"God does not everyone, free will does not exist worship Mammon btw" What did Jean mean by this?
"God does not everyone, free will does not exist worship Mammon btw" What did Jean mean by this?
"God does not everyone, free will does not exist worship Mammon btw" What did Jean mean by this?
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I hope you learn from your embarrassing mistake more than you learn from Calvin.
It's the logical extension of a religion with an omnipotent deity who offers salvation to only some. Non-predestination makes no sense.
>God is all knowing
>But he doesn't know whether or not you'll ever accept him
God knows the outcome, he does not interfere. That is a huge difference, its been 500 years calvincuck time to use ur brain
>he does not interfere
Then that's willfull neglect
You are free. Experiencing linear time in a state of relative ignorance allows you to makes choices that reveal your true nature. Is your soul fruitful and good or rotten and demonic?
>in a state of relative ignorance
Anon God isn't ignorant though
>God isn't ignorant
Of course not. But you and I are. And that's what matters. Not knowing the future gives your choices moral weight.
>And that's what matters. Not knowing the future gives your choices moral weight.
No it isn't it's the love of God that matters. Didn't God so love the world that he gave his only begotten son to atone for our sins, including those of which we are ignorant, because God is not ignorant? Doesn't God send us the deposit of the Holy Spirit to sanctify us with such virtues as wisdom and foresight unto salvation? God intervenes in our lives, he's not just sitting back and watching the world while eating popcorn and judging people aloofly.
All of that is true. I was explaining how free will works. Do you have me confused for a Calvinist?
It feels that the discourse of predestination or free will ought to be secondary to the axioms of faith given in scripture. We don't have the perfect free will of Adam because we are tempted by sin, nor do we have perfect free will in our sanctification because we are subjects of Christ as believers. Calvinism amplifies these two factors to say in the former cases that our depravity is total, and in the latter that our salvation is assured, yet the contrary position (that is, the most distant one which could be taken within the definitions of orthodox Christian belief) is not simply the opposite end of total libertarianism, however that is the dichotomy which is presumed in a lot of these discussions.
>Is your soul fruitful and good or rotten and demonic?
Depends on whether god made it fruitful and good or rotten and demonic, I guess. Not like I have any choice in the matter.
>Not like I have any choice in the matter.
Demonic propaganda. You're choosing right now. As long as you're alive, it's never too late. You can give yourself to Christ today.
If my soul is fruitful and good, I'll do good thing. If my soul is rotten and demonic, I'll so bad thing. It can't be helped.
You cannot absolve yourself of agency. Apathy is also a choice.
I can't do good if my soul is rotten and demonic. It's just the way it is - some people get lucky by being created with good souls, others not so much.
>some people get lucky by being created with good souls
Not how it works. You've got it backwards. It's up to you whether or not your soul will prove fruitful. There's nothing stopping you from doing good. Only excuses.
Does my soul have any attributes? If not, what are my decisions based on?
blasphemy!!! gawd decided what I will do and think, all this before I was born, indeed before the big bang.
>worshipping big bang scientism
Enjoy hell.
I had no choice. it was so preordained.
>God creates the world
>Knows literally everything
>Knew before you were born that you would be born and every action you’ll ever take
Free will with an omnipotent deity is moronic, I can predict what other people would do in certain circumstances so God who knows everyone better than they know themselves would be able to know with certainty how people would act as they develop.
Are u moronic? How does him knowing the outcome denies free will? Nothing u just shat out contradicts free will or prove predestination
Because the outcome was determined at the moment of the creation of the universe. Will I be convinced by arguments by Christians one day? Maybe, maybe not but whether or not I will be convinced was decided long before I was ever born.
The moment God created the universe he could say
>And one day Anon will be born to this man and woman in this location, he will have this personality, will tend to think in this manner, at this age he won’t believe in me but I also know whether or not he will come to faith before he dies
At no point did I have any true effect on the outcome, I can “decide” to become a Christian but that decision was predetermined at the creation of the universe.
>That is a huge difference
that's no difference at all, seeing how he is also responsible for everything that happens.
Reformed theology is the only theology that is consistent with the Bible. Free will is an abomination that attacks the sovereignty of God.
>Free Will is an abomination
How are we different from base animals if we don’t have free will? Calvinists are insane and destroy the moral underpinnings of the Bible by making God an uncaring machine that creates babies he knows he’s going to torture for eternity
>How are we different from base animals if we don’t have free will?
Have you seen the way humans act like?
>creates babies he knows he’s going to torture for eternity
Like it or not, infants are guilty of the sin of Adam.
>How are we different from base animals if we don’t have free will?
more sophisticated motivational structure, nothing more.
>he does not interfere
so he is evil? knowing what someone will do in future, yet giving them the curse of being alive, committing said things, and suffering in hell, is definitely evil. he created us, why not create us in an order where we do not suffer, and actually follow him?
No sacrifice in that, u are responsible for ur own soul. U are the master of ur fate the captain of ur soul.
Calvinism is evil, but it's really just applying logic to abrahamic fairy tales. If they are true, than god is the most evil creature you can comprehend.
If Calvinism was true no human standards of evil would be valid because we're all just playthings
You're not supposed to know we are "playthings", though. That's the twist. As far as human logic is concerned, you're still free.
yes, if an omnipotent being existed, then we'd be playthings, sockpuppets in a show he puts on for himself.
where did he say God doesn't love everyone or free will doesn't exist? Calvin didn't believe either of those things.
Pretty funny how this French israelite was able to destroy Christcuckery by taking it to its own logical conclusion
Why did Islam come to the same conclusion based on pretty much the same book entire 1000 years earlier?