I get it perfectly but the answer is considered racist as frick and relies on an old interpretation of Genesis involving fallen angels. I think the reason you and most people don't get it is because unless you take the understanding I took then it can not make sense.
>Woe unto us! who shall deliver us out of the hand of these mighty Gods? >these are the Gods that smote the Egyptians with all the plagues in the wilderness.
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=Long&q1=Gods
You know I have always wondered at the possibility that some angels who joined the fall were female. If there were then none are named specifically. I am also not familiar with any myths about Olympian goddesses coming down to mix their blood with mortals but I think there probably are some tales in that vein you could look to. Further, there are the Tuath Dé whose god ancestors were said to be of both genders. Your concerns about female representation are misplaced and you would see that once you grasped the vision which unifies all truth.
I'm seeing a lot of posts across the boards asking questions as if they just arrived on planet earth. Just after the ip counter removal. I think it's bots training themselves and learning. This OP asks a question about what is explained in the picture, but it doesn't understand it still.
They're all God, but they're different aspects of God and his actions. God, the Father rules over heaven. God, the Son, bore the cross for us to recieve His grace, and the Holy Spirit is His will manifest.
Isn't an aspect of God a part of God?
If Jesus Christ stood before you, you would be standing before the totality of the divine being. There is "one being in three persons", not divided in pieces amongst them.
>If Jesus Christ stood before you, you would be standing before the totality of the divine being.
So there are three totalities? >There is "one being in three persons", not divided in pieces amongst them.
If you're refering to hypostases, then I don't get why not counting three Gods.
>I don't get your point
My point is we're talking about identities, not arms and legs.To say that they are parts makes them not God, but the spiritual equivalent of an appendage or organ.
I've seen a Christian anon here saying exactly that Jesus was just a part of God, so I don't know how heretical is truly is anymore. At first, yes, I would see it as something very strange, but now I don't know what's strange anymore in Christianity.
2 months ago
Anonymous
It's because the Trinity is hard. What you just described is the heresy known as Partialism.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Not an actual heresy, it was made up for that St. Patrick video. I think the main opposition to the idea that the three persons are parts of God is that it would violate divine simplicity, because God isn't supposed to be able to be broken down into distinct pieces like a human body can be. But while divine simplicity is very popular, I don't think it's absolutely necessary to accept it in Catholicismnat least (someone correct me if I'm wrong).
Some modern theologians do describe the persons as parts of God, William Lane Craig for example, but he's fine with deviating from strict orthodoxy in other areas too, so his views are controversial. For example he's also a monothelite (Christ has one will) and a semi-Appolinarian (he says Christ's human nature is completed by his divinine nature, not the orthodox view that Christ has a conplete human nature and a conplete divine nature).
2 months ago
Anonymous
Fair enough. While I do disagree with calling them parts of God, the other two I'm more ambivalent about. It's possible that Jesus had one will, since it is very human to have conflicting desires, and he was human (it's also human to not want to be tortured to death). I have no strong feelings about his stance on Jesus's divine nature as my personal belief on the matter is Jesus was fully human and fully God, but how those two qualities interact is ultimately unknowable without asking him directly. I feel like a big flaw people have is needing an answer to something there isn't enough information to answer. My thoughts on the Trinity are mostly influenced by the opening of John.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Fair enough. While I do disagree with calling them parts of God, the other two I'm more ambivalent about. It's possible that Jesus had one will, since it is very human to have conflicting desires, and he was human (it's also human to not want to be tortured to death). I have no strong feelings about his stance on Jesus's divine nature as my personal belief on the matter is Jesus was fully human and fully God, but how those two qualities interact is ultimately unknowable without asking him directly. I feel like a big flaw people have is needing an answer to something there isn't enough information to answer. My thoughts on the Trinity are mostly influenced by the opening of John.
So what's your model for the Trinity, if the persons wouldn't be parts of God? I never could arrive at a coherent model for it.
2 months ago
Anonymous
They are all equally God. It's very tricky to explain, I don't know if I can put it into words without the explanation itself being accidentally heretical. I've never been good at getting my thoughts out in a clear, concise way. Nothing in the universe functions like God. It's like the theological equivalent of trying to picture a 4D object.
2 months ago
Anonymous
My problem is similar to yours. Any model I think of turns out to be heretical. For example, when you said "They are all equally God", I imagined three Gods. So I can't ever solve this and it's freaking me out.
you're looking at god from the abrahamic perspective or as in god being something outside of you, the christian perspective as in god, the son and holy spirit (the christian holy trinity)
I don't get your point here. So how are they not parts of God?
2 months ago
Anonymous
>My problem is similar to yours. Any model I think of turns out to be heretical. For example, when you said "They are all equally God", I imagined three Gods. So I can't ever solve this and it's freaking me out.
I believe God is understanding in this matter as long as we don't believe something heretical like the Trinity actually being three Gods or one is lesser than the other. Much like a 4D object, we can't actually describe it, just model it. This isn't what I believe, but it's the best I can explain it. Imagine creature with one head and three faces, each face has a separate personality, but their will, desires, and nature are the same, they're just expressed in different ways. If any one of these faces and its personality were removed, it would fundamentally change the creature into a different creature, much like how people with severe brain damage basically become different people.
Like I said though, this isn't completely accurate, just the best I can describe it.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Seems like a partialist model (because each face is a part of the creature's head), no? But I get that it's hard to word it without sounding heretical or something close to that.
2 months ago
Anonymous
That is one of the problems with the explanation, which is why I tend to be hesitant to give explanations. It's an approximation. I think God understand if we're a little wrong abbout this and is mostly fine with it as long as it doesn't get too heretical, like thinking there are three different gods or one is lesser than the other since we aren't really equipped to fully comprehend God's nature since nothing we know of in the universe shares it.
It’s three seperate circles overlapping each other perfectly and they make one single. They are not parts of God because each and everyone of them are 100 God, the overlapping circles are each 100 percent of the circle they make by overlapping each other.
There you have it Anon.
it’s just an anology.
What is hard to understand, they are the three simultaneously existing egos of God.
What are you? A human
Who are you? Your ego
What is your ego? A human, a human ego
What is God? God is God
Who is God? God is Father, Son, the Spirit at the same time.
Playing semantic games doesn't make the trinity real
2 months ago
Anonymous
If you’re an atheist yes but if you believe OT is true then trinity is real.
2 months ago
Anonymous
If you believe the OT is literally true, then there's no space to wiggle in the Trinity.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Trinity says angel of the lord is God, distinct from father, and the will be the messiah.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Sorry OT says
2 months ago
Anonymous
There is not a single verse in the Old Testament that directly states anything related to the Trinity, you revisionist Black person.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>there is no scotsman that directly puts sugar on his porridge
2 months ago
Anonymous
I can smell arabness from a mile in this reply.
2 months ago
Anonymous
you deny his statement ?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Does God talks about Imams in Quran? but you still have it, doesn't God say: keep up with Bible? yet you reject them. Doesn't Mohammad admit that he might be misguided? yet you take his word as inerrant.
what about these? I put up all these evidence and you want me to find a line exactly as this:
I am the Lord and behold my nature is threefold, I am a trinity of three persons and one being".
grow up.
2 months ago
Anonymous
No, semantic games have no bearing on reality; you are delusional
They're all God, but they're different aspects of God and his actions. God, the Father rules over heaven. God, the Son, bore the cross for us to recieve His grace, and the Holy Spirit is His will manifest.
If Jesus Christ stood before you, you would be standing before the totality of the divine being. There is "one being in three persons", not divided in pieces amongst them.
Hint: if it were both true and central, an all-knowing, all-loving and all-powerful god would make it unbelievably clear in the Bible, not vaguely hinted at in a handful of the most open to interpretation verses in the entire thing.
What if he does not care to let humans know his internal nature? He just wants you to worship him and be afraid of him and love him.
or maybe he did want us to find out on our own, which is easy by the way.
God does not speak in clear and succinct manner, Genesis is not a scientific description of every minute detail of creation because it would be futile because we will never comprehend his divine nature. Just be faithful and he will give you his grace.
the most absolutely essential requirement for being saved is to accept Jesus God the Son as your Lord and Saviour, the Son of God, and that he died for your sins and redeemed you, and leave by his commadments and partake in the sacraments. The rest will come to you on its own.
Then the trinity doesn't matter, and all the Christians seething and killing each other over it are going to hellarooni.
2 months ago
Anonymous
It matters because you have to believe Jesus is God, otherwise you're not saved.
remember, Jesus said he who is not with me is against me.
the blind man who is healed by Jesus says to the pharisees: he is a prophet, because he is scared the pharisees beat him if he says he is the Messiah, they kick him out.
Jesus appears to him again, he says to the man:
35 Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said: “Do you believe in the Son of Man?”
36 “Who is he, sir?” the man asked. “Tell me so that I may believe in him.”
37 Jesus said, “You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you.”
38 Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.
Most lines are parables for the future, that's what amazing about it, you are the blind man and you are sorrounded by pharisees that will hang you when you accept Jesus but once you will see, you will be worshipping him.
2 months ago
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>It matters because you have to believe Jesus is God, otherwise you're not saved.
Prove it. The verses you mentioned don't cut it at all.
>remember, Jesus said he who is not with me is against me.
Doesn't mean he's God; doesn't mean anyone who doesn't believe he is goes to hell.
>35-38
Same. Only proves that one person believes he's God.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I proved it a 100 times Mohammad but since you’re inbred 60IQ sandBlack person you don’t get it.
you're looking at god from the abrahamic perspective or as in god being something outside of you, the christian perspective as in god, the son and holy spirit (the christian holy trinity)
It’s made up bullshit that is deliberately confusing so it reminds all the peasants that they are too stupid to understand da misstuhree and that they should blindly follow authority
This, like a lot of things at the time was made up in a committee in the 300s or sometime around then, probably made up of people who didn't even have the Holy Spirit, to bring the hammer of unity down and get Christians to all agree and stop arguing. The first step in understanding would be to do what the disciples of Jesus did: be baptized and receive the Holy Spirit. And even then, revelation comes drip by drip, every once in a while, but once you have it, you know and understand. Humans are vessels. Just like someone can be possessed by a demon, they can be possessed by God (the original intended use of the vessel function.) Jesus was a man like Adam was before the fall.
"If anyone speaks, let it be the very utterance of God." So, if you were talking to Him, you were talking to God pretty much.
Because each in their totally are God and the same God, coming from the same essence. To be part of something requires that that thing be made up of parts like a Lego set or something. Since God is Indivisibly One, that’s impossible, therefore the persons are not parts. All three are the One God. God Bless.
I get it perfectly but the answer is considered racist as frick and relies on an old interpretation of Genesis involving fallen angels. I think the reason you and most people don't get it is because unless you take the understanding I took then it can not make sense.
I don't get how the OP is not mentally ill.
>I don't get how the OP is not mentally ill.
Godcucks just are.
But they are. See the video that
posted, for example.
I was on that thread and am starting to think this makes sense, but I don't know how heretical it is...
The Father is The Mother and The Son is The Daughter and The Holy Spirit is The Holy Ghost.
For it's one, two, three strikes, you're out, At the old ball game.
>The Father is The Mother and The Son is The Daughter
God is Satan (OP's pic Centre)
Christians hate women. They are misogynistic.
They hate the Holy Ghost also.
why do you talk about the holy spirit like it doesn't dwell in all of God's people regardless of gender?
jesus christ! they're hot as frick.
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=Long&q1=Goddess
Cheers!
>they're just not, ok?!
>Woe unto us! who shall deliver us out of the hand of these mighty Gods?
>these are the Gods that smote the Egyptians with all the plagues in the wilderness.
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/kjv-idx?type=Long&q1=Gods
All praise to the Goddesses and Gods
You know I have always wondered at the possibility that some angels who joined the fall were female. If there were then none are named specifically. I am also not familiar with any myths about Olympian goddesses coming down to mix their blood with mortals but I think there probably are some tales in that vein you could look to. Further, there are the Tuath Dé whose god ancestors were said to be of both genders. Your concerns about female representation are misplaced and you would see that once you grasped the vision which unifies all truth.
The closest I can think of is the fake Hera made by Zeus who got fricked by Ixion and birthed the ancestor of the centaurs.
Seriously, how insane is all this mental illness? You can't make this shit up!
Not pagan btw
Are you, you? Or are you a part of you?
OP's a bot.
I'm seeing a lot of posts across the boards asking questions as if they just arrived on planet earth. Just after the ip counter removal. I think it's bots training themselves and learning. This OP asks a question about what is explained in the picture, but it doesn't understand it still.
I don't get your point
Isn't an aspect of God a part of God?
>If Jesus Christ stood before you, you would be standing before the totality of the divine being.
So there are three totalities?
>There is "one being in three persons", not divided in pieces amongst them.
If you're refering to hypostases, then I don't get why not counting three Gods.
>So there are three totalities?
No.
>If you're refering to hypostases, then I don't get why not counting three Gods.
Because there is one God.
Jesus is one totality. The Father is another. The Holy Spirit is another.
>I don't get your point
My point is we're talking about identities, not arms and legs.To say that they are parts makes them not God, but the spiritual equivalent of an appendage or organ.
I've seen a Christian anon here saying exactly that Jesus was just a part of God, so I don't know how heretical is truly is anymore. At first, yes, I would see it as something very strange, but now I don't know what's strange anymore in Christianity.
It's because the Trinity is hard. What you just described is the heresy known as Partialism.
Not an actual heresy, it was made up for that St. Patrick video. I think the main opposition to the idea that the three persons are parts of God is that it would violate divine simplicity, because God isn't supposed to be able to be broken down into distinct pieces like a human body can be. But while divine simplicity is very popular, I don't think it's absolutely necessary to accept it in Catholicismnat least (someone correct me if I'm wrong).
Some modern theologians do describe the persons as parts of God, William Lane Craig for example, but he's fine with deviating from strict orthodoxy in other areas too, so his views are controversial. For example he's also a monothelite (Christ has one will) and a semi-Appolinarian (he says Christ's human nature is completed by his divinine nature, not the orthodox view that Christ has a conplete human nature and a conplete divine nature).
Fair enough. While I do disagree with calling them parts of God, the other two I'm more ambivalent about. It's possible that Jesus had one will, since it is very human to have conflicting desires, and he was human (it's also human to not want to be tortured to death). I have no strong feelings about his stance on Jesus's divine nature as my personal belief on the matter is Jesus was fully human and fully God, but how those two qualities interact is ultimately unknowable without asking him directly. I feel like a big flaw people have is needing an answer to something there isn't enough information to answer. My thoughts on the Trinity are mostly influenced by the opening of John.
So what's your model for the Trinity, if the persons wouldn't be parts of God? I never could arrive at a coherent model for it.
They are all equally God. It's very tricky to explain, I don't know if I can put it into words without the explanation itself being accidentally heretical. I've never been good at getting my thoughts out in a clear, concise way. Nothing in the universe functions like God. It's like the theological equivalent of trying to picture a 4D object.
My problem is similar to yours. Any model I think of turns out to be heretical. For example, when you said "They are all equally God", I imagined three Gods. So I can't ever solve this and it's freaking me out.
I don't get your point here. So how are they not parts of God?
>My problem is similar to yours. Any model I think of turns out to be heretical. For example, when you said "They are all equally God", I imagined three Gods. So I can't ever solve this and it's freaking me out.
I believe God is understanding in this matter as long as we don't believe something heretical like the Trinity actually being three Gods or one is lesser than the other. Much like a 4D object, we can't actually describe it, just model it. This isn't what I believe, but it's the best I can explain it. Imagine creature with one head and three faces, each face has a separate personality, but their will, desires, and nature are the same, they're just expressed in different ways. If any one of these faces and its personality were removed, it would fundamentally change the creature into a different creature, much like how people with severe brain damage basically become different people.
Like I said though, this isn't completely accurate, just the best I can describe it.
Seems like a partialist model (because each face is a part of the creature's head), no? But I get that it's hard to word it without sounding heretical or something close to that.
That is one of the problems with the explanation, which is why I tend to be hesitant to give explanations. It's an approximation. I think God understand if we're a little wrong abbout this and is mostly fine with it as long as it doesn't get too heretical, like thinking there are three different gods or one is lesser than the other since we aren't really equipped to fully comprehend God's nature since nothing we know of in the universe shares it.
It’s three seperate circles overlapping each other perfectly and they make one single. They are not parts of God because each and everyone of them are 100 God, the overlapping circles are each 100 percent of the circle they make by overlapping each other.
There you have it Anon.
>it's three differnt gods that overlap to create god
it’s just an anology.
What is hard to understand, they are the three simultaneously existing egos of God.
What are you? A human
Who are you? Your ego
What is your ego? A human, a human ego
What is God? God is God
Who is God? God is Father, Son, the Spirit at the same time.
Playing semantic games doesn't make the trinity real
If you’re an atheist yes but if you believe OT is true then trinity is real.
If you believe the OT is literally true, then there's no space to wiggle in the Trinity.
Trinity says angel of the lord is God, distinct from father, and the will be the messiah.
Sorry OT says
There is not a single verse in the Old Testament that directly states anything related to the Trinity, you revisionist Black person.
>there is no scotsman that directly puts sugar on his porridge
I can smell arabness from a mile in this reply.
you deny his statement ?
Does God talks about Imams in Quran? but you still have it, doesn't God say: keep up with Bible? yet you reject them. Doesn't Mohammad admit that he might be misguided? yet you take his word as inerrant.
what about these? I put up all these evidence and you want me to find a line exactly as this:
I am the Lord and behold my nature is threefold, I am a trinity of three persons and one being".
grow up.
No, semantic games have no bearing on reality; you are delusional
The trinity is anti-logic.
They're all God, but they're different aspects of God and his actions. God, the Father rules over heaven. God, the Son, bore the cross for us to recieve His grace, and the Holy Spirit is His will manifest.
If Jesus Christ stood before you, you would be standing before the totality of the divine being. There is "one being in three persons", not divided in pieces amongst them.
Is the trinity even canon?
Yes.
Yes
No
Hint: if it were both true and central, an all-knowing, all-loving and all-powerful god would make it unbelievably clear in the Bible, not vaguely hinted at in a handful of the most open to interpretation verses in the entire thing.
What if he does not care to let humans know his internal nature? He just wants you to worship him and be afraid of him and love him.
or maybe he did want us to find out on our own, which is easy by the way.
God does not speak in clear and succinct manner, Genesis is not a scientific description of every minute detail of creation because it would be futile because we will never comprehend his divine nature. Just be faithful and he will give you his grace.
the most absolutely essential requirement for being saved is to accept Jesus God the Son as your Lord and Saviour, the Son of God, and that he died for your sins and redeemed you, and leave by his commadments and partake in the sacraments. The rest will come to you on its own.
*live
Then the trinity doesn't matter, and all the Christians seething and killing each other over it are going to hellarooni.
It matters because you have to believe Jesus is God, otherwise you're not saved.
remember, Jesus said he who is not with me is against me.
the blind man who is healed by Jesus says to the pharisees: he is a prophet, because he is scared the pharisees beat him if he says he is the Messiah, they kick him out.
Jesus appears to him again, he says to the man:
35 Jesus heard that they had thrown him out, and when he found him, he said: “Do you believe in the Son of Man?”
36 “Who is he, sir?” the man asked. “Tell me so that I may believe in him.”
37 Jesus said, “You have now seen him; in fact, he is the one speaking with you.”
38 Then the man said, “Lord, I believe,” and he worshiped him.
Most lines are parables for the future, that's what amazing about it, you are the blind man and you are sorrounded by pharisees that will hang you when you accept Jesus but once you will see, you will be worshipping him.
>It matters because you have to believe Jesus is God, otherwise you're not saved.
Prove it. The verses you mentioned don't cut it at all.
>remember, Jesus said he who is not with me is against me.
Doesn't mean he's God; doesn't mean anyone who doesn't believe he is goes to hell.
>35-38
Same. Only proves that one person believes he's God.
I proved it a 100 times Mohammad but since you’re inbred 60IQ sandBlack person you don’t get it.
you're looking at god from the abrahamic perspective or as in god being something outside of you, the christian perspective as in god, the son and holy spirit (the christian holy trinity)
It’s made up bullshit that is deliberately confusing so it reminds all the peasants that they are too stupid to understand da misstuhree and that they should blindly follow authority
This, like a lot of things at the time was made up in a committee in the 300s or sometime around then, probably made up of people who didn't even have the Holy Spirit, to bring the hammer of unity down and get Christians to all agree and stop arguing. The first step in understanding would be to do what the disciples of Jesus did: be baptized and receive the Holy Spirit. And even then, revelation comes drip by drip, every once in a while, but once you have it, you know and understand. Humans are vessels. Just like someone can be possessed by a demon, they can be possessed by God (the original intended use of the vessel function.) Jesus was a man like Adam was before the fall.
"If anyone speaks, let it be the very utterance of God." So, if you were talking to Him, you were talking to God pretty much.
Because each in their totally are God and the same God, coming from the same essence. To be part of something requires that that thing be made up of parts like a Lego set or something. Since God is Indivisibly One, that’s impossible, therefore the persons are not parts. All three are the One God. God Bless.