Ever since the invention of the radio, cinema, and television, literature and books were rendered obsolete and has been dying ever since. The question I ask if you today is How do we get boys to read at an early age, IQfy? Recent studies have shown that they direct less time than girls to process words, that they’re more prone to skipping passages or entire sections of books, and that they frequently pick books that are beneath their reading levels.
https://getpocket.com/explore/item/boys-don-t-read-enough
Have any of you guys thought of a plan to make reading more fun for boys or at the very least, try to reverse the trend?
I thought about using a Vtuber to appeal to them to read more.
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What the frick are you talking about.
IDK about the vtuber bullshit, but it's true that boys read less than girls:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/reading-minds/201803/what-is-it-boys-and-reading
unless they're based schizos like me
Boys are reading less, can’t you read?
he's a boy deshou
Deja vu, this thread again. Stop trying to shill your vtuber channel. Hiroyuki made an entirely containment board for this shit.
The thing is, what girls read is usually garbage literature in the first place. Stuff like YA lit is equivalent to or worse than what boys would actually be reading which also wouldn’t be counted, which is to say, manga and light novels and comics and we novels and so forth. there is a massive consumption of these by young boys and already the YA market and fantasy is rapidly trying to absorb the tropes and cliches and narratives of manga and light novels due to them being phenomenal at getting high young male readership, and also because a ton of people who are trying to write these days simply don’t read any of our traditional western literature, instead basing their writing on tv shows, movies and the aforementioned anime/manga.
Eventually our western YA material will be fully permeated with the Japanese style of young male wish fulfillment fused with the predominant genre formulae already employed, at which point we will logically see an uptick in young male readership. Someone like Sanderson is a proof that there’s still a big market in the young male audience for schlock.
Now I’m not saying it’s better or worse, shit tier content is shit tier content, but our home-grown anime pastiche will attract more people.
The thing about books is that even the schlocky ones are a strong gateaay into training the mind's eye to process information into an imaginative form, making it much easier to process more difficult works.
Not that there aren't plenty of great children's books and stories, even comics, but they're to be succeded by adult literature when the mind's ready.
Surprise to see this viewpoint on IQfy considering how elitist everyone is.
Sure but at that point boys are consuming plenty of material If we consider everything though, right?
>but they're to be succeded by adult literature when the mind's ready.
OK I can get behind that idea. However, are you sure that reading YA novels will really get kids into tougher works? Often the difficulty of classics comes from the frickton of antiquated cultural stuff that requires you to google something 5 times a page, and the much more nuanced and complex, "difficult" themes. Difficult and more challenging thematic works are present in all forms of media, from movies to videogames, but you don't see movie and videogame junkies naturally transitioning to that harder stuff. I question if reading would be any different. You'd have more luck introducing harder classic works to a guy that watches similarly challenging movies than a YA novel fan.
My personal master plan for educating the public is creating an addicting tropey free videogame which forces players into difficult ethical and moral dilemmas once they're hooked. Sorta like undertale tbh
>Recent studies have shown that they direct less time than girls to process words
Maybe they're just smarter so they don't have to spend as much time thinking about the definition of words?
>that they’re more prone to skipping passages or entire sections of books
Many books have pointless filler in them. If you're just looking to get the general idea there's no reason not to skim.
>and that they frequently pick books that are beneath their reading levels.
Reading isn't a competition to see who can read the "hardest" books.
The only thing to be concerned about here is that boys read less than girls in general, but with reading one should be more concerned about the quality of what they're reading rather than the quantity. I would rather young boys read one classic every year instead of a dozen shitty YA novels in a month. Young boys probably shouldn't be reading much anyways and should focus on more active things such as sports and constructive hobbies. I could argue that reading itself is a passive feminine activity with the exception of really good books that truly engage the reader. Women probably also watch more TV than men because that is similarly cheap passive entertainment.
>Reading isn't a competition to see who can read the "hardest" books.
>I would rather young boys read one classic every year instead of a dozen shitty YA novels in a month.
Was it autismo?
No, too much IQfy b
Classics aren't classics because they're "hard". They're classics because they hold cultural significance and are well-written. To Kill a Mockingbird is quite an easy read and may have more basic themes compared to what is mostly discussed on IQfy but that doesn't mean it's a bad book by any means and it is still considered a classic novel. Only pseuds try to play up the books they read as "hard" because they want to sound accomplished, just as some pseuds think a quantity of books read makes them smart. When it comes to encouraging the younger generation to read we should do so in a manner that doesn't make them into pseuds.
I probably just fell for bait.
>Classics aren't classics because they're "hard". They're classics because they hold cultural significance and are well-written.
You're on IQfy.
It's still surprising to me that people try to flex egos over reading fiction. In science, philosophy, history, or most other intellectual endeavors, the goal is to develop new theories by building on existing ones. As a literary elitist, attempts to flex egos are made by declaring that existing work(s) are beneath oneself and plebian. It's a purely negative endeavor which is why most of IQfy just reads for social capital and one-upsmanship anyway. No new knowledge is created here.
>It's still surprising to me that people try to flex egos over reading fiction
Because they got nothing else going for them.
Typical IQfy sexist autism. Women do this worse than men, women do that worse than men. Let's talk about literature. frick off
How about you be a good little prostitute and post your breasts, b***h.
I have to be a woman to disagree with this nonsense?
Post your country, third worlder
America.
It's probably impossible. The allure is too strong now and kids are constantly on their phones. Not that they're the only ones. Almost everyone is basically fellating that fricking thing and even people that read a lot and try to get their kids into books fail. One can only hope they'll come around to it later in life.
My mother toned me into it when I was little and it never went away. Had it been my father, well, I probably would have turned into a wage slave of the worst kind but that was back when the internet wasn't really around and phones were bulky giants. Nowadays you grow up with that shite and the internet and the TV and your social circle beats forces you to partake.
It isn't the allure, it's that books aren't instant communication.
And that we live under the perception that we need to be productive in order to succeed in life. Reading a book takes time, time that you're not spending with others (or listening to someone other), and we learn the most and are most productive when we are toghether.
First, you got to reform the school system, the way the school system introduces reading is terrible and counterproductive. The second, and perhaps more importantly, have authors write fun stories for boys/children. Those are my two cents.
Agreed with this comment about fun stories. As moronic as it may sound, I got into reading because of the series Beast Quest, and then quickly progressed to higher level stuff. It's fine for kids to read stupid stuff when they're young, but the trick is to make sure they don't stay at that level when they get older, like people who read lots of YA do.
I remember Animorphs, Redwall, goosebumps, etc. What's written for children today that's fun?
Now that you said it, what did happen to those series? And why haven’t they been replaced with new ones?
Brian Jacques is dead so no more Redwall. Animorphs concluded.
>YA (Young Adult)
Why is this term used to sell books aimed at teens who go through puberty?
Young adults are adults aged 18-30
Because its a marketing term and nothing more.
So the childish BookTok women can feel grown up because they're "adult", yet young and pretty because they're "young"
The bawdmaker wants to pimp out and ruin girls for their future husbands.
Warrior cats is still going
>The bawdmaker wants to pimp out and ruin girls for their future husbands.
>taking a IQfy shitpost seriously
>Warrior Cats is still going
I thought that ended?
No. Young adult fiction is written for 12-18. And I don't know where you pulled that number because I've always heard about people referring to 16-18 as young adults. But I suppose when the term was created that was what young adult meant, and now not so much.
You're correct that the term "young adult" is typically used to describe people after adolescence. It's just an inaccurate term that was probably used to emphasize that young adult books were precursor to adult fiction in people's reading progression; essentially, adult fiction for young people. Teenage fiction would be a more accurate term.
Also, after doing a bit more research, it looks like the term originated from an article in 1802 that defined "books for children" as <14, and "books for young persons" as 14-21, which feels roughly accurate.
Nice effort post
Here's what worked for me. My mother sat on my bed one night and told me she wasn't going to read to me anymore. Then she never did. She ran away with my sister and I've only seen her a couple times since. I figured she was really fricking serious about not reading to me anymore, and I kind of understood the basics of how to read, so I just tried hard until I could read more and more complicated books. In short, I think we should remove women from young boys lives early on and make sure those boys are surrounded by quality books.
men don't need to read
we understand things by interacting with the world, thinking, and debating
we play video games for entertainment
>men don't need to read
IQfy in a nutshell
Boys don't read because most of them are actually supposed to be learning real skills that they can perform with their bodies instead of sitting quietly and turning the pages of some YA novel with a progressive liberal slant. Reading isn't what they evolved for.
Boys not reading isn't a problem. It's that, to progressives, boys being masculine is a problem.
You have to go leave
I've been on IQfy daily since around 2013. Been on /misc/ maybe 20 times in my life.
IQfy daily since 2013 yet you've managed to internalize the post-2016 /misc/ tourist propaganda. Reading builds critical thinking, they said
>critical thinking
>it's wrong because someone who goes on /misc/ might think the same thing.
Sure, buddy.
>Boys don't read because most of them are actually supposed to be learning real skills that they can perform with their bodies instead of sitting quietly and turning the pages of some YA novel with a progressive liberal slant. Reading isn't what they evolved for.
>Boys not reading isn't a problem. It's that, to progressives, boys being masculine is a problem.
In 99% of human societies reading was an essential characteristic of masculine education, alongside gymnastics etc.
I think most human societies, on the total scale of humanity's existence, have not had writing. But of those that had writing, probably.
yeah kek I was exaggerating, obviously a moronic comment from me. but in most literate societies yes. seems strange to describe the hypermasculine greeks as feminine
>hypermasculine greeks as feminine
They did had sex with children.
That does seem to be a feature of patriarchal societies
And yet, the majority of men in those societies were illiterate.
I'm not criticising the act of reading to understand the history of one's culture. I'm criticism the liberal hand wringing over the fact that men aren't reading as a leisure activity the way women are.
If a guy plays videogames, and his gf reads YA, is she using her time more wisely? I don't think so.
If a man goes to the gym and his gf reads YA, is she using her time more wisely? I don't think so.
There's nothing inherently virtuous about reading for readings sake. It's about what you read, not that you read. And most men aren't going to get anything out of reading Homer so what's the point.
>And most men aren't going to get anything out of reading Homer
How do you figure?
You talk with the average dude? They're dumb as a sack of bricks. They'd get filtered by the catalogue of ships.
Maybe the men I talk to are a skewed sample but I wouldn't have thought so.
Are you a bot?
We should reward young boys who read books with sex from girls. Of course they shouldn't be rewarded if they speed-read schlock books. Rather they should only be rewarded if they read classics or other worthwhile books, and then be tested on their ability to retain the information and cum to their own conclusions about what they read. Boys who show good reading comprehension with notable books should get first pick of the girls they want to frick, while the more illiterate boys choose last. Or maybe it should play out like a striptease, where if the boy answers a question correctly his hot teacher takes off another piece of clothing, but if he gets too many questions wrong he blows his chance at getting sex and is left blueballed.
You forgot to bump.
This is a garbage thread and OP has made it like three times already. I'm not going to willingly bump this bot-tier thread. I'm already taking a risk with this reply - you're probably trying to get me to admit to a sage so you can report me and get me banned. Well guess what, homie? I didn't sage this time. I hope you enjoy this garbage thread being on page one again. People complain about IQfy going into the shitter in regards of quality but when I make an active effort to keep the board clean by using a sage for it's intended purpose some homosexual calls me out for it. This is pushing me to the breaking point - maybe no one actually wants IQfy to have quality discourse any more. When this board is nothing more than blue /misc/ I hope you will look back at this post and realize what you are responsible for. homosexual.
You come to IQfy for discussion?
Clearly you don't.
I do, but I realize how pointless it all is when the rest of the bird doesn’t.
I don't think you can force it, but if more women found well-read men attractive it would be a big step in that direction. (I mean, I find well-read men attractive but I may not be the average woman.)
> but I may not be the average woman
Yes because you have a penis anon
That was four days ago, anon. She won’t see it.
She’ll never notice you.
Show them books that appeal to them, that they're intrinsically motivated to read. That's going to differ by the individual.
>Ever since the invention of the radio, cinema, and television, literature and books were rendered obsolete and has been dying ever since.
So why is boys not reading a bad thing? The only reason anyone in past even bothered with literature was because for the longest time there weren't any superior alternatives. Literature had it's time, but it's over now. It deserves to die and be forgotten.
The thing is, this easy, comfortable and effortless form of recieving information makes boys weak and lazy from a young age. Why sit down and enjoy a book when you can overstimulate yourself with some spergy youtube video instead? Why retain information when immediate entertainment and gratification is so much easier? Making men think this way- and think that it's normal to do so, causes much more harm than the minor inconvenience of not having to try as hard to consume something, just because you don't feel like it.
>Queen Ophelia III
I just check this b***h on youtube, and she does book reviews, and it turns out she's from IQfy.
The frick?
>and it turns out she's from IQfy.
I keep seeing this, is this true? Why does she read if she's from IQfy.
>It was two years ago!
Hahahhahahaha (1:19:00~ )
But she's right.
I heard her. I never knew this about the book. Silly incongruence timeframe.
>“It was so long ago since I wore pants” it was two years ago!
Oh Margaret
>I just check this b***h on youtube, and she does book reviews, and it turns out she's from IQfy.
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>The frick?
She can't be from IQfy, she read the books and gave a somewhat okay review on them.
I wish she did more read alongs.
I'm hoping she does.
>she read the books and gave a somewhat okay review on them.
She's really passionate about them.
>using a Vtuber
How is pretending to be a lust provoking anime girl supposed to better the world?
If this is what's involved in "getting boys to read", then they shouldn't be reading in the first place.
I think there’s some healthy equilibrium going on with less males reading. I don’t wish them a poorer education, but a little more understanding. Everyone’s different (what I’m just now listening to from this John Taylor Gatto guy) and can learn what they want and need in a variety of ways.
(Queen Ophelia sounds cute)
I'm pretty sure that book is pseudoscientific nonsense with some pretty transparent mistakes about several world languages and cultures.
It’s pretty accurate, but the human mind is still mysterious and evolves easier. It’s a mystery why goddesses disappeared and why violence erupts at certain moments in history. This brain surgeon makes a decent case.
Interested to hear about these “transparent mistakes about language”
I can't recall them now but I remember seeing a webpage showing some quotes from it about Chinese writing that are hilariously wrong to anyone with a smattering of Chinese.
Frick off and have a nice day for once
Read a book for once.
For once, I am
why would the system want well read boys they would be a threat to it
If the system built by men was allowed to reach that point then sounds like men were new a threat in the first place.
There's one already.
Who’s this?
Who?
Weren't Novels written for the consumption of upper middle-class women for most of their history? All we're seeing is a return to form, the Novel had its time. Elevating the Novel to the highest form of art was a product of its time.
This. There’s nothing uniquely noble or valuable about the novel or the “western literary canon”. Most “great novels” are pretty shit actually.
There are so many things that people can and do read instead of traditional literary fiction - manga, light novels, philosophy, political essays and news articles, hell they read fricking IQfy posts, thanks to public internet discussions more people are doing more reading and writing than ever before. If you think these media are low quality and don’t provide value, then work to improve the forms of reading that are actually relevant to people’s lives instead of trying to revive forms that are dead.
>Most “great novels” are pretty shit actually.
I think most people who read them can agree, but this is IQfy and no one here reads….
What's with your preoccupation with young boys? Seems a lil sussy.
>lil sussy.
Vtubers are increasingly popular *among* teenage boys, and a lot of vtubers are shotacons/e-girlcons (yes, in that female-dominated space), so if OP is actually that vtuber shilling their channel here there's a good chance they do indeed have a thing for young boys and wants to relish in the attention of a bunch of horny teenage boys who need help with whatever book they're reading in school.
>Have any of you guys thought of a plan to make reading more fun for boys or at the very least, try to reverse the trend?
/jp/ here, someone is buying all those English translations of light novels. I'm even thinking of writing in that format myself.
>Vtubers are increasingly popular *among* teenage boys
>teenage boys who need help with whatever book they're reading in school.
I have on and off thought about becoming a Vtuber but I have never made this connection.
What do you think are the most important ingredients of a good light novel?
Light Novels are episodic YA novellas with anime illustrations. Earlier series like "Baccano!" "Bakemonogatari" and "Spice and Wolf" where relatively high concept for YA but now it's mostly isekai. It's so pervasive that this anime season has a adaptation of "The Executioner and Her Way of Life" a recent Light Novel that fallows a assassin that kills isekai mc's before they can do edgelord shit.
I can't brake it down to a formula but if you REALLY want to write for the anime audience
>try to fit in a cute girl or two as long as it doesn't brake the tone of the story
>isolation is the WORSE thing that can happen someone EVER
>relationships (all of them, not just romantic) are VERY IMPORTANT
>you can go between comedy and drama as long as you build up to it / not to jarring
>have a basic, working knowledge of Japanese culture
^What I came up with researching for a Touhou doujinshi I'm certainly working on.
this is a great post your summary of what makes an LN audience appealing is on point
btw its break not brake 🙂
>btw its break not brake 🙂
I was taught to spell by sound so I often get things like that wrong.
>My personal master plan for educating the public is creating an addicting tropey free videogame which forces players into difficult ethical and moral dilemmas once they're hooked. Sorta like undertale tbh
You reminded me that "Trolley Problem, Inc." is a thing.
Any thoughts on this?
If your parents didn't read to you as a child
If you weren't reading books with exciting masculine themes in your formative years
It's too late
You can't expect these kids to read when all they know is that books are gay shit like to kill a mockingbird
Yes you can, it's called not being a b***h.
To kill a mocking bird is good.
Sounds like an excuse IQfy would come up with.
If you think To Kill a Mockingbird is some gay shit you need to actually read it.
For some reason you people can't understand that I'm describing the pov of a boy who doesn't like to read
This is IQfy. No one likes to read.
>You can't expect these kids to read when all they know is that books are gay shit like to kill a mockingbird
imo this is a big part of why interest in books is falling. it turns out most middle and high schools students couldn't care less about small town racism in the 30s or the biography of some pakistani refugee
Its not like cinema and television are exclusive to boys. both my brother and my sister are equally disinterested in reading, and they never talk about books with their friends either.
>both my brother and my sister are equally disinterested in reading, and they never talk about books with their friends either.
Do they happen to post on IQfy?
I wouldn't be surprised.
God, I hope not, we already have enough shitters as is.
😀
We shouldn't. Reading is just another consoooomer activity like any other. If anything, it's worse since it alienates you from most people's interest. Unironically better off playing FIFA or Call of Duty.
What about reading books of quality and historical interest, and participating in the so-called great conversation?
If I somehow manage to reproduce and have a son I would much rather him have an interest in things that let him have friends and be sociable rather than nerd shit that I took an interest in during my youth. People skills are more important than any sort of intellectual knowledge for living a happy life. I want my kid to be a 90 IQ football chad instead of a 140 IQ depressed logician and if he reads books in his youth he'll be more likely to turn out like the latter. If I never played video games or used the internet or read books in my youth I would've retained my interest in sports and other people and I would be happy and sociable now.
Reading books doesn't increase your IQ. Having a high IQ allows you to read more books. Which is more fun than standing in the sun waiting for a ball to come your way. But stupid people have limited options.
Sounds like cope, anon. Just admit being physically active is better.
One should do both. A sound mind housed in a sound body. But sports just aren't as good as intellectual pursuits.
>But sports just aren't as good as intellectual pursuits.
Have you seen the state of /lit? I'll rather be active.
>People skills are more important than any sort of intellectual knowledge for living a happy life
They are the same thing, unless you refer to intellectual knowledge as just general random trivia, in which case yes it is useless. Reading is important not because it in itself is some path to success, but because it is the means by which you access certain ideas and thinkers. Read, but don't read shit like YA novels except for entertainment. It is a BIG assumption that going into sports would have magically guaranteed you success. Plenty of people who went into sports turned out loser paper pushers. The difference isn't sports, it's your thirst for exerting your will, which you can do no matter what your interests are. Basically, are you a pussy or not. There are plenty of chad "pussy crushing" book nerds, you just weren't one of them.
Social skills are very important yes, mostly because if you don't have them you're fricked. If you want social skills just apply to be a server and wrestle with that for a few months, you'll make huge progress. Approach socializing like an engineering problem, analysis and finding solutions. You will then reach "normie level" where just talking to people is easy and doesn't improve you anymore, and boom you're done.
One thing you will learn as you socialize is that people who are so desperate for social acceptance that they will cast aside their passionate interests in something like reading and do something else like "join sports because i wanna be a chad" are losers and are just fricking themselves over. If you want your kid to be happy nurture his passions AND develop social skills (which should ideally be the fricking norm regardless of your lifetstyle)
Go on.
Have you not noticed the new trend of boys reading litrpg and progression fantasy stories?
What's litrpg? A novel that reads like someone just transcribed the events of a role-playing game?
Exactly. It's the newest literary schlock trend, and from what I hear it's kind of profitable. If you're a writer and you don't mind debasing yourself like that just write some self-insertable fantasy RPG story.
What if I just joined in a D&D campaign and literally wrote down what happened?
If the protagonist can see and interact with the system than it would be a litrpg,
Like they can see when they level up and choose what skills they get.
Then you have The Malazan Book of the Fallen.
I think the current form of YA ends up trapping people into just reading that, but I think you're missing the step of "adult novels" that aren't classics. Going from children's books -> YA -> adult books -> harder classics is a reasonable progression, but most people stop at one point and fail to progress.
basically action/fantasy/sci-fi novels where the main character either is playing a virtual reality video game or the videogame system affects the real world.
Like they workout for a few hours they get a point in strength.
So it's, like... the western equivalent of isekai?
It's been 10 years since Sao came out ...
Unironically super-hero (Marvel, DC, Star Wars, etc.) stories with increasing difficulty levels. Put some high quality comic tier pictures, get some Zoomer streamers to shill it, and they'll sell better than funko pops in no time at all.
Captcha: USR0T
All your rambling (and almost ramblings of the same sort) can be reduced to this word: "plebs".
You will never get a well educated, read, etc working class. It won't happen, it never does. Stop losing your time with clouds.
I'll read any book she wants if it means a cute vtuber gril will give me personalized JOI and send me lewd fanarts she made of herself.
Her videos are good.
They really are.
It's literally the simplest thing, marketing stories to boys is easy as fricking cake
>male protagonist that isn't a pussy wimp
>have him do cool shit, but don't make it too easy. make him work for his victories
>either give him rad as frick powers or put him in interesting situations in an exotic location
>also include one or two cute girls who are into the main hero
That's literally it. If you want boys and young men to read, just do the above. Guys aren't complicated, for the most part our tastes are pretty simple. Pic very related.
Spiderman is shit.
He’s the most popular superhero in the world. He must be doing something right.
That’s Superman.
Time for bed gramps
He's right though, Superman is more famous and more well-known.
The Superman symbol is the most recognized superhero emblem in the world, yes. But Spider-Man moves more merchandise than Batman and Superman combined. It’s not even a contest. In terms of popularity, Spider-Man is the clear winner.
>Superman symbol is the most recognized superhero emblem in the world
Then that means Superman is more famous and more well-known
But not more popular. If he was, he'd be the top dog of sales. But he isn't. Spider-Man is.
>He’s the most popular superhero
Batman, Superman, hell, even the flash is more famous.
famous =/= popularity
there's no way in hell Flash or Superman move more merch or sell as much as Spider-Man. the only one to even come close is Batman.
Flash? Give me a break. The Tick is more famous than him.
Reverse flash is more famous.
I have no idea what you’re talking about, DC kid.
correct
only when he's being written by low test dweebs like Dan Slott
>Dan Slott
Who?
Few even read regularly as a hobby anyway. Boys aren't really repulsed by reading though, they just need books they can find interesting. There's a reason in the old days boys were given plenty of adventure novels and such to read.
>There's a reason in the old days boys were given plenty of adventure novels and such to read.
That and because books were cheap, like 5 cents, unlike today.
Leave 12-year-olds to me.
Is he our final hope?
Of what? What is that even supposed to mean?
To have children read more books.
I recommend you get a total craniectomy.
He’s right though
Never knew Felix was out last hope for IQfy.
Is he still doing book reviews.
Rarely but he'll still occasionally mention some he's read
Ah, that’s a shame.
His book mentions are great.
Men hate reading because they were conditioned by school to think that reading sucks. They were forced to read shitty books like the Great Gatsby. If they had read actually fun books like The Chronicles of Narnia or the Hobbit, more men would want to read.
But there is also the fact that men are visual creatures. They respond to images more than women do. Give a man the choice between reading manga/comics or a book and most of the time they'll pick the one with the pictures. Books might be more popular if they had a lot of illustrations inside to go with them.
>Men hate reading because they were conditioned by school to think that reading sucks.
Stop going to /misc/.
What does /misc/ have to do with it?
>Men hate reading because they were conditioned by school to think that reading sucks
>Queen Ophelia III
I love her so much bros.
As does IQfy.
frick this entire blatant self-shill thread. the obvious self-bumps.
this guy's vtuber avatar is the worst i've ever seen.
>guy
You’ve never seen
The frick are you on about?