How can someone be a Christian and not believe that faith alone saves?

How can someone be a Christian and not believe that faith alone saves? Isn’t the only alternative to state that your actions contribute to your justification (opening the door to endless legalism)? I don’t get it.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Satan also has faith, but he is not saved

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That is not what faith alone means.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In James chapter 2 it says that devils believe that there is one God. There are indeed monotheistic religions out there; It's not the same thing as having a saving knowledge of our Lord and Savior.

      That's obviously not enough to be saved according to the Gospel, just to think that there is one God and nothing else.

      "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble."
      - James 2:19

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Right, I wonder why people think Jesus came to replace one works based salvation (the Law) with another.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe because he explicitly said people would be judged on their actions or lack of such.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        People were already judged based on their actions under the Law. What do you think his death was for?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Not him, but old testament law didn't purport to let people who follow it go to heaven. The israelites didn't follow the law because it was supposed to get them a good afterlife, they followed it because it was a duty imposed on them by their god.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We don't believe anyone could get into heaven period before Jesus. People could only get into limbo of the fathers.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >your actions contribute to your justification (opening the door to endless legalism)
    Why would that open the door to endless legalism?

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Isn’t the only alternative to state that your actions contribute to your justification (opening the door to endless legalism)? I don’t get it.
    It also opens the door to justice, something completely lacking from salvation based on faith alone.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >It also opens the door to justice
      The "justice" in question
      I'd rather stick with sola fide, thanks

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You can be overcharged for something and still get it.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sure? It's boasting in them that is the problem. It's like driving a car safely after your dad buys it for you. You don't total it and then blame your dad for giving you the car. You also wouldn't say you earned the car by driving it responsibly.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > Sure? It's boasting in them that is the problem
      You just blew my mind
      > Ephesians 2:9 not by works, so that no one can boast

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Go to Africa to install wells. But at the end of the day, that didn't save you, God's grace did.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Protestant: We are saved through justification by believing in Jesus Christ. Justification is a single moment and happens in the moment of Believing. Baptism and good works are a sign of justification

    Catho-ortho: We are saved through Justification by believing in Jesus Christ. Justification is a process, believing in Jesus gives us the will to perform good deeds, and with the cooperation of God good deeds can indeed be done. If we fail in the process, we can start again through confession.

    So in a certain sense both groups believe we are saved by faith. The real distinction is process vs single moment.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Even in Protestantism you can lose justification over and over. How? Have a moment you doubt your faith? You no longer have faith and lost justification. Feel faithful the next day? Justification is back.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Good point

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >you have to live according to Jesus teachings, not just pay it lip service
    >degenerate pimp Luther: NOOOOOOOOOOOO
    Protestantism is a disorder of the mind.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Open and hard-hearted sinners are not admitted to the Sacrament and other communion of the Church until they amend their lives and avoid sin [1 Corinthians 5]. Smalcald Articles- Martin Luther

      >God threatens to punish all who sin against these commandments. Therefore, we should fear His wrath and not act contrary to these commandments. But He promises grace and every blessing to all who keep these commandments. Therefore, we should also love and trust in Him and gladly do what He commands. Small Catechism- Martin Luther.
      I don’t know what you’re talking about.

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