How do I get into philosophy
I tried reading Plato's Republic but it's filtering me
How do I get into philosophy. I tried reading Plato's Republic but it's filtering me
How do I get into philosophy
I tried reading Plato's Republic but it's filtering me
Plato's republic is not the easiest place to start for Socratic dialogues, start with apology, crito, or gorgias instead, the earlier ones. They're not meant to be read quickly either.
Start with the Symposium, Ion, and Phaedrus. The Republic is a mature work. Ion is comedic, simple, short, and easy, and introduces important Platonic concepts that are still relevant today. Here's a staged version:
Read Proverbs
Save yourself the trouble, and skip to the end (picrel).
make your own
Maybe try something more like Epictetus' Discourses, but, honestly, philosophy may not be for you.
>someone who can't understand Republic should write their own philosophy
KYS, you fricking idiot.
Clear troony post.
Don't even bother reading Plato if you don't know Greek. If you want to learn Greek, come to /clg/. After you finish your textbook, start with Xenophon's Kurou Paideia or Memorabilia since they have Socratic dialogue and similar vocab to plato.
Then start with Alcibiades, Meno, Apology or Ion.
Reading Plato in English is like looking at a shadow and imagining you're seeing the Sun.
lol frick off
Why?
You don't miss much reading Plato in English, I'm sorry but it's true. Some individual words have somewhat different meanings, nothing that you can't figure out with footnotes. It's not as beautiful in English, but even there you're not really missing a lot.
Telling someone to learn Greek before Plato would be like saying "oh, so you want to be a mechanic? First you must study geology for four years so you have a firm grasp of your materials. Anything else is a waste of time."
Plato is a poet. "Translated" poetry is a completely different thing from poetry in the original. Enjoy reading Jowett instead of Plato. The point isn't even knowing what the big philosophical terms like telos or agathos or whatever mean in the original, which you can figure out with footnotes, it's the flow of the language in general. It's the ge, the men and the de, the ekho.
You’re a moron
Don't listen to most of these morons on the thread. You should start with aristotle's Organon slowly do that tackling plato will be easier. Or get Algis Uzdanyvis works
Step 1. Ignore all other advice in this thread
Step 2. Read picrel
Step 3. Research whichever philosophers/philoSophies mentioned in the book resonate with you
Is it good?
Yes, an enjoyable read & great for someone who wants to learn more about philosophy
Ord?
Well, to start with, why do you want to get into philosophy? Is there a certain subject or set of subjects you're interested in? Answers to those questions may help for working out an appropriate introduction.
The best way to understand Plato's republic is to read Aristophanes...
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All terrible advice
Enlighten us
Start with Euthyphro. If you can't understand it you got filtered fr (for real).
>dubs of truth
Just start with the trial and death of Socrates in this order:
Euthyphro-->Apology-->Crito-->Phaedo
Well well well well well,
You want to get into Filo Ciphy, huh?
You don't need to read other people's ideas. You need to think up your own!
You're the best philosopher for you.
I'm the best philosopher for me.
I actually consider this good advice. I have my own philosophies and may listen to some advice if I consider it good, but every philosopher should be their own for the most part.
I don't read philosophy because I know I'm a midwit and that sort of thing will trick me into thinking myself smart, which will just lead to embarrassment.
Which of these philosophy books in my stack should I read first:
>Sartor Resartus
>Gorgias
>Consolation of Philosopy
>The Republic/Symposium/Phaedrus
>Discourse On Inequality
>Pensées
>In Praise of Folly
>Confessions by St Augustine
republic but just the very first book
Everyone ITT is wrong. The proper work to begin philosophy is the Golden Verses of Pythagoras. Next, read the Enchiridion of Epictetus ALONG WITH Simplicius' commentary, which you can find online in English. Follow the advice therein. Then, and only then, you're ready to work through Aristotle starting with the Categories. Read Plato for fun but don't expect to understand much until you've mastered all of Aristotle.
This is how philosophy was taught for hundreds of years. It worked for them, why not for... YOU?
The Discourses of Epictetus should always be studied before the Enchiridion, as the Enchiridion is pretty much just the Discourses in a distilled format. You probably wouldn't even have to read Simplicius commentaries then. Only studying the Enchiridion is almost as bad as redditors who only read meditations then think they are Stoic sages.
Yeah, if you want to really understand Stoicism, you should read the Discourses. But for an intro to philosophy, this isn't necessary. The point of reading the Enchiridion early in the curriculum was to teach beginning philosophy students good habits of life.
The advantage of Simplicius' commentaries isn't that they explain the text, which is simple enough, but that they put it into a broader Platonic/Aristotelian context.
Plato wrote his dialogues in prose last time I checked. I don't deny that something is lost in translation, but if you are simply trying to understand his ideas, it's not really necessary to learn Greek. Learning Greek well enough to read Plato profitably could easily take a few years - wasted time, unless you want to become a philologist.
What's really funny about both of these posts is that they completely miss the point of what I was saying. People like this are just primed to show off their (virtually non-existent) "knowledge" of ancient philosophy, and will jump on anything to do so.
Watch, what's coming next is some anon informing me that Plato did in fact write poetry.
Hmm interesting.
Philosophy should have been something you got into as a teenager. If you try to learn and discuss philosophy here you’ll just become a pseud who praises individual thinkers, but never actually understand the concepts. The point of philosophy isn’t to sound smart, but to give a framework of the world and your place in it. It’s something that should influence your daily actions, not something that you spend time debating online.
I recently read a book on Chinese philosophy and guess what? I didn’t look up the most famous Chinese philosopher and read his most famous work. Instead I bought a work that covers many different Chinese schools of thoughts and ideas. I read it to learn more about their culture and to gain some insight into how Chinese, and asians in general, think about the deeper topics. The biggest takeaway was that the mind is the most precious thing to guard and nourish as it regulates everything else. Impure minds cause impure actions. So if every person cleans their own mind the collective has together cleaned their society. I don’t even remember the names of the few dozen philosophers in the book because the ideas are more relevant. And besides, someone in a specific school of thought won’t differ much from a mutual. But people from different schools will differ, and at that point remembering specific names is pointless as you can just remember the school they’re representing.
> The biggest takeaway was that the mind is the most precious thing to guard and nourish as it regulates everything else. Impure minds cause impure actions. So if every person cleans their own mind the collective has together cleaned their society
>If people stopped doing bad things then society wouldnt be full of bad things!
Amazing insight. Kongzi couldnt have put it better himself :^)
>The wise words aren't beautiful. The beautiful words aren't wise.
If the premise is there, but isn't flowery enough for you to like it then the problem lies in you and not the situation. And hey, it works out pretty well for the Chinese. They have the largest population in the world while having an incredibly low crime rate. They've also lasted for thousands of years while being quite advanced in most regards.
If you want a more flowery presentation then go out and buy a book about the topic. Condensing 300 pages into three sentences will take away a lot of the intricacy, but the message is still there.
My brother in Dao, I have already read all the greats but youre doing it a disservice but taking away all its unique parts. I am just saying you should probably read more than a 300 page introduction before you go around quoting my man Lao ( ꈍᴗꈍ)
The OP said he was getting filtered by Plato. Why would I add abstract language to Chinese philosophy when he's already struggling with simple western stuff?
And I've read more than just one book. I was just giving an example of how he should approach the field. Just reading the most popular guys most popular work is a disservice to philosophy. I've developed my LDT enough to physically burn stuff. There's more to philosophy than reading poetry and thinking about flowery language.
>I've developed my LDT enough to physically burn stuff
>LDT
What is this?
Also forgot about OP. He was a lost cause from the get go. The GET-GO I tell ya. I mean if you get filtered by Plato, i.e. a simple dialogue format, then philosophy sadly isnt for you Σ(@﹏ @)ﾉ"
He comes across as a bronze player trying to enter the Gold league ヽ(｀Д´)ﾉ
You are too prideful, philosophia is meant for everyone and anyone (sophia) being the keyword. Sophia = wisdom, wisdom is a fancy way to say Self-proximation.
>You are too prideful
Nah you are, for making baseless assumptions and pointing fingers ( •_•)
>philosophia is meant for everyone
Sure, like knowing basic math is useful for everyone. But actually studying mathematics is a different ball-game all together. Reading philosophy is just a recreational activity you do for fun which requires a certain mindset few people possess. Living right and virtuously is true philosophy, anyone can and should do that, no need to read books for that (^‿^)
>baseless accusations
>Also forgot about OP. He was a lost cause from the get go.I mean if you get filtered by Plato, i.e. a simple dialogue format, then philosophy sadly isnt for you
>simple dialogue
You say it's baseless yet you mock and declare others as being filtered, not realizing your own incompetence and equate the pursuit of wisdom with a video game league analogy..sure.
Be prideful, be arrogant but don't recoil when someone calls you on it. It's cowardly.
>stating facts now is somehow mocking
>video game league analogy
Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez It was Plato's Republic reference you silly goose. Maybe you should try reading it instead of wasting time projecting your insecurities onto others (¬¬)
>I'm going to assume you're joking
Im going to assume you don't understand philosophy ~( ˘▾˘~)
odd, you recommend a great book for anon by an author who truly understands what theurgy meant and is? yet...you're this foolish.
>gold and bronze
im well aware of plato's position, which I disagree for several reasons and mainly because of how it could potentially be interpretated to puff one's own ego. There is a vast difference in intelligence and wisdom (sophia) that which is antecedent, prior to being.
>insecurities
modern psychology especially pop psychology is a mistake.
>keeps posting barely correlated inane asides in response to being btfo
Either take your pills schizo or update your firmware bot ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ
>schizo
how?
>There is a vast difference in intelligence and wisdom (sophia) that which is antecedent, prior to being.
My friend was saying stuff like this when he had a psychotic break, lol.
Then tell me whats the difference? and i genuinely I'm sorry for your friend...if the story is real? seriously, tell me whats the difference?
>Reading philosophy is just a recreational activity
I'm going to assume you're joking
>What is this?
The Lower Dantien. It is the elixir field in your etheric body that stores your Qi. Located about two fingers beneath your navel. You can store a lot of Qi here, and it plays a big role in what lets you eventually become immortal. The proof of concept is in the feats that advanced practitioners can perform.
that's an interesting idea but how does one go about cleansing their mind?
Don't listen to the fools on this thread who say it isn't for you, where there is a will, there is a way, commune with the Creator within
you know there's something poetic about this thread. So many anwsers but the OPs question still remains unawnsered. I bet OP is even more clueless than before which perfectly represents what philosophy is at the start.
several anons through the thread giving out advice and rejecting each others
2 egotistical morons are fighting about who knows philosophy better...seems pretty normal.
charlatans I say. Only anons that I listen are those who know they are moronic and can admit it, those are the only anons worth listening to.
several anons through the thread giving out advice and rejecting each others
2 egotistical morons are fighting about who knows philosophy better...seems pretty normal.
well it depends on what you are looking for in philosophy. A common arbitrary starting point is the greeks so plato would be the common generic answer. Most would say the best place to begin with plato would be Euthyphro, Apology, Critas, Phadeo
Come up with specific questions about what you’re. Plato is literally one of the most written about thinkers ever so you’re sure to find answers to novice questions, and once you get a good grasp of him it’s the perfect gateway into basically anything afterwards (that isn’t incredibly specializes or academic)