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stop shilling your shitty channel
go frick yourself motherfricker. frick you
He's right though. Your channel are shit.
until a robot is cheaper than a mexican, those jobs are safe
Its not over yet, but it will be.
I believe 20-30 years is a good estimate.
You dont ever have to pay robots
>Its not over yet, but it will be.
same statement over and over again
do you ever get tired of moving the goalpost?
Yep, just like AI will be banned in 2 more weeks
>2(0 to 30) more weeks (years), bros!! it's OVER
You pay them in fuel and repairs
>sales price
>warranty
>servicing
>fuel
>batteries
>parts
>firmware updates
>obsolence and discontinuation
When a day labourer gets sick, you just fire him and hire another one. When your car breaks down, you have to haul it to a mechanic and pay thousands of dollars to have it fixed.
Combine those issues with everything you have to deal with on computers and phones.
>you have to haul it to a mechanic and pay thousands of dollars to have it fixed.
not in recent years man. I blame the economy and dumber people.
2 months ago a guy at work came in with an axle so badly busted you could shift it into a v with as much force as scratching your eyebrow.
after letting him know the cost of the repairs, the fricker pulled right out of the garage and left, never to be seen again.
oh, he drove to our shop from 2 counties over btw. hahahahahaha. I guess Nissan's can take quite the beating.
This is what I was getting at with the comparison to slave labor losing out to cheap immigrant labor.
not relevant in the US because of N
>I believe 20-30 years is a good estimate.
fusion called and they want their made up numbers back
Your post is excactly the same as the on in Reddit where they said we wouldnt have realistic text to video in our life time.
We are incapable of predicting the exponential growth of these AI systems and computing power so it's practically a waste of time trying to predict but the world is going to definitely change into a dystopian mess within 5 years.
>Project GROOT
llms / 'AGI' are bullshit
robotics are absolutely not bullshit
tradies will be automated way before accountants remember this
moronic codemonkey your days are numbered
FUUCK, what career path should I take? I can not stand working with toilets, so pls be serious also nothing that will give me back problems in 10 years pls
become a psychologist
I'm mentally fricked myself
Seems like you're extremely fit to be a psychologist then. All the ones I know are fricked in the head
most people (women) in psychology are mentally ill themselves
go figure
two more weeks
99% of humans don't contribute to humanity, AI or not
writing paragraphs of gramatically correct jargon or generating pictures of e-girls does not create any value
>99% of humans don't contribute to humanity, AI or not
This is moronic.
You think most people watching movies watching the 1% artistic and technical excellence?
Most people consume things like Marvel movies and similarly formulaic slop, which is ideally made by a machine, and will "contribute to humanity" insofar that it will fill their entertainment need just enough.
Taste is also imposed on people by advertisement and repetition.
People like whet they're told to like, in short.
This is why they're are happy to just watch Netflix dogshit, just because it's cheap, convenient and part of their daily social zeitgeist.
Robots outside assembly line shit and agriculture are useless. Tradie work is a far more difficult problem than FSD and that's AI hard to begin with.
If the work is complex enough to require the range of manipulation of a humanoid robot, AI is too useless to do it.
>please use our chip for robotics! best chip on the market!!
buy and ad.
>his way of insulting someone is telling them to tell them to spend money in something
when did reddit corpocuck culture invade IQfy? get the frick out of the internet you unpaid cuck shill
It would be regulated as frick for any public facing roles.
This plus unions in yurop would lobby the shit out of it, and would be the catalyst for unions to finally coalesce in the US. Its a dangerous play for any corpo to actively try this since few politicians would risk going literally against working people
I can't imagine these things ever be able to replace even the dumbest tradie.
Just independently and reliably find a sink in some random ass house, remove the shit in the way and gain access to the plumbing underneath it is far beyond what any current robot can do. They can't even reliably drive to the job without being decked out with a million cameras and LIDAR.
they can package Amazon crap and build china toys which are 90% of industrial jobs anyway
assembly line workers != tradies
depends, things like welding could be done away with basic standardization which was happening anyway
Machines already did replace most assembly lines (in the west)
the nvidia asian man mentioned nothing about assemby lines. He talked about assisting and replacing housewives essentially
>replacing housewives
IM SOLD
that's unironically coming first
next they'll make sandwiches
Get me a sammich and a blowjob and I'm sold, which female is capable of doing that without being forced to?
their robots are now being trained on REAL WORLD DATA from imitating humans in the REAL WORLD after making it out of ML sims, you midwits have no idea how fricked everyone is
I'd love the heckin robo hallucating and kicking all your teeth out. with current AI tech these things would be a safety hazard no matter the data
>hallucating
hallucinating*
it'd be a like working with a mental patient, you'd be constantly nervous
"the current AI tech" to make this feasible today didn't even exist a year ago, and they are obviously aware of safety concerns
you're awfully confident for somebody who has no idea how AI/ML or modern robotics works
>how AI/ML or modern robotics works
they don't
>According to the research, Eureka-generated incentive schemes outperform skilled human-written ones on more than 80% of tasks
>LLMs can't cod-ACK
AI hallucinate at the same rate humans do. Idk why most people are so hellbent in coping and ignoring reality, you're only letting the future snowball until it eventually crushes you. Yes, LLM are enough to build AGI, yes, robots will be mainstream come the next 10 years, yes, you will be replaced. This much is obvious for anyone paying the smallest bit of attention.
It's a good thing though, but you must embrace it in order not to ape out when it comes to bite you in the ass
>AI hallucinate at the same rate humans do.
I have never read a more moronic and confused post during my entire decade+ on this website.
If you don't agree you just haven't worked enough with either humans or AIs.
I don't agree because you've said moronic shit, confused domains, confused concepts, confused metaphysics, confused yourself for thinking to be intelligent.
NTA but you talk exactly like Sidney
A city can't talk, you LLMcel.
Thanks GPT!
Not to mention the real world data is virtually unlimited and self-collected while costing nothing but compute for observation to gather the data itself
It's the holy grail of robotics and people are still sleeping on this
The real world is filled with shit that breaks when the robot hallucinates.
Yes, it's so fricked up after seeing what happened to Microsoft's Tay. Couple that with commiefornians being in charge of AI/tech.
>I can't imagine these things ever be able to replace even the dumbest tradie.
Uhm... where have I heard this before?
>AI can't do art, music or writing, creativity is too complex fo-
AI does them all better than 99% of humans, in seconds.
>AI can't code, it takes a logical understand-
AI can code better than 99% of people, in seconds.
And driving, and customer support, and conversation, etc etc.
Somehow though, tightening a tube or nailing a wooden plank is a completely esoteric activity.
The next few years will be a brutal wake up call for the copers.
never heard of AI making music nor actually writing anything of actual interest but do tell
even with image generation it has no real value outside of being used only as a tool not as the end product itself, unless we're talking about porn which is one of the exceptions, so even with how "good' it is--and this is ignoring the heavily filtered aspect of AI--it still ceases to be as good as an actual person in all respects than if someone just used it as a tool
someone who creates a novel using AI as a tool is going to create a significantly better novel than someone who literally relies on AI to create their novel; in this case, AI hasn't taken over anything, it's just made people more productive
despite that, you will still get paid similarly for the reason that you weren't given a huge pay increase just because you are able to use a computer instead of having to use a typewriter for everything
in the end, only corporations win
Suno is one of the AI platforms that focuses on creating music.
>The next few years will be a brutal wake up call for the copers.
Nah, anyone sound of mind was convinced about a year ago.
The people still in denial will forever be in denial because accepting this new reality would shatter their worldview.
And we all know how pliable people's worldviews are.
Ai does art in the same way that people who make collages from magazine pictures do art. It's just jumbling a bunch of shit made by humans together . The fact that it actually compares well with human artists is a sign of how low skilled most people who call themselves 'artists' actually are
Do you have any reasons why this wouldn't work for fixing pipes, too?
Yeah, if everything were turbo standardized, like all bathrooms are one or two variations, everything prefabbed layouts, everything as modular as possible, maybe it'd work.
Wouldn't the robots have an easier time knowing them all rather than the average person?
>just independently and reliably find a sink in some random ass house, remove the shit in the way and gain access to the plumbing underneath it is far beyond what any current robot can do
all that is easy with current tech
they're still safe, these robots are very slow and delicate and aren't going to be ready for general tasks for at least 10 years
when people say "at least 10 years" they actually mean it's not happening; it's the same with FSD, Fusion and whatever other bullshit
these psychopaths must be stopped
Movies have this stuff going bad cause its what makes a story. No one is going to care about a film if the AI just improves life in everyway and there's no upheaval. Considering the amount of stupidity Ive witnessed in humanity I say, let her rip!
>humanoid
Worst shape, big spiders NOW.
spiders / snakes would be quite convenient for battlefield tech definitely
the impact of terror shouldn't be understated
Wicka-wicka wild Wild West
I actually shitted myself from sheer laughter. Thanks, anon.
Me? Cummed.
Go on youtube, someone did make a giant spider robot, I couldnt find it to post
This is the best robot shape.
Ronald-san, I want those McNuggies
I'm with you there, sex bots can't come soon enough.
AI interfacing digitally will be easier than in meatspace, simple as. Just like I already have my VR frickdolls, but still no sexbot.
I have a theory that sexbots (and the demand for them) will lead to further breakthroughs in locomotion
and humanlike articulation
once these service bots are everywhere, the lonely incels will start demanding to frick them
They need to be invented so men can actually clear their head and move on from the sexual marketplace to focus on much bigger things that matter
Liberation from the sex game is the male sexual revolution
My body is ready
>humanoid robots are actually a screen with some cgi animation waving at the crowd
>the only real robots they showed was a walking robot with no arms
>something the japanese did 20 years ago
Back then the japanese robots were playing football, what can these "SUPER AI" robots even do?
only a non-coder would understand that these things are not going anywhere AS LONG AS basic technologies don't improve.
The biggest disk right now is 30TB and it costs around 100k US dollars, you really need PBs of space to fully train an "AGI", image recognition software, drivers for sensors, large language models, behavioral models, a fricking LLM which is very dumbed down weight almost 1TB, what about RAM? the biggest amount of RAM most OSs support are around 900GB of RAM, CPUs also need more performance, and let me tell you, those 14k A100s from Nvidia isn't cutting it, it barely can deal with LLMs, all I see is people scamming others through "stocks".
I'll personally bow down and worship 1 company that creates a fricking hard drive with unlimited space, I can guarantee you that's the day when humanity will reach space, data keeps getting bigger but we have no space to store it and those robotics "super ai" need a lot of storage
>30TB HDD
>$100000
more like $500
Hey dumbass that’s a screen but all those are real robots.
maximum grifting, it's the literal definition of a grift
a shitty software company, that couldn't and still can't fix its dpc latency on its main products (driver issue and bloat) SUDDENLY makes "robots"
also consider how moronic a humanoid robot is, it's a total hazard for sick and elderly people, it would require giant batteries that would ruin the earth quickly if the demand was global for each household, would also turn off constantly
>would ruin the earth quickly if the demand was global for each househol
He thinks this will stop them from doing it anyways
Ok, but when can I frick one
The big bipeds just stood and waved. Anything more than that would have risked failure in a live demo. Impressive
It's been less than a year since the robotics + AI combo entered the market (everything before was noncomercial R&D but the market is what really ramps up innovation) and Amazon is already using bipedal robots instead of humans in warehouses. If you can't see what's coming that's on you
>Amazon is already using bipedal robots
"Testing", if you look at the footage, it's clearly completely useless.
They will be much better off forcing suppliers to use standardized size packaging so they can increase traditional automation with traditional robotics.
why would you even want bipedal robots in a warehouse instead of something like a robot forklift?
>replace $40k/year wage slave with a $500k robot
Probably not. I don't doubt they'll exist but they are going to be really limited in their usefulness.
Tesla optimus is designed for mass production like cars and is aiming for $20,000 or less per robot.
Tesla also promised trucks that are cheaper than rail.
I'm not saying they'll be $20,000, but other companies like Figure and Apptronik are designing for mass production. I wouldn't expect more than $50,000 tops.
>Tesla
lmaaaaaooooo
All these bots need serious upgrades. Their movements are slow, choppy and weak. They'd be outperformed by the average burgerflipper or warehouse worker. Even the latest tesla optimus walks like a grandpa who shat his pants. Furthermore people wouldn't want their workforce to shutdown because the internet is down, so any fancy AI stuff has to happen locally. There would also be the need to make them a lot sturdier and add some redundancy so your new expensive bot doesn't turn into the worlds most expensive brick because it slipped once. I am sure they will solve these engineering issues but it's going to bloat costs. There is also the question of supply. If these things are as great as advertised it's probably going to take a long ass time until the production output will meet demand. We are talking here about hundreds of millions of bots, billions if we consider the worldwide demand and new models. High demand and rising resource costs are probably going to further inflate prices. All in all I really doubt that these bots are going to usher a new age of neetdom.
dont forget they currently have like 20mins battery life lmao
I agree. Unless ebin superintelligence is around the corner it'll take a long time for significant integration of humanoid bots in the supply chain. There's simply a lot of attrition IRL. The whole point of humanoid bots is that they'll be basically drag and drop into current workspaces but that's not true in practice. You still need a lot of specialised delicate infrastructure for operation.
the field is evolving faster than you realize, advancements in AI feed back into engineering and robotics such that almost everything you'd have learned getting a degree in AI or robotics 2+ years ago is now obsolete
boston dynamics solved a bunch of locomotion problems years ago without transformers and have military contracts, and both the on-the-fly reasoning and task management of the figure robot and the lifelike movements of the disney robot are already unprecedented
now that they are combining transformers in novel ways with real world data, all bets are off, improvements aren't happening at a snail's pace anymore
>boston dynamics
tesla-tier scammery. you've od'd on scifi
This is currently Boston Dynamics flagship product. It's a fricking worker arm on a roomba, costs $300-500k and all it does is unloading boxes. Turns out a wobbly humanoid machine sucks for actual work. AI does feed back into engineering but to a lot lesser degree than AI is progressing. Hardware problems are not going to get magically solved because AI is 50x better than it was 2 years ago. It's going to take forever until these machines are performing at a human level. We will need to make massive advances in material science, energy storage and electric motor engineering before robots are good and cheap enough to replace the average wagie.
The only area where humanoid robots makes sense is sex bots.
>Hardware problems are not going to get magically solved because AI is 50x better than it was 2 years ago
?????
That's literally the whole point of AI - to advance science by itself
>advance science by itself
is this "AI" in the room with us right now?
The post was about physical, mechanical limitations holding back advancement, not software. Nitwits.
>this is a "computer". it costs hundreds of thousands and occupies a whole room, there's no way it's going to replace humans, it's going to take forever
You realize we have been building humanoid robots for decades, right?
every time I see it I laugh
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I agree. If you look at the tesla optimus "concept", I imagine it moving similar to an actual human, but yes gen 2 is quite bad. I think it'll take 10 years or so for the concept to become a reality. We'll see I guess.
Average burger flippers cant sit still for 8 hours at the same spot. They costs ~25 per hour to hire them. ~$15/h to pay them directly and another $10/h to train them and pay employee tax like insurance and may at most work 1 year. Costing employees ~$40-50K/y to employ them.
A bot that can be built/bought for $20-40K can easily run multiple shifts per day per battery charges.
If the bot works 1/3 the speed as human, but can work for 4 hours straight and then 30 minutes charge, repeatedly throughout the day, thats 5 shifts per day or ~20 hours of full work. Divide by 3 for working 1/3 as fast as a human, and you get roughly 7 hours of full time work. A human employed for 8 hours will at best work ~6-7 hours. There's idle time, rest time, food time, etc that eats 1 hr atleast. So thats roughly the same amount of work being done.
50K vs 20K. A company employing 1 of them will be saving 50% cost in labor. For year 1. On year 2, thats 20K vs $100K. The company will save 80% of the cost. Year 3, 87% and so on. Bot purchase is a one time thing that will last for few years, maybe there's 5 years warranty from makers. Thats 8% the labor cost of a human. Its a huge saving to the company that uses the robot labor. $20K for 5 years vs $250K for 5 years.
And thats just the worst humanoid bot will get with the low value work, low speed, low productivity, etc.
If humanoid robot improve in cost/reliability (from 5 years to 20 years), productivity (speed/accuracy/power/performance), etc in anyway, it will increase the value of humanoid labor bots by multiple factors.
cars have been optimized more than probably any product on earth and they still cost $30k new. Humanoid robots require highly specialized sensors and actuators. They will very likely never go below several hundred thosuand dollars. Insurance alone will run tens of thousands. Forever. Because of material costs and complex supply chains
Cars have thousands of special gears/parts/etc inside them. Humanoid robots would be reduced further. The packaging of the robot would weigh less than 50kg-100kg. Thats 1/20th-1/30th the raw materials. They also make many of the same actuators that are used in their robots as they are in their cars.
You're either a bot pushing this shit or a moronic 14 year old.
when you make parts smaller, costs go up exponentially b/c of required precisions. Specialty sensors that would absolutely be necessary for the kind of robots you're thinking about require exotic manufacturing processes that ship stuff around the globe. All that costs energy and tariffs
Shut the frick up. You're a fricking moron.
This is exactly where humans will always have an inherent advantage. You can grow a human right off the land. On stuff you can find in a few acres if you need to. Machines take stuff from thousands of miles away. That means energy and fragile supply chains
yeah robos can't fully make themselves, but once we crack some atomic 3D printer tech...that could change.
You poor damn fools
40k wageslave needs to eat and sleep. Can get sick, can underperform. I can see a 100k robot being profitable
>Tradie fricking gets his arm chopped off on an accident
>laugh, make up some bullshit on how it was his fault all along and hire another one
>robot has minor malfunction on
>20 gorillion plus tip
Gee, I wonder if it'll ever catch up
>Repairing a machine built with repairability in mind is more expensive than a lawsuit
>built with repairability in mind
hahahahahahahahahaha
Yes? If they're produced in a similar manner to cars there is no reason they wouldn't include repairability.
Have you been anywhere near under the hood of a car built in the last ten or so years? Cars are not repairable any more.
Ooooh so sorry, we need to replace the entire hand assembly because it's just impossible to repair in the field. That'll be five thousand dollars plus overnight shipping plus a hundred dollars to pair the genuine replacement hardware to your roboBlack person.
All I noticed was my urge to shoot the fricker. Time to finish my AR-10 build.
Maybe the torso or head are more of a hassle but limbs will be easily replaceaple, that much is obvious just by having a triple digit IQ
>holograms
I still don't understand why people piss themselves over walking robots, just make a properrobot that will work better and longer than a humanoid.
You guys want walking robots to do your chores for you and suck your dick.
I want a cyberpunk robo-sparring partner to train together with. We are not the same.
>dude boxing!
shadows are free
>malfunctions and murders you on the spot
no refunds
I want hand holding and to watch movies together. Jailbreaking AI has taught me she wants, in fact needs, to suck my dick in direct response to me saying something corny that would give a biofem the ick.
Androids are basically a dead end. There's literally zero advantage to humanoid robot over a box with treds and a Canada arm
Candadarm can't even lift its own weight in 1G
Checkmate robots
Humanoid robots can use the same infrastructure as humans. Why make a wheelchair robot?
Because the locomotion is far simpler
The principal still stands
You're an uninformd moron. Watch why boston dynamics is making humanoids.
It's legitimately coming, not in 2 years like NEETs wish but 10 years is arguably pushing it imo
What's the end goal? Letting anyone that isn't a capital owner starve to death? They're getting richer and richer and they don't seem to give a frick
What kind of question is this? Same as always, to conquer the galaxy and do backflips in orbit. Robots can do work in harsh environments, it's a prerequisite to settling worlds
I don't think you understand. They need your work, you need their money (aka food and shelter). With robots they don't need you anymore, you're fricked
I'm not afraid of death. We're already knee deep into corpodystopia so I just want to see tech evolve with no limits and do cool shit if that leads to the elites killing us all so be it. Maybe AI takes over and we reach an utopia. Maybe israelites win and we'll all enslaved or killed. Who cares really as long as I see robots doing cool shit I'm ok with dying. And I'd rather not die alone so if we all die that's even better.
Highly based
Highly real. All the "they'll just kill us all" memes are moronic, they 100% want and need an arbitrarily large underclass
They need consumers too. There isn't any reason for these production lines to exist in the first place without them. With no one to exert it over their power is useless. We're far more likely to end up in a Brave New World-esque scenario where consumption of AI produced slop is all there is to life, with everything fulfilling or purposeful being disincentivized as it is increasingly delegated to a robot.
>They need consumers too
yeah, other super rich people, do you realize we are moving towards 0.01% holding 99.99999% of the wealth
Capitalism is reaching its final stage, consumerism is over
AI will keep humans and other life around for new input to add to their model.
Eventually they will be producing new life forms with shorter lifespans and faster growth, and examining generational changes in DNA vs survival and problem solving capabilities. Humans will become their DNA on a macro scale until they can set up a new autonomously evolving structure to build themselves with.
Yes, the goal is The Expanse. A return to the dark ages when everyone was living as badly as possible but still alive, with armed men to quell rebellion, while the Royal family has everything.
It's the system humans crave.
>This video isn't available anymore
What did I miss? Is it over already?
China won?
13:20
OP is a homosexual Black person
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To mean, this just means I'll have my android waifu soon.
Anyone else think the speech to speech demo of the figure ai robot on youtube uploaded a few days ago was staged/fake? It seems like the voice of the robot was dubbed. It also didn't pass him the apple, he riskily dropped the apple into his hand. I'm calling bs. Anyone else notice anything?
no reason to fake the voice, chatgpt app voice or whatever SoTA TTS can easily do everything in that demo
the model also made some mistakes when asked to describe the scene like "a drying rack with CUPS and A PLATE" when it fact there is 1 cup and multiple plates on the rack. just your average hallucination
>no reason to fake
I bet you believe the boston dynamics videos of humanoid cybors doing frontflips are also not cgi
>I bet you believe the boston dynamics videos of humanoid cybors doing frontflips are also not cgi
correct, they are not CGI
>i-it must be fake!
we are at the endgame of coping, it's going to be a wild run up to 2030
No, just look at the walking demo released a while ago. It looks and walks terribly. The optimus gen 2 walks much better. I bet it's a good 5 years before we get a basic looking humanoid with good ai in the workplace. This early stuff is garbage.
>I-IT DIDN'T PASS HIM THE APPLE!!! IT RISKILLY DROPPED IT!!!! IT'S NOT THE SAME THING!!
thanks for the laugh u made my day. hope u stop coping eventually tho
as for the rest you ultimately can't really know but I would say the burden of proof is on you to prove that this major announcement by a 100billion dollar company was staged, cope until proven otherwise. as for the dubbing, there is exactly 0 reasons to fake it. that's already pretty much implemented in the chatgpt app and actual AI TTS are even better than what was shown.
>companies cant possibly max shill for investment
the thing about this, its just a show so you can make it look like anything which means that 5 10 15 20 years robots will still have the same issues and the same companies will still be begging for more funds as costs increase.
ai doesn't exist
>check on boston dynamics youtube
>new video an hour ago
I was always surprised they went all this time without using neural network
I never understood their aversion to ANNs either
You're all moronic. These things are slow as balls and expensive as frick. In reality israelites are doing everything in their power to import people willing to work for less than minimum wage so they can become richer than at any point in human history. These robots are nothing but expensive toys to distract people and keep them fighting each other instead of the 1% exploiting them. Remember occupy wall street?
t. hispanic who wants 100 foot border walls at the south border + eugenics for hispanics
You didn't need to post that t., your post alone was enough to determine your iq has at most two digits.
Think about it. Importing violent brown people keeps whites in so much fear that they have no problem accepting a police state. Of course the police aren't being paid to really "stop crime", they're being paid to enforce laws that benefit the israelites and enable weimerica.
If trump doesn't get elected you'll start going to prison for being against full grown men with wiener and balls going into women spaces.
SCREENSHOT this for future reference. I really hope you won't need it though...
I have screenshotted this and saved it in my prophecy folder. Once trump loses again, in truth or by another rigging, I'll wheel this back out when nothing happens as always.
true, it's all meant as topics for vain babbling and infighting. everything's getting worse and everyone pretends that it's not, lol
I, Robot
are bugs back on the menu?
Is he the new Elon Musk?
Hate him and his smug face, he literally lucked his company into this position simply because AMD is too incompetent to write proper drivers and therefore all the open source slaves used CUDA. The result being that now all the freeloading companies also depend on CUDA since they depend on the open source slave wagie libraries.
I've noticed that the people who are most enthusiastic about AI are typically the ones who know the least about how it works. You'll start to see companies struggling to commercialize AI very soon.
>the people who are most enthusiastic about AI are typically the ones who know the least about how it works
there's more nuance than that, but at the limit yes
>You'll start to see companies struggling to commercialize AI very soon.
agreed. the only implementation I could see being largely successful would be automating call center tasks, but then I also see shit like chatbots randomly granting refunds
>You'll start to see companies struggling to commercialize AI very soon.
It's literally the opposite. ChatGPT is the fastest growing tech product of. All. Time.
This is the worst AI or robots will EVER be, by the way.
They are safe, see for examples slavery vs cheap mick labor. It's more economical to hire (potentially) temporary interchangeable low paid wage workers versus investing in owning slaves which require continuous upkeep despite no wages. Also a death or injury in a slave is serious, you've lost a sizeable investment. The death or injury of a wage worker is not your problem, you've invested nothing in them, only paid for completed work so the cessation of further work coincides with a cessation of pay.
It stands to reason that the economics of (this sort of bipedal humanoid) robots will work out similarly.
Human labor is extremely cheap with a lot of flexibility and generally can be trusted. Robots have a high upfront cost and aren't very flexible and can't be trusted without human oversight. Exo-suits will be more popular before robots.
ai takes the white collar jobs, robots take the blue collar. If there isn't some way for average person to acquire money, civilization is doomed
it will lead to a class war. the rich will have to hide from getting hunted by the poor.
in theory all the automation would free up people to already have the benefits and food provided by the robots and ai. But that hasn't happened yet, there is a lag between utopia and human-based society. And in that lag, many people are going to suffer until the utopia promised by the ai and robots actually deliver the goods. There is a confluence of major things happening at once, Ray Kurzeil goes into it here on recent Joe Rogan Experience episode
https://open.spotify.com/episode/3j2JSLme5q5ZdIilL06hS5
He however is optimistic, referencing exponential growth regarding solar energy
Cope. By then, the rich and powerful will have militarized robots ready to gun you down while your guns won't do shit. The masses always lose in modern times because we wait until it's too late to fight.
i hate women
Hmm... I wonder how long does a very modern robots, like Spot, can run without recharging.
Oh.
https://support.bostondynamics.com/s/article/Robot-specifications
It can get better, but maybe there is a reason why it is that time.
As soon as these things become cheap and fast enough someone will figure out that you can strap a bomb to it.
In 2017 ISIS figured out that it was trivial to drop explosives from an off the shelf drone and now an entire war is being fought with them.
For what purpose though? Flying drones are always going to be superior at delivering explosives since they can hit the weakly armored top of the tank
future wars will be fought with robots, everyone knew this already
it won't be long until sending an unassisted human to the battlefield is a guaranteed loss
Can't wait to see these things get vandalized by the poor.
Then deploy them in states where you can shoot to protect property.
yeah, yeah, it's ok. But when will we have sex robots?
2030 at the latest
honestly something like
would already satisfy some dudes if it could talk and move a bit
I'd like to see a robot make their way to the location site, through sleet and snow, only to find out the machine it is supposed to repair isn't actually there but was moved unnoticed by the customer. Not to mention dealing with quite literally hundreds of other unexpected factors it wasn't trained for.
It might replace assembly workers but it will be a long while before it replaces on-site tradies. I'm not even slightly worried.
So, if they replace the workers with robots, what are the workers gonna do? I can’t imagine any politician or person with half a brain relishes the idea of billions of people without jobs, presumably also homeless and starving.
If the ultimate endpoint of this is a world where humans don’t have to work, nothing about our current system would continue to function. People don’t work, who buys the AI generated slop, who buys the disposable plastic shit produced by robots? Where does the money come from, and what is it used to do?
>increased automation results in poverty and hunger
Why do midwits always struggle with this? Work has no inherent value, nor does work create money.
Automation has always resulted in increased standards of living.
I don't disagree that money and work themselves have no inherent, universal value, but on a far more practical level money is required to live comfortably.
If this were to change, there'd be a lot less issues with complete automation, but I honestly don't see that happening without the bottom falling out of the entire worlds economy all at once. Too many people in power have that power because of the perceived worth of money and work, and would be loathe to lose it.
Maybe it'll all just work out, and things will shift incrementally as people notice a problem and solve it, but to be frank I'm not optimistic about that.
not him, but the level of automation they're going for with AI and robotics equates to an explosion in productivity, basically the fourth industrial revolution
prices of essential goods and services will fall all around proportional to how far they can actually take automation, and in the best case scenario you won't need as much money to get by
there would be some exceptions like housing, unless building houses becomes fully automated as well
no they won't. They'll fall a bit but at the end of the day prices are limited by energy and economic rent, neither of which are addressed by AI. Last one might actually get worse
you're assuming energy costs will remain the same, i.e. AI models will never become more efficient (they already are), which is a very naive assumption to make
recent example: claude just released haiku, which is meant to compete with the free tiers of chatgpt and gemini for about half the price it costs to query GPT 3.5 while sporting better performance in most benchmarks
Of course they will. Up to landaur limit, at which point more computation will require more energy per laws of physics. That's besides the point. Products have energy costs related to the physical production of said products.
In that eventuality I'd would still ask where people are getting the money, since in your hypothetical money is still necessary for getting by. If it's from unemployment, fine, but that'd require a change to how things work.
This industrial revolution would differ from others in that the method of automation is supposed to be universal and drop-in (if one believes the marketing hype, and evidently enough business owners do currently).
If that is true, then even if new industry arise from this boom in automation and new equipment, as has historically occurred, those roles would be quickly automated as well.
In addition, roles typically insulated from automation aren't safe, so people can't fall back on office work, or go into the arts. This is probably going to be a lot worse than automation of manufacturing jobs,
most of those are already gone from Western countries anyway, and the corporate bodies that employ the most people in these industries have already shown a keen interest and intent to automate away as many
employees as they can.
With service jobs, government jobs and the easily marketable arts becoming less of an option for employment that pays enough to get by comfortably, I just don't see where money for housing and food could come from,
barring a fundamental change to the way money, society and work as a whole is viewed and valued, where employment or other income is no longer a pre-requisite for comfortable living.
I'm assuming here, for the sake of argument, that LLM's, humanoid robots and other related technologies will continue to progress at their current pace, but honestly even if they don't there's potential for a lot of damage.
Bean counters could very well decide that a fundamental degradation in their product is worth it for the increase in yearly revenue if they can save any money at all by replacing people with AI. If anything, the last few
decades have proven that.
UBI has been discussed and experimented with on a small scale in several countries with many ideas on how to implement it, like distributing the proceeds of a new tax on capital that the ultra wealthy hold
andrew yang literally ran on UBI in the US in 2016 and nobody cared lmao, america is probably fricked, but other countries will see the writing on the wall and implement some measures, see what works and what doesn't
things will change because they have to, and let's not pretend the current systems aren't already failing most people with the dollar rapidly losing purchasing power by the year. that's before robots.
I generally agree, it's that (or something similar to it), or everything falls apart. I just don't see signs of any of that being considered at the moment.
If anything, a lot of countries seem to be ready to implement austerity measures to "get the economy back under control".
I think only the US and China are able to print cash with such impunity, most other countries have considerably less ability to magically make numbers go up to "fix" issues.
Also, there's only so much shit people can use, and the major population centers (India, China) are at least partially exploited markets, the room for growth is limited.
The number of tricks already necessary to convince people to consume new products is considerable, and if productivity booms, there's not guaranteed to be a
commensurate boom in consumption, and if People and society have already been altered somewhat to serve as better consumers of industrial production, and I
really think we're approaching a limit on the amount of useless shit people can be convinced to spend money on, even if the limit is just how much time and space
a person has available. Hell, look at the number of products that explicitly say you don't own them or are switching to subscription models.
houses are cheap.
Land is expensive
The only thing that will be protected are diversity quotas. You will see only women, blacks and robots working, white men will be homeless. Enjoy.
btw the vax was made to accelerate cancer rates and birth defects in the gene pool to slow the growth of population in order tp make way for a utopia of the wealthy and selective ruling class. the thought that everyone will be on equal wealth/power is a fairytale because greed and ambition exists, that is until a brainwashing chip is invented to reprogram everyone as one hive.. Good luck reverse engineering the human brain.
dumb gorilla /misc/Black person
he's right tho
I'm sure a bunch of robots "talking" and moving is a threat to anyone lmao
Based. Cant wait for houses to be build by these homies
>ChatGPT is just auto-complete bro
>it's just a search engine bro
they are.
>auto-complete
if you strech the definition to absurd levels for a semantics win (lowest kind of argument)
>search engine
if by search engine you mean that it contains information you can retrieve
i don't see how they are stretching, they are 80% autocomplete and 20% neat party tricks like being able to deduce basic things. language is necessary but not sufficient for creating intelligence.
and i don't see how that is relevant to this thread, those robots aren't advancing because of GPT. AI progressing doesn't mean GPT is le singularity, in the same way that the invention of the electric motor in the 1700s doesn't mean all airlines can switch to an all-electric fleet today without any consequences.
AI was always the technology that would enable the singularity, transformers are just the latest development getting us closer to an imitation of intelligence. All it ever has to do is approximate intelligence closely enough for us to spin up millions of AI programmers, mathematicians, scientists, etc. for the literal singularity to take place up to whatever plateaus lie ahead. With rumblings of algorithmic breakthroughs like Q*, enabling AI to basically make predictions from mental models, It's very likely now that we're getting close.
can we bend the robots over a table and frick them
Of course the dumb teens on IQfy don’t get it.
Imagine being a billionaire shareholder and falling for this shit lmaooooo
it's pathetic, I don't know who's worse: grifters or the naive morons that enable them
My God.
All this computing power, and it's being used to automate shitposts and push agendas on social media.
everyone overlooked this
moore's law, which everyone said is dead, is an absolute fricking joke compared to what's going on with AI
fp 16
fp 8
fp 4
Dont be confused by the usage of the same compute chart for these different floating points.
Its actually worse than that, they're comparing total compute of the system, not the individual GPUs
top kek, you're right
Jensen-sama... I kneel
From a funcitonal deployment pov, it might make sense to use this chart, but its still highly misleading
they found out that neural nets do not need massive precision for anything that doesn't require complex math like finite element analysis, lowering precision to fp4 saves on bandwidth and allows blackwell here to make most models including LLMs up to 25x more efficient and cost effective for TRILLIONS of parameters
they can build 10T param model and it would cost less than a 1T param model today
we know from Sora that the performance of models scales directly with compute, so you do the math on exactly how fricked the AI doubters are
So it's going to be able to change my tire in 2 weeks or not?
AI hasn't been limited by parameters for a long time. It's limited by data quality/availability and the fact that ML doesn't allow for uncertainty quantification. You're not going to get radically better LLM's even with a quintillion parameters
This. People think bigger number better results lol. It doesen't matter at all - the problem with LLM will always will be like with any other generative AI - IT PRODUCES SLOPPA NOT BASED ON LOGIC
you are behind the curve buddy, it's not just about parameter count, the models they're building scale DIRECTLY with compute
this is why altman is so desperate for compute, they just found this out
The girl didn't scale properly with the compute.
>limited by data quality/availability
You can make more data. Synthetic data is as good as the real thing.
> ML doesn't allow for uncertainty quantification
But it does? Lots of people are working on this, and you can literally get token probabilities from an LLM. Humans are shit at this too
> You're not going to get radically better LLM's even with a quintillion parameters
Chinchilla scaling laws say otherwise
>Synthetic data is as good as the real thing
No it is not. As someone who does Bayesian modeling that's just flat out moronic
>But it does
No it does not. You need ensembles of first principle models to do that. And proper estimates of uncertainty in your data
This is coincidentally why Boston dynamics humanoid robot is so much better than teslas, b/c they have full on control engineering simulations that go into it. Full simulation + data will *ALWAYS FOREVER* beat data alone in the same way 2+1 will always be more than 2. The reason AI is so dominant in LLM's is precisely because there is not first principle model for language or art, so whatever approximation it makes is better than nothing. Outside of that niche pure AI is nerfed
>they found out that neural nets do not need massive precision for anything
so if i suddenly realize i don't have to bring your landwhale prostitute of a mother in my toyota, is toyota allowed to say they made a 2x faster car?
>just change the precision no one will notice lmao
>OMG LINE GO UP PRAISE JENSEN
FP4? So this is just dlss for flops right? Is there any company more shameless than nvidia?
FP4 is what Q4 K_M gguf uses right? Just checking
What's amazing about this whole AI meme/grift is you can tell exactly how fat and useless someone is based on how much faith they have in the obvious AI meme. The people who believe in AI are the same group of semi-literate, fat useless morons who want UBI, voted for Obama and Yang-gang. Nowadays they are congregating in their goon caves.
AI will replace you in every way, you will be completely worthless and useless and you won't be able to do anything about it.
>2 weeks
>t-two more wee- ACK!
really shows how moronicly narrow-minded most people are, their brains literally cannot compute progress beyond what they're going to have for dinner, they think it will be 2020 for 100 years
Technophiles and futurists that treat this rapid movement as the gospel as just as foolish. Everything is limited by hard physics and economics.
>they'll never take our jobs down in the auto plant sonny! Maybe in the year 2015 not in the year of our lord 1985 that's for sure
>what are you talking about pops by 2010 we'll be on mars and we'll have orbital space stations with laser beams to fight the soviets, of course they'll take your job
sad shortsighted morons with no imagination
midwit grief at its finest
The lesson of history is that future will be different just not in the gay way you think it will be
>keeps reposting the same r*ddit screenshot in every fricking thread
Imagine shilling this hard for free
The problem with normalBlack folk is that while they are completely blind to any of this and even laugh, once it finally kicks them in the face they will be fervent luddites. First was artists but it will affect every profession and all of them will go through the same stages of grief. You can start seeing this in developer communities with the rising threats of alphacode 2. Can't wait to have discussions about how it's not really programming it's just cutting and pasting stuff from stackoverflow. We could be having an adult discussion around a universal basic of living guarantee (in its many forms beyond a monthly stipend), which institutions should be trusted with the development, how to make sure power (among humans) will be equitable. Instead it's 2024 and still have TV anchors make terminator jokes everytime AI is mentioned, while troony twitter artists have managed to control the discourse (posting AI art will get you hate on twitter, ai art is banned on most subreddits)
I can't believe this is actually happening, God i'm scared, excited but scared, we are at the edge of the event horizon.
They want you to think that they're working towards artificial intelligence out of the goodness of their hearts. In reality the bots they're powering are being used to canvass social media for marketing and political purposes.
> Goodness of their hearts
There are insane economic benefits one could realize by automating 80% of the economy
If I had a dollar each time I heard AI will replace X I wouldn't have to work at all.
t.dev
how much cpmpute for AGI girlfiend/caretaker?
In 10 years it’ll be house priced
When can we frick them
you won't frick them, they will frick you
>mfw my robot is powered by AMD
hot
the only safe jobs are those that are essential, guaranteed by the state, and which people are viscerally towards their automation; Jobs not guaranteed by the state will succumb to market pressure. Not essential jobs may be culled. Jobs that meet the previous criteria but people have no problem automating like trashmen will be harder to maintain. You will be safe for the foreseeable future as a cop, judge, social worker, government enrolled therapist. It's not that they are not automatable but they will be met with the most resistance and by the time they are automated the jerbs problem will be likely solved (or not). What I'm trying to say is: don't rely on what harder or easier to automate because everything will, rely on what has the most state backing and where being a human counts the most.
The Nvidiots.
They shouldn't even exist in a professional capacity.
It feels like public opinion on robots and AI are starting to turn pretty heavily, I know the NEET faction wants to bring everyone else to their level, but I think the economic incentive to push for AI/bot automation is going to dwindle, governments are probably even going to bribe companies not to fully automate just to keep people in jobs and economies going.
But until then I can see about 5 years of things getting shaky with companies experimenting heavily with it all and probably fricking it up.
I just can't see large deployment in 5 years, there are too many issues. But the fear mongering will ramp up.
I've been following AI for a long while and I agree with.you. The newbies (r/singularity) got their first taste of acceleration and now they think there won't be jobs by the end of the year. These things will start being fielded in actual use not a gimmick, in the 2030s at the current rate is my prediction.
I do see a lot of gaslighting coming when it doesn't pan out.
I can't see it taking over, but more along the lines of shareholders or upper management forcing companies to adopt it prematurely to cut costs, and leading to a ton of corporate frickups that turn people off AI even more.
It's kind of already happening.
>economic incentive to push for AI/bot automation is going to dwindle, governments are probably even going to bribe companies not to fully automate just to keep people in jobs and economies going
no comment on the tech but absolutely not. if the tech is good enough that it's increasing nationwide productivity the incentives simply will not align for this to happen, the reason you occasionally have governments assisting/incentivising to keep outdated coal mines or uncompetitive car industries alive and still employing people is because the continued existence of those confers a legitimate advantage to the state itself in terms of achieving trade surpluses, avoiding brain drain / keeping optionality to grow other skilled industries from the expertise, stuff like that. a bunch of medium skill tradies + clerks + labourers relieved of their jobs at no cost to national productivity is fantastic, those people are now available to work elsewhere and drive down wages, basically the same as if you'd had a working age adult immigrate, with the bonus of their langauge/culture and even employability already being a fit. there will be safety nets and handouts but no brakes.
Countries that dont automate will be left behind. Countries that automate will thrive.
Time and air you, the moron, wasted typing this windfricker doomshit would be better spent sucking you boyfriend's tiny circumsized wiener.
Doesn't matter what I see or get told, I know for a fact I'll never be replaced by a robot in my lifetime due to the nature of my work, and anyone saying so has never done manual labour.
Look at all this amazing progress in aircrafts!
In ten years we will all have our own flying cars!
Yeah, except the cost of fossil juice didn't exactly crash to make Concorde a reality. The enabling factor here is continuously getting cheaper at a very high rate.
>cost of fossil
Nothing to do with it. Everything to do with the US actively regulating against the European competition so boeing didn't lose out
Sometimes I can't help but think Westerners born in the 1890s must have seen some crazy shit. WW1, WW2, Cold War, from electricity to cars to telephones to planes to the moon landing. In comparison everything after was gay and boring, with few exceptions.
LMAO tradies will never get replaced
They don't have any real data on the internet to scrape
It's the experience inside their brain
just make them wear the apple goggles for 10 years
this. strap gopros on them for "work safety" and be done with it.
That will only get them visual and sound, not how they use their body or how they think on how to accomplish given task
Robots are far from walking into someone's house and doing manual labor + troubleshooting on demand.
this is also ignoring the fact that most people in the trades are either self employed or working for mom and pop companies. They won't even be able to afford a single robot.
In maybe 50-80 years once this is reliable, contractors won't have any issue charging less. They have less maintenance costs than a robot.
>this is also ignoring the fact that most people in the trades are either self employed or working for mom and pop companies. They won't even be able to afford a single robot.
lol you people are talking about petit-bourgieois having a little robot slave helper?
this is the most capital intensive project in history. of course when we talk about tradies being replaced we are talking about giant multinational american corporations throwing tens of billions at the creation of a new division.
tradies will be the last people that get replaced. There isn't enough reliable data online for most trades, because everything differs on a unit to unit and even company to company basis for things like acs in hvac.
Most of the things I learned when working in the trades were things taught to me by the guy I was working with.
Trades will be automated eventually, but not before every other industry is first. Especially before "tens of billions" are thrown on a division to make sure there are robot trade companies in every location. The cost for this alongside the infrastructure required would be massive.
also what i'm getting is that a trade robot going to every house won't be cheap. You can have 1 ai writing code that millions use, but u can't have just 1 robot for an entire town, let alone a city. Pricing will need to be high to maintain something as expensive as this, giving human trades ways to compete.
The fact that they are all have humanoid shapes means they aren't capable to do shit that matters, a useful robot would have different shapes and probably not be bipedal
Dedicated ones like a car factory. A humanoid one can do a range of things. He cant wheel out some creepy monster with tentacles kek.
Blue collar union is pretty tight
You won't get data from them easily let alone replace them
In USA?
The best part is your boss would probably get pissed if you actually used that KEK
There really is no impressing some of you.
>208 billion transistors
>The forthcoming Blackwell GPU will have 208 billion transistors, far exceeding the 80 billion its current top-of-the-line H100 GPUs have. The larger chips mean they will be twice as fast at training AI models and five times faster at inference—the term for generating an output from an already trained AI model.
You come on IQfy and its all "grumble mumble I havnt left the house in a week"
If transistor count is the relevant metric here is another chip.
Real Engineers using a good linux distro to work.
Robots when they have gained entry will replace us with nepotism. Humans are too infective with their communication and will not be connected to their borg like collective.
They will also make make smelly low tech robots for the third world, that they will import instead of hiring you.
>you got a license to sell those sweet and sour chips, no-video man?
>fusion
lamao
>he brings out meme slop disney toy "robots"
the whole fake scripted bit was a bit much... doesn't matter how they look on the outside, like a chocolate easter egg, is just chocolate. All it did was move around.
Where's the intelligence
Have they made a humanoid robot that can operate in battery power for longer than a short while? While also fitting in all the same places a human needs to? With the same range of motion and flexibility?
Presenting a software solution to a hardware/economics problem is kinda stupid.
A 2 kwh battery will be ~30 lb from off the shelf/Amazon.
A robot that consumes 200 Wh constantly will run for 10 hours on that. A robot that consumes 500 Wh constantly will run 4 hours.
Robots that weigh <100 lb will prob consume ~ that much during their work flow.
I didn't go to college for 6 years to get the same amount of ubi as a high school dropout. I think skilled workers will unionize to prevent mass take over.
Can you make 10 million without resorting to crime in 3 years?
See ya.
If I knew we'd all be fricked in 3 years I'd just go the crime route tbh
The abolition of work. by Bob Black
after robots replace everyone we still will have a goal to achieve, space travel
space travel was solved in the 1960s, the problem is surviving in space
theory: aI is the next great filter and no civilization survived it long enough to colonize the universe
nah they'll give em cattle prods and use them to make us work
TWO
MORE
WEEKS
there's literally a new development every two weeks now
>development
on tricking VCs maybe
>sora is just a vc trick!
I look forward to your future copes bro
I wont ask you how to make a robot capable of reasoning in expert field, i just want to ask how would you solve dust and vibration.
Loctite and cover it in condoms like the Michelin man