Genetically and culturally, are the Iberians the heirs of Rome?

Genetically and culturally, are the Iberians the heirs of Rome?

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No and no

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I have both southern and northern european DNA. I look like those roman busts and statues. Nothing like those moors who live in southern europe today.

      https://i.imgur.com/7ZcY72i.png

      Partially and partially.

      It appears that culturally and geneticamly Iberians are indeed the closest to actual
      No amount of amerimutt cope will change that

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes and yes

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Most Mexican people are only half-Amerindian, meaning that they have an even weaker claim to being Teotihuacans or Olmecs than Spanish people do to being Roman.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Your ancestors were genocided by those idiot

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          If the ancestors were genocided, how did they create the next generation?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Partially genocided

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      i'm afraid this

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Absolutely. Have always been.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I have both southern and northern european DNA. I look like those roman busts and statues. Nothing like those moors who live in southern europe today.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cope, mutt.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        If anything, you southrons are coping in account of not looking like ancient romans at all.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You're neither, you're an american mutt.

        https://i.imgur.com/Nf9w2SI.jpg

        We

        >The moorish looking black hair and brown eyes and brown skin southron calls the blond and fair skinned american a “mutt”
        Only on 4chin lol

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >brown eyes

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >wewuz Brutus 'n Shieet

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >We wuz Augustus n shieet

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Meds wuz

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Mutt means from two different species or nations. You can be fully n.european and still be a mutt you moron

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Exactly Black person, the average southron in europe is more of a mutt than an european american. Just look at them.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      You're neither, you're an american mutt.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      We

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The ancestors look like the descendants

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The ancient Romans all looked like PastaBlack folk, not PaellaBlack folk.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >t.amerimutt

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Partially and partially.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nice achievement on creating new mutt races but how do they explain their brown skin, black hair and black eyes?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Amerimutt meltdown. Tanned skin, dark hair and dark eyes are beautiful, virile, masculine and southern European. Looking like a pale pasty effeminate cuck is not a flex. Blonde hair only looks good on women.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        WE

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          What the frick does a disgusting pajeet have to do with Med GODS? Lmao the schizo homosexuals are literally trying to shill delusions, COMPLETE MELTDOWN mode kek

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            bharatgods are true inheritor of hellenic culture and you know it

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          You are judging on his face
          This talk about the body

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Are you serious

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      i'm afraid this

      Why do you seetge tho

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Genetically yes, culturally no.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Iberians the heirs of Rome?
    During the Council of Basel in 1434, the Spanish and the Swedes got into an argument over who was the true heir to the goths.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      That's the problem
      Spaniards think they are related to the Goths when the Goths left no genetic impact in Spain and when they were as distant as one european could be from Spaniards
      Meanwhile evzn though they arent directly descended from them early Romans (and Etruscans etc) are very similar to Spaniards genetically even more than ancient Iberians who are more like basques

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You don´t get it. The presence of Romans (from Italy) in Spain was as negligible (or even in less quantities) than the Goths.

        In Spain the only Romans (Italians) that came (to the biggest capitals) were soldiers and burocrats. How can someone from rural Soria, Orense or Cuenca have the exact amount of ""Roman"" that someone from Merida or Sevilla??

        Because IT IS NOT Roman blood but shared Neolithic ancestry.

        And it is also curious how most Iberians give so much power to the Romans when the Romans literally destroyed:
        -All previous cultures, languages, identities.
        -Imposed a language, religion, way of life
        -Destroyed cities, were extremely brutal, did sieges, had slaves, and a long etc.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          And Romanians call themselves that, even though the romans murdered and raped their ancestors.
          Your point?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          So in case you're living in a cave a lot of the wewuzz romans has to do with genetic studies published over the mast five years that show early romans as being close to spaniards genetically, slightly more than modern italians
          >All previous cultures, languages, identities.
          Basque are still there
          >-Imposed a language, religion, way of life
          So you tell us we should hate our language and religion because it was imposed by a people which is virtually identical to us genetically even though they came from the peninsula next door
          >-Destroyed cities, were extremely brutal, did sieges, had slaves, and a long etc
          Yeah shit happen, people then were less pussy than now

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/Duha0by.jpg

            Yes they are. Ancient Romans= Iberians, northern and central Italians

            Ancient Greeks: southern Italians, modern Greeks

            Which makes all the nordicist seethe and cope so glorious.
            >When the real samples come out you medbugs will see!!
            >NOOOO genetics are israeli!! This is a conspiracy!! White genocide!!
            >All the frescoes and art portraying tanned dark haired southern Europeans is fake, the originals are blonde and blue eyed!
            >They're hiding the real samples!
            >Greeks and Romans were dumb anyway all they did was stack rocksz Germanics TOOK US TO THE MOON

            The coping and seething is hilarious

            Just because they are genetically similar doesn't mean they're the same people, moron.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Closer than mongoloid northern Europeans will ever be. Keep coping and moving the goalposts amerishit

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            actual mongoloid,stop harassing women

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >has to do with genetic studies published over the mast five years that show early romans as being close to
            Nothing to do with the Roman Empire but shared Neolithic ancestry. The difference on the closeness of certain Spaniards being higher than Italians is like a .02% which can be explained either because italians received posterior DNA inputs or Spaniards conserved better ancient genetics that makes look like they are closer.

            Or do you really believe that hundred of thousands of italians moved to Spain?? For what reason? Romans, Goths, muslims were a tiny (1-2% of the total population).

            If it were Romans then explain why a Spaniard from an extreme isolated rural place in the middle of a mountain would score more closeness to Roman Empire than someone from Liguria?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Don't expect logic or coherence from the autistic morons on this board, anon. It's a waste of time.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Nobody argue that Spaniards are directly descended from Romans obviously they don't even have the same haplogroup.
            But it doesn't change that they were close genetically and if Italians are more distant because they got foreign admixture well it's too them. Also I still argue that north Italians are just behind Spaniards when it comes to genetic proximity

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >it's too them
            It's to them*

            Don't expect logic or coherence from the autistic morons on this board, anon. It's a waste of time.

            Stop seething.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Basically using that argument say Galicians, Castillans and Catalans aren't the same either but since they're close geneticalmy it's acceptable to throw them under the "Spaniard" umbrella.
            Obviously the same logic may apply to other countries
            It's all about distance.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Galicians, Castillans and Catalans

            But they are the same

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            They are genetically close but they are different ethnicities
            Like Bavarian and Suebians etc.
            My point is that what matter in the end is genetic distance. Spaniards don't feel related to Mexicans nor Anglos feel related to Jamaican because they're distant genetically even if they share to an extent similar genes and culture, language etc.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >muh ancient cultures
          Everyone’s ancient cultures were destroyed, whocares? It’s like Norris’s worshipping their worthless pagan ancestors from thousands of years ago and ignoring all the Christian ancestors inbetween.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why iberians have such stockholm syndrome
    The romans spent centuries butchering iberia

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Your ancestors were genocided by those idiot

      Indo European did far worse to your EEF ancestors and Im sure you dont even begin to give a shit.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        That was like in the neolithic
        Who the frick care

        [...]
        The Romans did not oppress the Iberian Celts, on the contrary they educated them and mixed with them, they founded cities, hospitals and roads, completely contrary to those Visigothic barbarians who plundered Spain.

        ranking of rulers of iberia

        1) Romans
        2) Greeks
        3) Al-Andalus
        4) Celts
        5) Carthaginians
        6) Visigoth barbarians and Alans savages

        Greeks ?

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >That was like in the neolithic
          >Who the frick care
          Exactmy
          And I don't caire either about what happened 2000 years ago

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Your ancestors were genocided by those idiot

      The Romans did not oppress the Iberian Celts, on the contrary they educated them and mixed with them, they founded cities, hospitals and roads, completely contrary to those Visigothic barbarians who plundered Spain.

      ranking of rulers of iberia

      1) Romans
      2) Greeks
      3) Al-Andalus
      4) Celts
      5) Carthaginians
      6) Visigoth barbarians and Alans savages

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yes they are. Ancient Romans= Iberians, northern and central Italians

    Ancient Greeks: southern Italians, modern Greeks

    Which makes all the nordicist seethe and cope so glorious.
    >When the real samples come out you medbugs will see!!
    >NOOOO genetics are israeli!! This is a conspiracy!! White genocide!!
    >All the frescoes and art portraying tanned dark haired southern Europeans is fake, the originals are blonde and blue eyed!
    >They're hiding the real samples!
    >Greeks and Romans were dumb anyway all they did was stack rocksz Germanics TOOK US TO THE MOON

    The coping and seething is hilarious

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Modern central Italians don't reamly ressemble romans, they're half way between them and greeks
      For some reason they cluster with Illyrians though

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why do people here, expect a Mediterranean ancient people group, to not look like modern mediterraneans, but to some other group living in forest up north?
      It's weird.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Autism.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Why do people here, expect a Mediterranean ancient people group, to not look like modern mediterraneans, but to some other group living in forest up north?
        >It's weird.
        Maybe because romans often depicted themselves as looking like Italians and
        Rome is in Italy?
        Maybe Genetics is full of errors?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because modern mediterranean people look like full blown arabs while ancient romans clearly had less moor mix and more northern and central european mix.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Show me these "Mediterranean" people that look like Arabs
          And no cherrypicked examples of people who are clearly gypsies

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous
          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            What did I just say, Black person?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >posts half-gypsy proving him right

            He is a pure Spanish bvll

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >posts half-gypsy proving him right

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Posts gypsy
            Most Italians are fair-skinned with sun tans, and green-brown eyes. If you disagree, you have never been to Italy or met a large non-Sicilian Italian family.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            He's Spanish

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Xavi, Sergio Busquets, Salvador Dali, Pablo Picasso, Penelope Cruz, Antonio Banderas, Franco
            Bernardo Silva, Bruno Fernandes, Fernando Pessoa, Edgar Morais, Gonçalo Ramos, Joao Cancelo
            Pavarotti, Inzaghi, Donnarumma, Verratti, Tonali, Chiellini

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >doesn't know what an arab or an iberian looks like
            Mutt moment. Just because you're racially confused, don't project that onto us

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Some of them does look arab

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Doesn’t know what an arab looks like
            Unlike you, who can just look in the mirror and see one

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Some of them does look arab

            I just can't with the mental illness. morons on this board actually believe that Europeans can't have dark hair or eyes, and if they do, must be some sort of mutt. How can you have a rational discussion with these people?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You dont. Thats why I come here, only to be entertained by these absolute morons and autistic schizos, watching them like animals in a zoo.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Europeans can't have dark hair or eyes
            I didn’t say that.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            In case you haven't noticed anon.
            Over 99% of non-white people in the world have brown hair and eyes...

            You dont. Thats why I come here, only to be entertained by these absolute morons and autistic schizos, watching them like animals in a zoo.

            >You dont. Thats why I come here
            Samegayging is weird anon.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Post hand, nose, nipples and foreskin. With timestamp.
            Want to talk shit, let's see who you really are

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Southern Europeans with tanned skin, dark hair, and prominent noses are Arabs!
            >Ignores that all frescoes, statues, and art depict them as... Tanned, prominent nosed, curly haired southern European types
            The coping and seething from mentally ill incels is hilarious

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            If you incels would see this guy on the street you'd claim he's an Arab refugee. He's the God of war, Ares, or Mars to the Romans, one of the most important deities of the pantheon to Romans.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No shit, southron. They were already mixed when they made these frescoes. But still not as mixed as nowadays, not that hard to get it.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Moving the goalpost dishonest piece of shit. Genetics, art, ancient history all disprove your filthy nordicist lies and you keep on coping. Here's a Mycenean frescoe (BRONZE AGE HOMERIC GREEK) from 1200 BC. Keep coping and embarassing yourself. Loser. Ancient southern Europeans resemble modern southern Europeans and your ignorant copes are just you in meltdown mode lmao.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/BJoXRCr.jpg

            Still in the denial phase LMAO. Pathetic. Frescoe of Ares, the God of war, Mars, one of the most important Gods in the Roman pantheon. Just keep coping and seething, seeing your tears is fricking hilarious.

            You realize that nitpicking random frescoes about unknown people or made up (Ares) don’t change the fact that you look NOTHING like Augustus, Hadrian or Trajan, right?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Cope + seethe + nordoid mental illness

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Here are the frescoes in better quality. They range from bronze age Minoan and Mycenean Greece, archaic, classical Greeks, to the Etruscans, to the ancient Romans, covering southern European civilization for thousands of years. Your cope doesn't even make sense in this context. You're in the bargaining phase at this point, we wuzzing nordicist scum.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Diomedes of the great war cry, the greatest Achaean warrior aside from Achilles. Prominent nose, curly hair, again, nordoids would see this man and claim he's a gypsy. Pure envy from we wuzzers, same as afeocentrist Black folk as far as I'm concerned.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Doesn’t look like a modern day southern moor.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Still in the denial phase LMAO. Pathetic. Frescoe of Ares, the God of war, Mars, one of the most important Gods in the Roman pantheon. Just keep coping and seething, seeing your tears is fricking hilarious.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Arabs and Europeans belong to same caucasian race. Roman busts look similar to arabs as well.
            Btw chiellini looks exactly like this

            https://i.imgur.com/CzqBukI.jpg

            >brown eyes

            .

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Arabs and Europeans belong to same caucasian race. Roman busts look similar to arabs as well.
            >Btw chiellini looks exactly like this

            >t. Mexican living in America

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I'm swarthy north European.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I'm swarthy north European.
            Actually you're a shitskin Mexican who spams meaningless shit when you have no argument.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Post coords or everything you say will be disregarded

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Wow you posted meaningless shit in Russian that nobody can read.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It says Belorussians in red, Russians in blue, and mordvins in green. Don’t ask me how I know, but I’m not a russhit.
            Anyway, he should’ve posted g25 coords. I don’t know where that’s from or what conclusions to draw other than maybe he’s Russian.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I don’t know where that’s from or what conclusions to draw other than maybe he’s Russian.
            The massive assumption even being that it's even his.
            This is like the South American fricks that post other people's hands and faces from Discord as their own.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >he’s Russian
            Yes.

            >I don’t know where that’s from or what conclusions to draw other than maybe he’s Russian.
            The massive assumption even being that it's even his.
            This is like the South American fricks that post other people's hands and faces from Discord as their own.

            Post your tg.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Post coords or everything you say will be disregarded

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            French don't look dark like that ever

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Even in the whitest parts of this map, where there are so many light eyes, 10-25% of the population has dark eyes. Brown eyes are still a Northern European trait.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            For some reason I find med looking Northern Europeans hotter looking than southern Europeans.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    The funniest thing to happen in the last 5 years was the revelation modern iberians are the closest living desdecents of the ancient Romans. The amount of seethe this generates among /misc/ tards and American morons gives me a semi. Keep the memes coming lads. They are hilarious.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I don’t understand why people are mad? Did they really expect Icelandic genetics or something?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Unironically ever since we know Italic language came from the Urnfield culture, which originated in central europe, people thought that Romans were going to be central europeans. You had a lot of meme about this back then and some morons still believe it.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Those two blond guys look completely germanic, although blond portuguese seem to be a minority, it is not really that rare, seen as more than 1 in 10 people in Northern Portugal are blond.
      How come the Moorish ancestry is so talked about but the Germanic is always said to be negligible? I get that it is negligible if you consider the entire peninsula, but the pockets and small villages, especially in the Suebi area, definitely have some Germanic ancestry.
      Where did the blond hair and blue eyes genetics come from?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        http://portuguesephenotype.blogspot.com/2013/10/coon-revoked.html
        http://portuguesephenotype.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-phenotype-of-portuguese.html
        There's some seethe from macaco comments, as one might expect

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >portuguesephenotype

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, Rome's presence in Iberia was completely extinguished by the Visigoth, sworn enemies of Rome. The heirs would have to be the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland through a long winding story and lineage, but one continual and uninterrupted. Romano-Brythonic Kings were the last surviving vestige of Imperivm Romanvm and survived until their rule over Lloegyr was restored by Henry Tudor (Goronwy Tudur). They never lost faith in the Roman civilizing mission amidst the mountains of Cymru and eventually brought its light to every corner of the globe.

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >couldnt even post an actual map of their real territorial acquisitions

    lol what is this shitty dishonest cope meme?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >amerimutt don't know abput tordesillas

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Pure kino

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Southern Europe = Sons of Rome

  16. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Sardinians and Corsicans are the closest to Romans, genetically and linguistically.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Corsicans no and Sardinian definitely not
      You dont know what youre speaking of

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Sardinian is the closest living language to Latin, and the peoples of those islands look a lot like ancient Roman art.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's also worth noting that Northern Italy was invaded by the Ostrogoths, and Sicily by the Moors, so the Sards are the closest in Italy to the Romans.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sardinian is the closest living language to Latin, and the peoples of those islands look a lot like ancient Roman art.

          Sardinians are almost pure EEF

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            True.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Corsicans are closest to actual republican roman sample

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          No they arent

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The closest are Terre de lebre and Rioja spaniards

  17. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Only the Ottomans can make that claim. They were the ones to actually conquer them for good. Greeks were called Roman well after the Byzantines fell.

  18. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    hispania emperors were great so they have that going for them

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