Universal human rights was an absolute failure because they realized that they couldn't stop slavery in africa and asia and gave up. True universal human rights would condemn africa and asia but liberals don't actually care what you do as long as you're in their pocket
>slaves mostly come from bottom-of-the-barrel illiberal shitholes >that's proof liberalism doesn't work
No it's just proof that there's still a lot more work that needs to be done before Eurasiatic despotism and desert death cults and their associated problems are isolated and contained
>they realized that they couldn't stop slavery in africa and asia
What exactly do you think the Europeans were doing in Africa? The Berlin Conference of 1884 that divided Africa into pieces and kick started the Scramble for Africa explicitly outlawed the slave trade. No one ever cares to mention that when they b***h about the "evils" of colonialism.
>one world ideology clearly pulls away from all the others in terms of achievements >it's ideology is "don't put too much faith in your own ideology"
the duality of man
That's just stating the obvious. People deemphasizing their beliefs emphasize their concrete individuality instead, that's why only losers and uneducated lumpenproles in the west ascribe to any kind of ethnocentric mindset while educated and cultured westerners are open minded and curious about other cultures and ideologies and are hesitant to be critical of their negative aspects
>It's me alone against the world >Now let me take your shit and land and make you second class citizens unless I decide to exterminate you >NOOOOOO STOP TEAMING UP AGAINST ME THATS NOT FAIR
Discarded.
The problem is that a lot of the features of modernity are conflated with 'western culture' by backwards third worlders. As if not treating women like cattle is just a matter of cultural preference.
infant circumcision has an ostensible health purpose: to protect the infant from associated infections and phimosis as an adult can be very painful. Just ignore the religious kooks lobbying for it on "muh degeneracy" grounds, and ignore all the fat stacks of cash hospitals make by selling foreskins to the cosmetics industry
But footbinding doesn't even have that, it actively hurts the practicioners for purely a status symbol. You'd be better off comparing it to the barbaric practice of growing, selling, and smoking tobacco
>But footbinding doesn't even have that, it actively hurts the practicioners for purely a status symbol.
You know, like earrings (and any form of piercing in general), tattoos, tight corsets,...
Yeah but to a trivial extent. Footbinding flat out cripples the person.
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Ear piercings before modern medicine could be fatal, corsets have their reputation as well.
Likewise, the girls who've had it done weren't crippled to any extent within the confines of the life they could expect.
A status symbol doll who simply needs to walk around the home and spends most of her life in her bed does not need to run any marathons. Their feet were not the barrier in life, their whole existence was.
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>Likewise, the girls who've had it done weren't crippled to any extent within the confines of the life they could expect.
Yeah but therein lies the problem because what happens if you're a Manchu courtier with crippled tinyfeet and its 1911? It leaves them utterly helpless and utterly dependent upon an existing social order and any shocks to the system could leave them beautifully equipped for a world that no longer exists and sitting ducks in the next one. You can always take out an earring or cover up a tattoo, and in the modern age the risks from those procedures is virtually inconsequential, so they're just not in the same category of body modification. It's one thing if the odd eccentric wants to transform themselves into some kind of freakish lizard-person, it's another thing entirely when you're talking about a stifling conformity culture that every single person is expected to adhere too.
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>if you're a Manchu courtier with crippled tinyfeet and its 1911
Bannermen (Manchu, Han, Mongol, Tibetan, even fricking Russians IIRC) did nothing to their feet. That was a custom of the non-Banner Han.
>You can always take out an earring or cover up a tattoo
You can't hide the hole or scar in your ear. You're a woman. It wouldn't be the first or the last system to penalise, possibly fatally, anything like that and without giving you the option to say no.
All body modification is fricked up. You're just trumpeting for your side just like madame Sun would trumpet how her daughter will get her fricked up feet but would be strangled the moment she was even suspect of having a tattoo.
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>All body modification is fricked up.
No, some body modification is benign enough that it isn't a big deal. You're making a false equivalence by comparing a milimeter sized hole in a girl's ear that nobody ever had a problem with in history, and comparing it to repeatedly breaking somebody's feet over and over again, causing immense amount of pain, and leaving them unable to function as a normal person. Ethnocentricism is moronic but so is blanket moral relativism.
If you seriously have a problem with earrings you're the strange one out, here
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>Ethnocentricism is moronic but so is blanket moral relativism.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either some cultures have superior values to others, or they're all the same. So which is it?
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somewhere in the middle: most differences are purely cosmetic and matters of taste but some methodologies produce clearly better results than others. However these are marginal differences that ought to be straightened out through trade and cultural exchange. Exclusion and bigotry just makes everyone collectively poorer but that doesn't mean we have to throw ourselves in a cannibal's pot, either.
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>However these are marginal differences that ought to be straightened out through trade and cultural exchange
Yes, yes, free trade and a strongly worded letter will certainly convince slavers to free their slaves and worked to stop Chinese lords from smashing the bones in their daughters' feet.
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>that nobody ever had a problem with in history
Anon, I would at least accept if we were talking about trains or some shit but how can you go into a thread about Chinese customs and then not know that earrings were a life and death thing at several points in Chinese history.
It's a minor hole to you, a big deal for them. A tattoo meant you were a convict or slave and had to be apprehended by any means necessary.
That's the hole in your argument. "If they fricked up their feet, surely anything -I- find as less damaging was a-okay to them." It simply wasn't. Cue the thread's OP.
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>It's a minor hole to you, a big deal for them. A tattoo meant you were a convict or slave and had to be apprehended by any means necessary.
These are cultural customs that in real terms don't harm the human body on a large enough scale to physically inhibit them. Footbinding can not make that claim, that's why you absolutely can not make that comparison.
Ear piercings before modern medicine could be fatal, corsets have their reputation as well.
Likewise, the girls who've had it done weren't crippled to any extent within the confines of the life they could expect.
A status symbol doll who simply needs to walk around the home and spends most of her life in her bed does not need to run any marathons. Their feet were not the barrier in life, their whole existence was.
>infant circumcision has an ostensible health purpose: to protect the infant from associated infections and phimosis as an adult can be very painful.
Ah yes, the billions of non-Jew/Musim/American men suffering from infections and phimosis...
>uhh, actually, having an ear piercing and wearing some tight clothes is exactly the same as repeatedly breaking the bones in a child's foot and crippling them for life so they can't walk on their own
Moral relativists are literally moronic.
My friend, 19th/early 20th century Corsets literally were destroying the ribcages and abdominal organs of western women. Its the same BS as bound feet was.
Permanent body deformation only happened in the most extreme of tightlacing, not the 99% of women (and men) wearing them. A lot of the horror stories of corseting were invented a generation after they fell out of use, as just another case of "wow look how barbaric the previous generations were, unlike us enlightened people today." It is absolutely not comparable to foot binding that would literally cripple women.
Is within your rights to talk shit about anything relative to china and their provinces, you must side against china even if it hurts your perception of reality. Only the destruction and desolation of the current concept of china will let you achieve human evoution. There is no wrongdoing in telling chinamen that their traditions are close to prehistoric behavior rather than civilization.
appeal to biology. >feet binding is bad because it causes ueven forces on the foot >cousin marriage is bad because of inbreeding >mutilation is bad
etc
You can't unless your culture is explicitly based on or around things other than ethnicity. Even then, on a long enough timescale that cultural milleu will form an ethnicity. See the genetic differences between middle eastern Christians and middle eastern Muslims for a good example. As well, cultures defined by things other than ethnicity are nearly always a byproduct of Imperialism. In my eyes, that's one of greatest ironies of our postcolonial postmodern world of anti-racism and world citizenry.
health and fitness of the individual and species
this is just the kind of attitude that turned "universal" "human rights" into "trans rights"
What's wrong with that?
Who's job to do what?
it seems ive encountered a bad faith sophist
Just answer the question.
heres your answer mein fuhrer
>What's wrong with that?
troony redditor detected
What's wrong with taking wiener and hrt?
It's degenerate and disgusting
Now let's talk about why being a troony is wrong
No being a troony is fine. It's liberating and allows you to express yourself and be in touch with who you really are.
troonyshit is a body-negagive affair tho, anyone actually concerned about health and fitness would not engage in that sort of thing.
Universal human rights was an absolute failure because they realized that they couldn't stop slavery in africa and asia and gave up. True universal human rights would condemn africa and asia but liberals don't actually care what you do as long as you're in their pocket
>slaves mostly come from bottom-of-the-barrel illiberal shitholes
>that's proof liberalism doesn't work
No it's just proof that there's still a lot more work that needs to be done before Eurasiatic despotism and desert death cults and their associated problems are isolated and contained
>they realized that they couldn't stop slavery in africa and asia
What exactly do you think the Europeans were doing in Africa? The Berlin Conference of 1884 that divided Africa into pieces and kick started the Scramble for Africa explicitly outlawed the slave trade. No one ever cares to mention that when they b***h about the "evils" of colonialism.
you dont, its their job to do so
You only think there is a problem with ethnocentrism because of your judeo-western cultural upbringing.
>one world ideology clearly pulls away from all the others in terms of achievements
>it's ideology is "don't put too much faith in your own ideology"
the duality of man
>one world ideology clearly pulls away from all the others in terms of achievements
Ideologies don't achieve anything dumb homosexual, people do.
That's just stating the obvious. People deemphasizing their beliefs emphasize their concrete individuality instead, that's why only losers and uneducated lumpenproles in the west ascribe to any kind of ethnocentric mindset while educated and cultured westerners are open minded and curious about other cultures and ideologies and are hesitant to be critical of their negative aspects
>It's me alone against the world
>Now let me take your shit and land and make you second class citizens unless I decide to exterminate you
>NOOOOOO STOP TEAMING UP AGAINST ME THATS NOT FAIR
Discarded.
Its always moral to shit on footfetishists whenever you find them.
Non-whites never developed a universal philosophy of ethics.
Why is white philosophy of ethics based of a a brown israelite?
>How can you criticize cultural practices without being ethnocentric?
Try being credocentric instead
from a biological point of view?
It's actually a manchu tradition not han chinese
manchu independence when
The problem is that a lot of the features of modernity are conflated with 'western culture' by backwards third worlders. As if not treating women like cattle is just a matter of cultural preference.
By not limiting your criticism to a single culture and acknowledging your own culture's bad practices.
For instance, say that Chinese foot binding is a barbaric practice similar to the barbarity of infant circumcision among Judeo-Christian peoples.
infant circumcision has an ostensible health purpose: to protect the infant from associated infections and phimosis as an adult can be very painful. Just ignore the religious kooks lobbying for it on "muh degeneracy" grounds, and ignore all the fat stacks of cash hospitals make by selling foreskins to the cosmetics industry
But footbinding doesn't even have that, it actively hurts the practicioners for purely a status symbol. You'd be better off comparing it to the barbaric practice of growing, selling, and smoking tobacco
>But footbinding doesn't even have that, it actively hurts the practicioners for purely a status symbol.
You know, like earrings (and any form of piercing in general), tattoos, tight corsets,...
Yeah but to a trivial extent. Footbinding flat out cripples the person.
Ear piercings before modern medicine could be fatal, corsets have their reputation as well.
Likewise, the girls who've had it done weren't crippled to any extent within the confines of the life they could expect.
A status symbol doll who simply needs to walk around the home and spends most of her life in her bed does not need to run any marathons. Their feet were not the barrier in life, their whole existence was.
>Likewise, the girls who've had it done weren't crippled to any extent within the confines of the life they could expect.
Yeah but therein lies the problem because what happens if you're a Manchu courtier with crippled tinyfeet and its 1911? It leaves them utterly helpless and utterly dependent upon an existing social order and any shocks to the system could leave them beautifully equipped for a world that no longer exists and sitting ducks in the next one. You can always take out an earring or cover up a tattoo, and in the modern age the risks from those procedures is virtually inconsequential, so they're just not in the same category of body modification. It's one thing if the odd eccentric wants to transform themselves into some kind of freakish lizard-person, it's another thing entirely when you're talking about a stifling conformity culture that every single person is expected to adhere too.
>if you're a Manchu courtier with crippled tinyfeet and its 1911
Bannermen (Manchu, Han, Mongol, Tibetan, even fricking Russians IIRC) did nothing to their feet. That was a custom of the non-Banner Han.
>You can always take out an earring or cover up a tattoo
You can't hide the hole or scar in your ear. You're a woman. It wouldn't be the first or the last system to penalise, possibly fatally, anything like that and without giving you the option to say no.
All body modification is fricked up. You're just trumpeting for your side just like madame Sun would trumpet how her daughter will get her fricked up feet but would be strangled the moment she was even suspect of having a tattoo.
>All body modification is fricked up.
No, some body modification is benign enough that it isn't a big deal. You're making a false equivalence by comparing a milimeter sized hole in a girl's ear that nobody ever had a problem with in history, and comparing it to repeatedly breaking somebody's feet over and over again, causing immense amount of pain, and leaving them unable to function as a normal person. Ethnocentricism is moronic but so is blanket moral relativism.
If you seriously have a problem with earrings you're the strange one out, here
>Ethnocentricism is moronic but so is blanket moral relativism.
You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either some cultures have superior values to others, or they're all the same. So which is it?
somewhere in the middle: most differences are purely cosmetic and matters of taste but some methodologies produce clearly better results than others. However these are marginal differences that ought to be straightened out through trade and cultural exchange. Exclusion and bigotry just makes everyone collectively poorer but that doesn't mean we have to throw ourselves in a cannibal's pot, either.
>However these are marginal differences that ought to be straightened out through trade and cultural exchange
Yes, yes, free trade and a strongly worded letter will certainly convince slavers to free their slaves and worked to stop Chinese lords from smashing the bones in their daughters' feet.
>that nobody ever had a problem with in history
Anon, I would at least accept if we were talking about trains or some shit but how can you go into a thread about Chinese customs and then not know that earrings were a life and death thing at several points in Chinese history.
It's a minor hole to you, a big deal for them. A tattoo meant you were a convict or slave and had to be apprehended by any means necessary.
That's the hole in your argument. "If they fricked up their feet, surely anything -I- find as less damaging was a-okay to them." It simply wasn't. Cue the thread's OP.
>It's a minor hole to you, a big deal for them. A tattoo meant you were a convict or slave and had to be apprehended by any means necessary.
These are cultural customs that in real terms don't harm the human body on a large enough scale to physically inhibit them. Footbinding can not make that claim, that's why you absolutely can not make that comparison.
>the killer corset meme
Please stop spouting bullshit
>infant circumcision has an ostensible health purpose: to protect the infant from associated infections and phimosis as an adult can be very painful.
Ah yes, the billions of non-Jew/Musim/American men suffering from infections and phimosis...
does it harm the individual or society?
>yes
its bad
>uhh, actually, having an ear piercing and wearing some tight clothes is exactly the same as repeatedly breaking the bones in a child's foot and crippling them for life so they can't walk on their own
Moral relativists are literally moronic.
My friend, 19th/early 20th century Corsets literally were destroying the ribcages and abdominal organs of western women. Its the same BS as bound feet was.
Permanent body deformation only happened in the most extreme of tightlacing, not the 99% of women (and men) wearing them. A lot of the horror stories of corseting were invented a generation after they fell out of use, as just another case of "wow look how barbaric the previous generations were, unlike us enlightened people today." It is absolutely not comparable to foot binding that would literally cripple women.
Is within your rights to talk shit about anything relative to china and their provinces, you must side against china even if it hurts your perception of reality. Only the destruction and desolation of the current concept of china will let you achieve human evoution. There is no wrongdoing in telling chinamen that their traditions are close to prehistoric behavior rather than civilization.
Most people on planet earth think that western culture is animalistic and gay FYI
success breeds jealousy
What does jealousy have to do with morality?
>wow look at their nice buildings, they must have a superior understanding of morality!
immorality is the morality of people having a better time than you are
What a random collection of meaningless words.
appeal to biology.
>feet binding is bad because it causes ueven forces on the foot
>cousin marriage is bad because of inbreeding
>mutilation is bad
etc
You can't unless your culture is explicitly based on or around things other than ethnicity. Even then, on a long enough timescale that cultural milleu will form an ethnicity. See the genetic differences between middle eastern Christians and middle eastern Muslims for a good example. As well, cultures defined by things other than ethnicity are nearly always a byproduct of Imperialism. In my eyes, that's one of greatest ironies of our postcolonial postmodern world of anti-racism and world citizenry.
My culture is raping women every hour of the day now is criticizing it being ethnocentric?
Yes.