the file search is an abomination, i will concede that
it can't find SHIT
however, gnome with the default dash-to-panel and desktop icons is essentially the windows 10 experience without the windows 10 thing, which is why i use it
it's preference.
maybe i'm getting old, but i really do appreciate the traditional desktop metaphor.
gnome 3 looks like a tablet/smartphone interface to me, and i dislike that. i liked gnome 2, i like xfce.
Because typing is faster even if you have to search for the application. With the mouse as a pointer device you have to reach for it target it move to your target and then click it precisely. While this gets quicker and quicker the more you do it so does using the keyboard. And the keys are always at the same position contrary to the mouse.
And he was just talking about pressing Super and typing the apps name.
In gnome you use Super+1 and that's it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>because typing is faster
I'm not in a rush, I take it easy with my left hand on my face and my right on the mouse and I don't wanna type shit when I can just click.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>because typing is faster
I'm not in a rush, I take it easy with my left hand on my face and my right on the mouse and I don't wanna type shit when I can just click.
Also you are missing the point, desktops can have both mouse and keyboard options at the same time. The real issue here is that GNOME deliberately shits up one of the options and deservedly gets shit for it.
What's fat about it? It is a single bar at the top of the screen.
Also like I said it doesn't look like a tablet interface. It looks like a UNIX interface.
All the popular tablet platforms just happen to be UNIX systems.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>What's fat about it
When I open it, it takes up the whole screen. Low density UI is the work of the evil men.
>tablet interface (gnome) is a fat hog >windows interface with 20 panels icons and submenus is lean
The only difference between tiling managers like Sway and Gnome is that Gnome looks nicer. If you are unemployed and have low IQ but want to convince yourself of a 95IQ (which nobody in your family ever reached) you can use KDE Plasma or another tiling manager.
When did I say anything about Windows? When I use Windows at work I have a custom start menu that lists all applications and all utilities in a column of text. KDE does this too which is great. Gnome puts a few things on a giant full screen Vista like panel which is cursed. I personally super+keyword launch everything but sometimes I have a brain fart so seeing only some things on the screen won't help me remember what I'm doing but seeing everything on concise text list will.
>gnome looks like a fat hog >it has a single bar at the top and nothing else >but also it somehow looks like a tablet UI
Let me guess gnome is also a macos clone because both have a bar at the top right?
What? I just hate the full screen menu. I use my taskbar up top (16:10 or 3:2) or on the right (16:9) for every OS. Linux, Windows, or BSD. Full screen low-info density menus are cursed. I don't have a tablet. I keyword launch everything if I know what I want but when I don't know what I want I need to be able to see everything after the first key press. Not a curated tile of icons. I'm not a caveman.
KDE is great because it has a nice lean menu out of the box and I can make it leaner very easily. Also lets me strip decorations/titlebars/etc with a single click to maximize work space. It also scales to smaller sizes much better than gn*me. Why do you homosexuals want to use a tablet interface?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Why do you homosexuals want to use a tablet interface?
They don't, they just pretend it doesn't exist. Gnomies wear blinders, they act as if their use case is the only clear one and the desktop should only cater to their specific autistic workflow and shaft everyone else.
And their idea is fricking shit as evidenced by the fact that the most popular GNOME distro and a bunch of others are forced to include third-party extensions that address GNOME's design failures so people can actually use it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Gnome exists to be the default graphical user interface for modern UNIX systems.
If you want a complete full featured end-user desktop workflow creation kit, KDE exists.
What would be the point of Gnome being KDE, but GTK?
Many of the most used extensions aren't even third-party, extensions are an official (if somewhat neglected) feature.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>When I open it, it takes up the whole screen
So the larger desktop thumbnail widget, the search box, and the dash should be cluttering the screen all the time? No thank you.
You're looking at things the wrong way around. It isn't a full screen 'start menu', it is a multi-application management interface closes and gets out of your way while you are working.
I'll acknowledge the app drawer within the overview is a bit of an afterthought in the interface if that's what you're talking about, I think it just suffers from a general lack of attention and the fact it has to deal with information that only makes sense for a 'start menu' which somewhat limits what they can do with it without breaking cross-desktop standards. Nobody actually uses it, but they know it needs to be there.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>So the larger desktop thumbnail widget, the search box, and the dash should be cluttering the screen all the time?
I know you're gnomebrained and can't fathom the idea of having options, but try to understand
You know those extensions amateurs make for free that add basic desktop features every other desktop has? You just have the professional GNOME developers officially implement them, and have them be toggleable. It's cutting edge, I'll admit maybe too cutting edge for people who just delete the system tray, have no way of seeing or interacting with background apps and then implement patchworked background apps in a nested menu that is grossly more impractical than the system tray they removed.
Gnome exists to be the default graphical user interface for modern UNIX systems.
If you want a complete full featured end-user desktop workflow creation kit, KDE exists.
What would be the point of Gnome being KDE, but GTK?
Many of the most used extensions aren't even third-party, extensions are an official (if somewhat neglected) feature.
The only problem here is a desktop that only caters to niche autists has no business being the flagship DE and the face of Linux desktop. That position must necessarily be fulfilled by an accessible and conventional desktop that is palatable to most computer users.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>You know those extensions amateurs make for free
Like I said, a lot of those extensions are in fact official, and made by the professional maintainers of the project.
>and have them be toggleable.
There is in fact a UI for managing and toggling the extensions. Could be better, but it does exist. It is the kind of thing most users will do once, and then forget about, so it is sort of an afterthought.
Gnome has really moved more towards offering different session setups rather than allowing free-form settings. It makes it easier to QA.
>fulfilled by an accessible and conventional desktop that is palatable to most computer users.
Which is why Gnome does in fact have concessions to more mainstream users familiar with other UNIX interfaces. Basically why it does visually mimic other modern NextStep inspired UIs that make up 73% of the market. Rather than being ratpoison or hyprland.
For the minority of users coming from legacy non-UNIX interfaces they are unwilling to let go of, there are UIs that are intended to either duplicate their feel, or provide something more familiar and retro to ease them in.
There are even distributions that use those UIs by default like Xubuntu, but having a overall default UI that is aimed at a relatively small minority of users switching from non-standard platforms doesn't make sense as the default for UNIX overall.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Jesus Christ you people have lost your minds. Enjoy your kiddie user interface.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
As opposed to what? One designed by Fischer Price?
Do you need a big distracting blue bar with a big green button displaying all the time?
Gnome normally gets out of the way. If I need to do something like launch an application, or check up on something its a keystroke away, and then just as quickly dismissed.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
What? Yeah Gnome has a low-info density fisher price design. Are you confusing me for someone who likes Gnome?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Just how much clutter do you need displaying constantly? There is a reason why most of us don't use UIs that look exactly like this anymore even if that is what inspired modern UNIX desktops.
Gnome is basically minimal UIs of the type preferred by UNIX professionals over the last 20 or so years, plus some bits designed to be familiar to people coming from more modern NextStep inspired UNIX UIs to help them adjust.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Gnome tablet edition isn't in any of the multi-million dollar UNIX systems I run. Nor is it on any of the Linux servers my enterprise runs. Nor any government agency I've contracted with. Nor in FedEx, Autozone, Solvey, Dow, GlaxoSmithKline or any of the other large corporations I've worked for. Only braindead meat puppets use a tablet UI on a desktop or server.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>isn't in any of the multi-million dollar UNIX systems I run
I wouldn't expect those kind of systems to have any GUI. They're fundamentally unnecessary for what they're being used for.
>tablet UI
Gnome is a minimalist desktop UI for UNIX professionals in the modern UNIX tradition of interfaces. The way it works can really be summed up as 'imagine if vi was a desktop'.
You confuse it for a 'tablet' because all the popular tablet systems are also from that tradition.
Honestly what would you want it to look like?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>Honestly what would you want it to look like?
Windows
>tablet interface (gnome) is a fat hog >windows interface with 20 panels icons and submenus is lean
The only difference between tiling managers like Sway and Gnome is that Gnome looks nicer. If you are unemployed and have low IQ but want to convince yourself of a 95IQ (which nobody in your family ever reached) you can use KDE Plasma or another tiling manager.
>gnome looks like a fat hog >it has a single bar at the top and nothing else >but also it somehow looks like a tablet UI
Let me guess gnome is also a macos clone because both have a bar at the top right?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
No, MacOS is a UNIX OS. The UI in MacOS is a direct descendant of NextStep, and NextStep is the inspiration for a lot of later innovation in UNIX GUI. It shouldn't be surprising that Gnome looks like a UNIX GUI because it is the default UNIX GUI.
You just think everything 'looks like a tablet' because tablets were your first exposure to modern UNIX GUIs.
Gnome is built around some pretty solid UI concepts. >The user has their hands on the keyboard, let them keep them there as much as possible
Which is why Gnome's HIG include a big focus on keyboard shortcuts.
>If the user uses a mouse (or other pointer style input), give them something large to target (preferably infinitely large).
Thus the large icons, the fits law compatible dash, and the hot corner for the overview.
>So, anons, why is this bad?
Its a buggy piece of shit that required third party extensions to work and that's when updates don't break the motherfrickers first. I tried it for a week or so and just couldn't wrap my head around the workflow though I will say that Canonical makes it usable. Growing up on Win9x I got used to a certain pattern of productivity and Unity has been the only non-Chicago layout that I liked. Hell, I'd say it was the GOAT but for now its Cinnamon.
>You see Gnob is good because well it just is ok, as long as you change a bunch of shit, install a bunch of extensions and ignore the full screen app list.
I like it but they need to support high DPI monitors better. So much wasted space all over the place.
They also need to get on top of supporting features quicker like HDR and VRR. KDE is beating them on that front now.
>Just how much clutter do you need displaying constantly?
99% of computer users will agree with a taskbar or a dock and your UNIX religiousness comes across as tone-deaf ramblings to all but the biggest assburgers. Your image is not comparable to modern desktops as they don't have anywhere near that much screen real estate robbed by UI, but you knew that, you're just a disingenuous little shit.
>99% of computer users
Come on now. That hasn't been the case in decades. 73% of users today use NextStep inspired interfaces. With a dock that is centered at the bottom of the screen, and generally set up to auto-hide.
The Dash in Gnome fills the same purpose, in the same position, the only difference is it is hidden except in the contextual overview when the user chooses to display it.
Most distributions do include the official Dash to Dock extension as an option for users who want it.
>Honestly what would you want it to look like?
Windows
>Windows
Does it really make sense to slavishly copy an obsolete UI from a dead platform as the default for modern UNIX systems?
Not even recent NT releases use the old Windows UI anymore.
For users who want a legacy interface, they exist.
I can't duplicate the top bar on a secondary display.
there's no use case for that
What are you talking about? I can on my machine and I'm acktchually annoyed the option is there wasting space in >settings>display.
>Ubuntu 20.04.6
Because KDE is better.
That's just obtuse and uninformed venting which I won’t dignify with a comment.
>Emmanuele Bassi
because resolution is too low
Fullscreen support will be removed starting from next version
What is this, a screenshot for ants?
i am actually downloaded it from official gnome site
Wait a minute, is it a screenshot for gnomes?
It's one big violation of Fitts law principles.
Is it? The corners and edges of the screen are used extensively.
There is no debate, GNOME developers are shitty at developing. They are just bad at everything.
worst file explorer in existence
the file search is an abomination, i will concede that
it can't find SHIT
however, gnome with the default dash-to-panel and desktop icons is essentially the windows 10 experience without the windows 10 thing, which is why i use it
it's preference.
maybe i'm getting old, but i really do appreciate the traditional desktop metaphor.
gnome 3 looks like a tablet/smartphone interface to me, and i dislike that. i liked gnome 2, i like xfce.
traditional menu shows more while not blocking your entire screen
Ok but are you actually looking at this?
KDE:
> press Super
> type name of application
> enter
GNOME:
> press Super
> type name of application
> enter
typing is more effort than just clicking a thing on your taskbar or favorites, why would I do that?
Because typing is faster even if you have to search for the application. With the mouse as a pointer device you have to reach for it target it move to your target and then click it precisely. While this gets quicker and quicker the more you do it so does using the keyboard. And the keys are always at the same position contrary to the mouse.
And he was just talking about pressing Super and typing the apps name.
In gnome you use Super+1 and that's it.
>because typing is faster
I'm not in a rush, I take it easy with my left hand on my face and my right on the mouse and I don't wanna type shit when I can just click.
Also you are missing the point, desktops can have both mouse and keyboard options at the same time. The real issue here is that GNOME deliberately shits up one of the options and deservedly gets shit for it.
What's the use case of Gnome?
Its itoddler tier vs KDE
I don't have a touchscreen or a tablet, nor do I want one or want my DE to behave like I have one.
You are in luck then, Gnome is a keyboard driven interface.
It only superficially resembles some tablet UIs because they both resemble updated versions of NextStep a UNIX UI from 30 years ago.
I don't want it to look like a tablet interface. Why would I want to look at a fat hog when I want something lean?
What's fat about it? It is a single bar at the top of the screen.
Also like I said it doesn't look like a tablet interface. It looks like a UNIX interface.
All the popular tablet platforms just happen to be UNIX systems.
>What's fat about it
When I open it, it takes up the whole screen. Low density UI is the work of the evil men.
When did I say anything about Windows? When I use Windows at work I have a custom start menu that lists all applications and all utilities in a column of text. KDE does this too which is great. Gnome puts a few things on a giant full screen Vista like panel which is cursed. I personally super+keyword launch everything but sometimes I have a brain fart so seeing only some things on the screen won't help me remember what I'm doing but seeing everything on concise text list will.
What? I just hate the full screen menu. I use my taskbar up top (16:10 or 3:2) or on the right (16:9) for every OS. Linux, Windows, or BSD. Full screen low-info density menus are cursed. I don't have a tablet. I keyword launch everything if I know what I want but when I don't know what I want I need to be able to see everything after the first key press. Not a curated tile of icons. I'm not a caveman.
KDE is great because it has a nice lean menu out of the box and I can make it leaner very easily. Also lets me strip decorations/titlebars/etc with a single click to maximize work space. It also scales to smaller sizes much better than gn*me. Why do you homosexuals want to use a tablet interface?
>Why do you homosexuals want to use a tablet interface?
They don't, they just pretend it doesn't exist. Gnomies wear blinders, they act as if their use case is the only clear one and the desktop should only cater to their specific autistic workflow and shaft everyone else.
And their idea is fricking shit as evidenced by the fact that the most popular GNOME distro and a bunch of others are forced to include third-party extensions that address GNOME's design failures so people can actually use it.
Gnome exists to be the default graphical user interface for modern UNIX systems.
If you want a complete full featured end-user desktop workflow creation kit, KDE exists.
What would be the point of Gnome being KDE, but GTK?
Many of the most used extensions aren't even third-party, extensions are an official (if somewhat neglected) feature.
>When I open it, it takes up the whole screen
So the larger desktop thumbnail widget, the search box, and the dash should be cluttering the screen all the time? No thank you.
You're looking at things the wrong way around. It isn't a full screen 'start menu', it is a multi-application management interface closes and gets out of your way while you are working.
I'll acknowledge the app drawer within the overview is a bit of an afterthought in the interface if that's what you're talking about, I think it just suffers from a general lack of attention and the fact it has to deal with information that only makes sense for a 'start menu' which somewhat limits what they can do with it without breaking cross-desktop standards. Nobody actually uses it, but they know it needs to be there.
>So the larger desktop thumbnail widget, the search box, and the dash should be cluttering the screen all the time?
I know you're gnomebrained and can't fathom the idea of having options, but try to understand
You know those extensions amateurs make for free that add basic desktop features every other desktop has? You just have the professional GNOME developers officially implement them, and have them be toggleable. It's cutting edge, I'll admit maybe too cutting edge for people who just delete the system tray, have no way of seeing or interacting with background apps and then implement patchworked background apps in a nested menu that is grossly more impractical than the system tray they removed.
The only problem here is a desktop that only caters to niche autists has no business being the flagship DE and the face of Linux desktop. That position must necessarily be fulfilled by an accessible and conventional desktop that is palatable to most computer users.
>You know those extensions amateurs make for free
Like I said, a lot of those extensions are in fact official, and made by the professional maintainers of the project.
>and have them be toggleable.
There is in fact a UI for managing and toggling the extensions. Could be better, but it does exist. It is the kind of thing most users will do once, and then forget about, so it is sort of an afterthought.
Gnome has really moved more towards offering different session setups rather than allowing free-form settings. It makes it easier to QA.
>fulfilled by an accessible and conventional desktop that is palatable to most computer users.
Which is why Gnome does in fact have concessions to more mainstream users familiar with other UNIX interfaces. Basically why it does visually mimic other modern NextStep inspired UIs that make up 73% of the market. Rather than being ratpoison or hyprland.
For the minority of users coming from legacy non-UNIX interfaces they are unwilling to let go of, there are UIs that are intended to either duplicate their feel, or provide something more familiar and retro to ease them in.
There are even distributions that use those UIs by default like Xubuntu, but having a overall default UI that is aimed at a relatively small minority of users switching from non-standard platforms doesn't make sense as the default for UNIX overall.
Jesus Christ you people have lost your minds. Enjoy your kiddie user interface.
As opposed to what? One designed by Fischer Price?
Do you need a big distracting blue bar with a big green button displaying all the time?
Gnome normally gets out of the way. If I need to do something like launch an application, or check up on something its a keystroke away, and then just as quickly dismissed.
What? Yeah Gnome has a low-info density fisher price design. Are you confusing me for someone who likes Gnome?
Just how much clutter do you need displaying constantly? There is a reason why most of us don't use UIs that look exactly like this anymore even if that is what inspired modern UNIX desktops.
Gnome is basically minimal UIs of the type preferred by UNIX professionals over the last 20 or so years, plus some bits designed to be familiar to people coming from more modern NextStep inspired UNIX UIs to help them adjust.
Gnome tablet edition isn't in any of the multi-million dollar UNIX systems I run. Nor is it on any of the Linux servers my enterprise runs. Nor any government agency I've contracted with. Nor in FedEx, Autozone, Solvey, Dow, GlaxoSmithKline or any of the other large corporations I've worked for. Only braindead meat puppets use a tablet UI on a desktop or server.
>isn't in any of the multi-million dollar UNIX systems I run
I wouldn't expect those kind of systems to have any GUI. They're fundamentally unnecessary for what they're being used for.
>tablet UI
Gnome is a minimalist desktop UI for UNIX professionals in the modern UNIX tradition of interfaces. The way it works can really be summed up as 'imagine if vi was a desktop'.
You confuse it for a 'tablet' because all the popular tablet systems are also from that tradition.
Honestly what would you want it to look like?
>Honestly what would you want it to look like?
Windows
>tablet interface (gnome) is a fat hog
>windows interface with 20 panels icons and submenus is lean
The only difference between tiling managers like Sway and Gnome is that Gnome looks nicer. If you are unemployed and have low IQ but want to convince yourself of a 95IQ (which nobody in your family ever reached) you can use KDE Plasma or another tiling manager.
>gnome looks like a fat hog
>it has a single bar at the top and nothing else
>but also it somehow looks like a tablet UI
Let me guess gnome is also a macos clone because both have a bar at the top right?
No, MacOS is a UNIX OS. The UI in MacOS is a direct descendant of NextStep, and NextStep is the inspiration for a lot of later innovation in UNIX GUI. It shouldn't be surprising that Gnome looks like a UNIX GUI because it is the default UNIX GUI.
You just think everything 'looks like a tablet' because tablets were your first exposure to modern UNIX GUIs.
Gnome is built around some pretty solid UI concepts.
>The user has their hands on the keyboard, let them keep them there as much as possible
Which is why Gnome's HIG include a big focus on keyboard shortcuts.
>If the user uses a mouse (or other pointer style input), give them something large to target (preferably infinitely large).
Thus the large icons, the fits law compatible dash, and the hot corner for the overview.
i just dont like it
The use-case is unclear
It isn't. It's better than how KDE selects applications and better at managing windows.
its great, are you high?
Because budgie is better
Something something ebussy
>So, anons, why is this bad?
Its a buggy piece of shit that required third party extensions to work and that's when updates don't break the motherfrickers first. I tried it for a week or so and just couldn't wrap my head around the workflow though I will say that Canonical makes it usable. Growing up on Win9x I got used to a certain pattern of productivity and Unity has been the only non-Chicago layout that I liked. Hell, I'd say it was the GOAT but for now its Cinnamon.
That shit is good for a tablet for very inefficient for desktop usage
>You see Gnob is good because well it just is ok, as long as you change a bunch of shit, install a bunch of extensions and ignore the full screen app list.
I like it but they need to support high DPI monitors better. So much wasted space all over the place.
They also need to get on top of supporting features quicker like HDR and VRR. KDE is beating them on that front now.
>supporting features
Closed, wontfix
Oh yeah
Gnome has the closest UX to a widely used OS
I personally dislike icons and don't use them.
looks like a UI for tablets handed out to prisoners
>Just how much clutter do you need displaying constantly?
99% of computer users will agree with a taskbar or a dock and your UNIX religiousness comes across as tone-deaf ramblings to all but the biggest assburgers. Your image is not comparable to modern desktops as they don't have anywhere near that much screen real estate robbed by UI, but you knew that, you're just a disingenuous little shit.
>99% of computer users
Come on now. That hasn't been the case in decades. 73% of users today use NextStep inspired interfaces. With a dock that is centered at the bottom of the screen, and generally set up to auto-hide.
The Dash in Gnome fills the same purpose, in the same position, the only difference is it is hidden except in the contextual overview when the user chooses to display it.
Most distributions do include the official Dash to Dock extension as an option for users who want it.
>Windows
Does it really make sense to slavishly copy an obsolete UI from a dead platform as the default for modern UNIX systems?
Not even recent NT releases use the old Windows UI anymore.
For users who want a legacy interface, they exist.