But really in the spirit of discussion, eGPU + NAS are necessary for modern computing so you could ditch the bulky computing and offload it to your own system.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>eGPU + NAS are necessary for modern computing
lol ok grandpa >eGPU
only necessary if you use non-ARM processors >NAS
only necessary if you use non-cloud storage
That's like saying that RTX 3060 and RTX 3080 only have different capabilities because Nvidia says so.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Chip binning doesn't disprove my point. Monterey runs on a 2014 dual core shitter, there's no reason a gimped M1 wouldn't run macOS and no reason you can't run iOS on a regular M1, other than Apple saying "iOS for mobiles, macOS for computers".
My mom had a 2007 iMac, and I had already done everything I could to keep that thing running. SSD, did the weird RAM thing where I managed to get it to 6GB with mismatched modules, used dosdude's patchers to get High Sierra running on it. But its time had come.
I bought her the yellow M1 iMac and it's so nice to have a Mac that just works again. But I fricking know there is no way I'll be able to patch it together and keep it running like that A1224. I suspect it will be e-waste by the end of this decade. But I don't really care, for the time being it's got her back on the internet, and she loves the cheery colour tone. I would never buy it for myself, but for the intended audience, it's a great computer.
>but for the intended audience
the intended audience is people who value aesthetics and silence over RGB gayming lights, an intrusive tower PC, and an obnoxious fan revving up to browse chrome
NTA, but like him I typically just buy an older Macintosh for my mother. It just werks for what an old lady with bad eyesight uses it for. She thinks it’s slick, and OSX is more intuitive for the computer-illiterate than Windows. That’s really who Apples are designed for, at the end of the day. Wouldn’t use one for myself
You know it's pretty easy to build a silent ITX machine if you really want that, right? You can even get a fanless case, that has a giant CPU heatsink built in.
I bought a 2008 iMac new - the 24" one. Great computer at the time, but i learned the lesson of why all-in-ones are a bad idea, long term. A laptop is one thing, but that iMac is sitting in a closet because I haven't bothered to recycle it. The screen is fine, for what it is, but i have no use for a CoreDue CPU and whatever the hell GPU chipset was in it.
But if your mom gets a decade out of it, that's a win all around. (Apple would rather you upgrade every other year, like any company would, of course)
It's hard to say what the tech world will be like in a decade, if OpenCore will still be a thing for Apple Silicon or not. But you have 10 years to save up for a new computer for her.
Frankly I'm quite happy that we can even think about having computers last for a decade now.
In mid 1996, my dad got a Performa 6115CD from the store where he was working. It had only been introduced less than two years prior, and had only been discontinued for about 7 months at that point. But it was so thoroughly outclassed by newer Power Macs that they let him have it for $200. The original retail price on it was over $2,000. Two years old, and it was basically worthless to the store. My parents got the then-new iMac in 1998, by which point the Performa was utterly outdated and incapable of running probably 60% of new software. The first iMac ran OS X like total ass so it was also replaced by a "lampshade" G4 iMac in 2003, and then the aluminum iMac in 2007.
Things were not much better on the PC side. My friend owned probably 5 computers between 1995 and 2010. Each new one felt like a quantum leap over the other. Going from a Pentium II to a Pentium III actually felt huge. And then, after getting a Q6600, he just... stopped buying new PCs.
Personally, a Thinkpad T500 served me well from 2009 to 2019. Loved that machine and never felt a need to upgrade, but eventually got an X1C (which was a mistake, frick Lenovo, I'm on an M1 MBP now)
>And then, after getting a Q6600, he just... stopped buying new PCs.
That's because he is poor. A Q6600 is just as outclassed by modern hardware as the other machines you mentioned. In fact it was basically done by the time Sandy came out, and Sandy nowadays is worthless too.
>Loved that machine and never felt a need to upgrade
i had a t420 since 2017 and by that time it was basically past its useful life already. insanely slow even with an ssd, ran very hot, could do nothing but browse the web and edit text documents (which is all i really needed it for, but it still did a piss poor job of it)
i have no idea how you people cope with such terrible, outdated machines. i still upgrade my computer every 3-5 years and i am still blown away by the performance every time... i wonder if i live in the same universe as you or if you are just trying to rationalize something.
>by being cheaper
Actually, they're not even that expensive if your time costs money. We recently bought a ton of iMacs and the IT department is super happy, because it just werks. Also, they literally don't use up more space than a screen, which is crucial in many places. >Muh customisability
Do you think, any company exchanges CPUs, replaces thermal paste, upgrades ram etc. after a couple of years? That's for people whose time is literally worthless, teenagers and NEETs.
>any company exchanges CPUs, replaces thermal paste, upgrades ram etc. after a couple of years?
Or really, the average consumer. The average consumers buys like a $500 computer and they're not gonna crack it open to replace thermal paste, ever. And since they pay so little for the computer, they wouldn't fathom paying a shop $100 to crack it open and fix it for them, even if they thought that it was an option.
Or even the enthusiast. I bought a modular pc in 2014 and the only times I opened it were because some fans were rattling. >Yeah, I'll upgrade later >GPUs literally unaffordable >frick I have ddr3 memory, unobtainable >ddr4 memory requires a new mainboard, therefore a new cpu
2 years ago
Anonymous
why are people ok with giant modular PCs that are pieced together like legos with so much wasted space in an unwieldy design?
2 years ago
Anonymous
I probably won't ever get such a PC again.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Its called having a computer where parts can be swapped or replaced.
>having the ram soldered >not allowed to repair the apple computer laptop you own >must pay apple tax for extra ram or storage before buying laptop
2 years ago
Anonymous
I read your post as "I am poor and have stupid opinions"
2 years ago
Anonymous
>its a stupid opinion to want to be able to work on or repair the hardware you own
k
imagine if other products were like this. >GE washing machine broke >installing a new display bricks it >only GE can fix it
2 years ago
Anonymous
Everything packed (centrally) into a single embedded chip means system wide failure at some point, I can dig it though, they are already fine with paying half the price of the phone to get it working again.
IT is super happy. Yeah because they'll tell you to take it to the Apple store when it inevitably breaks rather than needing to do their job. It'll cost the company shitloads in the long term but so long as IT can collect their paycheck without doing shit they'll be happy.
I recommend Chrome and Apple devices to everyone I don't like.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Its called having a computer where parts can be swapped or replaced.
yeah but it rarely happens so you're stuck with a giant rectangle box hidden under your desk until you eventually get a new computer in 4 years
t.
Or even the enthusiast. I bought a modular pc in 2014 and the only times I opened it were because some fans were rattling. >Yeah, I'll upgrade later >GPUs literally unaffordable >frick I have ddr3 memory, unobtainable >ddr4 memory requires a new mainboard, therefore a new cpu
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why would I accept anything else? I am still pissed that I can't get a CPU socket in a laptop anymore, and they stopped doing that ten years ago.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I've mostly ever upgraded HDDs/SSDs, since getting a new CPU usually requires getting a full motherboard, and upgrading only the GPU will probably lead to bottlenecking on the CPU side, which again requires a lot of upgrades. And really, whenever one of my parts starts getting out of date, all of them are out of date.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>planned obsolescence in a pretty box
no thank you
2014 was the sunset days of DDR3 dude + all of the ddr3 stock is on ebay now, and you had literal years to jump on surplus 10 and the 16 series. At least try sounding like an enthusiast
Not entirely true. BestBuy and repair shops are still a thing because the average person will take their computer in for any upgrade. Or for re-installing windows. These same people pay Jiffy Lube to change their oil and strip the plug bolt, instead of doing it themselves in their own garage. I know people who call AAA for flat tires.
And you expect these people to change thermal paste? Or even know what it is?
>time costs money
Every single computer works roughly the same. This "time is money" bullshit that people use to justify paying tons more for the same shit is just a massive cope. crApple users, MS Office, etc.
IT is super happy. Yeah because they'll tell you to take it to the Apple store when it inevitably breaks rather than needing to do their job. It'll cost the company shitloads in the long term but so long as IT can collect their paycheck without doing shit they'll be happy.
>literally unusable
its literally my favorite mouse because I don't hold my mice like a moron
with BTT its like using a trackpad and mouse 2-in-1
>you are stuck with a 24"
Yeah no thank you
>>you are stuck with a 24"
literally the best size for a screen
if you're using anything bigger and your screen is less than 1 arms length away from you enjoy your eyestrain and migraines which are coming
really liked the M1 macs but that was the one hangup. drive one extra display at 6K resolution but 2x 1080 monitors is too much? tim apple can suck my wiener
yes, AFAIK the only Apple silicon devices so far that can drive more than 1 external display are the $3k+ 'pro' models. Additionally, it's been a while since I tried, but I think Apple still refuses to support Displayport 1.2 (daisy chain) even though the hardware is perfectly capable. I guess I'm just not enough of a 'professional' to pay triple for a gimped system
False. You can have two external displays on M1; I'm using 5K display and 4K display on Mac Mini right now. You just cannot have two displays connected to Thunderbold, the other one needs to be HDMI.
2 years ago
Anonymous
note how I said 'additional' display, ie a display in addition to the primary display attached to the machine in the context of the imac or any of the laptops. I'd sure hope you can have 2 monitors plugged into a desktop computer or you'd have bought a hot pile of trash
Out of the box. A couple of Startech adapters lets you run 5 off a M1 MBP and 6 off a Mac Mini.
Why Apple does this, no clue, but it's a simple work-around. The Windows world isn't much better, for laptops, they have all kinds of claims for external monitors, but try to use more than one, then it's the same issues, needing adapters and hubs. If you want or need more than 2 displays, get a damn tower.
2 years ago
Anonymous
lmao nice, I still have one of the Startech TB3 -> 2x displayport adapters from the last time I had to use a macbook - good to see they've made no progress in 4-5 years.
this time around I just wanted a nice clean imac with a portrait display on each side. maybe in 2030
>tiny screen >unergonomic mouse that only exists to look nice >tiny, unergonomic keyboard >crappy hardware stuffed into the monitor, like an even shittier version of the already shitty imac >locked down OS, no regular software, just crappy "apps"
How the frick can you work like that?
I had a 80386 computer back in the '80s that was more usable than that piece of shit.
>fix >implying these are problems
I bet you're a Fortnite moron thinking the App Store should be unlocked like the android store so a bunch of Chinese 3rd party spyware crap can flood the market
>that would make iPhones almost useful.
seems like they're plenty useful to the majority of the public given they're the most popular smartphone ever
Why would I accept anything else? I am still pissed that I can't get a CPU socket in a laptop anymore, and they stopped doing that ten years ago.
>Why would I accept anything else?
because some people value reliability, ease of use, aesthetics, quietness, walled garden interaction with their OS vs a build-everything-yourself hot loud eyesore with unreliable software
2 years ago
Anonymous
>because some people value blah blah blah
My computer works fine, seems like a personal issue.
2 years ago
Anonymous
thin computers are ugly
2 years ago
Anonymous
post you're computer
2 years ago
Anonymous
i regret getting a mid-tower, i could have had an even larger full-tower.
2 years ago
Anonymous
eesh.... reminds me of this.
2 years ago
Anonymous
spaghetti = comfy and soul
2 years ago
Anonymous
full towers are a b***h to move around
2 years ago
Anonymous
i've got a nice umpc if i need portable computing
usually though, it's docked to my tv
2 years ago
Anonymous
no like to move around when getting the back to reach the io ports or pulling it out to get both side panels off etc
>Repairability
if your computer is breaking more than once every 4 years, you have a shit computer >Upgradeability
nobody is going to upgrade a niche piece of their computer after purchase date unless they upgrade a bunch of other internals at the same time, where you're better off just getting a new computer at that point >Modularity
modularity is useless if upgradability is niche >Cost
the price for a closed garden integrated hw+sw device, worth it if you're not a cheap jèw >Compatibility
yes my Google phone works Great! with my Android tablet, lmao get real >Customizability
oh no, no RGB gatyming lights :~~* >Price
literally cost >Sustainability
kek show me one windows device that is more sustainable, delusional moron
>getting cucked by your computer
Yeah, you are
By being more capable for less cost
>By being more capable for less cost
and running shittier
and looker shittier
>and running shittier
lmao sure kid
>and running shittier
the mac costs 1k$ base, with that you can make a way better computer
>and looker shittier
why do you need it looking better? you should work on it, not jerk off to it
>Putting aesthetics before functionality and reliability
>more capable
only in certain heavy load situations like playing latest games or rendering 3D
by being able to render a simple image in Blender in less than a week.
How can any computer compete with this?
holy shit
who is this?
Clara Gius
I chose my computer over a GF, you'd be surprised
>How can any computer compete with this?
https://www.unrealengine.com/en-US/metahuman?sessionInvalidated=true
a computer will never be a woman
>:
Clara Gius is so lovely.
eGPU
Also NAS for HDD/games storage
ARM Macs don't have eGPU support. It's either the iGPU or bust.
Good luck with that.
Gay
But really in the spirit of discussion, eGPU + NAS are necessary for modern computing so you could ditch the bulky computing and offload it to your own system.
>eGPU + NAS are necessary for modern computing
lol ok grandpa
>eGPU
only necessary if you use non-ARM processors
>NAS
only necessary if you use non-cloud storage
both are the opposite of future-forward computing
holy shit anthony videos arent moronic? actually good info and the comment section isnt filled with garbage
wow im actually going to start watching ltt videos if the track record for anthony videos is to keep the zoomies out
How can this compete with any computer?
That's an iPad with a stand. It doesn't compete with computers at all.
you do realize Macs and iPads use completely different OS, right?
only because apple says so
That's like saying that RTX 3060 and RTX 3080 only have different capabilities because Nvidia says so.
Chip binning doesn't disprove my point. Monterey runs on a 2014 dual core shitter, there's no reason a gimped M1 wouldn't run macOS and no reason you can't run iOS on a regular M1, other than Apple saying "iOS for mobiles, macOS for computers".
le corporate stock image PC
Computers compete by lasting longer than two years. This iPad stand is trash after 2 years.
it's better to have a laptop and an external monitor than this shit.
This. These all-in-one type desktops just seem expensive for no gain
I hope you are ready to ask jamal to give it back.
My mom had a 2007 iMac, and I had already done everything I could to keep that thing running. SSD, did the weird RAM thing where I managed to get it to 6GB with mismatched modules, used dosdude's patchers to get High Sierra running on it. But its time had come.
I bought her the yellow M1 iMac and it's so nice to have a Mac that just works again. But I fricking know there is no way I'll be able to patch it together and keep it running like that A1224. I suspect it will be e-waste by the end of this decade. But I don't really care, for the time being it's got her back on the internet, and she loves the cheery colour tone. I would never buy it for myself, but for the intended audience, it's a great computer.
>but for the intended audience
the intended audience is people who value aesthetics and silence over RGB gayming lights, an intrusive tower PC, and an obnoxious fan revving up to browse chrome
NTA, but like him I typically just buy an older Macintosh for my mother. It just werks for what an old lady with bad eyesight uses it for. She thinks it’s slick, and OSX is more intuitive for the computer-illiterate than Windows. That’s really who Apples are designed for, at the end of the day. Wouldn’t use one for myself
You know it's pretty easy to build a silent ITX machine if you really want that, right? You can even get a fanless case, that has a giant CPU heatsink built in.
I bought a 2008 iMac new - the 24" one. Great computer at the time, but i learned the lesson of why all-in-ones are a bad idea, long term. A laptop is one thing, but that iMac is sitting in a closet because I haven't bothered to recycle it. The screen is fine, for what it is, but i have no use for a CoreDue CPU and whatever the hell GPU chipset was in it.
But if your mom gets a decade out of it, that's a win all around. (Apple would rather you upgrade every other year, like any company would, of course)
It's hard to say what the tech world will be like in a decade, if OpenCore will still be a thing for Apple Silicon or not. But you have 10 years to save up for a new computer for her.
Frankly I'm quite happy that we can even think about having computers last for a decade now.
In mid 1996, my dad got a Performa 6115CD from the store where he was working. It had only been introduced less than two years prior, and had only been discontinued for about 7 months at that point. But it was so thoroughly outclassed by newer Power Macs that they let him have it for $200. The original retail price on it was over $2,000. Two years old, and it was basically worthless to the store. My parents got the then-new iMac in 1998, by which point the Performa was utterly outdated and incapable of running probably 60% of new software. The first iMac ran OS X like total ass so it was also replaced by a "lampshade" G4 iMac in 2003, and then the aluminum iMac in 2007.
Things were not much better on the PC side. My friend owned probably 5 computers between 1995 and 2010. Each new one felt like a quantum leap over the other. Going from a Pentium II to a Pentium III actually felt huge. And then, after getting a Q6600, he just... stopped buying new PCs.
Personally, a Thinkpad T500 served me well from 2009 to 2019. Loved that machine and never felt a need to upgrade, but eventually got an X1C (which was a mistake, frick Lenovo, I'm on an M1 MBP now)
>And then, after getting a Q6600, he just... stopped buying new PCs.
That's because he is poor. A Q6600 is just as outclassed by modern hardware as the other machines you mentioned. In fact it was basically done by the time Sandy came out, and Sandy nowadays is worthless too.
>Loved that machine and never felt a need to upgrade
i had a t420 since 2017 and by that time it was basically past its useful life already. insanely slow even with an ssd, ran very hot, could do nothing but browse the web and edit text documents (which is all i really needed it for, but it still did a piss poor job of it)
i have no idea how you people cope with such terrible, outdated machines. i still upgrade my computer every 3-5 years and i am still blown away by the performance every time... i wonder if i live in the same universe as you or if you are just trying to rationalize something.
by having cheaper and infinitely better hardware, frick this gay shit
by being more customizable
by lasting longer
by being cheaper
by not being flimsy
next question
>by lasting longer
citation needed
>by not being flimsy
citation needed
>By lasting longer
Macs get 5 years of updates
You can run the latest version of Windows 10 or any distro on a 20 year old processor.
>By not being flimsy
Go buy one and tip it over. RIP iMac.
>by being cheaper
Actually, they're not even that expensive if your time costs money. We recently bought a ton of iMacs and the IT department is super happy, because it just werks. Also, they literally don't use up more space than a screen, which is crucial in many places.
>Muh customisability
Do you think, any company exchanges CPUs, replaces thermal paste, upgrades ram etc. after a couple of years? That's for people whose time is literally worthless, teenagers and NEETs.
>any company exchanges CPUs, replaces thermal paste, upgrades ram etc. after a couple of years?
Or really, the average consumer. The average consumers buys like a $500 computer and they're not gonna crack it open to replace thermal paste, ever. And since they pay so little for the computer, they wouldn't fathom paying a shop $100 to crack it open and fix it for them, even if they thought that it was an option.
Or even the enthusiast. I bought a modular pc in 2014 and the only times I opened it were because some fans were rattling.
>Yeah, I'll upgrade later
>GPUs literally unaffordable
>frick I have ddr3 memory, unobtainable
>ddr4 memory requires a new mainboard, therefore a new cpu
why are people ok with giant modular PCs that are pieced together like legos with so much wasted space in an unwieldy design?
I probably won't ever get such a PC again.
Its called having a computer where parts can be swapped or replaced.
>having the ram soldered
>not allowed to repair the apple computer laptop you own
>must pay apple tax for extra ram or storage before buying laptop
I read your post as "I am poor and have stupid opinions"
>its a stupid opinion to want to be able to work on or repair the hardware you own
k
imagine if other products were like this.
>GE washing machine broke
>installing a new display bricks it
>only GE can fix it
Everything packed (centrally) into a single embedded chip means system wide failure at some point, I can dig it though, they are already fine with paying half the price of the phone to get it working again.
I recommend Chrome and Apple devices to everyone I don't like.
>Its called having a computer where parts can be swapped or replaced.
yeah but it rarely happens so you're stuck with a giant rectangle box hidden under your desk until you eventually get a new computer in 4 years
t.
Why would I accept anything else? I am still pissed that I can't get a CPU socket in a laptop anymore, and they stopped doing that ten years ago.
I've mostly ever upgraded HDDs/SSDs, since getting a new CPU usually requires getting a full motherboard, and upgrading only the GPU will probably lead to bottlenecking on the CPU side, which again requires a lot of upgrades. And really, whenever one of my parts starts getting out of date, all of them are out of date.
>planned obsolescence in a pretty box
no thank you
2014 was the sunset days of DDR3 dude + all of the ddr3 stock is on ebay now, and you had literal years to jump on surplus 10 and the 16 series. At least try sounding like an enthusiast
Not entirely true. BestBuy and repair shops are still a thing because the average person will take their computer in for any upgrade. Or for re-installing windows. These same people pay Jiffy Lube to change their oil and strip the plug bolt, instead of doing it themselves in their own garage. I know people who call AAA for flat tires.
And you expect these people to change thermal paste? Or even know what it is?
>time costs money
Every single computer works roughly the same. This "time is money" bullshit that people use to justify paying tons more for the same shit is just a massive cope. crApple users, MS Office, etc.
look at him. point at him and laugh
please tell me you are trolling me.
I beg you
Yeah I'm sure IT is super happy about introducing a new ecosystem they need to support.
IT is super happy. Yeah because they'll tell you to take it to the Apple store when it inevitably breaks rather than needing to do their job. It'll cost the company shitloads in the long term but so long as IT can collect their paycheck without doing shit they'll be happy.
> compete
by having an OS that doesn't phone home whenever you launch a program.
>that mouse
literally unusable
>literally unusable
its literally my favorite mouse because I don't hold my mice like a moron
with BTT its like using a trackpad and mouse 2-in-1
>>you are stuck with a 24"
literally the best size for a screen
if you're using anything bigger and your screen is less than 1 arms length away from you enjoy your eyestrain and migraines which are coming
>you are stuck with a 24"
Yeah no thank you
driving more than 1 additional display
really liked the M1 macs but that was the one hangup. drive one extra display at 6K resolution but 2x 1080 monitors is too much? tim apple can suck my wiener
Mac can't handle extra display?
yes, AFAIK the only Apple silicon devices so far that can drive more than 1 external display are the $3k+ 'pro' models. Additionally, it's been a while since I tried, but I think Apple still refuses to support Displayport 1.2 (daisy chain) even though the hardware is perfectly capable. I guess I'm just not enough of a 'professional' to pay triple for a gimped system
False. You can have two external displays on M1; I'm using 5K display and 4K display on Mac Mini right now. You just cannot have two displays connected to Thunderbold, the other one needs to be HDMI.
note how I said 'additional' display, ie a display in addition to the primary display attached to the machine in the context of the imac or any of the laptops. I'd sure hope you can have 2 monitors plugged into a desktop computer or you'd have bought a hot pile of trash
Out of the box. A couple of Startech adapters lets you run 5 off a M1 MBP and 6 off a Mac Mini.
Why Apple does this, no clue, but it's a simple work-around. The Windows world isn't much better, for laptops, they have all kinds of claims for external monitors, but try to use more than one, then it's the same issues, needing adapters and hubs. If you want or need more than 2 displays, get a damn tower.
lmao nice, I still have one of the Startech TB3 -> 2x displayport adapters from the last time I had to use a macbook - good to see they've made no progress in 4-5 years.
this time around I just wanted a nice clean imac with a portrait display on each side. maybe in 2030
>tiny screen
>unergonomic mouse that only exists to look nice
>tiny, unergonomic keyboard
>crappy hardware stuffed into the monitor, like an even shittier version of the already shitty imac
>locked down OS, no regular software, just crappy "apps"
How the frick can you work like that?
I had a 80386 computer back in the '80s that was more usable than that piece of shit.
whoever made this thread is not real
it's either a paid shill or a master troll. no doubt
cool, what is it
By selling all the parts 'not' soldered to the board of course
>24"
>LCD
>closed source OS
>locked down hardware
fix those things and itll be good
32 is too tall and 24 is too skinny
27 is the perfect choice
Yeah, 27 is the number I had in mind.
>fix
>implying these are problems
I bet you're a Fortnite moron thinking the App Store should be unlocked like the android store so a bunch of Chinese 3rd party spyware crap can flood the market
>the App Store should be unlocked like the android store
Yes, that would make iPhones almost useful.
>that would make iPhones almost useful.
seems like they're plenty useful to the majority of the public given they're the most popular smartphone ever
>Why would I accept anything else?
because some people value reliability, ease of use, aesthetics, quietness, walled garden interaction with their OS vs a build-everything-yourself hot loud eyesore with unreliable software
>because some people value blah blah blah
My computer works fine, seems like a personal issue.
thin computers are ugly
post you're computer
i regret getting a mid-tower, i could have had an even larger full-tower.
eesh.... reminds me of this.
spaghetti = comfy and soul
full towers are a b***h to move around
i've got a nice umpc if i need portable computing
usually though, it's docked to my tv
no like to move around when getting the back to reach the io ports or pulling it out to get both side panels off etc
Only if you’re a needlearmed homosexual
Repairability
Upgradeability
Modularity
Cost
Compatibility
Customizability
Price
Sustainability
Apple BTFO!
>Repairability
if your computer is breaking more than once every 4 years, you have a shit computer
>Upgradeability
nobody is going to upgrade a niche piece of their computer after purchase date unless they upgrade a bunch of other internals at the same time, where you're better off just getting a new computer at that point
>Modularity
modularity is useless if upgradability is niche
>Cost
the price for a closed garden integrated hw+sw device, worth it if you're not a cheap jèw
>Compatibility
yes my Google phone works Great! with my Android tablet, lmao get real
>Customizability
oh no, no RGB gatyming lights :~~*
>Price
literally cost
>Sustainability
kek show me one windows device that is more sustainable, delusional moron
>yor cpu is broken
>it's $1999
>thanks for choosing apple service
i get carpal tunnel using that
half of this board are 19 year old PC gamers, so I don't really think this is the computer for them.