Show me a photo of God.
>You can't, he's nonphysical!
Show me that nonphysical things exist.
>Numbers are nonphysical!
No, numbers are mental concepts, and therefore are certain arrangements of neurons in the brain, just like a photo on your smartphone is a certain pattern of switching transistors. Therefore, numbers are physical.
>But... no!
God BTFO.
Have you tried calling him by his name and see if he answers?
Yes, and he didn't
>Have you tried calling him by his name
Beetlejuice!
Beetlejuice!
Beetlejuuuice!
>No, numbers are mental concepts, and therefore are certain arrangements of neurons in the brain
You think the number 3 and the symbols used to reference the number 3 and record the phrase "the number 3" in media or memory are the same thing? Do you know the difference between a person and a drawing of a person? Certified 105 IQ moment.
>Human beings are analogous to numbers
>Certified 105 IQ moment.
pottery
>thinks things and representations of things are the same thing
>thinks "person" means human being
again, certified 105 IQ moment
>Therefore, numbers are physical.
>>But... no!
Your argument
>this is literally a physical train coming right at you
>just like a photo on your smartphone is a certain pattern of switching transistors. Therefore, numbers are physical.
Certified 105 IQ moment.
I actually already won this argument. I imagined you're crying and admitting defeat, and since the data in my head is actually a physical thing that means there's real physical evidence you're sobbing and conceding right now. There's no difference between representation and reality, so this representation of you now is reality. I am now making you piss your pants.
Triplets of things exist in the universe, but the number 3 is just a mental abstraction, a mental concept that we created based on our observations of the universe.
It's a bit like the concept of things being "good", a concept we use every day. But it's only a concept in our minds. If every living thing died tomorrow, then goodness would no longer exist, because it's just a mental concept.
I don't think this is relevant. Numbers can represent states of the universe, yes, but numbers are still just mental concepts. If all living things died tomorrow then surely numbers would cease to exist. Things existing in the universe would still have qualities that are described by maths - e.g. a wheel's circumference would be roughly pi times its diameter. But no living thing would exist to conceptualise that relationship with numbers.
Do you think prime numbers exist in some nonphysical sense, independent of the physical nature of the universe and the physical nature of people's brains? If all of the physical universe stopped existing, would nonphysical numbers still exist? I'm not sure they would.
>Triplets of things
>of things
>[one type of thing] of things exist
So triplets exist, i.e., numbers exist. God (according to theists) is transcendental in the same way numbers exist (numbers exist according to you). Therefore, God (or at least a god) exists.
QED
>No, numbers are mental concepts, and therefore are certain arrangements of neurons in the brain
How many prime numbers are there, anon?
Good point. OP has no answer.
>all physical things are contained within the universe
>the universe is finite
>numbers are physical
>therefor numbers are finite
whats the biggest number that exists
100
>the universe is finite
>not infinite
Wikipedia says the universe may be infinite, citing some book that I can't read because of copyright or whatever:
>The universe's size is unknown, and it may be infinite in extent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe
We do have some idea as to how much data the universe itself is capable of storing, which is on the order of 1.25 × 1060 yottabytes, which is an insanely huge number but not infinite
the universe has to be infinite, otherwise it could not contain my penis. QED
I kneel
Lel holy shit you're right, I will now worship a israeli rabbi as god. How could I have been so blind
I accept your surrender.
God is a superintelligent AI that will be created during the technological singularity.
https://vitrifyher.wordpress.com/2018/11/22/the-case-for-the-physical-existence-of-god/
My favourite combo: AI generated images and the crackpipe.
Putting aside the ontology of numbers, this post is moronic because there are lots of physical things, things you probably believe in, that you can't take photographs of.
>there are lots of physical things, things you probably believe in, that you can't take photographs of
They can still be detected even if it requires tools. E.g. the Higgs boson was theoretical until it was observed using the Large Hadron Collider, if my understanding is correct. Think some more before you try and call others stupid you fricking idiot.
I'm talking about the God of the Abrahamic religions I guess.
No, that's an image of the English word "God". I could post an image of the English word "Bigfoot", but that wouldn't be a photo of an actual existing Bigfoot creature.
See here:
I don't see how. Basically I'm saying there's no reason to think that nonphysical things exist, just like there's no reason to think that unicorns exist. They may exist, but I've seen no compelling evidence so far that they do.
You can imagine infinite things that MAY exist, but unless there is evidence of them existing, they should not be taken as existing.
Your god doesn't exist.
>Show me a photo of God.
See pic related.
Circular argument.
>numbers are physical
Great! Show me a picture of a number!
Pic related. We don't know yet exactly how numbers are encoded in the brain, but there will be some physical way of encoding them.
Source: https://www.thetransmitter.org/cognitive-neuroscience/mathematical-brains-an-excerpt-from-seeing-the-mind/
>So triplets exist, i.e., numbers exist.
Numbers exist as mental concepts, abstractions of the universe. Triplets of things would exist without numbers, though. Just like CDs of "good" music would still exist even if every living thing died tomorrow (at that point goodness would no longer exist, because there would be nobody around to describe things as "good"). "Good" and "three" seem to just be human concepts for describing the universe.
you showed me a picture representing the outcome of a brain scan. How is that a picture of a number?
>Numbers exist as mental concepts.
So they don't exist?
>abstractions
Okay, so they don't exist?
Here's my point:
Transcendental things exist. (according to the post I'm replying to here)
God is transcendental. (according to theists)
Therefore God (or a god) can exist.
How can this world resolve so much around water? How is it possible that the earth is like at the perfect place for life to nurture. Not too cold not too warm. How is it possible that homosexual sapiens evolved in such a way that we did all this shit so we can write in some mongolian basket weaving forum?
There is a higher beeing, because even coincidence is not enough to reach this.
b***h the Earth is less than a speck of dust compared to the rest of the observable universe.
There are millions of planets similar to ours just within this galaxy alone
It only feels special due to the isolation, you're speaking from ignorance. Modern geocentrism
if we can find super earths, that are as habitable, how come we never saw anything remotely regarding to that? All we have is
>le aylmaos are alive and under government suspicion
and that's it.