>Heh, looks like you never repented for stealing that pokemon card in elementary school

>Heh, looks like you never repented for stealing that pokemon card in elementary school
>Looks like you're condemned to hell for all eternity, NEXT!

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  1. 1 month ago
    Radiochan

    repenting is a blanket statement the lord doesn't expect you to list off all the times you've jacked off

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Do you actually feel sorry for stealing that Pokemon card tho? Like take me for instance, I'm a fedora and you could say I do in the sense that you describe it feel bad for all the bad shit I've done, but I don't actually feel bad about fricking my girlfriends, for instance. If you don't feel bad for having stolen that Pokemon card, isn't that the same thing?

      • 1 month ago
        Radiochan

        have you repented, accepted Jesus Christ, been baptized for the remission of your sins, and showed the work of the Holy Spirit within you? if so the Bible makes it clear that your salvation is such

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not asking whether I'll go to heaven or not, I'm trying to see what you actually mean by repentance.

          • 1 month ago
            Radiochan

            whatever answer I give it's unlikely you would care about it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If I converted, wouldn't I still need to feel sorry for having fricked my girlfriends in order to be saved?

          • 1 month ago
            Radiochan

            you would recognize the sins you have committed and be genuinely repentent about it, yes

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            How the hell do I do that? I genuinely don't think I can feel sorry for having fricked my girlfriends. Why is your religion so weird?

          • 1 month ago
            Radiochan

            shrug
            I'm not a Christian but I've read the Bible
            I suggest you do too

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Christian moral teaching is only going to make sense in the context of a relationship with God.

            You don't start by understanding. As Saint Augustine puts it, we have faith so that we might understand. One can doubt if anything is good or true. Maybe you were switched at birth and your parents aren't your parents, etc. But it is impossible to understand anything if one sticks to radical skepticism. You don't learn physics by doubting everything in your textbook, and you don't grow in knowledge of the faith by refusing to engage with it.

            Conversion involves metanoia, a changing of the mind. One wants to know God, as all men naturally want to know (Aristotle's opening lines). It is wanting to know what is truly good, not just what seems good or what others say is good that allows us to transcend current belief, desire, circumstance, and instinct and become truly self determining (Plato). You can't be free if you're just an effect of other causes.

            Christianity is ultimately a religion of freedom. Romans 7 is probably the pound for pound most influential text for the philosophy of free will. There Saint Paul describes how he does what he hates and is ruled over by desire. He is dead in sin, not a biological death, but a death of any true autonomy and personhood. He is only resurrected by Christ, the Logos.

            For man can only be free if he knows why he acts, does what he thinks is good, and can know the true good.

            Metanoia is generally supported by ascetic practice, a sort of exercise to train the rational part of the soul to rule over the spirited and appetitive parts. To be self determining.

            Here is where moral discipline comes in at first. But the person is merely continent in Aristotle's terminology. They want vice but act virtuously because they want to know the true good and be free. It's only with illumination, knowledge of the Good, why God's law is what it is, that one enters the state of virtue where everything is easy.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You might consider here the sublime writings of Saint Paul, Saint Ignatius, or Boethius has they were in prison, perhaps undergoing torture, and awaiting grizzly deaths. They are no longer reliant on any outward good. They aren't people who will stop being happy if they lose their money, or GF, or drugs, or friends. They know why they act and see it as the highest good, even onto torture and death.

            But illumination doesn't come out of the blue. Jesus says his yolk is light but then also describes following him as bearing a cross. How can it be both?

            Because it is hard to leave sin when one is in sin. Once one has left it is joyful. Accepting torture and death like Origen or maiming like St. Maximus was easy, where as recognizing one's own lack of freedom, slavery to sin, and past transgressions and taking the steps to overcome them is not.

            Unfortunately, the Christian tradition of ethical theory, meditation, and contemplation, as well as the ascetic practices have really been washed out of the popular image. This is sad, because people never move beyond spiritual milk. Christ isn't just promising salvation from punishment, some sort of get out of jail free card. Christ is offering union with the divine, ecstatic theosis, to be one with God.

            Personally, I miss nothing of my old life. I do regret my old relationships because they were inauthentic, mere simulacrum of true love. But it took me a long time to even get here, and I am still in sin.

            As Saint Bonaventure puts it, the world is a ladder handed down by grace to us. We can choose to climb or we can stay consumed by created things.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            nta but do you have any books or material you recommend on this topic? You seem to strike at the core of the gospel and the sanctification process, something I dearly desire.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The most direct, shortest work might be Thomas Merton's The Inner Experience. It's not very long but gets at the contemplative element. Unfortunately, there isn't a huge focus on freedom. Saint John of the Cross's Dark Night of the Soul too, but it's less accessible and less theoretic (it's a spiritual guide for the already devote).

            For freedom, my favorite is actually not an explicitly Christian book. It's Wallace's Philosophical Mysticism in Plato and Hegel. However, Wallace's Plato almost seems to have more in common with the Patristic's version of Plato than Plato, and he mentions Christian authors quite a bit. It's a bit academic but fairly successful. It only goes into a sort of literature review slog in a few places and they are skippable (this is where he catalogs modern writers sort of early on and the Hegel chapter; I like Hegel, but the chapter gets into a lot of minutes, whereas the Plato chapters — most of them — are more practical).

            For a more mystical perspective, I really like William Harmless' Mystics. Harmless has a real gift for letting ancient and medieval writers speak in their own voice through careful excerpts while giving appropriate background. It's a good mix too, Merton, Saint Bernard of Clairvaux, Saint Bonneventure, Hildegard, Evargrius Pontus, Miester Eckhart, and then he also covers Rumi and Dogen as a Sufi/Zen comparative study. Harmless' books on Saint Augustine is also phenomenal, basically all the greatest hits compiled, as is his book on the Desert Fathers, although that is a bit more historical.

            Mystics seems out of print but it is on Libgen. So is Wallace who is unfortunately expensive because it is an academic publication.

            And then Light From Light is a good compilation with Origen, Augustine, Saint John of the Cross, Eckhart, etc. But less good intros.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Thank you anon, I'll note your suggestions down, may the Lord bless you.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Of course that list skews a bit Catholic/pre-split Western. There are some Greek writers I really like too: Saint Maximus, Saint Gregory of Nysa, Saint Denis being big ones. But they all lean a bit more theoretical.

            There are some Orthodox and Protestant writers as well, but I am less familiar with them.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No you just accept the water being poured on your head and say you love jesus and you're good

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I hereby repent.
      Now that I'm saved, time to goon to troony furry porn all week.

      • 1 month ago
        Radiochan

        Doesn't sound like you actually repented if you're going right back to your sins.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Oh so now you have to never sin ever again...

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yep they normalize the sin in order to escape guilt cycles

          • 1 month ago
            Radiochan

            it's not quite that
            you have to try not to sin
            actively choosing to "goon to troony furry porn" shows that you don't have the holy spirit within you
            you have to work on yourself as well to show the works of the holy spirit within you

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So the meta is "try not to goon to troony furry porn but fail"?

          • 1 month ago
            Radiochan

            just don't do it, you can very easily avoid it by not downloading it
            also, if you have repented, why would you want to continue sinning like that?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah that's a good question. Why do Christians sin? Doesn't make any sense tbh.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Presumably because Christians are human and so frick up and get tempted by things, just like other humans

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            You choose to curse, you choose to insult, you choose to commit adultery, and so on and so on. The one and only thing you arguably don't choose to do is wrongthink.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It is first thought followed by action. If you are a victim of "wrongthink" (addiction, trauma, etc. conditions of the mind) then the sins follow as actions. These conditions result from the actions of the world. That is why God always forgives. The purpose of the church is supposed to be to strengthen and give fellowship against our worse natures, but while the harvest is great, there are few prepared that know how to work the field. This means there are few equipped to help and lead and instead judge and hinder. This leads to the cycle of anger, apostasy, and either outright rejection of God or the misattributing God with evil.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >These conditions result from the actions of the world. That is why God always forgives.
            So gooning to furry troony porn is fine.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No. Even people who spend their time gooning don't like how they are controlled by their desires. I don't think anyone remotely familiar with the pornography industry would say it is "good" either.

            See:

            Christian moral teaching is only going to make sense in the context of a relationship with God.

            You don't start by understanding. As Saint Augustine puts it, we have faith so that we might understand. One can doubt if anything is good or true. Maybe you were switched at birth and your parents aren't your parents, etc. But it is impossible to understand anything if one sticks to radical skepticism. You don't learn physics by doubting everything in your textbook, and you don't grow in knowledge of the faith by refusing to engage with it.

            Conversion involves metanoia, a changing of the mind. One wants to know God, as all men naturally want to know (Aristotle's opening lines). It is wanting to know what is truly good, not just what seems good or what others say is good that allows us to transcend current belief, desire, circumstance, and instinct and become truly self determining (Plato). You can't be free if you're just an effect of other causes.

            Christianity is ultimately a religion of freedom. Romans 7 is probably the pound for pound most influential text for the philosophy of free will. There Saint Paul describes how he does what he hates and is ruled over by desire. He is dead in sin, not a biological death, but a death of any true autonomy and personhood. He is only resurrected by Christ, the Logos.

            For man can only be free if he knows why he acts, does what he thinks is good, and can know the true good.

            Metanoia is generally supported by ascetic practice, a sort of exercise to train the rational part of the soul to rule over the spirited and appetitive parts. To be self determining.

            Here is where moral discipline comes in at first. But the person is merely continent in Aristotle's terminology. They want vice but act virtuously because they want to know the true good and be free. It's only with illumination, knowledge of the Good, why God's law is what it is, that one enters the state of virtue where everything is easy.

            It's not about some simple binary. What Christ offers is an ascent, a bridge, divine union, theosis. God offers a deeper happiness, one that isn't contingent on mutable creatures that can always be lost. A transformation of the person, deeper, more loving relationships.

            Sin is its own punishment. People will be punished for their sins as justice requires. It is not our place to judge, we are to forgive everyone.

            Many theologians hypothesize a sort of universalism, a universal return of all created things (Saint Maximus, Eriugena). However, consider also that evil has no part in God. Evil is a privation, a lack of essence, failure to fulfill the human telos. So the question might not be so much "will something of all creatures return to God," but "how much?" A person marred by sin will have very little that can be compatible with God. Their relationship with God will be defined by the punishment justice demands — theirs is not a soul prepared for union. There will be those in the "outer darkness," where there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Even people who spend their time gooning don't like how they are controlled by their desires.
            I do, and even if I didn't, God forgives, so who gives a shit?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            yeah and israelites were the chosen people
            until they weren't because they refused to do what God asked of them constantly even though they could have just done wanted of them
            you can be forgiven, if you want to

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >until they weren't
            Matthew 23, Romans 11:1, Romans 1:16, Romans 3:1-2, Philippians 3:5.
            Repent or burn in hell.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw this was exactly what i was terrified of and exactly what i stole in school

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    A kid stole my arceus card in school. What's going to be his punishment?

    • 1 month ago
      Chud Anon

      He will be blessed for dabbing on a zoomer into nu-pokemon

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Ephesians 2:8-9
    >For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast.

    The Bible actually makes it clear in Ephesians that works (i.e. confession) have no bearing on salvation - which is mediated by faith which is completely pre-determined by God. If that's true, it doesn't matter what you sin/repent - what matters is how faithful you were made to begin with. Meaning you could be the man who repents more than any other in human history and STILL wind up damned. Food for thought.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      if you repent without faith in Christ dying for your sins yeah , which is why RC's rhetoric of combining works and grace (or at least engaging some needless and reckless over complicated system of salvation) will sadly get some devoted followers damned when they shouldn't have.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Being in hell is about your conscience tormenting you for when you knowingly went against what you thought was right.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So sociopaths don't go to hell huh?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Soure: I made it up cause the real hell is scary

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think that's how it works

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Looks like someones timeout is over.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Well maybe you shouldn't have stolen that Pikachu card, you little shit.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    This is actually the danger of being in a contract and bondage with this israeli entity. You are granting it permission to torture you forever if you forgot to repent for something. And it will.

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