Well the Bible says the beginning of wisdom is fear of God. You should fear him and he will be sending most people to hell. Don't believe the westernized hippie version of Jesus. That does not exist.
So it's good that you fear God. Now you need only repent for your sins and obey his commandments. Jesus gave those commandments in the New Testament. I suggest reading the gospel of Matthew. Specifically, the sermon on the Mount.
Confess your sins, repent, believe the gospel, and keep the commandments.
>b-but I don't wanna >[insert other excuses]
Matthew 19
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
John 14
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
1 John 2
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1 John 3
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Hebrews 10
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
James 2
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.
Revelation 22
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
>we're under grace, OSAS, we can do whatever we want (Christ gave us a license to sin)
Matthew 5
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Isaiah 42
21 The LORD is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.
Matthew 7:23
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
https://www.blueletterbible.org/lexicon/g458/kjv/tr/0-1/
>concept of eternal torment
Hell is not eternal life, the punishment is eternal because your body & soul are destroyed (Mt 10:28).
https://www.thetruthabouthell.net/
The Bible literally says that all of our righteousness is like a filthy rag. And in case you missed it, it was not 50% or 90% but all (100%) of our righteousness. You're not going to avoid hell with a filthy rag.
"But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away." - Isa 64:6
>The Bible literally says that all of our righteousness is like a filthy rag.
No, Isaiah said that while praying to God about how all of the pseudogood deeds of the people around him were actually just disingenuous filth. Like how a feminist would call it a good deed to spread her feminism. He was referring to that corruption. Read the whole prayer, don't cherry pick.
"Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?" - Proverbs 20:9
2 years ago
Anonymous
God graciously forgives us of our sin. It doesn't mean the sin never happened. We all need a savior because of our sin. We are commanded to stop sinning when we repent and are born again.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nobody has ever fulfilled all of God's commandments. There's no such thing as a super Christian. If you maximally lived according to God's will, then you would be out preaching the gospel all day every day and being as perfect as you could in other areas of life also. Even Bible characters were not living that way for crying out loud (except Jesus of course).
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Nobody has ever fulfilled all of God's commandments
I don't know what you're talking about. Jesus commands to go and sin no more. Everyone has sinned, but that's past tense. You stop that when you repent and become born again. Just what a sin do you think can't be helped? What can someone stop doing?
I guarantee you won't answer this. No one ever does because they would have to admit that their premise is completely flawed.
That or you will try to make the first commandment impossible to follow. That what it means is you can't go to the store and think about your shopping list because you might not be thinking about God at that moment. People that say that are only trying to make an excuse for themselves to sin. It's such nonsense. Jesus said his yolk is easy and his burden is light. Don't make a liar out of Jesus.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why do we need a savior then? If you can stop sinning then you can go to heaven without being guilty, and without the need of God's grace.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Why do we need a savior then?
Because every man has sinned. That doesn't mean you have to keep doing it. We all have sin on our record that needs to be absolved. So we need a savior.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Incest is not a sin. It is absolve salve
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, I'm totally amazed now when you pointed out that a bank robber should stop robbing banks. The thread was about salvation, not about living a righteous life.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't really know what you're trying to say here. Of course a bank robber should stop robbing banks. If he dies while robbing a bank, he's going straight to hell. It doesn't matter if he did an alter call prayer of repentance one day. If you die in your sin, you go to eternal destruction.
Jesus came to save you from your sin, not in your sin. If you are following Jesus, he will never lead you to sin.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What I'm trying to say is that there is a difference between avoiding hell and stopping sinning. OP specifically was talking about the subject of avoiding hell. If we then start talking about stopping sinning, then it sounds like you're saying that you need to stop sinning to work your own way up to heaven.
2 years ago
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You cannot earn your way to salvation through good deeds. But you can certainly be condemned because of your works of iniquity. So stop working iniquity. Stop sinning.
Now there are situations where you end up sending a lot everyday but are genuinely repentant of it every time you do. Somebody like a drug addict who after shooting up repent of it and wants nothing more but to stop but just keeps doing it. The heart is what matters. If you have no intent ever sin again, you're good.
But you're not tricking God.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What would you tell a drug addict is he said:
>what if I don't want to quit drugs. Can I still go to heaven?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>If you die in your sin, you go to eternal destruction.
You are a quasi-satanist, because you believe in infinite cruelty and injustice, which is what infinite punishment for finite "crimes" is. You dress up your deity in a Jesus skinsuit, but you are worshipping the devil. Great idea, bro.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You may not like it, but that is what the Bible says.
2 years ago
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How about le shrimp?
2 years ago
Anonymous
No, it's what you say. Cherrypicking bits of scripture and literature that support your idea that God is evil. Now *that* needs repentance, not gloating and judging.
2 years ago
Anonymous
God is not evil but the modern conceptualization of God is false idolatry.
The Bible is too full of contradictions to be taken in a literal sense and proselytizers are too quick to dismiss them as they see fit.
This is not to say that the Bible is a false book. Just that our modern interpretation of it is wrong.
2 years ago
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If everyone has sinned it sounds like it must be a normal part of human nature. Why does your sin need to be absolved? Why can't you just self-atone and learn from your sins so you can try to be better in the future? You don't need a savior for that.
2 years ago
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Because self-atonement would require perfection, which you are incapable of.
2 years ago
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Perfection doesn't exist, Christgay.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Sounds like bs. Got proof?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Name something that meets the description of 'perfect' that verifiably exists.
2 years ago
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So that's a "no."
2 years ago
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It's a normal part of free will. Temptation is offered to every man, and every man has succumb to it and will succumb to it. If there was no temptation to sin, then there would be no choice to do evil. Which means love could not exist. For love to exist, one must be able to freely and willingly choose it.
Everyone will tell you different things and if you choose the wrong one you will suffer for eternity 🙂
(Totally all loving god btw dont stress about it too much haha)
If you don't send your entire life savings to me in bitcoins I'm going to have you tortured after death.
You can't prove I don't have this power so you have to give it to me just in case.
Read the Quran, it has very basic rules for avoiding Hell. Don't do what christians tell you, they lie against God and want you to lie too, forfeiting your right to a pleasant afterlife.
I have consulted the Holy Spirit, OP. It has been confirmed that the long lost divine shield of man's' birth and salvation is loving incest. The siscon dicky shall inherit the Earth.
Rulers and religious leaders in ancient times - the establishers of the world's traditional religions - were not stupid...
>If you want people to be submit to you in a society where there is no police force, what do you use?
Religion - constant supervision by god or gods.
>If you want them to follow *your* religion, what do you do?
Scare them shitless with the worst punishment imaginable - eternal torture - if they don't obey your particular religion.
See? Hellfire religions that emphasize punishment and pain and discipline are not about morality, but about control.
>How do I avoid hell?
Live for yourself. The only hell is this life, and it's a state of mind brought upon by your inability to take control of your life and sufficiently dominate your environment.
Well the Bible says the beginning of wisdom is fear of God. You should fear him and he will be sending most people to hell. Don't believe the westernized hippie version of Jesus. That does not exist.
So it's good that you fear God. Now you need only repent for your sins and obey his commandments. Jesus gave those commandments in the New Testament. I suggest reading the gospel of Matthew. Specifically, the sermon on the Mount.
The Bible literally says that all of our righteousness is like a filthy rag. And in case you missed it, it was not 50% or 90% but all (100%) of our righteousness. You're not going to avoid hell with a filthy rag.
"But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away." - Isa 64:6
>The Bible literally says that all of our righteousness is like a filthy rag.
No, Isaiah said that while praying to God about how all of the pseudogood deeds of the people around him were actually just disingenuous filth. Like how a feminist would call it a good deed to spread her feminism. He was referring to that corruption. Read the whole prayer, don't cherry pick.
Well, what about...
"Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?" - Proverbs 20:9
God graciously forgives us of our sin. It doesn't mean the sin never happened. We all need a savior because of our sin. We are commanded to stop sinning when we repent and are born again.
Nobody has ever fulfilled all of God's commandments. There's no such thing as a super Christian. If you maximally lived according to God's will, then you would be out preaching the gospel all day every day and being as perfect as you could in other areas of life also. Even Bible characters were not living that way for crying out loud (except Jesus of course).
>Nobody has ever fulfilled all of God's commandments
I don't know what you're talking about. Jesus commands to go and sin no more. Everyone has sinned, but that's past tense. You stop that when you repent and become born again. Just what a sin do you think can't be helped? What can someone stop doing?
I guarantee you won't answer this. No one ever does because they would have to admit that their premise is completely flawed.
That or you will try to make the first commandment impossible to follow. That what it means is you can't go to the store and think about your shopping list because you might not be thinking about God at that moment. People that say that are only trying to make an excuse for themselves to sin. It's such nonsense. Jesus said his yolk is easy and his burden is light. Don't make a liar out of Jesus.
Why do we need a savior then? If you can stop sinning then you can go to heaven without being guilty, and without the need of God's grace.
>Why do we need a savior then?
Because every man has sinned. That doesn't mean you have to keep doing it. We all have sin on our record that needs to be absolved. So we need a savior.
Incest is not a sin. It is absolve salve
Yeah, I'm totally amazed now when you pointed out that a bank robber should stop robbing banks. The thread was about salvation, not about living a righteous life.
I don't really know what you're trying to say here. Of course a bank robber should stop robbing banks. If he dies while robbing a bank, he's going straight to hell. It doesn't matter if he did an alter call prayer of repentance one day. If you die in your sin, you go to eternal destruction.
Jesus came to save you from your sin, not in your sin. If you are following Jesus, he will never lead you to sin.
What I'm trying to say is that there is a difference between avoiding hell and stopping sinning. OP specifically was talking about the subject of avoiding hell. If we then start talking about stopping sinning, then it sounds like you're saying that you need to stop sinning to work your own way up to heaven.
You cannot earn your way to salvation through good deeds. But you can certainly be condemned because of your works of iniquity. So stop working iniquity. Stop sinning.
Now there are situations where you end up sending a lot everyday but are genuinely repentant of it every time you do. Somebody like a drug addict who after shooting up repent of it and wants nothing more but to stop but just keeps doing it. The heart is what matters. If you have no intent ever sin again, you're good.
But you're not tricking God.
What would you tell a drug addict is he said:
>what if I don't want to quit drugs. Can I still go to heaven?
>If you die in your sin, you go to eternal destruction.
You are a quasi-satanist, because you believe in infinite cruelty and injustice, which is what infinite punishment for finite "crimes" is. You dress up your deity in a Jesus skinsuit, but you are worshipping the devil. Great idea, bro.
You may not like it, but that is what the Bible says.
How about le shrimp?
No, it's what you say. Cherrypicking bits of scripture and literature that support your idea that God is evil. Now *that* needs repentance, not gloating and judging.
God is not evil but the modern conceptualization of God is false idolatry.
The Bible is too full of contradictions to be taken in a literal sense and proselytizers are too quick to dismiss them as they see fit.
This is not to say that the Bible is a false book. Just that our modern interpretation of it is wrong.
If everyone has sinned it sounds like it must be a normal part of human nature. Why does your sin need to be absolved? Why can't you just self-atone and learn from your sins so you can try to be better in the future? You don't need a savior for that.
Because self-atonement would require perfection, which you are incapable of.
Perfection doesn't exist, Christgay.
Sounds like bs. Got proof?
Name something that meets the description of 'perfect' that verifiably exists.
So that's a "no."
It's a normal part of free will. Temptation is offered to every man, and every man has succumb to it and will succumb to it. If there was no temptation to sin, then there would be no choice to do evil. Which means love could not exist. For love to exist, one must be able to freely and willingly choose it.
Everyone will tell you different things and if you choose the wrong one you will suffer for eternity 🙂
(Totally all loving god btw dont stress about it too much haha)
You could live in reality and accept your likely finite nature.
If you don't send your entire life savings to me in bitcoins I'm going to have you tortured after death.
You can't prove I don't have this power so you have to give it to me just in case.
Read the Quran, it has very basic rules for avoiding Hell. Don't do what christians tell you, they lie against God and want you to lie too, forfeiting your right to a pleasant afterlife.
Typical christcuck. 0% faith, 100% being a pussy.
I don't call anyone a brother in Christ who doesn't frick his sister
I have consulted the Holy Spirit, OP. It has been confirmed that the long lost divine shield of man's' birth and salvation is loving incest. The siscon dicky shall inherit the Earth.
Being on IQfy is a straight shot to hell.
I hate pr*tties so god damn much. Fricking absolute scum, worse than mudslimes. Help me Lord, to stop hating these utterly godless homosexuals.
Stop grooming children, Cathoholic. :^)
Rulers and religious leaders in ancient times - the establishers of the world's traditional religions - were not stupid...
>If you want people to be submit to you in a society where there is no police force, what do you use?
Religion - constant supervision by god or gods.
>If you want them to follow *your* religion, what do you do?
Scare them shitless with the worst punishment imaginable - eternal torture - if they don't obey your particular religion.
See? Hellfire religions that emphasize punishment and pain and discipline are not about morality, but about control.
You're an idiot. You think you're a step ahead but you're a mile behind the curve.
>How do I avoid hell?
Live for yourself. The only hell is this life, and it's a state of mind brought upon by your inability to take control of your life and sufficiently dominate your environment.