I AM SO FRICKING FED UP WITH MODERN OFFICIAL ANDROID ® ONE © THEWAYITISSUPPOSEDTOBEENJOYED -EDITION ™
I'm constantly being confronted with completely trivial problems that are not solvable unless I give Google a permission to intrude or mingle with my use of Android. No, I DON'T want to have my location constantly on just so I could have my phone wifi on and connected to my home router!
FRICK OFF COLLECTING EVERY BIT OF DATA ON EVERY TURN YOU CAN ON US!! I KNOW I'M THE PRODUCT BUT THIS IS TOO MUCH, WE ARE TALKING ABOUT CENTRAL FUNCTIONS OF THE OS!!
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> LineageOS
> GrapheneOS
> Literally any degoogled rom that exists
Thank you Captain Obvious!
Unfortunantely custom roms don't support most of the phone models out there, so sometimes they are not a solution, especially if we are talking about average consumers. LineageOS for example supports only a handful of devices; https://lineageosdevices.com/ That being said, for the models they DO support, they are magnificent distros compared to the crap Google pumps out.
If it bothers you so much then why are you still buying phones that are not lineage compatible?
If you phone is Android 8+ just install a GSI, check if it has Treble support.
>Using GrapheneOS after the bromite incident
lol lmao
Who cares that the dev is a schizo, it's the most secure rom out there and he's actually competent when it comes to security
>dev schizo push a update and wipes your phone
>ever updating
moron
>Using GrapheneOS any time before that
lol lmao
the guy has a long history of shit like this, even before the Copperhead schism
bromite incident? wtf am I missing on?
t. happy GrapheneOS user since 6 months
>lineageos does not have it
Stop spewing shit you don't know about
Just the other day someone posted this, wondering why the Aliexpress app requires an access to Google account, even though the service uses its own accounts. What the frick even is Aliexpress iOS on Android? How are we expected to trust this kind of platform, if just the names of the app show signs of bad coding?
We are truly entering the age of visibly intrusive data collection with no end.
>we will keep periodically turning off your wifi connection unless you permanently give us your location
Excuse me how is this not blackmail?
this feature turns on WiFi automatically (when it is off) when you are close to your most frequently used WiFi network (eg your home), which is why it needs location.
as usual, OP is fricking moronic and everyone in this thread should kill themselves.
Shouldn't that just need the ability to detect wifi networks?
And how is the phone supposed to detect the wifi if its wifi functionality is turned off?
Turn it on to check, needing your physical location is jumping through hoops to solve a simple problem exclusively because they want your location data.
>you manually turn off your WiFi
>the OS should periodically turn it on to determine if it should turn it on
yep, you're moronic.
As opposed to
>you manually turn off wifi
>the OS tracks every step you take to determine if it should turn on the thing you turned off
You want it to turn on periodically to check if the home Wi-Fi is available? Since just leaving the Wi-Fi on continuously and automatically connecting when the home Wi-Fi pops up is already a thing?
I guess you could write an app to do that. I don't know if you can do it with cron through termux.
If you're going to do that dumb functionality you may as well do it in a sensible way rather than in the most privacy infringing way you can think of.
When WiFi is on, the OS already scans networks periodically to find which one to connect to. Making a feature that does the exact same thing, but gives you the illusion that you've turned your WiFi off is not "sensible".
You could easily reduce how often it scans and turn it off between scans. According to google the default is 20 seconds, you could easily expand that to a minute without noticing.
Besides, it is sensible, one uses the existing "check wifi is available" utility while the other uses "spam GPS's and sell your location data" utility.
Stop defending a blatant privacy infringement.
>You could easily reduce how often it scans and turn it off between scans. According to google the default is 20 seconds, you could easily expand that to a minute without noticing.
what you've described so far is not "turn WiFi on automatically" but "reduce WiFi scanning while pretending WiFi is off"
when users turn WiFi off manually, they don't want to run WiFi scanning in the background.
>one uses the existing "check wifi is available" utility while the other uses "spam GPS's and sell your location data" utility.
it doesn't spam GPS or sell your location data. Android is open source and you can verify how the WiFi system service handles location data in this case.
>when users turn WiFi off manually, they don't want to run WiFi scanning in the background.
If they don't want wifi on then they don't want it to randomly turn on in general.
>it doesn't spam GPS or sell your location data.
Lol.
Lmao.
>If they don't want wifi on then they don't want it to randomly turn on in general.
If a user has disabled WiFi and enabled "Turn WiFi on automatically" then he wants it to turn on.
>Lol.
>Lmao.
You dismiss the argument because you have no counterpoint. You have invented imaginary privacy monsters in your head without taking a look at how things actually work.
>If a user has disabled WiFi and enabled "Turn WiFi on automatically" then he wants it to turn on.
Then he has no problem with my suggestion, it's turning on automatically.
I dismiss the argument because it's moronic on its face. You're alleging Google, the biggest data sellers in the world, not only didn't intentionally design this feature to collect and sell your location data but they just don't collect and sell your location data.
>Then he has no problem with my suggestion, it's turning on automatically.
With your suggestion it never turns off.
>I dismiss the argument because it's moronic on its face. You're alleging Google, the biggest data sellers in the world, not only didn't intentionally design this feature to collect and sell your location data but they just don't collect and sell your location data.
I said that the WiFi system service gets your location and uses it locally and you can verify this in the source code. Why are you putting words in my mouth? You're arguing in bad faith.
>With your suggestion it never turns off.
What part of
>it turns off after it checks
Don't you understand?
>Why are you putting words in my mouth?
>it doesn't spam GPS or sell your location data.
I'm done.
>it turns off after it checks
If it "checks" then it's not ever turned off, it is constantly on. That's not what the "turned off" state is.
>>it doesn't spam GPS or sell your location data.
>I'm done.
You conveniently ignored the sentence right next to that.
So how much are they paying you for this?
>make ignorant argument
>be proven wrong
>resort to ad-hominem attacks
I accept your concession
>you're just ignorant, google doesn't collect and sell your data
Seriously, how much are you being paid?
Just to be clear, are you assuming that every single location request that every app/process makes is going through Google?
Google can't collect location data whenever an app makes a location request, unless it using the Fused Location Provider API which is part of Google Play Services.
No, I assume enough do to the point where they can track you effectively.
You know they've already proven you can map out army bases just by the data your phone tracks while in your pocket, right?
>Google can't collect location data whenever an app makes a location request, unless it using the Fused Location Provider API which is part of Google Play Services.
Interesting
So I guess this is mostly a power saving feature right? Users would want GPS outside so that is on anyway. WiFi would be turned off to save power.
>Users would want GPS outside so that is on anyway.
Who the frick wants that? The only time I ever use gps is if I'm going somewhere I'm unfamiliar with.
>just scan ssids everywhere I go constantly
That's just location permission on steroid
Of course, when you give Google the permission to scan the ssids, it will report them. There is no other way.
Yes that's literally what every single wifi capable device does unless you turn off wifi.
Well this 'feature' just happens to work so, that the wifi is actually constantly on (if I leave it so), but does not reconnect to the router if the phone momentarily leaves the range of the wifi. So every time I leave my house, even just to take the trash out, I get switched over to mobile data and have to manually navigate to the wifi settings and select my home router once I return.
How exactly do you defend this 'feature'?
You’re fricking moronic. That’s not how any of that works. If your phone doesn’t reconnect to your network automatically with that option being disabled then it’s either something you fricked up by being a schizo or your device is faulty. Take your meds.
How have we then had this feature before without a location service? I bet even your phone doesn't need one to recognize saved WiFi connections.
>I bet even your phone doesn't need one to recognize saved WiFi connections.
Your phone doesn’t either. It’s just that you’re mentaly challenged and can’t understand the simplest things even if they are explained to you like you’re fricking moronic.
I don't care about privacy and wouldn't mind if Google knew literally everything about me.
But Android is a shitty OS in general.
How would that service even work without location?
I have vanilla Android and I don't have this issue. Stop using bootleg chink phones, moron.
e/OS supports a shed load of phones of different manufacturers. But then again, so does LOS.
Glad I kept Android 10 can't stand newer
Wifi is considered a location service because it can be used to locate you based on the public and private wifi SSIDs around you. For instance, apps don't have access to SSIDs unless explicitly given the permission.
I guess it makes sense. When this change was first introduced it was confusing but apps could fingerprint the APs just like Google does.
>buys proprietary device with proprietary shit
>complains that it's proprietary device with proprietary shit
How could this happen?
Just turn the wifi on manually you gay. There's nothing i hate more when my wifi/mobile data switch on off by itself, disconnecting me randomly. The option is not enabled because it needs to know where you are or it won't know that it should enable the wifi(unless it enables the wifi and checks which defeats the purpose)
Thanks for your data human *collects data*