>JRRT
>the Three Ages span 7000 years. Massively different civilizations and settlements rise and fall and are forgotten over this period.
>GRRM
>The 7 Houses are 8000+ years old.
>That's right, the Stark family is an unbroken line for 8000 years.
>Over the span of the books, several of the houses are destroyed or are on the brink of destruction. Not because of an extremely rare event, just normal wars, lack of an heir, etc.
>After being impregnable for 8000 years, House Stark finally falls... to Theon and 20 Ironborn.
Yeah, it's obvious who has the more realistic grasp of time.
Robb took most of his able-bodied fighting force south to fight the Lannisters.
whats going on in this gif?
Stacey is repulsed by the goblinoid.
bawd offers ass to fatso
8000 year old dynasties still in power seem impossible in our history as well as in the politically instable world GRRM created. But you have to remember that there is also magic at work and the inherent supernatural properties of the Stark blood could explain why the Starks were in control that long. Other nobles just could not compete with their Old Gods-hivemind connection and ability to somewhat control animals and nature.
But of course nobody can claim he writes more realistic than Tolkien and I think when people say that they mean his characters are more realistic because they are morally grey.
>8000 year old dynasties still in power seem impossible in our history
>he doesn't know
>Other nobles just could not compete with their Old Gods-hivemind connection and ability to somewhat control animals and nature.
this is moronic, starks are not the only ones in possession of magic
No gay angels in GRRMs work.
Frick you blasphemer. Tolkien understood gods love
c**t
Well historically the Imperial family of Japan has been reigning uninterrupted since 5 December AD 539, 1484 years ago
They didn't actually have any real power for a lot of that time, they were/are just symbolic
You have to know that is meant to not be reliable history, and I pretty sure he said that actually the real time span would be close to 1000 years.
i am pretty sure that medieval kings didn t believe that Arthur and Siegfried lived 5000 years ago
the furthest history went was the Bible and that s just because Adam lived for 1000 years or something.
In Yi Ti you have emperors living for thousands of years, but it stops before the long night.
You also have Jon as the 998th Lord Commander.
It s pretty clear that history goes back more than 3000 years, which is pretty believable unless you consider how the houses didn t fall for so long.
There are no Roman patrician families left in Europe.
The furthest you can possibly go to have some acceptable genealogy, are the French with the Merovingians, then Carolingians and finally Capetians.
there also, is the way in which old nan tells, those stories as if they happened not so long ago
i am pretty certain that in europe few knew about greek mythology and even the old testament
>i am pretty sure that medieval kings didn t believe that Arthur and Siegfried lived 5000 years ago
Yeah, but they did believe they lived some 1500ish years before them, and nearly every major aristocratic family of the period massively bullshitted their distant genealogy.
>In Yi Ti you have emperors living for thousands of years
According to guys who talked to guys who saw one guy who's friends with a guy with a sailor on a ship that docks not too far from Yi Ti.
>You also have Jon as the 998th Lord Commander.
They could easily go through some 30ish guys in a bad year. Or a good year, too.
Yeah I always found that weirdly out of place given the realism of the rest of the setting. My guess is he committed to it early on as an afterthought but then was stuck with it?
Doesn't it barely affect anything to retcon it anyway? I thought pre-conquest Westeros was basically 300~ years back from the story in the books. Why is it necessary to have 8000 additional years before that of stagnation? Why not just say the Starks are an ancient noble family, with records/myths saying they're even more ancient, but ultimately it's just thousands of years of murky early history?
>realistic
You're reading books about dragons.
>DRAGONS IN GRRM ARE ANIMALS THAT DONT TALK WHEREAS--
Anything after the word 'dragon' is irrelevant.
Don’t make me tap the sign, moron
>>The 7 Houses are 8000+ years old.
heh...
that's most likely propaganda bullshit from each house
the maesters also don't investigate it thouroughly because they don't want to offend them
>"GRRM writes much more realistic scenarios than JRRT"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Book_of_Westmarch
JRRT never intended his scenarios to be "realistic". JRRT intended to emulate a "medieval" manuscript, re-edited, expanded or perhaps made-up by several narrators.
It's why, for example, Feanor's name is a blending of Quenya and Sindarin: this story (in-universe) was "recorded" much later by Sindarin-speaking people who did not even know their Quenya well, much less witnessed anything.
GRRM is only "realistic" to mentally ill perverts and morons. Besides, his entire, entire world is literally just Europe reimagined in an even less clever way that Tolkien. GRRM is for midwits.
>He bought the thousand year old houses meme at total face value
And who says this is the case? The houses themselves. Like how the nights watch is suggest to be much, much shorter than its records might otherwise say.
>That's right, the Stark family is an unbroken line for 8000 years.
It's just their claim. A lot of noble families made insane claims like this in the past
Kings as far as Wales claimed descent from Roman commanders and the like in the Dark Ages, but that was only a few hundred year difference. 8000 years is so far back from us that writing was still 2000 years away from being invented.
I hope the fat man has a good plot hook to explain the stagnation of technology in the world. The Faith of the Seven is very goofy because it's a religion whose central events and figures lived a medieval type world. The maesters seem like they're discovering new things so it's strange that they're not pushing technology forward despite being around long before Aegon showed up.
His books are full of nonsense. 100000 wildlings being able to survive for even a week while gathered in one place is ridiculous.