How did the Portuguese missionaries react when they reached China and saw this?
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How did the Portuguese missionaries react when they reached China and saw this?
How did the Portuguese missionaries react when they reached China and saw this?
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The road and "checkpoint" gate look advanced. Are you in agreement that it looks super advanced? I think it is advanced.
Also that movie scene is super blue. I like it more than the bland-looking movies that don't have color casts.
I think it should be illegal to use blue / dull filters on period piece movies. Ridley Scott's Napoleon and The Last Duel were extremely dull in colour and medieval and Napoleonic Europe were incredibly vibrant with their dyes and textiles. Also, France is a sunny country.
Napoleon did go overboard on the dull filter. But every movie needs some color filter. We do not want a war movie that looks like Home Alone (no color cast), for example. Movies should be immersive and realistic, and adding color filters helps with that.
imagine the smell
probably smells like rotting fish like every street in Asia
Have you been there? Prove that it smells.
you ever been to an asian supermarket? smells just like that except everywhere all the time
I was asking if you have been to one. I've never been to one.
>he's never been to an Asian supermarket
I envy you
Nod really
When I was in china 2015, everywhere there was this sweet shampoo like chemical smell that you could even taste with your mouth.
It smells like dried spices, dusty pages of decades old books and running water (because of all the fish tanks). In the cities it's much much worse in some sections when it's close to broken apartments but the local Sunday markets doesn't smell bad at all.
>gets completely conquered by 250k Manchuds, the population of just one of 100 cities alone
That's cuz they lost the Mandate of Heaven because they stopped taxing foreskins.
The Portuguese would probably be amazed by the sight of China. China was the largest economy in the world at that time. And its infrastructure, as judged by OP's picture was orders of magnitude more advanced than backwater sh*thole Japan and Korea's infrastructure.
>China was the largest economy in the world at that time.
China was poorer than it is now. Counting hordes of peasants of course makes a large GDP figure, but it's GDP per capita was shit like any other agrarian society. Portugal was far richer.
This movie takes place in the 1630s. Europeans were just beginning to not be christcuck chuds, so this secular advanced empire of 250 million people would have looked incredible to them.
Last I checked the people doing to Asia were mostly Jesuits, buddy. Are you now going to admit you were wrong?
Europe was so ahead of the rest of the world by 1630 what are you saying
China looked to them as a potential future colony
Here's an example of an early medieval Chinese city. As you can see, it surpasses sh*thole Japan and Korea in all aspects.
They went from being so spread out and geometrical to endless skyscraper anthills a la Kowloon?
Fortunately they are seeing a return to tradition. China has banned skyscrapers over 500m. Also they have been tearing down their commie blocs and restoring neighborhoods to atleast look chinese even if its a modern rendition. Picrel is a rebuilt neighborhood.
zoom in and you see and hear the sounds of men screaming and waving knives at each other, old grandpas spitting on the street, mothers screaming at children, and chicken intestines and goblets frying in gutter oil while most of them plan to find ways out to Australia or Canada through their sons trying to short stocks in Shanghai
Kino
only the haidilao dance makes life bearable
It has been shown that during the day those buildings in China look mediocre. SHOW a photograph of those buildings during the day.
The image i sent was of the initial image at night. They are the same town, Jimo city.
Gee willikers, how was I supposed to know that!
In all fairness I should have stated the names of the town but my hands were tired, so forgive me. Also the gate tower is present in both images so you know im not memeing.
It looks like a low security prison
t. Amerishart that lives in concrete paved hell getting blasted in the face with car ass gas every waking moment of his existence
Turns out grids are efficient and people knew this 2000 years ago. Centralizing everything just creates massive traffic jams, so instead you create discrete districts, and neighborhoods within those districts, which contain the jobs, homes, markets, and amenities that people travel to. If you limit the size of the buildings in each neighborhood then you don't wind up with a situation where one district employs like 50% of the city, so everybody from every district is forced to commute there for work, which in turn means that district has to hold an overwhelming amount of the amenities as well, which further compounds the traffic issue.
looks a bit depressing, but hopefully the people will add color to it
the chinese are obsessed with putting lights onto everything
makes your wonder why it isnt them who invented the light bulb
Funny enough, though they werent the ones to create light bulbs they were arguably the first to have cities with a night life. The song and to some extent the tang had vibrant city nights with lamps being placed everywhere in the commercial and pleasure districts. A view like picrel was quite common.
How is that relevant? Ancient/medieval cities were universally spread out more, unless modern cities that use more floors. For the time the city in the image was one of the most advanced.
designed by an american of course
Better than your sh*thole Europoor “walk friendly” streets.
Is that Sydney and Vancouver?
haha good one
>Here's an example of an early medieval Chinese city.
that's not a medieval chinese city that's my Empire Rise of the Middle Kingdom playthrought
Those beautiful streets would've been covered in shit, unlike in medieval Europe
Proof? The larger a street is, the less shit there is per square foot.
>Here's an example of an early medieval Chinese city. As you can see, it surpasses sh*thole Japan and Korea in all aspects.
Agreed.
Here's another things that shows that feudal Japan didn't have sh*t on China.
This photo shows the walls of Beijing sometime in the 1870s.
Another one:
Observe the immense scale.
>big is better
Sasuga Chinamen with their African mentality
Did you get triggered by its size? Are you intimidated by bigness? Perhaps it is because you have a small peen.
Bigness is important for cities. City walls must be big to assist in sieges.
>le big walls
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Sino-Japanese_War
All those big walls, and they failed to fricking defend you against Japan. What's the point, then?
Why are you using an example from the most period when walls like this were finally obsolete?
Because you showed me a picture that was taken when the walls had become completely obsolete? They were cool walls back when they had an actual use, true, but by the time the photo was taken they were basically worthless.
>big is better
Regarding defense walls, it absolutely is.
What's even your point, you moron?
What animal are those? Are they camels? Why are they so short?
Shorter than your mother in fact.
Feudal Japan was also a sh*thole in that it was FEUDAL. Duh! A centralized government instantly trumps a feudal government. Therefore, China>Japan.
The Poortugeese would have seen the centralized Chinese government favorably. It would have been seen as nice---big time, buddy.
Seriously, what was any good about feudal sh*thole Japan? Can anyone provide examples of Japan being good at anything during its feudal period?
>Can anyone provide examples of Japan being good at anything during its feudal period?
Not eating civilians
There are plenty of things they were good at, though not necessarily at an institutional level. The japanese had a very skilled work force and knowledge of western technologies that allowed them to produce automatons of their own designs (Tanaka Hisashige comes to mind). The japanese tried and practically succeeded with replicating Hua Tuo's Mafeisan and used it in surgery (Hanaoka Seishu). The Shosoin preserved many artifacts from around east asia to this day, no small achievement. Atleast in the cities they had unusually high literacy rates and a thriving book culture that dates back to the heian. Their cartography was arguably the best out of the east asian powers post 17th century. I hope this was a genuine inquiry.
Literacy in cities doesn't matter when 90% of the population is living in sh*thole subsistence farmer living conditions.
It does when a technologically advanced foreign power comes knocking on your doorstep. It was because of the relatively high literacy that the japanese were able to organize so quickly. Most of the east asian states avoided flatout colonizations because of their organizational ability.
Probably why Africa was so slow to develop.
Parts of Africa developed. On the whole it’s still Stone Age with cellphones.
not a missionary, but this guy was impressed.
>"I have not told half of what I saw."
He was actually talking about roided hairy men in the hymalayan protecting a giant tree producing blue resin
why are people in this thread chimping out against Japan when China is the topic and nobody mentioned Japan before them?
some random chinese schizo thats been here before seething about koreans or something
> yeah, I mean it's pretty cool I guess
This like does OP think Europe didn't have big buildings or something
Chinese buildings didn't even have glass windows
Albeit not very common; the chinese did have glass windows (reserved for the rich).
Those are paper windows. Google it. Paper was usual in East Asian windows.
Those are stained glass windows. I am aware that paper windows were the norm. I am saying it is innaccurate to say they had no glass ones. This was a photo from John Thompson circa 1870 from Illustrations of China and its People - Vol. IV.
>circa 1870
By then they were importing European technology to try and industrialize (poorly).
I don't think China was even close to even attempting to Industrialize in the 1870s. Even in the 1940s China was not industrializing.
Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and Bill Clinton all made big efforts to industrialize China.
I'm referring to
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-Strengthening_Movement
They could have installed the windows later just like how the current Great Wall was built during the Ming, not the Qin
More than likely the stained glass window was a rare novelty. It very well could have been installed later but that was not the point I was trying to construe. The anon stated the chinese didnt have buildings with glass windows. Its like stating imperial rome didnt have silk garments because they didn't produce it (they did have access to some wild silks but exceptionally rare, they imported all their silk). The chinese did produce glass it just wasnt common and even more uncommon for use in windows. I felt that the intention of the post was to be reductionist with chinese technological capabilities. I replied to simply refute the claim. I just dislike dishonesty.
Anon... I dont know how to explain this but, you know the building wasnt made when the picture was made right? And yes more than likely they did import some glass. Its for the same reasons why the europeans imported porcelain, silk, spices, etc; they wanted stuff they didnt have in quantity or quality. The image was to rebuttle the claim that china had no buildings with glass windows. This was one such example of likely multiple which disproves the notion.
Europe certainly did have large buildings, I am guessing the OP's point is the shock that there were other civilizations that were capable of doing the same (and this is somehow unexpected despite persia,india, and china existing). The chinese did produce some colossal constructs. Some of their city gates rivaling the sizes of entire european castles (castles on average are pretty small thoughever).
I think the more impressive feats of the chinese was not the size of their palaces but the materials they built stuff out of. The feihong pagoda which survives today is one of the remaining porcelain pagodas. There are also remnant pagodas made of iron which date back to the tang. Building architecture out of metal was not really common back in 700ad. Picrel is a surviving metal building in the summer palace made of bronze.
Europe knew about the Middle Kingdom since Rome was a thing and they knew it was a great and powerful empire in its own right.
"Oh, so you guys are like the Rome of the orient" would probably have been the reaction of everyone due to both having the hallmarks of great civilizations in history, architecture, organization and great works of literature.
Then cultural revolution happened and basically destroyed the link between past and present in order to pave way for famines, barbarism, poverty and escalators that eat people.
Are you suggesting the preposterous notion that Europe in say 1000 AD remembered what China was like? Ridiculous.
Ancient civilizations have great heritage to pass on. They knew that China had a great and ancient civilization even if they didn't exactly visit often, so it stands to reason that unless razed to the ground, much of it would still be there.
I wonder why the europeans didnt seem to fawn over indian constructions as much as chinas. India had some pretty tolkein tier palace complexes.
Now post Europe in 800 AD when China was having their Tang Dynasty.
NTA but the portuguese contact with China was during the ming and qing periods. By then there were many great constructions in Europe that would amount to relative parity between the two. The chinese architecture would certainly be something awe inspiring to the europeans but I am sure the same could be said for any chinese who glanced at the Duomo di Firenze.
Ok now post architecture from Spain and Shitugal
You won't find anything remotely like this. They were giant favela filled with brown people, jardly europeans
Trickier prompt. During your timeframe and in spain they would have more moorish/islamic architecture which was still quite opulent. The mosque of cordoba still stands and its from your time frame. I would hazard to say that it isnt impressive and theninterior is quite beautiful.
The interior of the mosque. I do not feel the need to be reductionist towards different cultures, there is already a board for that.
Brown people architecture in a country of brown people
Yes.
This is where the Spanish Hapsburgs lived
Spain had some of the best architecture of the 1500s and 1600s. They still profit from it (tourism)
Many Cathedrals of Spain are very impressive, Sevilla, Burgos especially. Even modern ones like the Sagrada Familia of Barcelona.
OP was specifically asking how the 1500s (Christian European) Poortugeese would react to Chinese cities. He was not asking what the 11th century Moors (non-European, non-Christian) would think.
That would be a good argument had i been responding to the OP. I wasnt however. I was responding to >
and
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. The mosque of cordoba fit the parameters of the discussion. It was built during the tang and it was spanish. Simple as.
Italians and Iberians look identical, idiot.
who posts this shit?
Shouldn’t /misc/ be the containment board for the intellectually challenged ?
Picrel predates the domo by over a century
>Mosteiro de Alcobaça
Doesn’t count since it looks pseudo-Gothic. It was therefore build by Nordcucks..
It was probably built with israeli shekels and Usery. Whites were chimping in caves (look up how many Spaniards were living in caves in the 1960s) while israelites were mastering them by their foreskins.
What we had before the earthquake
What did it look like in the 1500s, when the Portuguese were first in China?
Probably the same
This was built in the late 1400s
The largest building in that painting (the one with the tower) is LITERALLY Romanesque/classical. It is therefore from the 1700s. Only in Italy were there buildings like this in the 1400s. Spain did not have buildings like this in the 1500s, bud.
Are you incapable of using Google?
Go read about it, Black person
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ribeira_Palace
EDIT: I meant to say "Baroque." Baroque is the pseudo-Roman architecture that began in the 1700s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manueline
We had our own style
The thing that actually impressed the Europeans who traveled to China during the age of exploration wasn't their architecture, but their bureaucracy. European governments of the time were run in a very slipshod anarchic fashion compared to the legalistic and organized Chinese state. In most of Europe there was an entirely new and incompatible legal system every three feet, while China had (by the standards of the time) a standardized system covering the whole empire. The Portuguese and similar, were also impressed by the exam systems and the pretense of a meritocracy that China had compared to Europes aristocratic hierarchy, where government jobs were based on heredity rather than competence. Now to be fair these opinions were based a great deal upon orientalist and the Europeans seeing what they wanted to see so they could critique their own homelands. Chinas bureaucracy was nowhere near a meritocratic as it claimed to be for instance.
The Chinese bureaucracy wasn't meritocratic for the same reason that ISIS's "bureaucracy" is not meritocratic.
I whole heartedly agree. I think OP was pitching towards aesthetics and architecture but it was certainly the government and its institutions that impressed europeans. There are primary accounts of the relative impartiality of the ming justice system. The portraits for customs registration for those entering the country. Quite a lot of ideas were transported to europe like the examination system and unexpectedly enough the I ching which leibniz used to create binary.
Also to address the prompt. Constantinople circa 800ad ish.
It can be argued that the Byzantines weren't European, as they were not "white." They didn't have blonde hair and blue eyes. In all likelihood there were a lot of near easterners (and less Nordic types) living among the Byzantines.
I think skin color is irrelevant in this discussion. I believe that the city building traditions that evolved and persisted in Europe are relevant to the discussion. Im not interested in haplo autism. This is simply an example of a european city during the time specified for this comparison.
lolwut
yeswut, buddy.
Nordcucks suck
Accept it and move on
Germanic one is based, Iberian one looks gay.
You missed the point, dumba**. The first one is actually useful as a portrait; the second is just a child’s wood carving.
Other way around. Europe as a concept is a Mediterranean one, specifically a Greek one. Considering Nordic and Anglics as Europeans is more tentative than considering the Mediterranean region European.
Later Europe became synonymous with Christendom, which shifted the concept where those borders lay.
Now we have basically zero Christian rulers left because soviets and Americans wanted to erase as much of local identity as possible after WW2 in order to create and maintain their own spheres of influence abroad.
I was referring to the racial element of the Byzantines. Of course it is well known that the concept of Europe was developed by Mediterraneans.
Europe as a racial term doesn't work though
Europe is predominantly made of of snowhomies. Mediterraneans (bulls) made up a minority. So the concept of Europe as a race makes sense
Eh, most european meditteraneans don't have any mena blood so are fully european.
During this period of Constantinople, Northern Europe was in a semi-Neolithic state. Things weren't looking good, to say the least.
Semi-neolithic people that had just conquered the vast majority of the supposedly "advanced" Roman holdings
I was referring to the architecture and civilization advancement. Because they didn’t have any advancement in those categories, they set Europe back 1,000 years after they’re destroyed the Roman Empire.
>Semi-neolithic people that had just conquered
You didn't conquer shit. You came in as "refugees". So like the Black folk of today
Should have left you to the Huns
The iron age started in central Europe, not in Southern Europe. The South was always technologically behind.
>You
You mean "we", and the we defeated Ancient Romans in the Gothic wars.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gothic_wars
Cope more.
"You" were slaves. Germanics that migrated into Roman lands, mingled with the local populations. If you live in what is today Germania, how can you claim descent from these ambitious tribes that actually went out and did something? You are peasants. You are not Goths, Vandals or Franks. You are the trash that history forgot
>"You" were slaves.
We were never slaves.
>In ancient times Germanic women refused to be taken slaves and attended battles threatening to murder their children if their men failed.
>Then one day they failed. At the battle of Vercellae 101 bc the Romans won, the line broke, and the Teutonic women in the rear cut down or ran their fleeing fathers, brothers and husbands through with spears before butchering their babes and killing themselves. 160,000 dead in a single day, over 3 times total US war losses in Vietnam for an ethnicity totalling maybe 500k-2 mil. The Modern American Equivalent might be 20-40 million dead in a single day.
>They won in the end. The surviving descendants and cousins of those Germanics would be the ones to hold back Roman Conquest at the Rhine and eventually conquer the empire, their unconditional refusal to be slaves outlasted the Greatest empire in history
> Germanics that migrated into Roman lands, mingled with the local populations. If you live in what is today Germania, how can you claim descent from these ambitious tribes that actually went out and did something? You are peasants. You are not Goths, Vandals or Franks. You are the trash that history forgot
Anon, you are Germanic. You live in the Germanic civilization. Even Italians who are genetically related to Rome are descended from Lombard Germanic culture and civilization as part of the HRE.
We are speaking Germanic right now, not Latin.
Some Germanic tribes are better than others.
The good ones recognized Roman supremacy and did everything to bask in the light of civilization. You mired in the swamps east of the Rhine. We of Roman blood know the true name of Germany. Alemanha, Allemagne, Alemania. A conquered tribe. Why do you try to hide the shame of your ancestors?
>The good ones recognized Roman supremacy and did everything to bask in the light of civilization. You mired in the swamps east of the Rhine. We of Roman blood know the true name of Germany. Alemanha, Allemagne, Alemania. A conquered tribe. Why do you try to hide the shame of your ancestors?
I'm glad you acknowledge that Charlemagne is the true inheritor of RE and that Italian people basked under the thousand year Enlightened rule from the seat of Aachen.
>Charlemagne
Now that you mention him, is he one of the reasons nordicists seethe endlessly about Iberians? That the Basques almost killed him at Roncevaux? That their Visigoth kin was conquered by Muslims?
We are Romans. We do what's in our best interest. Why should we care about some Germanic usurpers? Let them be raped
I wouldn't know, I'm not a Nordicist so I don't care for you country hicks squabbling about med primitives vs. nord primitives in your eternal cope.
We are too busy building and inventing everything that Europe is known for.
Explain this
This was the only empire in the entire continent that somewhat weren't moronic chuds
True. The rest of Europe was Neolithic-tier chimps
>seriously think Europe is that much of a stuck up
actual Europe admire the chinese and are quite humble about themselves while still being proud of themselves
Where is the pic on the top right from?
Here's a map of ancient Chinese cities. It really shows just how backward Japan and Korea were throughout history. Can you point to any Japanese or Korean cities that even came close to rivaling these? NOT ONE!
Are you trolling? No judgements here but the Japanese had atleast 3 cities (fujiwara, heian, and heijo kyo) post taika reforms that rivaled chang'an because they were modeled off of it. Even if it was the case of them being copies they still existed in japan and were created by japanese people.
Why have I never heard of these cities if they supposedly rivaling the mighty Chang'an?
They have changed their names through the years (heian- kyoto; heijo- nara). They also did not exceed chang'an in any way but they were impressive and could stand with it.
City size doesn't mean historical importance. This whole thread is stupid.
>Why I never heard of it?
Just like you never heard of Merv, world's largest city in the 12th century.
More people means more manpower, more buildings means more wealth.
>This whole thread is stupid.
Only this thread?
" heh, they faces funny."
down syndrome hehe
Japanese and Chinese people seem the same underneath. I’m glad us Korean Kims are not completely the same vertical society peoples.
Portuguese had better thing at home than these soulless boring insect hive
A wonder how it wasn't destroyed in 1755
They did have beautiful architecture indeed. There is no reason to not enjoy beauty elsewhere however.
Wooden architecture? A wooden palace? Into the trash it goes.
What if i told you the east asians did not build exclusively with stone. The feihong pagoda is made of brick and porcelain.
What kind of idiot builds out of cup and dish material? Porcelain?2dgsg
The same idiots that could build pagodas of cast iron in the 10th century. Picrel is a surviving one big enough to go inside of but there are others im looking for that can better express the point.
Found it, finally. A chinese pagoda you can walk in that is made from brick and cast iron.
Why are you wasting time trying to impress a chud? Leave him wallow in his ugly white only reality
Fun fact: the same person who wrote that comment is the same person who is making the China>Japan+Korea spam comments: me. It's fun playing both sides like a fiddle.
Fun fact this is another deception. I wrote many of the replies including the one this anon is claiming. My intentions were genuine in educating someone who I percieved as not so knowledgable about chinese construction materials. I dont understand what the play is here, but i will continue to respond to inquiries on this thread if they are within my capabilities to do so.
No, the "that comment" I'm referring to is this:
My mistake carry on
I am a teacher at heart. It pains me to see ignorance.
Is that supposed to be Edo?
The clothing looks like Ming period clothing. Why would Nippons be wearing Ming clothing?
Assuming you are talking about the bottom pic, I think it's from an early scene in Silence, where the protagonists arrive at a chinese harbor before going to Japan
Just like any other Euro that made it to China
>Hmm.. how can we completely subvert their society...
That's so true. It is the same way that your bull subverts your gf's puss puss.
Is that bottom scene from Silence? Such a good movie and probably the only convincing depiction of age of discovery-era Macau we'll ever get
Never heard of the movie in my entire life.
It's mostly about Portuguese Jesuits in Tokugawa Japan but they have a stopover in Macau in the beginning of the movie. I looked for a clipped version of the scene for you and I couldn't find it
idgaf
Japan would never build something this advanced.
Weaboos are seething now.
Wwwwww
The Chinese were amazed by the MED BULL Portuguese when they arrived in China.
any group of morons can just stack some rocks until its big and its not impressive, how many civilizations rival the industrial cap of ancient rome? their infrastructure remains in place to this day and in use... does anything else even come close? abbasids? ottomans? with 1000 years of of technological advantages?
The han dynasty rivalled rome directly. The song absolutely dwarfed annual iron production of any premodern empire and was only beat after the british empire started industrializing in the 1700s. China had the largest canals in the world that are still unrivalled and stand. The romans did their fair share but to say they were alone at the top is tenuous. Song dynasty infrastructure still stands and the much older qin dynasty dujiangyan irrigation systems still stand and it was built in 256bc.
This image goes hard. (Its japan)
i was going to ask what time period this is but then realized it's a real life photograph, anyway i feel the people who said they dont like photographs because they steal your souls, i can now feel what they meant because any time i look at 19th-early20th century photos i feel weird, you're looking at ghosts, everybody in the picture has died.
>you're looking at ghosts, everybody in the picture has died.
Could you think of a more cliché thing to say, dweeb?
Love this dude getting his shoe polished and accidentally immortalizing himself as the first human photographed
Look bro, I do like Chinese history, I adore Romance of the Three Kingdoms, but trying to make some westerners jack you off and prove to you that China > Japan+Korea isn't the best way to spend your time.
You should be reading history to reach some sort of truth, not to use it as a way to jerk off.
Neither Japan nor Korea were even mentioned.
I am the one spamming the China>Japan+Korea posts, and I'm not OP. I was just hoping to derail this thread for shits and giggles.
Unfortunate, I spent my time in hopes that I was educating. 🙁
The information was interesting and useful: I wouldn’t spend this much time making these posts if I wasn’t interested in this topic.
I feel like unfortunately these type of wank threads get the most attention.
>not to use it as a way to jerk off
What exactly is wrong with this?
It's literally one guy
No, it wasn't OP.
They had seen colossal architecture before, they would not think much of it. They would note the large population of China, but they would attribute this to the lush farmland they travelled through which Portugal lacks due to geography.
It would actually be the farming technology that supported the massive population. The mass utilization of multiple tube seed drills and advanced irrigation systems allowed for a huge population boom. But the farmlands were unlikely to be seen by the portuguese as there presence was likely limited to the coastal cities. Also I wouldnt really describe portuguese castles as colossal; definitely beautiful however.
Picrel is a village-house of an official and it looks to atleast rival the castle in your post.
The average village didn't look like that, buddy. Here's a photo of an actual village in China.
I didnt mean to imply that it was an average abode. What I was comparing it to certainly isnt. Unless the average portuguese lived inside a castle. I was just noting that it wasnt particularly colossal as there was a non royal/noble that owned a place (extended siheyuan) that was larger. The meridian gate of the forbidden city is colossal. The theodosian walls are colossal. A castle like that. Not so much.
How did Catholic Missionaries explain to the Chinese why China was never mentioned once in the Bible?
Imagine thinking ancient China was this clean
The image is certainly embellished, however its not accurate to say that the chinese were dirty. Especially during the tang they were very hygiene concious. Pictel is current pingyao one of the preserved old towns in china.
muh preserved old towns LMAFO
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That was a very nice video and I am adding it to my collection, thank you. How was this supposed to show that the chinese were unhygienic tho?
homie 90% of china looked like this before mao killed off the 100s of millions or whatever
Most places in the world looked like that outside of cities. The OPs pic is of an imperial highway leading to the central palace. Its going to look nicer than the boonies.
"So primitive compared to Bharat..."
I get why the bharanons are so rabid their stuff always gets crapped on. But on the orther hand their vikramaditya schizo posting is really stupid and makes them a laughing stock. Anyways medieval chola place built roughly at the same time as OPs pic.
Hampi too was pretty impressive to Portuguese and Italian travelers
Isn't it really weird the moment the Europeans arrived in china and started to view the country (and after teaching them basic astronomy) china goes from a rich and powerful nation (according to their own historical records) to being poorer and more backward than Europe? Isn't that just a quacking coincidence
What are you trying to say? Are you an anti-White leftist?
No I'm an anti-white fascist
post hands. Your paki
What was wrong with chinese astronomy? Pictel is Su Songs cosmic engine that dates to the 12th century.
Also im pretty sure they still accounted for 30 percent of the world gdp during the 1800s which is well after the jesuits showed up.
Something something karayuki-san spam. Sometimes i wonder if they are the same people crappin up the threads.
Merchants stole colors again.
>Chinese are just rape-babies of Mongols anyway. There is no real Chinese people anymore, they are just Mongol and Manchu rape-hybrids, with a bit of Japanese thrown in. h-ack
>How did Portuguese missionaries react when they saw 20th century constructions?
Probably as unimpressed as 15th century Portuguese were at their rammed Earth walls that was less advanced than what even Africans were building.
Nothing could impress the Portuguese anymore after the marvels they witnessed at Wakanda
Those aren't even the walls of benin thats the circular city of baghdad during the golden age. Its not like we dont have actual photos of the walls of benin, they still exist.
That's Baghdad baka. Benin looked like picrel
And the palace of the Oba (monarch) looked like this.
It looks even more sovlful
>"Look at those impressive buildings, Joaquim! Those chinese are such sophisticated people!"
>"Imagine the beautiful cathedrals they will build once we we teach the word of God to them, Manuel!"
I mean the chinese were very capable of constructing western style cathedrals.
Who designed it?
It was built by a chinese longxi monk to emulate a foreign cathedral built in myanmar called the Alantuo. It doesnt seem like there were actual european designers involved in the actual construction but certainly served as inspiration for the temple at the least. They also built many mosques.
Admired their wealth, conspired to acquire this wealth, otherwise thought they were misguided and primitive. That's why they were taught western religion, and usually the missionaries also worked hard to teach them western culture.
The Portuguese were richer though.
They would've admired the source of spice that's it.
East Asia as a whole was basically a barbaric shithole compared to Europe.
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