" is in quotes because it's 100% legal, since they're free software.)
Going from memory so the details might not be 100% correct.
The old CentOS was a "rebuild" of Red Hat sources, so it was an exact clone. Because Red Hat is free software, it's completely legal to build it yourself and distribute the resulting distro for free. Red Hat bought CentOS, made a new project called CentOS Stream, which was wasn't an exact clone of Red Hat, more like an unstable upstream used for testing Red Hat changes, then they discontinued CentOS. In response Rocky and Alma sprung up, which were both Red Hat rebuilds like CentOS was. They could do that because Red Hat's source code (SRPMs) were still published on a public FTP server. Last year Red Hat took the public repo down and basically made it against their ToS to use a Red Hat subscription make a Red Hat clone. Alma capitulated and made their distro based on CentOS Stream instead, but Rocky promised to continue being a rebuild, basically by finding ways to "steal" the SRPMs. ("Steal" is in quotes because it's 100% legal, since they're free software.)
Just buy rhel if you really want to use a rpm distro. Otherwise just stick to debian.
>buy rhel
Literally no reason to do this as an individual when Rocky exists. It's not even immoral to use Rocky.
Literally no reason for Rocky to exist when RHEL is available for free.
It's hard to believe there's actual Red Hat shills here. Don't you feel ashamed?
Thanks for having me, Carol.
Truth be told, at times it does get a bit tough and lonely around here. The majority of the users on this board share a very strong anti-corporate sentiment. Similarly, a lot of them have an obsession with staying on the bleeding edge of software releases. Given that distributions like RHEL and Ubuntu LTS are practically the polar opposites of that mentality, I find it difficult to share my opinions and experiences regarding these distributions and it is very rare that I manage to get any kind of interesting discussion going. Nevertheless, I stand firm by my decision to embrace LTS distributions purely for my own reasons and am quite proud of not letting myself be bullied into sacrificing my ideals just to conform to the majority opinion, which is a behaviour I see on this website (and in life in general) everyday.
I just don't understand why someone would be a corporate bootlicker and still use Linux. Windows Server is for you. To prefer Linux, you have to admit
>the corporate model isn't better for all software
>but also, some best-in-class corporate software (eg. Photoshop) will forever be inaccessible to you
Why not switch to Windows Server, where everything is built by corpos, not RHEL, where only some parts are built by corpos?
I can give you my reasons but I'm not going to try to fit them into your world view.
I don't have any strong opinions about whether the software I use is made by a multinational corporation or an individual. It just so happens that the distros with the release model that appeals to me the most (10+ years of support) are enterprise oriented ones. I switched to Linux partly out of interest, partly out of disillusionment with post-Win7 consumer editions. I'm more comfortable with using Linux than Windows at this point, which I feel is a useful skill to have, but I can always boot into my Windows partition (or start using it on a more permanent basis) should the need arise.
You mean when CentOS exists.
have you been living under a rock?
wake up moron
I refuse.
rhel is free for developers
>rhel is free for developers
RHEL is free for NEETs. You literally just need to make a free account (with fake details).
>worship ze melanin GOYIM
>buy rhel
You can download it for free, they offer self support licenses without cost, even for production purposes.
>has to reinstall for upgrade
no thx
i hate redhat and poetterware. but if i must use it, rhel copies are the way to go. better than ubuntu at least
but now that the dust has settled, what are the differences between rocky and almalinux?
They used to be pretty similar. Alma was a bit more corpo than Rocky but they both did the same thing. After the SRPM incident, Alma decided to capitulate to Red Hat and no longer be a pure RHEL source clone, and Rocky refused and remained a pure RHEL source clone.
>After the SRPM incident
quick rundown
IBM unpublished the public RHEL SRPM repo last year, hoping that would bring more contributions into CentOS Stream, from which RHEL can benefit. Rocky and Oracle doubled down and stayed downstream from RHEL. Alma felt they needed to find their own niche instead of just being another 1:1 clone, so they caved in and are now tracking CentOS Stream.
>https://www.phoronix.com/news/Rocky-Linux-RHEL-Source-Access
>https://www.phoronix.com/news/AlmaLinux-No-1-1-RHEL
>https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-almalinux-stays-red-hat-enterprise-linux-compatible-without-red-hat-code/
Going from memory so the details might not be 100% correct.
The old CentOS was a "rebuild" of Red Hat sources, so it was an exact clone. Because Red Hat is free software, it's completely legal to build it yourself and distribute the resulting distro for free. Red Hat bought CentOS, made a new project called CentOS Stream, which was wasn't an exact clone of Red Hat, more like an unstable upstream used for testing Red Hat changes, then they discontinued CentOS. In response Rocky and Alma sprung up, which were both Red Hat rebuilds like CentOS was. They could do that because Red Hat's source code (SRPMs) were still published on a public FTP server. Last year Red Hat took the public repo down and basically made it against their ToS to use a Red Hat subscription make a Red Hat clone. Alma capitulated and made their distro based on CentOS Stream instead, but Rocky promised to continue being a rebuild, basically by finding ways to "steal" the SRPMs. ("Steal" is in quotes because it's 100% legal, since they're free software.)
how good/bad is Rocky? I was always interested in it. are things like default SELinux policies included?
>Imagine being dumb enough to use a distro made by the guy that sold CentOS to Red Hat
I am personally just going to stick with the non-systemd distros. More comfy than peeing in my recliner.