Has anyone here actually read this? It's surprisingly muddled, it really is "old man yells at cloud" in book form, which was a pleasant surprise because I was expecting more of a paint by numbers Straussian screed. The best parts ended up being the snapshots of university life in the '60s. Apparently everyone on university campuses has been a liberal hipster pussy for a very long time.
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bloom was a gay man who died of aids, no wonder he was so popular with neocons
It's great. Sparked my desire for education and made me the IQfyizen I am today.
>Mick Jagger is a tart
>It's surprisingly muddled, it really is "old man yells at cloud" in book form, which was a pleasant surprise because I was expecting more of a paint by numbers Straussian screed.
It is, or it is to the extent that he represents a major interpretation ("East Coasters") of Strauss. If you pay attention, until the later sections about Cornell, his "complaints" are almost always qualified oddly, and they only really male sense if his core gripe is that no one else philosophizes (which is his core gripe). Rock fans aren't problematic because they're morally base, they're problematic because they're merely dumb and don't know what's going on with how their obsession informs their worldview. That his moral tone is merely ironic was the complaint/charge levied against him by the other big interpreters of Strauss ("West Coasters").
>East Coast Straussian
>West Coast Straussian
which one of these is more israeli?
probably ECS
Bloom made some wild claims in his book like people didn't philosophize because rock and roll music popped their dopamine cherry or something. I don't know if Bloom and I have two completely incompatible attitudes towards philosophy, but I don't study philosophy necessarily because I love it (although the breakthroughs can be uplifting and looking back on the journey brings me some meager feelings of accomplishment). I study philosophy because I feel like it's my duty. I have one life, and through sheer fate, I discovered philosophy and instantly realized that this is the only thing worth studying. Yet few others are trying to study it the way I am trying to, and we need philosophy now more than ever, so I have to carry on this burden until the bitter end. It feels as grueling as an intense workout program to become a special forces operator, or perhaps even a hiking expedition into uncharted wilderness to rescue a loved one.
Bloom’s book, IMO, aged like milky catshit. Some other wacky bits include how much he detested relativism. Yet the academic “no man’s land” of relativism was quickly replaced by a fanatic dogmatism, and it may have been a sleight-of-hand by academic infiltrators all along. Bloom even describes his ideal civic virtue as a kind of “rational loyalty”, which makes patriotism sound mercenary self-interest. What the hell does he know about loyalty? Our differences in attitude make me think that he's a bit coomer-brained and that, as a representative of philosophy, he's simply jealous in an erotic way towards the other vocations/hobbies/interests/etc., and he doesn’t understand what philosophy should be like in a healthy society and how it ought to contribute to its harmony. Overall, Bloom’s book a turgid, rambling screed that failed in its attempt to sound the alarm over a real decline in academia due to the author’s personal flaws.
Have you read Ravelstein?
I somehow accquired a second-hand copy of this ca. 2000. I didn't read the whole book, but I remember reading and agreeing with the parts about rock music.
>Apparently everyone on university campuses has been a liberal hipster pussy for a very long time.
That's why everytime anyone says this new social trend is just a "university fad", they are either naive or lying.
conservative thought: people should think less and be educated less
>reads a book by an American media pundit
>"It's surprisingly muddled"
why are americans always surprised by the low quality of their literature
>professor of political philosophy
>translator of Plato's Republic, Rousseau's Emile, and numerous smaller worls by both
>"American media pundit"
Life is wasted on the stupid.
btfos moral relativists with facts and science
moral relativists havent been relevant in a generation you eternal boomer
This thread is still up?
Was there a point to bumping without anything to add?
I bump threads about to die which still have the potential for good discussion as a way of contributing to the board. It's a good practice and you should do it too.