Good and evil are human concepts which are innately tied to our relationships with death. Without mortality there'd be no cause for morality, which is why what's "good" tends to promote the extension of your own life (family, friendship, a commitment to a higher abstract notion of altruism, etc.) and what's "evil" tends to do the opposite (gangs, drugs, murder, etc.). God isn't mortal and therefore precedes and instructs any notions mortals have about their own condition - but the important point here is that it's not a shared condition. God isn't mortal and therefore any attempts to use terms like "good" or "evil" to describe God are missing the point. God is beyond good or evil entirely. It's therefore more accurate to say God is fundamentally amoral but in a detached cosmic sense that eclipses even the meaning of that term itself.
Is my soul immortal, too? I might die physically, but can I float around in space doing nothing for eternity (and I say eternity because time doesn't pass for an immortal being)?
The law of the conservation of matter backs this up, in that it cannot be destroyed nor created, you are a little bit of everything that was and everything that will be
>Time is a measurement of motion
In physics and other natural sciences, yes. >If you can imagine a void, a vacuum of space with absolutely nothing in it how would you tell time? You can’t, can you?
In physics, sure. In metaphysics, not so much. Time is much more than a measurement of motion.
As mortal beings, our relationship with death does affect our conception of morality, but I believe that it is an error to presume that morality would have no cause without mortality. Virtue and vice are not limited or enfeebled by mortality. Virtuous behavior is virtuous in infinitude, as vicious behavior is vicious in infinitude.
>creates Satan and humans knowing for certain they will create evil >does nothing to prevent it
That's just creating evil with extra steps. You can't knock down the first domino in a series and claim no responsibility for the last one's falling.
He made the father of sin foreknowing his works. He created evil personified
you see, that is the problem with breeding a holy spirit into the material flesh. It causes the human to have the ability to choose evil and the choose with a free will. That part of God the Father, the Holy Spirit, it is in you as your soul and light which makes you a part of Heaven and able to either glorify the kingdom or bring shame upon it through disharmony with God's creation.
> hurr durr it's our fault not the omnipotent being who created everything.
If you leave a gun on your counter and tell your kids to not touch it while you take a nap, is it the child's fault for playing with the gun and killing him/herself? frick outta here with your bullshit apologetics.
2 months ago
Anonymous
that isn't at all what he said and you did a shit job trying to change the subject. Your God created a universe in which needless suffering is not only allowed but fairly common. Kids getting cancer and dying before the age of 10 has nothing to do with man, that is an aberration of nature which your God created outright or created the conditions for it to appear in this world. That does not make him " loving" or "benevolent" in my opinion.
https://i.imgur.com/mtAUZNC.png
Nah, I fly to the moon, and back, or die in the process.
it is the answer, like it or not.
2 months ago
Anonymous
it's a shit answer and one that doesn't paint your God as an all loving or all knowing being. Quite the opposite. Not the flex you're hoping for bud.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>doesn't paint your God as an all loving or all knowing
You only say so because you have not fully comprehended the sacrifice of the Christ's meaning.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Okay, I'll bite. What does the sacrifice of Christ have to do with kids getting cancer and dying before they are 10 and why, so says so, does that make your God an all loving being?
2 months ago
Anonymous
The flesh was wrought by God the Father and so was his creation. Where you see suffering, I see the ordering of God's creation according to his designs.
Alright I'll work with your stupid cosmology. If the Holy Spirit in man can choose good or evil and the Holy Spirit comes from God, God can choose good or evil. What makes you think he always chooses good? In The Thunder Perfect Mind, past of the Nag Hammadi, he/she says "I am compassionate and I am cruel."
God the Father is rejoined with the Holy Spirit through Christ and all are made one. Compassion and Cruel are our perceptions of this experience of spirit which endures flesh and as one with us, so too is the Father.
2 months ago
Anonymous
> I see the ordering of God's creation according to his designs.
Excellent. Thank you for proving my point that your God is evil. If you're telling me that my kids with cancer example is " God's design" then that completely disarms any argument you can make about his morality or the religion you follow based off of that morality. Again, this is not the flex you think it is. Thank you for forfeiting your stupid argument.
2 months ago
Anonymous
there is beauty in the churn in and out of life and the death of the flesh is not evil.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Oh so this is beautiful to you? Again, thank you for proving my point that your moral stance is fricked up because the morals your God posits in your holy book are also fricked up. Take a look at the " beauty in the churn in and our of life" everyone!
2 months ago
Anonymous
Yes, the churn of life and death of the flesh is beautiful like a sea which rolls and crashes ever onward relentlessly. The brief time we have in the flesh upon the earth is all we get to experience of God's creation and it is glorious, even death is glorious in its brutality.
2 months ago
Anonymous
If suffering is beautiful to you, poke your eyes out with a knife. Bet you won't.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Rejoice when someone you love rejoins God the Father and do not fear death.
2 months ago
Anonymous
you first you mad man.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I have not received the call which must mean that there is yet more for which I am here to accomplish before I am allowed that blessing.
2 months ago
Anonymous
You are actually insane.
(not the religious moron btw) you know what really pisses me off as a conspiracy theorist, that I'm pretty damn sure the elites have cures for illnesses like cancer but are keeping it for their families specifically and suppressing the field from producing cures so they can profit off the exorbitant hospital bills while also keeping the population low to suppress competition for resources from normal people.
I don't believe that either. Why would they sit on the biggest medical boon in modern history that would make them richer than ever before?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Have you heard of the Georgia Guidestones? The ones that were built anonymously and were blown up last year anonymously? They suggested keeping the population at a manageable 500 million. I believe the elites are working against the human race and in their own interest, separating themselves from us. Then there's "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars" which advocated for "benevolent slavery and genocide" to keep humanity from overpopulating the planet (all while making whatever israelite bags wrote the manifesto filthy rich in the process). Warren Buffett said there is class war being waged by the rich on the rest of society and the rich are winning.
2 months ago
Anonymous
You're on the very tippy top vanilla zone of the conspiracy iceberg, cut it out.
2 months ago
Anonymous
nah I'm way down the rabbit hole. ever since I started smoking weed 10 years ago (which I can't do anymore), my mind opened to all sorts of alternative thought. stuff as simple as "the vaccine is bad because the powers that be are bad" to "the Nazis made it to space 80 years ago" to "reptilian aliens eat humans". But I guess these are falling on deaf ears.
2 months ago
Anonymous
(not the religious moron btw) you know what really pisses me off as a conspiracy theorist, that I'm pretty damn sure the elites have cures for illnesses like cancer but are keeping it for their families specifically and suppressing the field from producing cures so they can profit off the exorbitant hospital bills while also keeping the population low to suppress competition for resources from normal people.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Alright I'll work with your stupid cosmology. If the Holy Spirit in man can choose good or evil and the Holy Spirit comes from God, God can choose good or evil. What makes you think he always chooses good? In The Thunder Perfect Mind, past of the Nag Hammadi, he/she says "I am compassionate and I am cruel."
2 months ago
Cult of Passion
Exactly. The responsibility is on you.
Otherwise it is "Nature's way", which is quite heartless. In all my research it is objectively better to take it on willingly, it is you properly facing evolution, people that cant/dont have messed up lives.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Why did God create this heartless way of nature? Is he heartless or just stupid?
2 months ago
Cult of Passion
>Why did God create this heartless way of nature?
It is the most efficient way, gentle is for the humane. >Is he heartless or just stupid?
How much compassion do you see given to itself? Are you better than that? Can you prove it?
What type of Translation, are you using?
Because I have: >I am He who prepared light and made darkness, who makes peace and creates troublesome things. I am the Lord God who does all these things. (Isaiah 45:7)
The words have no bearing on the insoluble problem of what we call the origin of evil. "Evil," as opposed to "peace" or prosperity, is suffering, but not sin; normally, in the Divine counsels, at once the consequence and corrective of moral evil.
>creates Satan and humans knowing for certain they will create evil >does nothing to prevent it
That's just creating evil with extra steps. You can't knock down the first domino in a series and claim no responsibility for the last one's falling.
causing all suffering to exist, which is of negative value, is evil. God, if he exists, causes all good and all bad things but why should he create bad things? Is he so incompetent that he can't give us a paradisiacal world/existence from the beginning? Therefore he doesn't exist.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>causing all suffering to exist
https://i.imgur.com/VIaHs1o.png
>created evil
that was us actually, and was made possible by the fall of the father of sin.
https://i.imgur.com/gtpa2xM.png
[...]
[...]
you see, that is the problem with breeding a holy spirit into the material flesh. It causes the human to have the ability to choose evil and the choose with a free will. That part of God the Father, the Holy Spirit, it is in you as your soul and light which makes you a part of Heaven and able to either glorify the kingdom or bring shame upon it through disharmony with God's creation.
that explains it all.
2 months ago
Anonymous
This is the biggest bullshit lie I have ever heard. The suffering of an innocent rabbit in the jaws of a fox was caused by Satan and the fall of Adam and Eve? Yahweh is a lying alien and humans still haven't caught on because Christians think they're special and others are less special. Gaining favor with an alien who is a master propaganda artist doesn't make you better, it makes you stupid. Yahweh also had a wife named Asherah, by the way. More reason to believe that he's an alien. He's also probably an atheist since he's pretending to be the creator. Clearly he doesn't fear any kind of action on the part of some real creator.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>The suffering of an innocent rabbit in the jaws of a fox
the churn of the flesh in and out of life is not evil.
2 months ago
Anonymous
But forcing innocent beings to suffer against their will is. That is what God does, if he exists. It's much more likely that he doesn't.
2 months ago
Anonymous
If another man makes you suffer that is not the doing of God the Father because it is misuse of the Holy Spirit and evil.
If a man suffers from the flesh that is because the Holy Spirit is in the flesh which is due to the father of sin.
2 months ago
Anonymous
that isn't at all what he said and you did a shit job trying to change the subject. Your God created a universe in which needless suffering is not only allowed but fairly common. Kids getting cancer and dying before the age of 10 has nothing to do with man, that is an aberration of nature which your God created outright or created the conditions for it to appear in this world. That does not make him " loving" or "benevolent" in my opinion.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>which your God created outright or created the conditions for it to appear in this world
Why do you believe this?
2 months ago
Anonymous
His design, his universe, his fault. Unless you want to admit your " all knowing" deity didn't know what would happen.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Cancer is not a disease. It’s a symptom of parasite and fungal overload in the body. Parasites are physical manifestations of demons.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Bait or mental moronation
https://i.imgur.com/sMeOICZ.jpg
>Why did God create this heartless way of nature?
It is the most efficient way, gentle is for the humane. >Is he heartless or just stupid?
How much compassion do you see given to itself? Are you better than that? Can you prove it?
>pilpul intensifies
2 months ago
Cult of Passion
ITS CALLED PHYSICS.
STOP LARPING ON IQfy WHEN YOU GET FILTERED AND NEED TO DENY YOUR INFERIORITY.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Youre the #1 larper on this website shithead. Why do you always lie?
2 months ago
Cult of Passion
[...]
Sure.
2 months ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/eV7WN4k.jpg
Oh so this is beautiful to you? Again, thank you for proving my point that your moral stance is fricked up because the morals your God posits in your holy book are also fricked up. Take a look at the " beauty in the churn in and our of life" everyone!
Instead of directing your energy on trying to win internet arguments that ultimately do nothing but fuel your ego, you should instead use your God given intellect and curiosity to research what is cancer. If you seek with an honest and pure heart like a child’s, you will find the truth. Gods children are witnesses to evil. In order to strengthen our loyalty to him, we must witnesses to the evils in which the absence of God unveils.
In the beginning, God created light. With that, came an absence of light. Following his own laws, by effect, he created that too. But he is not wicked. He does not actively plan out strategic ways to poison his children, his creation.
Part of our purpose of living life is to be witness to the absence of God, we can see that in the absence of His presence, evil festers, like mold growing on a warm, dark, moist Petri dish,
>They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire – something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind.
Jeremiah 7:31
Our Father’s character as displayed in the Bible is that he’s very thorough and specific with his requests, and gives instructions when he gives them. That is his personality.
Curious how some always question the existence of God are seldom the ones to question Satan’s existence. If you were to be eased into knowing that “Christian” God doesn’t exist, what does that mean for you and or people like you. What will you do with that information? Would it feel more safer for your conscience? Why? You didn’t have to engage in discussion proving whether God was evil or not, but you did so and since it’s obvious you are not engaging in grace, who are you serving?
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Our Father’s character as displayed in the Bible is that he’s very thorough and specific with his requests, and gives instructions when he gives them. That is his personality.
Adding on— if he wanted to be “evil” like you say, given his character on how he’s very specific with his requests to his chosen as referenced many times in the book, he would have done so. But he’s not, as displayed from the quote, it reveals that when people do evil things, it’s not coming from Him. But he did create free will. That is, he gave man the choice between Him or not Him. And where there is an absence of Him, only bad things can fester.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Yahweh also had a wife named Asherah
Fan fiction.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Lmao. This man is bothered by animal flesh. Are you sure God is evil or are you just a pussy?
2 months ago
Anonymous
I believe suffering is bad/has negative utility. If there was a God it wouldn't exist. You sure you really believe suffering is good? Because you haven't poked your eyes out with a knife yet.
No? He made every single thing good or bad but that doesn't mean he will compel the bad to be good and vice versa. His nature is an entirely separate discussion to what he creates.
You a Gnostic? We going to have to stamp this out again? I thought we did that after the Marcionites. (No, I don't think the Albigensians/Cathars were Gnostics, I think a lot of the stories of their Gnosticism were misquoted, taken out of context etc.)
>stamp this out
if you want to fight then start with teaching that worship of Mary is blasphemy. The divinity of the Christ is of God the Father and not from the mortal mother. Worship of the flesh is antithetical to worship of God.
Oh yeah, you won't find any Protestant church worshipping Mary or saints. So they've been doing their part since the Reformation and even before such as with the Waldensians.
That’s not how it works, he abandons those who abandon him, and when he withdraws all his presence from you, what remains is pain and regret and agony.
Yahweh is an alien. There is no God because suffering has negative utility and shouldn't exist. That's why 100% of our time is dedicated to either running from it or running towards happiness. A God would speed things up for us or max us out in our level of bliss and eliminate all suffering if he existed, but he doesn't. Nobody I've debated with has refuted this. They all say suffering is good.
The funny thing is that there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for why evil exists in a world in which god exists. Except the religion of the christians prevents them from using this argument so they just babble nonsense
God creates universes endlessly as quickly as he possibly can. If these worlds then possess suffering then that is a sacrifice he is willing to make in order to create as efficiently as posssible.
But he's not the one experiencing the suffering. He's not sacrificing anything. Innocent beings are experiencing the suffering because of his incompetence. Your God definitely isn't both all-powerful and all-loving.
2 months ago
Anonymous
It's not about sacrifice it's about efficiency, the god we're talking about is not the christian one. To this god, the fact that creation is not infinite is a sin, so he endlessly creates as fast as possible. But he will never achieve this goal for infinity does not exist. Think of him as a human male trying to frick as many women as posibble to create as many kids as possible so that as many conciousness' exist as possible. If some of the kids get raised in shitty homes then that is a sacrifice he is willing to make
2 months ago
Anonymous
Why the need for a God to create infinite universes instead of reality just being infinite from the start?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Because infinity does not exist, it is not a thing the same way 0 is not a thing. God is 1 and he is constantly trying to fill 0 to create 1 but he can't. Just 0.999999 repeating endlessly
>because he created evil
That only means he's not omnibenevolent like children tend to believe, and it also doesn't make Him evil. >Luke 18:19 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.
Good and evil are human concepts which are innately tied to our relationships with death. Without mortality there'd be no cause for morality, which is why what's "good" tends to promote the extension of your own life (family, friendship, a commitment to a higher abstract notion of altruism, etc.) and what's "evil" tends to do the opposite (gangs, drugs, murder, etc.). God isn't mortal and therefore precedes and instructs any notions mortals have about their own condition - but the important point here is that it's not a shared condition. God isn't mortal and therefore any attempts to use terms like "good" or "evil" to describe God are missing the point. God is beyond good or evil entirely. It's therefore more accurate to say God is fundamentally amoral but in a detached cosmic sense that eclipses even the meaning of that term itself.
Is my soul immortal, too? I might die physically, but can I float around in space doing nothing for eternity (and I say eternity because time doesn't pass for an immortal being)?
Time is a measurement of motion
If you can imagine a void, a vacuum of space with absolutely nothing in it how would you tell time? You can’t, can you?
If we add a single object Into this void you still cannot
It’s not until we add a second object and then measure the movement between the two in space
The time it takes object a to go around object b we will call a year
The decay of your cells isn’t from this measurement
If the present is eternal then you’re an amalgamation of those who came before you and you will be apart of those who come after
The law of the conservation of matter backs this up, in that it cannot be destroyed nor created, you are a little bit of everything that was and everything that will be
>Time is a measurement of motion
In physics and other natural sciences, yes.
>If you can imagine a void, a vacuum of space with absolutely nothing in it how would you tell time? You can’t, can you?
In physics, sure. In metaphysics, not so much. Time is much more than a measurement of motion.
Can you give me an example or two
As mortal beings, our relationship with death does affect our conception of morality, but I believe that it is an error to presume that morality would have no cause without mortality. Virtue and vice are not limited or enfeebled by mortality. Virtuous behavior is virtuous in infinitude, as vicious behavior is vicious in infinitude.
>created evil
that was us actually, and was made possible by the fall of the father of sin.
>I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Isaiah 45:7
you see, that is the problem with breeding a holy spirit into the material flesh. It causes the human to have the ability to choose evil and the choose with a free will. That part of God the Father, the Holy Spirit, it is in you as your soul and light which makes you a part of Heaven and able to either glorify the kingdom or bring shame upon it through disharmony with God's creation.
Bro, God created evil. It's in the bible, that's His word.
I don't understand.
It's supporting your point by showing where/how the word for "evil" is used elsewhere in the Bible.
Yes the Holy Spirit is God the Father. Was that not obvious?
> hurr durr it's our fault not the omnipotent being who created everything.
If you leave a gun on your counter and tell your kids to not touch it while you take a nap, is it the child's fault for playing with the gun and killing him/herself? frick outta here with your bullshit apologetics.
it is the answer, like it or not.
it's a shit answer and one that doesn't paint your God as an all loving or all knowing being. Quite the opposite. Not the flex you're hoping for bud.
>doesn't paint your God as an all loving or all knowing
You only say so because you have not fully comprehended the sacrifice of the Christ's meaning.
Okay, I'll bite. What does the sacrifice of Christ have to do with kids getting cancer and dying before they are 10 and why, so says so, does that make your God an all loving being?
The flesh was wrought by God the Father and so was his creation. Where you see suffering, I see the ordering of God's creation according to his designs.
God the Father is rejoined with the Holy Spirit through Christ and all are made one. Compassion and Cruel are our perceptions of this experience of spirit which endures flesh and as one with us, so too is the Father.
> I see the ordering of God's creation according to his designs.
Excellent. Thank you for proving my point that your God is evil. If you're telling me that my kids with cancer example is " God's design" then that completely disarms any argument you can make about his morality or the religion you follow based off of that morality. Again, this is not the flex you think it is. Thank you for forfeiting your stupid argument.
there is beauty in the churn in and out of life and the death of the flesh is not evil.
Oh so this is beautiful to you? Again, thank you for proving my point that your moral stance is fricked up because the morals your God posits in your holy book are also fricked up. Take a look at the " beauty in the churn in and our of life" everyone!
Yes, the churn of life and death of the flesh is beautiful like a sea which rolls and crashes ever onward relentlessly. The brief time we have in the flesh upon the earth is all we get to experience of God's creation and it is glorious, even death is glorious in its brutality.
If suffering is beautiful to you, poke your eyes out with a knife. Bet you won't.
Rejoice when someone you love rejoins God the Father and do not fear death.
you first you mad man.
I have not received the call which must mean that there is yet more for which I am here to accomplish before I am allowed that blessing.
You are actually insane.
I don't believe that either. Why would they sit on the biggest medical boon in modern history that would make them richer than ever before?
Have you heard of the Georgia Guidestones? The ones that were built anonymously and were blown up last year anonymously? They suggested keeping the population at a manageable 500 million. I believe the elites are working against the human race and in their own interest, separating themselves from us. Then there's "Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars" which advocated for "benevolent slavery and genocide" to keep humanity from overpopulating the planet (all while making whatever israelite bags wrote the manifesto filthy rich in the process). Warren Buffett said there is class war being waged by the rich on the rest of society and the rich are winning.
You're on the very tippy top vanilla zone of the conspiracy iceberg, cut it out.
nah I'm way down the rabbit hole. ever since I started smoking weed 10 years ago (which I can't do anymore), my mind opened to all sorts of alternative thought. stuff as simple as "the vaccine is bad because the powers that be are bad" to "the Nazis made it to space 80 years ago" to "reptilian aliens eat humans". But I guess these are falling on deaf ears.
(not the religious moron btw) you know what really pisses me off as a conspiracy theorist, that I'm pretty damn sure the elites have cures for illnesses like cancer but are keeping it for their families specifically and suppressing the field from producing cures so they can profit off the exorbitant hospital bills while also keeping the population low to suppress competition for resources from normal people.
Alright I'll work with your stupid cosmology. If the Holy Spirit in man can choose good or evil and the Holy Spirit comes from God, God can choose good or evil. What makes you think he always chooses good? In The Thunder Perfect Mind, past of the Nag Hammadi, he/she says "I am compassionate and I am cruel."
Exactly. The responsibility is on you.
Otherwise it is "Nature's way", which is quite heartless. In all my research it is objectively better to take it on willingly, it is you properly facing evolution, people that cant/dont have messed up lives.
Why did God create this heartless way of nature? Is he heartless or just stupid?
>Why did God create this heartless way of nature?
It is the most efficient way, gentle is for the humane.
>Is he heartless or just stupid?
How much compassion do you see given to itself? Are you better than that? Can you prove it?
What type of Translation, are you using?
Because I have:
>I am He who prepared light and made darkness, who makes peace and creates troublesome things. I am the Lord God who does all these things. (Isaiah 45:7)
The words have no bearing on the insoluble problem of what we call the origin of evil. "Evil," as opposed to "peace" or prosperity, is suffering, but not sin; normally, in the Divine counsels, at once the consequence and corrective of moral evil.
>creates Satan and humans knowing for certain they will create evil
>does nothing to prevent it
That's just creating evil with extra steps. You can't knock down the first domino in a series and claim no responsibility for the last one's falling.
He made the father of sin foreknowing his works. He created evil personified
>that was us actually
No, that was God. It's all God's, and the Devil is really just God taking a break on the seventh day.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_evil
God's creation includes death of the flesh and that is not evil.
causing all suffering to exist, which is of negative value, is evil. God, if he exists, causes all good and all bad things but why should he create bad things? Is he so incompetent that he can't give us a paradisiacal world/existence from the beginning? Therefore he doesn't exist.
>causing all suffering to exist
that explains it all.
This is the biggest bullshit lie I have ever heard. The suffering of an innocent rabbit in the jaws of a fox was caused by Satan and the fall of Adam and Eve? Yahweh is a lying alien and humans still haven't caught on because Christians think they're special and others are less special. Gaining favor with an alien who is a master propaganda artist doesn't make you better, it makes you stupid. Yahweh also had a wife named Asherah, by the way. More reason to believe that he's an alien. He's also probably an atheist since he's pretending to be the creator. Clearly he doesn't fear any kind of action on the part of some real creator.
>The suffering of an innocent rabbit in the jaws of a fox
the churn of the flesh in and out of life is not evil.
But forcing innocent beings to suffer against their will is. That is what God does, if he exists. It's much more likely that he doesn't.
If another man makes you suffer that is not the doing of God the Father because it is misuse of the Holy Spirit and evil.
If a man suffers from the flesh that is because the Holy Spirit is in the flesh which is due to the father of sin.
that isn't at all what he said and you did a shit job trying to change the subject. Your God created a universe in which needless suffering is not only allowed but fairly common. Kids getting cancer and dying before the age of 10 has nothing to do with man, that is an aberration of nature which your God created outright or created the conditions for it to appear in this world. That does not make him " loving" or "benevolent" in my opinion.
>which your God created outright or created the conditions for it to appear in this world
Why do you believe this?
His design, his universe, his fault. Unless you want to admit your " all knowing" deity didn't know what would happen.
Cancer is not a disease. It’s a symptom of parasite and fungal overload in the body. Parasites are physical manifestations of demons.
Bait or mental moronation
>pilpul intensifies
ITS CALLED PHYSICS.
STOP LARPING ON IQfy WHEN YOU GET FILTERED AND NEED TO DENY YOUR INFERIORITY.
Youre the #1 larper on this website shithead. Why do you always lie?
Sure.
Instead of directing your energy on trying to win internet arguments that ultimately do nothing but fuel your ego, you should instead use your God given intellect and curiosity to research what is cancer. If you seek with an honest and pure heart like a child’s, you will find the truth. Gods children are witnesses to evil. In order to strengthen our loyalty to him, we must witnesses to the evils in which the absence of God unveils.
In the beginning, God created light. With that, came an absence of light. Following his own laws, by effect, he created that too. But he is not wicked. He does not actively plan out strategic ways to poison his children, his creation.
Part of our purpose of living life is to be witness to the absence of God, we can see that in the absence of His presence, evil festers, like mold growing on a warm, dark, moist Petri dish,
>They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire – something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind.
Jeremiah 7:31
Our Father’s character as displayed in the Bible is that he’s very thorough and specific with his requests, and gives instructions when he gives them. That is his personality.
Curious how some always question the existence of God are seldom the ones to question Satan’s existence. If you were to be eased into knowing that “Christian” God doesn’t exist, what does that mean for you and or people like you. What will you do with that information? Would it feel more safer for your conscience? Why? You didn’t have to engage in discussion proving whether God was evil or not, but you did so and since it’s obvious you are not engaging in grace, who are you serving?
>Our Father’s character as displayed in the Bible is that he’s very thorough and specific with his requests, and gives instructions when he gives them. That is his personality.
Adding on— if he wanted to be “evil” like you say, given his character on how he’s very specific with his requests to his chosen as referenced many times in the book, he would have done so. But he’s not, as displayed from the quote, it reveals that when people do evil things, it’s not coming from Him. But he did create free will. That is, he gave man the choice between Him or not Him. And where there is an absence of Him, only bad things can fester.
>Yahweh also had a wife named Asherah
Fan fiction.
Lmao. This man is bothered by animal flesh. Are you sure God is evil or are you just a pussy?
I believe suffering is bad/has negative utility. If there was a God it wouldn't exist. You sure you really believe suffering is good? Because you haven't poked your eyes out with a knife yet.
Nah, I fly to the moon, and back, or die in the process.
>God is real. But he's not evil, because he created good.
how is this any different again?
So he's neither. But he's not good. You can say that he is not evil, but you can't say he is good.
No? He made every single thing good or bad but that doesn't mean he will compel the bad to be good and vice versa. His nature is an entirely separate discussion to what he creates.
He made humans bad. Why?
He made humans with the ability to do bad if they willed to do so, big difference. otherwise there would be no test in this life
Where in the bible it says that God gave us free will?
i personally think that god is insane and schizos are actually attuned to his madness
http://skullknight.net/idea/
You a Gnostic? We going to have to stamp this out again? I thought we did that after the Marcionites. (No, I don't think the Albigensians/Cathars were Gnostics, I think a lot of the stories of their Gnosticism were misquoted, taken out of context etc.)
>stamp this out
if you want to fight then start with teaching that worship of Mary is blasphemy. The divinity of the Christ is of God the Father and not from the mortal mother. Worship of the flesh is antithetical to worship of God.
Oh yeah, you won't find any Protestant church worshipping Mary or saints. So they've been doing their part since the Reformation and even before such as with the Waldensians.
Your dad brought you up and supported you all his life, but he's not good, because he slapped you once.
He's not good because he has a basement full of torture victims who will be there literally forever apparently
That’s not how it works, he abandons those who abandon him, and when he withdraws all his presence from you, what remains is pain and regret and agony.
Just like how he abandoned his son when he was crucified by the Romans?
Yahweh is an alien. There is no God because suffering has negative utility and shouldn't exist. That's why 100% of our time is dedicated to either running from it or running towards happiness. A God would speed things up for us or max us out in our level of bliss and eliminate all suffering if he existed, but he doesn't. Nobody I've debated with has refuted this. They all say suffering is good.
"He's our creator and our master so we should obey him or face harsh consequences" -every book of the Bible
The funny thing is that there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for why evil exists in a world in which god exists. Except the religion of the christians prevents them from using this argument so they just babble nonsense
What explanation is there other than "God is both good and evil"?
God creates universes endlessly as quickly as he possibly can. If these worlds then possess suffering then that is a sacrifice he is willing to make in order to create as efficiently as posssible.
But he's not the one experiencing the suffering. He's not sacrificing anything. Innocent beings are experiencing the suffering because of his incompetence. Your God definitely isn't both all-powerful and all-loving.
It's not about sacrifice it's about efficiency, the god we're talking about is not the christian one. To this god, the fact that creation is not infinite is a sin, so he endlessly creates as fast as possible. But he will never achieve this goal for infinity does not exist. Think of him as a human male trying to frick as many women as posibble to create as many kids as possible so that as many conciousness' exist as possible. If some of the kids get raised in shitty homes then that is a sacrifice he is willing to make
Why the need for a God to create infinite universes instead of reality just being infinite from the start?
Because infinity does not exist, it is not a thing the same way 0 is not a thing. God is 1 and he is constantly trying to fill 0 to create 1 but he can't. Just 0.999999 repeating endlessly
Evil is using free will to turn away from God. Evil does not exist as it is simply the absence of good.
bit late to the party but welcome to gnosis
>because he created evil
That only means he's not omnibenevolent like children tend to believe, and it also doesn't make Him evil.
>Luke 18:19 And Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except God alone.