in truth no. the last article revealed that the Anatolian languages descend from the true PIE, CLV.
then>CLV>PIA and PIE.
The ancestor of Urheimat is CLV which is divided into Anatolian and PIE (Yamnaya).
This basically changes nothing about what I said. especially in Anatolia, the fact that they are not very different actually gives me a base.
Yamnaya spread all non-amatolian "Proto-Indo-European-Anatolian languages", CWC didnt. Yamnaya and Anatolians both descend from CLV so CLV urheimat
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The Yamnaya could not have spread “all” IE languages at all, since it is not the ancestor of most Europeans; this was done by the early CWC, similar to the Yamnaya.
Progress was roughly half EHG, half CHG. But those are irrelevant labels as CHG was a southern population and the steppe cline goes from Progress to EHG.
R1b is an EHG line.
rather, the EHG migrated to the northern Caucasus to create the CVL, then moved back to the steppe and gave rise to the Yamnaya/early CWC.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
read my comment again, moronic
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Calm down animal, Yamnaya could not spread all IE languages in Europe.
What do you not understand?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
you're the damn one saying obvious things unrelated to my comment
write better about ANE, moron, lmao
You again
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>you're the damn one saying obvious things unrelated to my comment
then what's the reason your ass is burning?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
CWC didn't spread all of the IE languages in Europe either, so that's a dumb argument.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The CWC spread literally every IE language in Europe except Proto-Greek and Proto-Illyrian (Yamnaya did this).
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
using scarecrow again you bastard? I never said that.
most yes, not all. but that's irrelevant to my argument, by the way.
You're completely clueless and treat this as some sort of moronic competition. Stop being a child. Both Yamnaya and Corded Ware descended from Sredni Stog. Sredni Stog was formed when migrants from Volga came to Ukraine and after some time largely replaced the earlier Dnieper Donets ancestry.
Yamnaya definitely contributed to paleo-Balkan people (like Albanians, Greeks and the extinct ones like Illyrians, Thracians and so on). Also probably to Armenians.
I didn't ask you anything, but the conclusion you reach in your comment is:
The ancestor of Urheimat is CLV which is divided into Anatolian and PIE (Yamnaya). that simple. the fact that yamnaya spread some (not the majority like the CWC) doesn't change anything. Thank you so much
Ironically, the first CWCs had R1b and 95% genetic proximity to yamnaya
And even so, Europeans are kind of mongrels EEF
in Europe the first ISIS (yamnaya) mixed with farmers, that's how the CWC was born, you missed it here and in the other day's topic.
no, the early CWC has a mix of forest-steppe hunter gatherers
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
PIE is Sredni Stog, it predates Yamnaya and Sredni Stog is ancestral to both Yamnaya and Corded Ware.
CLV were hunter gatherers who most likely spoke a proto-Indo-European language and spread it North to form Khvalynsk. At some point they became pastoralists, spread West and formed Sredni Stog.
Yamnaya is thousands of years later.
Khvalynsk Eneolithic had a rather low CHG, he was not some kind of southern migrant.
In addition, the Uralic languages penetrated into Europe literally in IA, you have to be delusional to drag them in.
There are multiple Khvalynsk samples now. It seems like you haven't read the most recent paper about the origin of IE languages. There are 30-50 samples from Khvalynsk now.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>There are multiple Khvalynsk samples now.
source?
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
the moron contradicts himself twice. and he's still arrogant haha
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Khvalynsk and SS were EHG, CLV(progress) formed Yamnaya and early CWC.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
They weren't. They had mixed ancestry.
[...]
yamnaya is contemporary with the CWC, dates differ by 100-50 years, which is within the margin of error of carbon dating, but the CWC area has Indo-European cultures from much earlier: Kvalinskh, Srendy stog, suvorove, yamnaya is baby compared to those so it is safe to assume that yamnaya is CWC raped baby
[...]
Yamnaya is older than Corded Ware. At least 300 years older. And before that there's Repin which is culturally closer to Yamnaya than to CWC. I don't know what you're even talking about and how are all those other cultures even relate to CWC.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
early Sredny Stog was EHG.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
What is your point lmao
[...]
[...]
[...]
the yamnaya were migrant cuckoos in Ukraine, they never achieved anything, they were just mongrels of the Indo-European EHG and other rubbish,
so they:
1- Language did not originate
2- they were not CWC (those who really achieved something)
3-your cuck ydna is extinct and only exists in Armenian troons
4- they were hunted and exterminated like wienerroaches by srubnaya
, therefore yamnaya is irrelevant,
Ok kid
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Sredny was not a direct ancestor of the Yamnaya, but perhaps he gave birth to CVL(progress) from which the Yamnaya descended directly.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
It was mixed. The migrants from the East did not replaced all local ancestry. That seem to happen later.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
They are 95% the same and Yamnaya exists before anything CW.
PIE is Sredni Stog, it predates Yamnaya and Sredni Stog is ancestral to both Yamnaya and Corded Ware.
CLV were hunter gatherers who most likely spoke a proto-Indo-European language and spread it North to form Khvalynsk. At some point they became pastoralists, spread West and formed Sredni Stog.
Yamnaya is thousands of years later.
[...]
There are multiple Khvalynsk samples now. It seems like you haven't read the most recent paper about the origin of IE languages. There are 30-50 samples from Khvalynsk now.
again... you paying attention to the yamnaya? The literally the proto-gypsiez
the yamnaya were migrant cuckoos in Ukraine, they never achieved anything, they were just mongrels of the Indo-European EHG and other rubbish,
so they:
1- Language did not originate
2- they were not CWC (those who really achieved something)
3-your cuck ydna is extinct and only exists in Armenian troons
4- they were hunted and exterminated like wienerroaches by srubnaya
, therefore yamnaya is irrelevant,
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
yamnaya were only 50% srendy stog mutts, basically no Indoeuropeans
I'm not sure what the point of lying is, they all look the same.
to finish off the 12-year-old boy; I'm not sure what Corded Ware sharing IBD segments with other Corded has to do with the close relationship between him and Yamnaya. In fact, this reinforces the accuracy of the method
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
We have stog samples identical to Yamnaya/first CW/Afanasievo
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
yamnaya were only 50% srendy stog mutts, basically no Indoeuropeans
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>R1b is an EHG line
This is not about haplogroups. WHG also had R1b. It's irrelevant. Indo-European is a recent language, it's not something that goes back to times of ANE and Northern CHG or Baltic HGs almost certainly didn't speak it.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I think it was spoken by EHG from the Pontic–Caspian steppe (such as Samara HG).
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Maybe, but probably not. There's this theory that PIE came from mixing between northern groups who spoke Eurasiatic languages similar to Uralic and southern groups speaking Caucasian language. It fits pretty well with our model.
Khvalynsk as a culture formed when southern migrants moved North. This is why the ancestry is called Caucasus-Lower Volga.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Khvalynsk Eneolithic had a rather low CHG, he was not some kind of southern migrant.
In addition, the Uralic languages penetrated into Europe literally in IA, you have to be delusional to drag them in.
Progress was roughly half EHG, half CHG. But those are irrelevant labels as CHG was a southern population and the steppe cline goes from Progress to EHG.
Read the new paper.
Anatolian languages= PIA
not PIE..
The "real" PIE, may be SS or even CLV
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
in Anatolia and the southern Caucasus there is Yamnaya Ydna.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
How exactly is this missing something? especially the linguistic issue? Anyway, the Anatolians have less steppe ancestry than the Greeks (yes. less than 15%). the presence of r1b does not reach 20% among them. some basic words in Anatolian, like pai are so different from other IE languages that it's comical.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
I wouldn't be surprised if R1b in modern Turks is from Armenians, not from Hittites or other Anatolians. I think it's Z2103, like the Armenian branch.
the reason you call CWC the source of EI is their agricultural mix, which makes them more related to modern Europeans. Cope
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Every culture that derived from CLV was Indo-European.
They have additional admixture from hunter-gatherers that they absorbed from the steppe.
They are the source of IE. What is cope? It is what it is. Sorry if you wanted yamnaya to be the source of something. They were loser mongrels, destroyed by srubnaya. In fact, EHG is the source of IE
Actually, half of all IE languages in Europe, came from CWC. Not yambugya.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
You're completely clueless and treat this as some sort of moronic competition. Stop being a child. Both Yamnaya and Corded Ware descended from Sredni Stog. Sredni Stog was formed when migrants from Volga came to Ukraine and after some time largely replaced the earlier Dnieper Donets ancestry.
Yamnaya definitely contributed to paleo-Balkan people (like Albanians, Greeks and the extinct ones like Illyrians, Thracians and so on). Also probably to Armenians.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Ironically, the first CWCs had R1b and 95% genetic proximity to yamnaya
And even so, Europeans are kind of mongrels EEF
in Europe the first ISIS (yamnaya) mixed with farmers, that's how the CWC was born, you missed it here and in the other day's topic.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
PIE is Sredni Stog, it predates Yamnaya and Sredni Stog is ancestral to both Yamnaya and Corded Ware.
CLV were hunter gatherers who most likely spoke a proto-Indo-European language and spread it North to form Khvalynsk. At some point they became pastoralists, spread West and formed Sredni Stog.
Yamnaya is thousands of years later.
[...]
There are multiple Khvalynsk samples now. It seems like you haven't read the most recent paper about the origin of IE languages. There are 30-50 samples from Khvalynsk now.
yamnaya is contemporary with the CWC, dates differ by 100-50 years, which is within the margin of error of carbon dating, but the CWC area has Indo-European cultures from much earlier: Kvalinskh, Srendy stog, suvorove, yamnaya is baby compared to those so it is safe to assume that yamnaya is CWC raped baby
why "cope"?Yamnata was not IE, CWC was
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
They are 95% the same and Yamnaya exists before anything CW.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
like srendy stog,
this is just ibd sharing, confirms that yamnaya is descended from CWC males into Bantu females
PNL001 and Yamnaya were contemporaries, they were both R1b, had high CHG and low EEF, I think their common root is in the progress eneolithic.
By the way, progress is also R1b.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
They have different subclades. It's now obvious that looking for homeland of different subclades is pointless as many of them experienced extremely strong founder effects.
So Progress and Khvalynsk were majority V1636, Yamnaya Z2103 with minor I-L699 which seem to dominate in Dnieper Donets and later Sredni Stog.
Early CWC were L51, but later mostly M417 while L51 expanded with Beakers.
>There are multiple Khvalynsk samples now.
source?
The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
It's the title.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans >It's the title.
give me some samples of Khvalynsk for G25.
there is no European without eef. therefore, I reject your accusation of mongrel. It's like saying that all Japanese people are Jomon mongrels. or all Native Americans were ANE mutts.
eef = gobekli tepe, cataloyuk, vinca and so on. a very noble heritage. reminder that they were enslaving steppe people until shit happened. and the whole matriarchy versus patriarchy narrative is completely moronic.
I must say, the EEF won, again.
Remember when the israelites spent years shitting on Yamnaya only to find out Yamnaya pretty much didn't contribute to anything genetically en europe? That was a good one.
>Yamnaya was Slavic
What evidence is there for such claims? You see it said around here but no one ever posts shit to back it up. Seems obvious they were CWC.
Okay and?
Do we call your ancestors the proto-stinky nubian satan's spawn Egyptian slave culture B? Or do we call them israelites?
How would you feel when I start calling your ancestors proto-stinky nubian satan's spawn Egyptian slave culture B?
Fricking butthole.
Call people what they are.
Have some respect, of course you don't have that, fricking satan's spawn.
>"Almost all samples modelled primarily as Corded Ware, Bell Beaker and Yamnaya-related ancestry fall within the regions prescribed to each culture in the archaeological literature (Figure 4)"
No
Yamanya was not slavic.
Fake map, btw
although I look like a Yamnaya.
Yamnaya is more likely Proto-Greek and Proto-Illyrian, as well as Anatolian.
in truth no. the last article revealed that the Anatolian languages descend from the true PIE, CLV.
then>CLV>PIA and PIE.
The ancestor of Urheimat is CLV which is divided into Anatolian and PIE (Yamnaya).
progress neolithic was predominantly EHG, and deferred little from the later Yamnaya.
This basically changes nothing about what I said. especially in Anatolia, the fact that they are not very different actually gives me a base.
Yamnaya spread all non-amatolian "Proto-Indo-European-Anatolian languages", CWC didnt. Yamnaya and Anatolians both descend from CLV so CLV urheimat
The Yamnaya could not have spread “all” IE languages at all, since it is not the ancestor of most Europeans; this was done by the early CWC, similar to the Yamnaya.
R1b is an EHG line.
rather, the EHG migrated to the northern Caucasus to create the CVL, then moved back to the steppe and gave rise to the Yamnaya/early CWC.
read my comment again, moronic
Calm down animal, Yamnaya could not spread all IE languages in Europe.
What do you not understand?
you're the damn one saying obvious things unrelated to my comment
You again
>you're the damn one saying obvious things unrelated to my comment
then what's the reason your ass is burning?
CWC didn't spread all of the IE languages in Europe either, so that's a dumb argument.
The CWC spread literally every IE language in Europe except Proto-Greek and Proto-Illyrian (Yamnaya did this).
using scarecrow again you bastard? I never said that.
most yes, not all. but that's irrelevant to my argument, by the way.
I didn't ask you anything, but the conclusion you reach in your comment is:
The ancestor of Urheimat is CLV which is divided into Anatolian and PIE (Yamnaya). that simple. the fact that yamnaya spread some (not the majority like the CWC) doesn't change anything. Thank you so much
no, the early CWC has a mix of forest-steppe hunter gatherers
PIE is Sredni Stog, it predates Yamnaya and Sredni Stog is ancestral to both Yamnaya and Corded Ware.
CLV were hunter gatherers who most likely spoke a proto-Indo-European language and spread it North to form Khvalynsk. At some point they became pastoralists, spread West and formed Sredni Stog.
Yamnaya is thousands of years later.
There are multiple Khvalynsk samples now. It seems like you haven't read the most recent paper about the origin of IE languages. There are 30-50 samples from Khvalynsk now.
>There are multiple Khvalynsk samples now.
source?
the moron contradicts himself twice. and he's still arrogant haha
Khvalynsk and SS were EHG, CLV(progress) formed Yamnaya and early CWC.
They weren't. They had mixed ancestry.
Yamnaya is older than Corded Ware. At least 300 years older. And before that there's Repin which is culturally closer to Yamnaya than to CWC. I don't know what you're even talking about and how are all those other cultures even relate to CWC.
early Sredny Stog was EHG.
What is your point lmao
Ok kid
Sredny was not a direct ancestor of the Yamnaya, but perhaps he gave birth to CVL(progress) from which the Yamnaya descended directly.
It was mixed. The migrants from the East did not replaced all local ancestry. That seem to happen later.
the yamnaya were migrant cuckoos in Ukraine, they never achieved anything, they were just mongrels of the Indo-European EHG and other rubbish,
so they:
1- Language did not originate
2- they were not CWC (those who really achieved something)
3-your cuck ydna is extinct and only exists in Armenian troons
4- they were hunted and exterminated like wienerroaches by srubnaya
, therefore yamnaya is irrelevant,
I'm not sure what the point of lying is, they all look the same.
to finish off the 12-year-old boy; I'm not sure what Corded Ware sharing IBD segments with other Corded has to do with the close relationship between him and Yamnaya. In fact, this reinforces the accuracy of the method
We have stog samples identical to Yamnaya/first CW/Afanasievo
yamnaya were only 50% srendy stog mutts, basically no Indoeuropeans
>R1b is an EHG line
This is not about haplogroups. WHG also had R1b. It's irrelevant. Indo-European is a recent language, it's not something that goes back to times of ANE and Northern CHG or Baltic HGs almost certainly didn't speak it.
I think it was spoken by EHG from the Pontic–Caspian steppe (such as Samara HG).
Maybe, but probably not. There's this theory that PIE came from mixing between northern groups who spoke Eurasiatic languages similar to Uralic and southern groups speaking Caucasian language. It fits pretty well with our model.
Khvalynsk as a culture formed when southern migrants moved North. This is why the ancestry is called Caucasus-Lower Volga.
Khvalynsk Eneolithic had a rather low CHG, he was not some kind of southern migrant.
In addition, the Uralic languages penetrated into Europe literally in IA, you have to be delusional to drag them in.
write better about ANE, moron, lmao
Progress was roughly half EHG, half CHG. But those are irrelevant labels as CHG was a southern population and the steppe cline goes from Progress to EHG.
>Yamnaya
>Anatolian
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolian_languages
Read the new paper.
Anatolian languages= PIA
not PIE..
The "real" PIE, may be SS or even CLV
in Anatolia and the southern Caucasus there is Yamnaya Ydna.
How exactly is this missing something? especially the linguistic issue? Anyway, the Anatolians have less steppe ancestry than the Greeks (yes. less than 15%). the presence of r1b does not reach 20% among them. some basic words in Anatolian, like pai are so different from other IE languages that it's comical.
I wouldn't be surprised if R1b in modern Turks is from Armenians, not from Hittites or other Anatolians. I think it's Z2103, like the Armenian branch.
Yamnaya is not PIE and your map only includes linguistics borders**** not "racial borders"
Yamnaya is not PIE, but one of the most ancient IE groups.
Still no unifying Celtic DNA. They were just a culture system.
the worm again with this '"there are no Celts dude" spam.
Ok? What you mean dude
Cope
>Ok? What you mean dude
I have a high CHG, but I'm not the average Slav.
why "cope"?Yamnata was not IE, CWC was
Every culture that derived from CLV was Indo-European.
the reason you call CWC the source of EI is their agricultural mix, which makes them more related to modern Europeans. Cope
They have additional admixture from hunter-gatherers that they absorbed from the steppe.
They are the source of IE. What is cope? It is what it is. Sorry if you wanted yamnaya to be the source of something. They were loser mongrels, destroyed by srubnaya. In fact, EHG is the source of IE
Actually, half of all IE languages in Europe, came from CWC. Not yambugya.
You're completely clueless and treat this as some sort of moronic competition. Stop being a child. Both Yamnaya and Corded Ware descended from Sredni Stog. Sredni Stog was formed when migrants from Volga came to Ukraine and after some time largely replaced the earlier Dnieper Donets ancestry.
Yamnaya definitely contributed to paleo-Balkan people (like Albanians, Greeks and the extinct ones like Illyrians, Thracians and so on). Also probably to Armenians.
Ironically, the first CWCs had R1b and 95% genetic proximity to yamnaya
And even so, Europeans are kind of mongrels EEF
in Europe the first ISIS (yamnaya) mixed with farmers, that's how the CWC was born, you missed it here and in the other day's topic.
yamnaya is contemporary with the CWC, dates differ by 100-50 years, which is within the margin of error of carbon dating, but the CWC area has Indo-European cultures from much earlier: Kvalinskh, Srendy stog, suvorove, yamnaya is baby compared to those so it is safe to assume that yamnaya is CWC raped baby
They are 95% the same and Yamnaya exists before anything CW.
like srendy stog,
this is just ibd sharing, confirms that yamnaya is descended from CWC males into Bantu females
Target: Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
Distance: 3.8116% / 0.03811552
99.8 Poland_CordedWare.SG
0.2 Somali
PNL001 and Yamnaya were contemporaries, they were both R1b, had high CHG and low EEF, I think their common root is in the progress eneolithic.
By the way, progress is also R1b.
They have different subclades. It's now obvious that looking for homeland of different subclades is pointless as many of them experienced extremely strong founder effects.
So Progress and Khvalynsk were majority V1636, Yamnaya Z2103 with minor I-L699 which seem to dominate in Dnieper Donets and later Sredni Stog.
Early CWC were L51, but later mostly M417 while L51 expanded with Beakers.
The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
It's the title.
>The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
>It's the title.
give me some samples of Khvalynsk for G25.
I don't think the data is out.
again... you paying attention to the yamnaya? The literally the proto-gypsiez
there is no European without eef. therefore, I reject your accusation of mongrel. It's like saying that all Japanese people are Jomon mongrels. or all Native Americans were ANE mutts.
eef = gobekli tepe, cataloyuk, vinca and so on. a very noble heritage. reminder that they were enslaving steppe people until shit happened. and the whole matriarchy versus patriarchy narrative is completely moronic.
I must say, the EEF won, again.
Remember when the israelites spent years shitting on Yamnaya only to find out Yamnaya pretty much didn't contribute to anything genetically en europe? That was a good one.
Nice map.
HD?!
Daily autocope thread
Imagine not being I1
Hello fellow I1 cultured invidual
Literally can't stop winning
Haplo-autism
Seek help
Very sad reply
Remember you can't change yours, deal with it and what you are
neither bell beakers or celt were a people.
Bell beakers is a type of pottery.
Trvke, I mean the Steppeized BBC, NOT not the original EEF ones.
Battle Axe Culture may have been CWC but Germanics are Bell Beaker as well. Everything points to (possibly multiple) Bell Beaker shifts away from CWC.
>but Germanics are Bell Beaker as well.
According to your delusional headcanon.
>Yamnaya was Slavic
What evidence is there for such claims? You see it said around here but no one ever posts shit to back it up. Seems obvious they were CWC.
Cope, slavgrel. You are a Yamnaya easterling unlike us Corded Germs
None of these terms have any historical meaning or relevance whatsoever
-ACK!
Okay and?
Do we call your ancestors the proto-stinky nubian satan's spawn Egyptian slave culture B? Or do we call them israelites?
How would you feel when I start calling your ancestors proto-stinky nubian satan's spawn Egyptian slave culture B?
Fricking butthole.
Call people what they are.
Have some respect, of course you don't have that, fricking satan's spawn.
Josephine, relax and take your hrt.
https://www.youtube.com/live/q0CV0sh7wGQ?si=3p3jVyYyVV6Uy7la
Got it from this video.
At 1:30:30
You are my hero
Study link?
HD map please?
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.13.584607v1
>"Almost all samples modelled primarily as Corded Ware, Bell Beaker and Yamnaya-related ancestry fall within the regions prescribed to each culture in the archaeological literature (Figure 4)"
OOOOOOFFFFFF
Target: RUS_Golubaya_Krinitsa_N
Distance: 2.8541% / 0.02854142
45.8 RUS_Sidelkino_HG
29.8 UKR_Meso
24.4 GEO_Kotias_Klde_Meso