How do atheist consoomers cope with his work being deeply and openly Catholic?
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How do atheist consoomers cope with his work being deeply and openly Catholic?
They'd say it's not really Catholic.
They're blind to theology, so they don't notice it until a religious person reminds them.
This . Most people don't even notice the religious allegory in The Chronicles of Narnia and are shocked if they hear J.K. Rowling's Christianity influenced Harry Potter.
I don't have aspergers so I can appreciate Christian epics. What do you imagine I'm having a mental crisis over?
Wholesome Tolkien quotes:
I have the hatred of apartheid in my bones; and most of all I detest the segregation or separation of Language and Literature. I do not care which of them you think White."
― From a Valedictory Address to the University of Oxford in 1959
"As for what you say or hint of ‘local’ conditions: I knew of them. I don't think they have much changed (even for the worse). I used to hear them discussed by my mother; and have ever since taken a special interest in that part of the world. The treatment of colour nearly always horrifies anyone going out from Britain, & not only in South Africa. Unfort[unately], not many retain that generous sentiment for long."
― Letter 61 — Written to Christopher Tolkien who was stationed in South Africa during World War II
It's 2024, we all know that Tolkien was another Anglo-Black person Worshipper.
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"His stories borrow from pagan folklore, so they can't be that much Christian. Gandalf is Merlin, not a prophet/angelic figure. Frodo spared Gollum's life out of interest, not due to compassion."
>Frodo spared Gollum's life out of interest
Garbage reading, but maybe that's true. Catholics tend to lack compassion
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It's "virtuous pagan" not "openly Catholic." If it were exoterically a Catholic story it would be far more heavy handed and offer condemnation of all things outside of the church and its doctrines. Instead you have a pre- or proto-Christian thematic narrative, the passion of the hobbit as it were, who has to bear his burden to the hill of crucifiction and lay himself at the mercy of providence, having done what was righteous on behalf of all the creatures of the earth, the angelic ones and the demonic, so that the age of men might endure and the occult fade away peacefully
Why would that matter at all?
Are you unable to enjoy Homer if you aren't a pagan? Do you need to be a protestant to appreciate Milton? Can only the Orthodox read Dostoyevsky?
All those you mention are spiritual/religious so it's easier for a Catholic to understand. Atheism is a complete void.
This is your mind of desert people stories. LOTR was also inspired by non-Christian myths, are you butthurt about this?
Why would anyone be butthurt? It's all using the lens of Catholicism.
oh shut up you fricking homosexual I doubt anyone seriously has a problem with this
Same way a Christian can watch Thor without clutching their pearls and fainting in the theater.
MCU Thor is not a pagan god but an alien, thougbeit.
Is there really much of a difference between a pagan god and some super powerful anthropomorphic alien?
Yea
Care to elaborate?
MCU is inherently israeli
So is Christianity.
Not in the same way
I'm catholic and I don't see the similarities.
>fantasy is rooted in fantasy
How did you make this fabulous discovery?
*tips defora*
There's plenty of superficial fun for the infidel and the idiot to enjoy in Tolkien's work, even if they don't understand what made it great in the first place. Hence D&D and all the cheap clones. Also, Tolkien's work is actually a little impious in how much it focuses on fleeting worldly glory and pleasure. Reading his work, you might be convinced that the man thought gluttony was actually a virtue instead of a deadly sin.
Explain what made it great in the first place mr Aquinas
Tolkien's scholarly erudition and his homosexual sentimentalism.
Eating like Hobbits do is obviously a sign of a complete lack of self-control.
>that the man thought gluttony was actually a virtue instead of a deadly sin.
ah yes the infamous christian denial of all worldly pleasure and comfort
fascinating levels of anti-life filth you death-worshipping psychopaths have shat upon this world.
Why would one group of people who are of the world be so bothered by another group of people who are of the world? If he was shining light, the world would hate it.
>y-you're anti-life!!1!
You literally mass murder your own innocent unborn children and you call it a "human right" to end an innocent life.
>You literally mass murder your own innocent unborn children and you call it a "human right" to end an innocent life.
What race is it?
Regardless of religion, the average person is simply not well-read enough to recognize subtle homage.
>Tolkien's work is actually a little impious in how much it focuses on fleeting worldly glory and pleasure. Reading his work, you might be convinced that the man thought gluttony was actually a virtue instead of a deadly sin.
>Eating like Hobbits do is obviously a sign of a complete lack of self-control.
He was Catholic, not a 17th century Puritan. Either way, Hobbits are just as flawed as the other races of middle earth. They're meant to be "little Englanders" sitting fat and happy at home while other people are abroad fighting their battles for them. Tolkien using Bilbo and Frodo as protagonists is both biblical(God tends to deliberately choose the weakest and least capable of people to accomplish his goals) and poetic(Kipling's poetry was filled with normal Englishmen being a potential force to be reckoned with, 'The Beginnings' and 'Norman and Saxon' being good examples).
>Reading his work, you might be convinced that the man thought gluttony was actually a virtue instead of a deadly sin.
But enough about Chesterton!
I think Tolkien wanted to make it catholic but could not find a way so he associates the values of friendship, kindness and mercy in his protagonists with Christianity when it could be attributed to any religion, including pagan ones.
Why should I be upset? Catholic or not, it's objectively a beautiful work by a brilliant author, and I enjoy that.
It's called media literecy, chudtholic.
I don't really care, doesn't change the experience
Was Tolkien's work the first to flip the hero protagonist archetype into a humble, insignificant nobody? It was probably why the Hobbit became so successful because the common folk could see themselves in Bilbo.
They pretend it's gay adventure romance
What I find hilarious is that Tolkien openly despised allegory. This thread is moronic.
>AAAAHHHH THE HUN THE GREAT WAR THE HORROR OF INDUSTRY SAVE ME RURAL ENGLISH LIFE
Tolkien was a hack.
Something doesn't have to be a hacky browbeating 1-1 Jesus parallel to be informed by a certain ethos. This is why Tolkien didn't like Narnia (in addition to Narnia mixing together multiple different cultures' folklore and sentimentalizing them in a way that upset Tolkien's autism).
> mixing together multiple different cultures' folklore
So did Tolkien.