The same way they managed to conquer them in the first place, by pitting their enemies against each other so they wouldn't unite in opposition against the Ottoman Empire.
It took the Ottomans 220 years to subjugate a peninsula mired in the fall-out of three imperial states, that of Greeks, Serbs, and Bulgarians, and then, their conquest was not complete, since MonteBlack and Hapsburg Croatia resisted them.
Note that it did it with minimal resources and while being grossly outnumbered, and it did so as the lengthiest uninterrupted single power in history to hold that land, 500-700 years.
By the time the Ottomans took Adrianople, they spanned over most of Anatolia, one of the most densely populated parts of the world at the time, and the conquest of the peninsula included hundreds of thousands of men on both sides just in the case of Serbo-Ottoman wars, let alone the rest of them, and Ottoman rule lasted for, at best, 450 years.
They held the majority of Anatolia (and not just that, but nearly all of the SE Europe's East) by the time they've started threatening Moravian Serbia, meaning the late 14th century.
They lasted for 452 years, not 700, and accusing me of lying, while persistently lying is beyond stupid, even by MENA standards.
>and they routinely defeated their enemies despite being outnumbered 50 to 1.
At Maritza, which is the only battle where they were vastly outnumbered, they burned thousands of men alive in their sleep, whereas in other battles, like Plocnik, Bileca, where they've outnumbered their enemies, they were soundly defeated.
3 years ago
Türk
Why do you cope? They clearly didn’t have most of Anatolia until the 1420s. In fact half of their 1453-Anatolian gains were from 1450-1452.
3 years ago
Svetovid
>stating facts is coping
By the end closing decades of the 14th century, most of Anatolia was theirs, not even Turkish nationalist revisionists like Danishmend deny it, so what is your stake in it?
The Ottomans quite literally waged a 130-years long war with Medieval Serbia alone, what you're referring to are mere feudal territories governed by nobles who sought to undermine the authority of their rulers. You could potentially make a massive leap in logic and make such a claim for Stephen Lazarevic, but even he was vassalized at first, his younger brothers and sisters were seized as hostages, thus the reason why he fought at Nicopolis and Ankara, after the latter battle, he revoked his status, and ruled the Serbian Despotate as a sovereign ruler.
3 years ago
Türk
This is simply not true. Most of Anatolia was not Ottoman until the 1420s. Ottomans took most of the south Balkans before they took Anatolia. Selanik/Edirne/Kosovo conquest are before the Ankara conquest.
3 years ago
Anonymous
Dont forget they lost their Anatolian holdings due to Timur sticking his dick into their eyesocket
3 years ago
Türk
Yes that’s a good point. The ottomans suffered a catastrophic setback that would have ended most empires right then and there, and instead, they bounce back stronger than ever 10 years later. They only really went after Anatolia after the Battle of Ankara and subsequent Interregum.
3 years ago
Svetovid
Most of Anatolia was already Ottoman-ruled by the beginning of the 15th century, whereas the majority of Southeastern Europe would be seized right before, and after the Varna Crusade, and Kosovo was still part of the Despotate of Serbia right up until it was conquered in 1459, the first Ottoman census for Kosovo occurs only in the later stages of the 15th century, not before.
3 years ago
Türk
Battle of Ankara (1402)
The battle began with a large-scale attack from the Ottomans, countered by swarms of arrows from the Timurid horse archers. Several thousand were killed and many surrendered to Timur. Stefan Lazarević and his knights together with Wallachian forces successfully fought off the Timurid assaults and cut through the Mongol ranks three times. Each time Stefan advised Bayezid to break out with him, Bayezid declined to do so. But the Serbians managed to save one of Bayezid's sons and the treasury from the Mongols and made their way to Constantinople. The Serbian troops wore heavy black plate armour which was very effective against the Timurid arrows. Timur admired the Serbian troops who according to him "fight like lions". During the battle the main water supply of both armies, Çubuk creek, was diverted to an off-stream reservoir near the town of Çubuk by Timur, which left the Ottoman army with no water. The final battle took place at Catal hill, dominating the Çubuk valley. The Ottoman army, both thirsty and tired, was defeated, though Bayezid managed to escape to the nearby mountains with a few hundred horsemen. However, Timur had the mountains surrounded and, heavily outnumbering Bayezid, soon captured him. He died in captivity three months later. Already heavily outnumbered, the Ottoman army was further weakened by the desertion of the Black Tatars and the Sipahis from the Anatolian beyliks, who left Bayezid's side and joined Timur's forces.[16]
Thanks Serbia.
Also why are you so insistent on your wrong POV? It is a verifiable fact that Edirne/Selanik/Kosovo conquests predate Ankara conquest.
3 years ago
Svetovid
>It is a verifiable fact that Edirne/Selanik/Kosovo conquests predate Ankara conquest
Kosovo was the integral territory of the Serbian Despotate and even survived as part of the Serbian Despotate up until its conquest in 1459.
>you so insistent on your wrong POV
My point of view is based on European, Serbian, and even primary POV, I've no idea how Turks interpret it.
>thanks Serbia.
Indeed.
3 years ago
Türk
> even primary POV
Did you have a dream telling you that the Ottomans conquered Anatolia before the Balkans?
Also, the rest of your post is straight up lies. They lasted 700 years, and they routinely defeated their enemies despite being outnumbered 50 to 1.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Maritsa
>with minimal resources and while being grossly outnumbered
what? the ottomans were the rising star in the area when their conquest really kicked off. how can you even try to paint them as an underdog without a shred of shame when they were wrapping up the beatdown of one long worn empire and mopping up the recently broken down remnants of another?
Luck, every balkan state either working with the Ottomans together or not even fighting back, superb state administration wich allowed them to match and outnumber almost every crusade, great sultans wich werent bumfrick moronic and again every single balkan state outside of maybe Bosnia cooperated with the Ottomans and its not hard to conquer a people wich greet you with arms open and hate your rivals even more then you do
Sort of. The Balkan people preferred Ottoman rule. Make of that what you will. Many of the Balkan states were powerful entities who could defeat anyone in the period, including England or France or the northern Spanish realms, but they lost resoundingly to the Ottomans. Some of the aristocrats Embraced the ottomans, some didn’t. The pope certainly did not.
The Hungarians, PLC (Poland), and HRE were also great powers of the period. Stronger than England or France. They had their chance early on too, at Varna (1444) and lost resoundingly.
Imagine a new tech company that 10x’s every 5 years. That is the Ottoman Empire. Now imagine some strong legacy boomer company that makes like 2% gains a year, that’s the legacy kingdoms of the Balkans and Europe.
Under the reign of Suleiman the Magnificent (1494-1566), the Ottoman Empire marked the peak of its power. He was the longest-reigning Sultan of the Ottoman Empire from 1520 until his death in 1566. He oversaw the "Golden" age of the Ottoman Empire in its artistic, literary and architectural development
The other Ottoman flank assaulted the Hungarians and Bulgarians of Michael Szilagyi. Their push was stopped and turned back; then Sipahis attacked again. Hunyadi decided to help and advised Władysław to wait until he returned; then advanced with two cavalry companies. The young king, ignoring Hunyadi's advice, rushed 500 of his Polish knights against the Ottoman center. They attempted to overrun the Janissary infantry and take Murad prisoner, and almost succeeded, but in front of Murad's tent Władysław's horse either fell into a trap or was stabbed, and the king was slain by mercenary Kodja Hazar, who beheaded him while doing so.[16] The remaining coalition cavalry were demoralized and defeated by the Ottomans.
On his return, Hunyadi tried frantically to salvage the king's body, but all he could accomplish was to organize the retreat of the remains of his army; it suffered thousands of casualties in the chaos, and was virtually annihilated. Neither the head nor body of the king were ever found. The minnesinger Michael Beheim wrote a song based on the story of Hans Mergest who spent 16 years in Ottoman captivity after the battle.
Struggling in their heavy armor, they reached the plateau on the top of the slope, where they had expected to find fleeing Turkish forces, but instead found themselves facing a fresh corps of sipahis, whom Bayezid had kept in reserve. As the sipahis surged forward in the counterattack sounding trumpets, banging kettle drums and yelling "God is greater!", the desperation of their situation was readily apparent to the French and some knights broke and fled back down the slope. The rest fought on "no frothing boar nor enraged wolf more fiercely," in the words of one contemporary chronicler. Admiral de Vienne, to whom was granted the honor as the eldest knight of carrying the French standard into battle, was wounded many times as he attempted to rally the morale of his countrymen, before being struck down. Other notable knights who were slain include Jean de Carrouges, Philippe de Bar, and Odard de Chasseron.
Timur leaves, the Ottoman princes have a 10 year civil war, Prince Mehmet (soon Mehmet I) wins. Backed by Stefan Lazerevic btw. Mehmet then faces a huge (proto) communist social revolt led by Anatolian Turks.
= Furthermore, as a result of the Battle of Ankara and other civil wars, the population of the empire had become unstable and traumatized. A very powerful social and religious movement arose in the empire and became disruptive. The movement was led by Sheikh Bedreddin (1359–1420), a famous Muslim Sufi and charismatic theologian
>Balkans
the most undesirable lands
What ever drugs you are doing... I never want to try them or be around people experimenting with them.
The strong shall dominate the weak
The same way they managed to conquer them in the first place, by pitting their enemies against each other so they wouldn't unite in opposition against the Ottoman Empire.
It took the Ottomans 220 years to subjugate a peninsula mired in the fall-out of three imperial states, that of Greeks, Serbs, and Bulgarians, and then, their conquest was not complete, since MonteBlack and Hapsburg Croatia resisted them.
Are you from Zena?
Why the name?
Global taunt that agitates lesser men and makes the seething more virulent.
He's a self-important wanker as you can see here:
o-osman b-bulls...
Note that it did it with minimal resources and while being grossly outnumbered, and it did so as the lengthiest uninterrupted single power in history to hold that land, 500-700 years.
By the time the Ottomans took Adrianople, they spanned over most of Anatolia, one of the most densely populated parts of the world at the time, and the conquest of the peninsula included hundreds of thousands of men on both sides just in the case of Serbo-Ottoman wars, let alone the rest of them, and Ottoman rule lasted for, at best, 450 years.
No. They only held the upper northwest corner.
They held the majority of Anatolia (and not just that, but nearly all of the SE Europe's East) by the time they've started threatening Moravian Serbia, meaning the late 14th century.
They lasted for 452 years, not 700, and accusing me of lying, while persistently lying is beyond stupid, even by MENA standards.
>and they routinely defeated their enemies despite being outnumbered 50 to 1.
At Maritza, which is the only battle where they were vastly outnumbered, they burned thousands of men alive in their sleep, whereas in other battles, like Plocnik, Bileca, where they've outnumbered their enemies, they were soundly defeated.
Why do you cope? They clearly didn’t have most of Anatolia until the 1420s. In fact half of their 1453-Anatolian gains were from 1450-1452.
>stating facts is coping
By the end closing decades of the 14th century, most of Anatolia was theirs, not even Turkish nationalist revisionists like Danishmend deny it, so what is your stake in it?
The Ottomans quite literally waged a 130-years long war with Medieval Serbia alone, what you're referring to are mere feudal territories governed by nobles who sought to undermine the authority of their rulers. You could potentially make a massive leap in logic and make such a claim for Stephen Lazarevic, but even he was vassalized at first, his younger brothers and sisters were seized as hostages, thus the reason why he fought at Nicopolis and Ankara, after the latter battle, he revoked his status, and ruled the Serbian Despotate as a sovereign ruler.
This is simply not true. Most of Anatolia was not Ottoman until the 1420s. Ottomans took most of the south Balkans before they took Anatolia. Selanik/Edirne/Kosovo conquest are before the Ankara conquest.
Dont forget they lost their Anatolian holdings due to Timur sticking his dick into their eyesocket
Yes that’s a good point. The ottomans suffered a catastrophic setback that would have ended most empires right then and there, and instead, they bounce back stronger than ever 10 years later. They only really went after Anatolia after the Battle of Ankara and subsequent Interregum.
Most of Anatolia was already Ottoman-ruled by the beginning of the 15th century, whereas the majority of Southeastern Europe would be seized right before, and after the Varna Crusade, and Kosovo was still part of the Despotate of Serbia right up until it was conquered in 1459, the first Ottoman census for Kosovo occurs only in the later stages of the 15th century, not before.
Battle of Ankara (1402)
The battle began with a large-scale attack from the Ottomans, countered by swarms of arrows from the Timurid horse archers. Several thousand were killed and many surrendered to Timur. Stefan Lazarević and his knights together with Wallachian forces successfully fought off the Timurid assaults and cut through the Mongol ranks three times. Each time Stefan advised Bayezid to break out with him, Bayezid declined to do so. But the Serbians managed to save one of Bayezid's sons and the treasury from the Mongols and made their way to Constantinople. The Serbian troops wore heavy black plate armour which was very effective against the Timurid arrows. Timur admired the Serbian troops who according to him "fight like lions". During the battle the main water supply of both armies, Çubuk creek, was diverted to an off-stream reservoir near the town of Çubuk by Timur, which left the Ottoman army with no water. The final battle took place at Catal hill, dominating the Çubuk valley. The Ottoman army, both thirsty and tired, was defeated, though Bayezid managed to escape to the nearby mountains with a few hundred horsemen. However, Timur had the mountains surrounded and, heavily outnumbering Bayezid, soon captured him. He died in captivity three months later. Already heavily outnumbered, the Ottoman army was further weakened by the desertion of the Black Tatars and the Sipahis from the Anatolian beyliks, who left Bayezid's side and joined Timur's forces.[16]
Thanks Serbia.
Also why are you so insistent on your wrong POV? It is a verifiable fact that Edirne/Selanik/Kosovo conquests predate Ankara conquest.
>It is a verifiable fact that Edirne/Selanik/Kosovo conquests predate Ankara conquest
Kosovo was the integral territory of the Serbian Despotate and even survived as part of the Serbian Despotate up until its conquest in 1459.
>you so insistent on your wrong POV
My point of view is based on European, Serbian, and even primary POV, I've no idea how Turks interpret it.
>thanks Serbia.
Indeed.
> even primary POV
Did you have a dream telling you that the Ottomans conquered Anatolia before the Balkans?
Also, the rest of your post is straight up lies. They lasted 700 years, and they routinely defeated their enemies despite being outnumbered 50 to 1.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Maritsa
>with minimal resources and while being grossly outnumbered
what? the ottomans were the rising star in the area when their conquest really kicked off. how can you even try to paint them as an underdog without a shred of shame when they were wrapping up the beatdown of one long worn empire and mopping up the recently broken down remnants of another?
Muslims have an obsession with portraying themselves as the underdog in their history, to valorize themselves to the point of no return.
>the ottomans were the rising star in the area
they were a tiny beylik
In the late 13th century, yes, whereas a rising empire in the early-to-mid 14th, keep the taqiyya to a minimum.
Balkan countries were smaller than the Ottoman base for manpower.
Greek Naval Assistants
lol
Why not? They're ethnic Europeans and Europeans had been making strong empires for centuries.
European powers didn't let Russia stamo them out becuase they were insecure/assblasted that Russia had become too big
Because until Vienna they didn't encounter an actual empire to fight.
And who is this actual empire, The Holy Roman Empire, a laughably inept state which consisted of several galaxies worth of mini-states?
Luck, every balkan state either working with the Ottomans together or not even fighting back, superb state administration wich allowed them to match and outnumber almost every crusade, great sultans wich werent bumfrick moronic and again every single balkan state outside of maybe Bosnia cooperated with the Ottomans and its not hard to conquer a people wich greet you with arms open and hate your rivals even more then you do
Sort of. The Balkan people preferred Ottoman rule. Make of that what you will. Many of the Balkan states were powerful entities who could defeat anyone in the period, including England or France or the northern Spanish realms, but they lost resoundingly to the Ottomans. Some of the aristocrats Embraced the ottomans, some didn’t. The pope certainly did not.
>Many of the Balkan states were powerful entities who could defeat anyone in the period, including England or France or the northern Spanish realms
Yes. They fielded 30-50,000 or more heavily armed cavalry + infantry.
At Nicopolis, the English, German, and French knights had their own chance and lost resoundingly.
Might be referring to Hungarians?
The Hungarians, PLC (Poland), and HRE were also great powers of the period. Stronger than England or France. They had their chance early on too, at Varna (1444) and lost resoundingly.
Imagine a new tech company that 10x’s every 5 years. That is the Ottoman Empire. Now imagine some strong legacy boomer company that makes like 2% gains a year, that’s the legacy kingdoms of the Balkans and Europe.
Under the reign of Suleiman the Magnificent (1494-1566), the Ottoman Empire marked the peak of its power. He was the longest-reigning Sultan of the Ottoman Empire from 1520 until his death in 1566. He oversaw the "Golden" age of the Ottoman Empire in its artistic, literary and architectural development
The other Ottoman flank assaulted the Hungarians and Bulgarians of Michael Szilagyi. Their push was stopped and turned back; then Sipahis attacked again. Hunyadi decided to help and advised Władysław to wait until he returned; then advanced with two cavalry companies. The young king, ignoring Hunyadi's advice, rushed 500 of his Polish knights against the Ottoman center. They attempted to overrun the Janissary infantry and take Murad prisoner, and almost succeeded, but in front of Murad's tent Władysław's horse either fell into a trap or was stabbed, and the king was slain by mercenary Kodja Hazar, who beheaded him while doing so.[16] The remaining coalition cavalry were demoralized and defeated by the Ottomans.
On his return, Hunyadi tried frantically to salvage the king's body, but all he could accomplish was to organize the retreat of the remains of his army; it suffered thousands of casualties in the chaos, and was virtually annihilated. Neither the head nor body of the king were ever found. The minnesinger Michael Beheim wrote a song based on the story of Hans Mergest who spent 16 years in Ottoman captivity after the battle.
Nicopolis, the French
Struggling in their heavy armor, they reached the plateau on the top of the slope, where they had expected to find fleeing Turkish forces, but instead found themselves facing a fresh corps of sipahis, whom Bayezid had kept in reserve. As the sipahis surged forward in the counterattack sounding trumpets, banging kettle drums and yelling "God is greater!", the desperation of their situation was readily apparent to the French and some knights broke and fled back down the slope. The rest fought on "no frothing boar nor enraged wolf more fiercely," in the words of one contemporary chronicler. Admiral de Vienne, to whom was granted the honor as the eldest knight of carrying the French standard into battle, was wounded many times as he attempted to rally the morale of his countrymen, before being struck down. Other notable knights who were slain include Jean de Carrouges, Philippe de Bar, and Odard de Chasseron.
Timur leaves, the Ottoman princes have a 10 year civil war, Prince Mehmet (soon Mehmet I) wins. Backed by Stefan Lazerevic btw. Mehmet then faces a huge (proto) communist social revolt led by Anatolian Turks.
= Furthermore, as a result of the Battle of Ankara and other civil wars, the population of the empire had become unstable and traumatized. A very powerful social and religious movement arose in the empire and became disruptive. The movement was led by Sheikh Bedreddin (1359–1420), a famous Muslim Sufi and charismatic theologian
In total, ruling 10 years before dying.