GNOME should drop X11 sessions because Xorg is already dead. NVIDIA already bent the knee and is supporting the GBM standard.
If X11 supporters don't like, they can use some obscure TWM that supports it.
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Thank you for answering my question OP
Does KDE work well with Wayland yet?
Kde never works well
He's right.
Well? Yes. Perfect? No.
As long as you're not on Nvidia you should be fine.
>t. KDE Wayland user
umm sweetie, wayland is a protocol. what implementation of wayland are you talking about ? please educate yourself before posting 😉
Nice troony speak, X is also a protocol which at least has things like being able to take a screenshot of your window standardized. For gayland you have to cut off your penis and use gnome to have it """work""".
Does KDE work well?
Works for me, breh.
Why, after 15 years of development, doesn't Wayland support color management?
No it doesn't
After 35 years of development does Xorg have HDR yet?
Wayland doesn't have HDR Support
Why doesn't Xorg, after 35 years of development? I thought it rarely gets developed because it's a "finished product"?
HDR didnt exist until last decade, and it was "finished" well before that already. They have no plans to add new features for new tech gimmicks.
Right, so wayland is getting HDR, not xorg. As I thought.
X12 is in development you fricking idiot. It is just X11 in specific that is "finished"
X11 will never get HDR. It is done. X12 has the potential to be anything though.
>X12 is in development
An it's called wayland.
No, it is called X12, and it is the next major release of X.
>X12 is in development
Where is the repo?
x12 is not in development anymore, it was abandoned and they just were too embarrassed to make it a public announcement, I guarantee. notice the lack of news updates on X12 in the last 4 years?
Its vaporware. If it is still being worked on it better be some fricking good, top secret, secret alien tech or some shit for them to keep it a secret.
Nowhere. The X devs said they were making X12, made five years worth of posts about updates on it, and then X12 went vapor in 2018 and we never heard about it again
As I thought.
I'm starting to think these rampant Xorg shilling are just to sell NVIDIA products.
To be entirely fair, X12 was never officially, publicly canceled either, and it could still very well be in secret development for some reason. There have been murmurs of this for a while (with no evidence to back it up of course though)
Although I heavily doubt, its probably just dead now.
no that isnt the murmur you moron. the murmur is that the devs want to resume work on it again after a four year hiatus, the only people who believe it has been developed this whole time are absolute schizos
according to linuxworld's "insider sources" (so take this shit with a grain of salt) the x12 devs only took the hiatus after red hat started investing even bigger into wayland, and they wanted to give wayland a shot to eclipse x11 because they figured it would be a lot further along by now than it actually is. the new murmur is that after waiting four years, the x11 devs want to do x12 again to put wayland to bed finally, because they feel the slowness of its development is harming the desktop experience, and the stagnation of x11, its only competitor, makes this worse
so again, big grain of salt here, but linuxworld claims x12 might be back on soon
>literally who linux magazine makes bullshit claim they pulled out of their ass
>you cited it as a source
Embarrassing.
Yeah. Thats pretty much the only chance that exists that X12 is being developed. Under some weird schizo secrecy conspiracy.
who linux magazine
>linux world
Black person they were a number one publication for Unix users in the early 2000s and they literally run one of the biggest yearly Linux conventions ever. Who the frick are you calling 'literally who'?
who
Do LinuxWorld still exists?
Yes, they just aren't a magazine publication anymore, just an online one now.
>Yes, they just aren't a magazine publication anymore, just an online one now.
Where? linuxworld.com just redirects to some other website's "page not found" page and I can't find any other website called "linux world".
They go by Linux Magazine now.
https://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2008/95/LINUX-WORLD-NEWS
Oh, the only chance Xorg is being developed is under uber-secrecy like Apple?
>its probably just dead now.
not according to these enthusiastic xorg fanboys
And at the rate that Wayland is developed, we will probably be at X13 before we have a somewhat finished Wayland, lmao
Nobody develops Xorg. Back when Red Hat used to pay actual developers to maintain it, it had a chance.
The upstream has abandoned Xorg for Wayland.
Everything tears
Enjoy your VRAM memory leak
Hot take: Mir would unironically be standardized by now if Canonical hadnt abandoned it.
>11 IPs
reddit3434 samegayging again I see
gnome will drop xorg when rhel drops xorg
any other metric is irrelevant
and by then, wayland will have been forced to become an x12 anyway
Debian Bookworm will have xfce 4.16 or 4.18, which will run on Xorg. It will be stable until 2025, and be oldstable for longer than that. So Xorg will at least live and be used by many until 2025
That said, I hope Xfce adopts wayland and continues being the most based DE
>the only options are GNOME or a TWM
I see GNOMEtards are still pretending XFCE and KDE don't exist.
GNOME devs have their heads so far up their own asses that they don't believe any of the other desktop environments matter.
they don't
let's be honest no one with a life is going to install your WM or deprecated Desktop with GTK3 when we're on GTK4 already
No one with a life cares if a DE uses GTK3 or GTK4.
Mint is still the most recommended DE for normies btw.
Mint Cinnamon or Mint MATE?
Cinnamon.
Never happened to me.
>Mint is still the most recommended DE for normies btw.
lmao yeah enjoy your ram leaks that require a desktop restart
Mint is a distribution, not a desktop environment, moron.
Imagine pretending they do.
>the GBM standard
you don't know what the word standard means
>what is Cinnamon
>what is XFCE
>what is KDE
>what is LXQT
>what is Budgie
>what is Deepin
>what is Kylin
>Cinnamon
washed-up outdated fork of gnome, no performance improvements that mutter has gotten over the years
>XFCE
more bloated than a minimal kde install since the gtk3 migration
>LXQT
mediocre and generic. just use kde.
>Budgie
dying just like solus. migrating to efl would be the final nail in the coffin.
>Deepin
will never catch on in the west, chinese government support means a developer sneezing is met with suspicion
>Kylin
ditto
And yet they are miles ahead Gnomeme.
GNOME is unironically the best DE for Linux.
Every major distro agrees.
Sure, buddy.
>ubuntu only uses gnome because of their investment on GTK since Gnome 2 + death of Unity
>red hat only uses it because they have control over it
>no one else particularly gives a shit about Gnomeme
>no one else particularly gives a shit about Gnomeme
SLES use it too.
Not as default.
>can't tile windows into corners of screen
>no tray icons
>no taskbar unless you use plugins made in JeetScript
And don't forget
>can't even see the dock without opening activities unless you have one more plugin
Gnome is worthless bloat, and utterly the last option for a DE. I would rather use windows.
>GNOME should drop X11
They are already discussing it, I'd still prefer they keep it a bit more until the screen-sharing is 100% there and OOTB.
But I bet it's just a matter of time
On the contrary, GNOME should drop Wayland and focus on X because, despite using Wayland as the default backend, GNOME still works better on X.
It's really unfortunate that desktop environment developers fell for the Wayland kool-aid and wasted so many resources on it.
X11 is a dead-end.
>no VRR
>no HDR
>no HiDPI
All that shit doesn't matter when your mouse cursor stutters in 2022 and your rendering loop doesn't work for any real application.
It only stutters on low end machines