No public will to see the state succeed, especially since it was a rump state ruled by NATO puppets. Also had the misfortune of being next to a more aggressive neighbor with close regional allies and desire for unification
Its awkward phrasing since NATO itself had nothing to do with South Vietnam, the US had to craft a separate NATO-like organization (SEATO) in a desperate attempt to preserve South Vietnam.
it was a shitshow from the beginning and was never able to fix itself when the US was around to keep it afloat, so when the US, it pretty much just ran on its fumes before the North put it out of its misery
An underrated aspect of this is the economics of it.
The South Vietnamese economy was rekt by having ten years of intense combat and physical insecurity. Who the frick would want to invest in South Vietnam?
So the only industry there really was was US soldiers spending their money there. Once the US left, there was a spiral of hyperinflation as the Vietnamese state was unable to pay for the massive military machine the US had built for them.
When you combine this with the 1973 oil crisis, you have a collapse in military effectiveness, which is how the 1975 offensive succeeded where the 1972 easter offensive was a complete failure.
Not really. Bombing didn't do that much to the North Vietnamese economy because it was never an industrial power to begin with. All of their equipment was coming from somewhere else, and they had a command economy which didn't depend on private investment so much as gibs from the rest of the communist world.
Once they succeeded in reunifying Vietnam and the rest of the communist world stopped giving a shit about them, the bottom fell out of their economy, but before that point, they were pretty impervious to the economic effects of the war.
Nixon pulled out since North-Vietnam was basically a flattened wasteland at that point, and the VC’s had lost the ability for offensive operation after the tet offensive, he promised them Bullet-For-Bullet, Helmet for Helmet, Chinock for Chinock to go to the ARVN for everything they lost.
Then Nixon got impeached, the congress refused to pass Fords proposal to airlift the more guns, and the NVA / VC swarmed them.
This is a cope. North Vietnam controlled a third of South Vietnam when the last US troops left in 1973, and the treaty allowed them to keep all of the land they had conquered up to that point.
Not that it mattered given that the shooting didn't even pause at any point.
Congress appropriated 800 million to South Vietnam instead of the 2 billion that the administration asked for, and revisionist historians pretend that that was why South Vietnam fell and not the decades of weak, corrupt government before that.
I've been to Vietnam. South Viets are gays and you can treat them however you like, their 1st instinct in confrontation is to back down or runaway. North Viets are tougher, they're much more aggressive and if you treat them wrong they'll return the favour. People can cope with the higher abstraction of government, diplomacy, logistics all they want but at the end of the day North Viets are made of harder stuffs than South Viets. It's destiny that the more sissy south loses. You can see the north Viet shine over their southern kin in whatever chad activity you can think of, namely sports. I was in the country when they won a football tournament and guess where most of the players come from? North Vietnam of course
Based take
Diem himself knew this. He knew actively strong-arming his own people was the only way they would fall in line. Madame Nhu was unironically based for her comments about those monk homosexuals
Diem was a moron and most of the South's issues could've been avoided if the frickwit just stepped down and allowed some sort of face-saving democratic transition, instead of the clown car of coups that followed his own death
try a few hundred years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%AA%E2%80%93M%E1%BA%A1c_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%E1%BB%8Bnh%E2%80%93Nguy%E1%BB%85n_War
>People can cope with the higher abstraction of government, diplomacy, logistics all they want but at the end of the day North Viets are made of harder stuffs than South Viets. It's destiny that the more sissy south loses.
I think that's a historic thing with repeating invasions from the north unifiying the south going back to the Đại Việt in the 10th century if not earlier. (I need to read more Vietnamese history.) I follow one Vietnamese communist from the north (Luna Oi) who supports the government and is "sweet" on the outside but will talk shit. The other day she posted pics of her drawings she made of her professor in Marxism-Leninism class in college which she thought was boring but is regretful now because she's now translating her college textbooks on Hi Chi Minh Thought into English.
>I was in the country when they won a football tournament and guess where most of the players come from? North Vietnam of course
Military too I imagine. The north seems more statist.
Apparently they don't love democracy to the point of dying for it.
Reminder that commie suffered from all forms of torture when the frog and mutt were still there.
South Vietnam was an utter troony of a nation state: >purely unnatural entity >propped up by israelites >can't survive without constant validation and support >rotted from within from infection through a route cut into it
No public will to see the state succeed, especially since it was a rump state ruled by NATO puppets. Also had the misfortune of being next to a more aggressive neighbor with close regional allies and desire for unification
>NATO
>South Vietnam
wew lad
>puppets
please stop pretending to be moronic
Its awkward phrasing since NATO itself had nothing to do with South Vietnam, the US had to craft a separate NATO-like organization (SEATO) in a desperate attempt to preserve South Vietnam.
>they lost
lol
"lol" doing a lot of work in this post
>US and France
>not NATO
Learn to read you moronic smug homosexual
Good soldiers lead by incompetence and corruption
>Good soldiers
Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.
Henry Kissinger
it was a shitshow from the beginning and was never able to fix itself when the US was around to keep it afloat, so when the US, it pretty much just ran on its fumes before the North put it out of its misery
An underrated aspect of this is the economics of it.
The South Vietnamese economy was rekt by having ten years of intense combat and physical insecurity. Who the frick would want to invest in South Vietnam?
So the only industry there really was was US soldiers spending their money there. Once the US left, there was a spiral of hyperinflation as the Vietnamese state was unable to pay for the massive military machine the US had built for them.
When you combine this with the 1973 oil crisis, you have a collapse in military effectiveness, which is how the 1975 offensive succeeded where the 1972 easter offensive was a complete failure.
Wouldn't the north have the exact same issue though, but worse due to the heavier volume of bombing?
Not really. Bombing didn't do that much to the North Vietnamese economy because it was never an industrial power to begin with. All of their equipment was coming from somewhere else, and they had a command economy which didn't depend on private investment so much as gibs from the rest of the communist world.
Once they succeeded in reunifying Vietnam and the rest of the communist world stopped giving a shit about them, the bottom fell out of their economy, but before that point, they were pretty impervious to the economic effects of the war.
The best job in south Vietnam was working on US supply bases since you could steal so much stuff
Nixon pulled out since North-Vietnam was basically a flattened wasteland at that point, and the VC’s had lost the ability for offensive operation after the tet offensive, he promised them Bullet-For-Bullet, Helmet for Helmet, Chinock for Chinock to go to the ARVN for everything they lost.
Then Nixon got impeached, the congress refused to pass Fords proposal to airlift the more guns, and the NVA / VC swarmed them.
This is a cope. North Vietnam controlled a third of South Vietnam when the last US troops left in 1973, and the treaty allowed them to keep all of the land they had conquered up to that point.
Not that it mattered given that the shooting didn't even pause at any point.
Congress appropriated 800 million to South Vietnam instead of the 2 billion that the administration asked for, and revisionist historians pretend that that was why South Vietnam fell and not the decades of weak, corrupt government before that.
>North-Vietnam was basically a flattened wasteland at that point
You can’t seriously believe this
American generals still believe this. The Strategic bombing meme never died.
>strategic
lmfao
The american military must spend at least 3/4’s of their budget on copium
They already memoryholed Afghanistan
I've been to Vietnam. South Viets are gays and you can treat them however you like, their 1st instinct in confrontation is to back down or runaway. North Viets are tougher, they're much more aggressive and if you treat them wrong they'll return the favour. People can cope with the higher abstraction of government, diplomacy, logistics all they want but at the end of the day North Viets are made of harder stuffs than South Viets. It's destiny that the more sissy south loses. You can see the north Viet shine over their southern kin in whatever chad activity you can think of, namely sports. I was in the country when they won a football tournament and guess where most of the players come from? North Vietnam of course
Based take
Diem himself knew this. He knew actively strong-arming his own people was the only way they would fall in line. Madame Nhu was unironically based for her comments about those monk homosexuals
Diem was a moron and most of the South's issues could've been avoided if the frickwit just stepped down and allowed some sort of face-saving democratic transition, instead of the clown car of coups that followed his own death
Is there really a substantial cultural difference between North and South Vietnam? They were only divided for thirty years
try a few hundred years
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%AA%E2%80%93M%E1%BA%A1c_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tr%E1%BB%8Bnh%E2%80%93Nguy%E1%BB%85n_War
wow, hyperlinks are very unfriendly to Vietnamese characters lmao
>People can cope with the higher abstraction of government, diplomacy, logistics all they want but at the end of the day North Viets are made of harder stuffs than South Viets. It's destiny that the more sissy south loses.
I think that's a historic thing with repeating invasions from the north unifiying the south going back to the Đại Việt in the 10th century if not earlier. (I need to read more Vietnamese history.) I follow one Vietnamese communist from the north (Luna Oi) who supports the government and is "sweet" on the outside but will talk shit. The other day she posted pics of her drawings she made of her professor in Marxism-Leninism class in college which she thought was boring but is regretful now because she's now translating her college textbooks on Hi Chi Minh Thought into English.
>I was in the country when they won a football tournament and guess where most of the players come from? North Vietnam of course
Military too I imagine. The north seems more statist.
For bonus points how many stripes are on that flag?
Apparently they don't love democracy to the point of dying for it.
Reminder that commie suffered from all forms of torture when the frog and mutt were still there.
Nice elections. :^)
South Vietnam should uironically been turned in to a direct controlled US colony
Japan and Philippine?
Yes instead of pretending that the pupets run it as an independet country
South Vietnam was an utter troony of a nation state:
>purely unnatural entity
>propped up by israelites
>can't survive without constant validation and support
>rotted from within from infection through a route cut into it
Sounds like modern day Ukraine
lol
Kek
A fake state set up by America with no popular support
France actually, Mutts just took over its caretaking 4 free.
still better track record than afghanistan, lmao
It was a zombie regime run by morons that wpuld have collapsed far earlier if USA hadn’t held it up by the armpits.
And how long did the Afghanistan puppet regime last after Americans left? lol