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Fact: Celts were Bell Beakers, Corded Ware was Germanic, Yamnaya was Slavic.

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    No
    Yamanya was not slavic.
    Fake map, btw

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      although I look like a Yamnaya.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yamnaya is more likely Proto-Greek and Proto-Illyrian, as well as Anatolian.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      in truth no. the last article revealed that the Anatolian languages descend from the true PIE, CLV.
      then>CLV>PIA and PIE.
      The ancestor of Urheimat is CLV which is divided into Anatolian and PIE (Yamnaya).

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        progress neolithic was predominantly EHG, and deferred little from the later Yamnaya.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          This basically changes nothing about what I said. especially in Anatolia, the fact that they are not very different actually gives me a base.
          Yamnaya spread all non-amatolian "Proto-Indo-European-Anatolian languages", CWC didnt. Yamnaya and Anatolians both descend from CLV so CLV urheimat

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The Yamnaya could not have spread “all” IE languages at all, since it is not the ancestor of most Europeans; this was done by the early CWC, similar to the Yamnaya.

            Progress was roughly half EHG, half CHG. But those are irrelevant labels as CHG was a southern population and the steppe cline goes from Progress to EHG.

            R1b is an EHG line.
            rather, the EHG migrated to the northern Caucasus to create the CVL, then moved back to the steppe and gave rise to the Yamnaya/early CWC.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            read my comment again, moronic

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Calm down animal, Yamnaya could not spread all IE languages in Europe.
            What do you not understand?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            you're the damn one saying obvious things unrelated to my comment

            write better about ANE, moron, lmao

            You again

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >you're the damn one saying obvious things unrelated to my comment
            then what's the reason your ass is burning?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            CWC didn't spread all of the IE languages in Europe either, so that's a dumb argument.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            The CWC spread literally every IE language in Europe except Proto-Greek and Proto-Illyrian (Yamnaya did this).

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            using scarecrow again you bastard? I never said that.
            most yes, not all. but that's irrelevant to my argument, by the way.

            You're completely clueless and treat this as some sort of moronic competition. Stop being a child. Both Yamnaya and Corded Ware descended from Sredni Stog. Sredni Stog was formed when migrants from Volga came to Ukraine and after some time largely replaced the earlier Dnieper Donets ancestry.

            Yamnaya definitely contributed to paleo-Balkan people (like Albanians, Greeks and the extinct ones like Illyrians, Thracians and so on). Also probably to Armenians.

            I didn't ask you anything, but the conclusion you reach in your comment is:
            The ancestor of Urheimat is CLV which is divided into Anatolian and PIE (Yamnaya). that simple. the fact that yamnaya spread some (not the majority like the CWC) doesn't change anything. Thank you so much

            Ironically, the first CWCs had R1b and 95% genetic proximity to yamnaya
            And even so, Europeans are kind of mongrels EEF
            in Europe the first ISIS (yamnaya) mixed with farmers, that's how the CWC was born, you missed it here and in the other day's topic.

            no, the early CWC has a mix of forest-steppe hunter gatherers

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            PIE is Sredni Stog, it predates Yamnaya and Sredni Stog is ancestral to both Yamnaya and Corded Ware.
            CLV were hunter gatherers who most likely spoke a proto-Indo-European language and spread it North to form Khvalynsk. At some point they became pastoralists, spread West and formed Sredni Stog.
            Yamnaya is thousands of years later.

            Khvalynsk Eneolithic had a rather low CHG, he was not some kind of southern migrant.
            In addition, the Uralic languages penetrated into Europe literally in IA, you have to be delusional to drag them in.

            There are multiple Khvalynsk samples now. It seems like you haven't read the most recent paper about the origin of IE languages. There are 30-50 samples from Khvalynsk now.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >There are multiple Khvalynsk samples now.
            source?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            the moron contradicts himself twice. and he's still arrogant haha

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Khvalynsk and SS were EHG, CLV(progress) formed Yamnaya and early CWC.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            They weren't. They had mixed ancestry.

            [...]
            yamnaya is contemporary with the CWC, dates differ by 100-50 years, which is within the margin of error of carbon dating, but the CWC area has Indo-European cultures from much earlier: Kvalinskh, Srendy stog, suvorove, yamnaya is baby compared to those so it is safe to assume that yamnaya is CWC raped baby
            [...]

            Yamnaya is older than Corded Ware. At least 300 years older. And before that there's Repin which is culturally closer to Yamnaya than to CWC. I don't know what you're even talking about and how are all those other cultures even relate to CWC.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            early Sredny Stog was EHG.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            What is your point lmao

            [...]

            [...]
            [...]
            the yamnaya were migrant cuckoos in Ukraine, they never achieved anything, they were just mongrels of the Indo-European EHG and other rubbish,

            so they:
            1- Language did not originate
            2- they were not CWC (those who really achieved something)
            3-your cuck ydna is extinct and only exists in Armenian troons
            4- they were hunted and exterminated like wienerroaches by srubnaya

            , therefore yamnaya is irrelevant,

            Ok kid

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Sredny was not a direct ancestor of the Yamnaya, but perhaps he gave birth to CVL(progress) from which the Yamnaya descended directly.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It was mixed. The migrants from the East did not replaced all local ancestry. That seem to happen later.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            They are 95% the same and Yamnaya exists before anything CW.

            PIE is Sredni Stog, it predates Yamnaya and Sredni Stog is ancestral to both Yamnaya and Corded Ware.
            CLV were hunter gatherers who most likely spoke a proto-Indo-European language and spread it North to form Khvalynsk. At some point they became pastoralists, spread West and formed Sredni Stog.
            Yamnaya is thousands of years later.

            [...]
            There are multiple Khvalynsk samples now. It seems like you haven't read the most recent paper about the origin of IE languages. There are 30-50 samples from Khvalynsk now.

            again... you paying attention to the yamnaya? The literally the proto-gypsiez

            the yamnaya were migrant cuckoos in Ukraine, they never achieved anything, they were just mongrels of the Indo-European EHG and other rubbish,

            so they:
            1- Language did not originate
            2- they were not CWC (those who really achieved something)
            3-your cuck ydna is extinct and only exists in Armenian troons
            4- they were hunted and exterminated like wienerroaches by srubnaya

            , therefore yamnaya is irrelevant,

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            yamnaya were only 50% srendy stog mutts, basically no Indoeuropeans

            I'm not sure what the point of lying is, they all look the same.
            to finish off the 12-year-old boy; I'm not sure what Corded Ware sharing IBD segments with other Corded has to do with the close relationship between him and Yamnaya. In fact, this reinforces the accuracy of the method

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            We have stog samples identical to Yamnaya/first CW/Afanasievo

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            yamnaya were only 50% srendy stog mutts, basically no Indoeuropeans

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >R1b is an EHG line
            This is not about haplogroups. WHG also had R1b. It's irrelevant. Indo-European is a recent language, it's not something that goes back to times of ANE and Northern CHG or Baltic HGs almost certainly didn't speak it.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I think it was spoken by EHG from the Pontic–Caspian steppe (such as Samara HG).

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe, but probably not. There's this theory that PIE came from mixing between northern groups who spoke Eurasiatic languages similar to Uralic and southern groups speaking Caucasian language. It fits pretty well with our model.
            Khvalynsk as a culture formed when southern migrants moved North. This is why the ancestry is called Caucasus-Lower Volga.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Khvalynsk Eneolithic had a rather low CHG, he was not some kind of southern migrant.
            In addition, the Uralic languages penetrated into Europe literally in IA, you have to be delusional to drag them in.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            write better about ANE, moron, lmao

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Progress was roughly half EHG, half CHG. But those are irrelevant labels as CHG was a southern population and the steppe cline goes from Progress to EHG.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Yamnaya
      >Anatolian

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anatolian_languages

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Read the new paper.
          Anatolian languages= PIA
          not PIE..
          The "real" PIE, may be SS or even CLV

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            in Anatolia and the southern Caucasus there is Yamnaya Ydna.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            How exactly is this missing something? especially the linguistic issue? Anyway, the Anatolians have less steppe ancestry than the Greeks (yes. less than 15%). the presence of r1b does not reach 20% among them. some basic words in Anatolian, like pai are so different from other IE languages that it's comical.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I wouldn't be surprised if R1b in modern Turks is from Armenians, not from Hittites or other Anatolians. I think it's Z2103, like the Armenian branch.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Yamnaya is not PIE and your map only includes linguistics borders**** not "racial borders"

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yamnaya is not PIE, but one of the most ancient IE groups.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Still no unifying Celtic DNA. They were just a culture system.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      the worm again with this '"there are no Celts dude" spam.

      https://i.imgur.com/lVL7Y5q.jpeg

      although I look like a Yamnaya.

      Ok? What you mean dude

      Yamnaya is not PIE and your map only includes linguistics borders**** not "racial borders"

      Cope

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Ok? What you mean dude
        I have a high CHG, but I'm not the average Slav.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        why "cope"?Yamnata was not IE, CWC was

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Every culture that derived from CLV was Indo-European.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          the reason you call CWC the source of EI is their agricultural mix, which makes them more related to modern Europeans. Cope

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Every culture that derived from CLV was Indo-European.

            They have additional admixture from hunter-gatherers that they absorbed from the steppe.
            They are the source of IE. What is cope? It is what it is. Sorry if you wanted yamnaya to be the source of something. They were loser mongrels, destroyed by srubnaya. In fact, EHG is the source of IE
            Actually, half of all IE languages in Europe, came from CWC. Not yambugya.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You're completely clueless and treat this as some sort of moronic competition. Stop being a child. Both Yamnaya and Corded Ware descended from Sredni Stog. Sredni Stog was formed when migrants from Volga came to Ukraine and after some time largely replaced the earlier Dnieper Donets ancestry.

            Yamnaya definitely contributed to paleo-Balkan people (like Albanians, Greeks and the extinct ones like Illyrians, Thracians and so on). Also probably to Armenians.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ironically, the first CWCs had R1b and 95% genetic proximity to yamnaya
            And even so, Europeans are kind of mongrels EEF
            in Europe the first ISIS (yamnaya) mixed with farmers, that's how the CWC was born, you missed it here and in the other day's topic.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            PIE is Sredni Stog, it predates Yamnaya and Sredni Stog is ancestral to both Yamnaya and Corded Ware.
            CLV were hunter gatherers who most likely spoke a proto-Indo-European language and spread it North to form Khvalynsk. At some point they became pastoralists, spread West and formed Sredni Stog.
            Yamnaya is thousands of years later.

            [...]
            There are multiple Khvalynsk samples now. It seems like you haven't read the most recent paper about the origin of IE languages. There are 30-50 samples from Khvalynsk now.

            yamnaya is contemporary with the CWC, dates differ by 100-50 years, which is within the margin of error of carbon dating, but the CWC area has Indo-European cultures from much earlier: Kvalinskh, Srendy stog, suvorove, yamnaya is baby compared to those so it is safe to assume that yamnaya is CWC raped baby

            why "cope"?Yamnata was not IE, CWC was

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            They are 95% the same and Yamnaya exists before anything CW.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            like srendy stog,
            this is just ibd sharing, confirms that yamnaya is descended from CWC males into Bantu females

            Target: Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya
            Distance: 3.8116% / 0.03811552
            99.8 Poland_CordedWare.SG
            0.2 Somali

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            PNL001 and Yamnaya were contemporaries, they were both R1b, had high CHG and low EEF, I think their common root is in the progress eneolithic.
            By the way, progress is also R1b.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            They have different subclades. It's now obvious that looking for homeland of different subclades is pointless as many of them experienced extremely strong founder effects.
            So Progress and Khvalynsk were majority V1636, Yamnaya Z2103 with minor I-L699 which seem to dominate in Dnieper Donets and later Sredni Stog.
            Early CWC were L51, but later mostly M417 while L51 expanded with Beakers.

            >There are multiple Khvalynsk samples now.
            source?

            The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans

            It's the title.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
            >It's the title.
            give me some samples of Khvalynsk for G25.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think the data is out.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    again... you paying attention to the yamnaya? The literally the proto-gypsiez

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    there is no European without eef. therefore, I reject your accusation of mongrel. It's like saying that all Japanese people are Jomon mongrels. or all Native Americans were ANE mutts.

    eef = gobekli tepe, cataloyuk, vinca and so on. a very noble heritage. reminder that they were enslaving steppe people until shit happened. and the whole matriarchy versus patriarchy narrative is completely moronic.
    I must say, the EEF won, again.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Remember when the israelites spent years shitting on Yamnaya only to find out Yamnaya pretty much didn't contribute to anything genetically en europe? That was a good one.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Nice map.
    HD?!

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Daily autocope thread
    Imagine not being I1

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Hello fellow I1 cultured invidual

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Literally can't stop winning

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Haplo-autism
      Seek help

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Very sad reply
        Remember you can't change yours, deal with it and what you are

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    neither bell beakers or celt were a people.
    Bell beakers is a type of pottery.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Trvke, I mean the Steppeized BBC, NOT not the original EEF ones.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Battle Axe Culture may have been CWC but Germanics are Bell Beaker as well. Everything points to (possibly multiple) Bell Beaker shifts away from CWC.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >but Germanics are Bell Beaker as well.
      According to your delusional headcanon.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Yamnaya was Slavic
    What evidence is there for such claims? You see it said around here but no one ever posts shit to back it up. Seems obvious they were CWC.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Cope, slavgrel. You are a Yamnaya easterling unlike us Corded Germs

  13. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    None of these terms have any historical meaning or relevance whatsoever

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      -ACK!

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Okay and?
        Do we call your ancestors the proto-stinky nubian satan's spawn Egyptian slave culture B? Or do we call them israelites?
        How would you feel when I start calling your ancestors proto-stinky nubian satan's spawn Egyptian slave culture B?
        Fricking butthole.
        Call people what they are.
        Have some respect, of course you don't have that, fricking satan's spawn.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Josephine, relax and take your hrt.

          Study link?

          https://www.youtube.com/live/q0CV0sh7wGQ?si=3p3jVyYyVV6Uy7la
          Got it from this video.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            At 1:30:30

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/AJ1CqpA.jpeg

            [...]
            https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.13.584607v1

            At 1:30:30

            You are my hero

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Study link?

  14. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    HD map please?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Study link?

      https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.13.584607v1

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >"Almost all samples modelled primarily as Corded Ware, Bell Beaker and Yamnaya-related ancestry fall within the regions prescribed to each culture in the archaeological literature (Figure 4)"

        OOOOOOFFFFFF

  15. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Target: RUS_Golubaya_Krinitsa_N
    Distance: 2.8541% / 0.02854142
    45.8 RUS_Sidelkino_HG
    29.8 UKR_Meso
    24.4 GEO_Kotias_Klde_Meso

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