Thats what most software startups and smaller consulting firms (10 people or less) still look like if they try to maintain a high office presence.
Nice persecution fantasy.
for those who have worked in such a hellhole, are you actually expected to be productive and working from the moment you clock in till the moment you leave? seems like if everyone can see your screen all day it'd be impossible to get in any 'chan time or plan a vacation or whatever, this has to lead to neuroses and anxiety disorders right?
Depends on the company. Most of them have managers grounded enough in reality to know that the average office worker doesn't even have enough work for eight hours per day on most days.
>the average office worker doesn't even have enough work for eight hours per day on most days
This has always seemed like the most dysfunctional thing about how corporations work. They know people aren't going to be doing 8 hours of work yet they want everyone to play along and pretend like they're doing work. Why not instead let them use half their time to work on their own open ended projects? Just think how much better windows would be if the software engineers at microsoft spent half the day writing software they actually wanted to write instead of just sitting there doing absolutely nothing.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Software companies don't really pay you to work for eight hours each day, they pay you to be available to work for a maximum of eight hours per day (plus overtime if needed). >Why not instead let them use half their time to work on their own open ended projects?
Google used to allow their engineers to spend one day per week on side projects or self-learning. They canned it a few years ago. Some companies still have similar policies.
>Most of them have managers grounded enough in reality to know that the average office worker doesn't even have enough work for eight hours per day on most days.
my work environment was like this in 2015, instead of CRTs it was 4:3 LCDs and instead of making a video game we were making weapons to nuke thirdies lol
fun stuff
The environment in the company I worked at from 2007 to 2017 was also almost a facsimile, even the people - only dudes, no trannies, only one woman working at the receptionist's desk. It even had the LAN cables coming from the ceiling for the middle island desks. And it was all CRTs at the time I started there, tho by 2010/2011 all desks had moved to LCDs. The only major difference that sucked is that we didn't have such a nice view from the windows (even tho the photos are at night you can see it's nice) - the only view was other office buildings across the street.
Open offices usually suck but it was a pretty chill and laid back environment, boss and managers didn't give af what we did as long as the work was ahead of schedule. I even browsed IQfy, watched anime and we played video games during company time.
>only dudes, no trannies, only one woman working at the receptionist's desk
Same, though I've had HR ladies too.
Trannies though, never. I feel like they only exist in twitter and California.
for those who have worked in such a hellhole, are you actually expected to be productive and working from the moment you clock in till the moment you leave? seems like if everyone can see your screen all day it'd be impossible to get in any 'chan time or plan a vacation or whatever, this has to lead to neuroses and anxiety disorders right?
>are you actually expected to be productive and working from the moment you clock in till the moment you leave?
Wtf, absolutely. Work isn't for you to do your random personal stuff, that's not your employer's problem. You need to do that kind of stuff on your own time. You're there to make money. You agreed to do the work between certain times in exchange for money. You want the money? Do the work during your work hours. If you "can't" stay focused because of your "neuroses" and "anxiety disorders", then you need to talk to a doctor (on your OWN TIME) to get some pills for it or whatever, again, not your employer's problem wtf
>Y'all need to be a GOOD field han' for massa goldsilversheckelsteinburg
Fricking wageBlack folk, man...
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Going in to the office and working in exchange for money like I freely and willingly agreed to do is literally just as bad as slavery, like omg, my life is just as bad as a black slave's life on a plantation!!
Anon, seriously. Nobody is whipping you and working you without water in direct sunlight for entire days without a break. You're getting paid. And most importantly, you AGREED to do X hours of Y kinds of work in exchange for Z amounts of dollars. If you decide the dollars aren't good enough for you, you can leave any time you'd like. Otherwise, grow up and be a man and fulfill your part of the agreement.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>>Anon, seriously. Nobody is forcing you to work for sub-minimum wage pay under threat of homelessness so the ~~*1%*~~ can buy another yacht off the sweat of your labor
[...]
GPT?
>GPT?
Wouldn't be surprised based on the roboticness of those responses kek.
>Verification not required.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Nobody is forcing you to work for sub-minimum wage pay
Literally this, though. You're a histrionic purple-haired commie moron just like the rest of your generation. You're who we're talking about when we say nobody wants to work. If all the work you can find is minimum-wage work, then you have no skills. Develop some and try to positively contribute to society. In the meanwhile, do what you agreed to you fricking leech. >waa roboticness
Lmao, someone tells you to man up and stick to your word for once in your life and you have a zoomer meltdown. This is exactly why I avoid hiring zoomers, you're all histrionic "my life is literally slavery" morons. >Omg literally nobody would say you should be a man of your word, that it must be a chatbot!!!
Lmao
2 months ago
Anonymous
>purple-haired commie
You think Hitler was a leftist don't you?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Not related to the conversation. You're echoing all the hyper-leftist Antifa "seize the means of production" bullshit.
The fact is, you walked in to somewhere to work, and were asked "if we give you $X, will you do Y tasks during Z hours?"
And you said "Yes, I will! That's good!"
And now you're crying and b***hing that you're literally a whipped slave on a plantation and you don't want to do the work but also you want the money still.
That's not how it works. If you say you'll do something, do it, or you're a massive dickless loser and a child.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>bla bla bla israelite word tricks and assorted bullshit
2 months ago
Anonymous
>will you do Y tasks during Z hours?
Why should the hours matter? If I can complete those tasks at home on my own time, why should I be forced to show up to adult daycare where I'll be half as productive and take twice as long to complete them than I would from my infinitely more comfortable home office in peace and quiet with 100% privacy?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Because it's what you agreed to do, holy shit. YOU agreed to work for a set number of hours at a set location. Do modern workers honestly have absolutely no sense of personal integrity?
2 months ago
Anonymous
I've never heard of a programming job that paid based on how many hours you worked.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Not related to the conversation
You sound like a homosexual, israelite.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not the fraudster whose word is worth nothing- the one that's lying and scheming to steal from the place he agreed to work.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>try to positively contribute to society
So don't work at any modern tech company then?
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Develop some skills, so on and so forth
TL;DR. NTA, but daily reminder that our forefathers were allowed to literally own slaves in every previous era of human history and treat their wives like property in order to force somebody else to do most of the work. Nobody wants to work, and nobody ever has - all of human history is a long, drawn-out process of either pushing work off on others (Slaves, beasts of burden, second-class citizens) or making work more efficient so that you can do less of it (stored energy, fossil fuels, machines).
You want people to work? Vote in a system where I can own thirty browns who do my work for me and whip them like a Saturday Morning Cartoon Supervillain when they get out of line. Simple as.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Nobody is forcing you to work for sub-minimum wage pay
Literally this, though. You're a histrionic purple-haired commie moron just like the rest of your generation. You're who we're talking about when we say nobody wants to work. If all the work you can find is minimum-wage work, then you have no skills. Develop some and try to positively contribute to society. In the meanwhile, do what you agreed to you fricking leech. >waa roboticness
Lmao, someone tells you to man up and stick to your word for once in your life and you have a zoomer meltdown. This is exactly why I avoid hiring zoomers, you're all histrionic "my life is literally slavery" morons. >Omg literally nobody would say you should be a man of your word, that it must be a chatbot!!!
Lmao
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Nobody is forcing you to work for sub-minimum wage pay
Literally this, though. You're a histrionic purple-haired commie moron just like the rest of your generation. You're who we're talking about when we say nobody wants to work. If all the work you can find is minimum-wage work, then you have no skills. Develop some and try to positively contribute to society. In the meanwhile, do what you agreed to you fricking leech. >waa roboticness
Lmao, someone tells you to man up and stick to your word for once in your life and you have a zoomer meltdown. This is exactly why I avoid hiring zoomers, you're all histrionic "my life is literally slavery" morons. >Omg literally nobody would say you should be a man of your word, that it must be a chatbot!!!
Lmao
You drank the coolaid, or you somehow benefit from other people drinking it. The current situation suits you and that's fine. You've also figured out that you need to be more aggressive in pushing opinions, that cement the conditions that benefit you.
What suits you doesn't suit others and the world is changing.
Or maybe you sympathize with the complaining and berate the complainers in order to spur them to action. It doesn't matter. (You)'re just some butthole or a bot and conversing with you is as much of a waste of time as your posting here.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>You drank the coolaid >t. someone who thinks doing daily standups is literally equivalent in hardship and injustice to being a literal plantation slave
2 months ago
Anonymous
You can try and shame people for having it easier than people did a century ago, but slaves did touch grass and get more sunlight than most people do now. And at least slaves weren't obese because of a sedentary lifestyle and an overconsumption of carbs. I bet slaves got laid more often than most people on IQfy too. Slaves could also choose to escape their masters and go somewhere where no one knows them and start a new life. But that's hard and risky; what if you don't get a better offer than what you had going on before you ran off? It's similar to the current "just quit your job if you don't like it!" Most slaves choose security over freedom and remain slaves. That's what makes you a slave. Not the act of picking cotton in the sun.
Also, I can tell you haven't lived in the country before. After harvest there isn't really that much for a man to do until the end of winter. It's almost impossible to get that much time off from work nowadays.
That, and the suicide rate among slaves was lower than it is among working age people right now.
>Going in to the office and working in exchange for money like I freely and willingly agreed to do is literally just as bad as slavery, like omg, my life is just as bad as a black slave's life on a plantation!!
Anon, seriously. Nobody is whipping you and working you without water in direct sunlight for entire days without a break. You're getting paid. And most importantly, you AGREED to do X hours of Y kinds of work in exchange for Z amounts of dollars. If you decide the dollars aren't good enough for you, you can leave any time you'd like. Otherwise, grow up and be a man and fulfill your part of the agreement.
>M-m-my blue-collar office job I willingly signed up for i-is l-l-literally s-s..SLAVERY!!! Black plantation slaves had it easier than me!!!!!
This argument is getting sad. If you're so insistent upon acting like your mutual agreement to exchange money for work is like literal plantation slavery, then I'd be happy to comply with your weird fantasy, pay you nothing, whip you mercilessly when you displease me, and make you work for 12 hour shifts in the blazing sun with no shade or water.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I didn't agree to be abused by you. You capitalists are all the same, seizing things you have no right to then using every trick in the book to gaslight the rest of us into doing your labor for you.
2 months ago
Anonymous
You agreed to work X hours a day on Y tasks, in exchange for Z money. YOU agreed. Now, suddenly, your types can't be expected to live up to your word. Now, suddenly, you can't uphold your part of the bargain you willingly made. You're a whole generation of disingenuous zero-integrity homosexuals who will say anything to get in the door then expect everything to be given to you for free despite you not contributing anything.
I've worked in an open office before but I've been there from the start, when we moved in, every time so me and another guy on the team who is my IRL friend always maneuvered such that we got desks with our backs to the wall and any "dangerous" angles covered by each other. With an OK position like that it was fine I guess, though still not great. There was a lot of noise pretty often and it was bothersome if I actually wanted to focus on work. I changed jobs since then and I'm WFH nowadays, it's a HUGE improvement.
what do startups do now, now that the cheap VC money dried up and it's not realistic to burn VC money growing exponentially hoping to get bought out by big tech before they notice you're about to go bankrupt?
1. If you apply for a job, most likely you'll have to work with insufferable homosexuals
2. If you have your own company, most likely at some point you'll be forced to hire an insufferable homosexual because no one else will apply
3. If your company is nice and chill, most likely at some point someone spontaneously will become an insufferable homosexual
Situations where you have a bunch of cool bros doing cool stuff in a cool way are extremely rare, and it's even more rare for these things to actually, you know, make money. For every photo like you posted, there are thousands of photos of people working absolutely miserable jobs for even more miserable pay. When you browse notes of game devs, it's been 99% "I hate my job and I hate my life" since basically ever.
Zoomers I've worked with don't even know what a network is, let alone LAN.
I thought the "zoomers are tech illiterate" thing was a meme until we started hiring them.
Just do it. Why do morons keep posting these images as if they were something completely unattainable today? Also, frick open offices.
>Also, frick open offices.
This was more of an informal team of friends working together. I guess in such case open office is an advantage.
if the gaming journalism gestapo find out your small indie dev team is entirely young white dudes, you're getting canceled.
Game journalists don't buy games, so not a big loss.
Thats what most software startups and smaller consulting firms (10 people or less) still look like if they try to maintain a high office presence.
Nice persecution fantasy.
Depends on the company. Most of them have managers grounded enough in reality to know that the average office worker doesn't even have enough work for eight hours per day on most days.
>the average office worker doesn't even have enough work for eight hours per day on most days
This has always seemed like the most dysfunctional thing about how corporations work. They know people aren't going to be doing 8 hours of work yet they want everyone to play along and pretend like they're doing work. Why not instead let them use half their time to work on their own open ended projects? Just think how much better windows would be if the software engineers at microsoft spent half the day writing software they actually wanted to write instead of just sitting there doing absolutely nothing.
Software companies don't really pay you to work for eight hours each day, they pay you to be available to work for a maximum of eight hours per day (plus overtime if needed).
>Why not instead let them use half their time to work on their own open ended projects?
Google used to allow their engineers to spend one day per week on side projects or self-learning. They canned it a few years ago. Some companies still have similar policies.
>Most of them have managers grounded enough in reality to know that the average office worker doesn't even have enough work for eight hours per day on most days.
LOL. bro have you ever had a dead line?
>gaming journalism gestapo
These days they can't even bully a single Brazilian guy, just do what you want and disregard them.
Wish I knew the time when open offices weren't the norm.
All my jobs were either open offices, or home office.
Find like-minded friends and say "hey guys... why don't we id-software-developing-quake.jpg"?
IT jobs were undesirable then, only icky nerds like games and computers
Go back to what? Open offices? Forced overtime into the night? We're already there. You c**ts will idolize anything with 90's aesthetics, won't you?
my work environment was like this in 2015, instead of CRTs it was 4:3 LCDs and instead of making a video game we were making weapons to nuke thirdies lol
fun stuff
The environment in the company I worked at from 2007 to 2017 was also almost a facsimile, even the people - only dudes, no trannies, only one woman working at the receptionist's desk. It even had the LAN cables coming from the ceiling for the middle island desks. And it was all CRTs at the time I started there, tho by 2010/2011 all desks had moved to LCDs. The only major difference that sucked is that we didn't have such a nice view from the windows (even tho the photos are at night you can see it's nice) - the only view was other office buildings across the street.
Open offices usually suck but it was a pretty chill and laid back environment, boss and managers didn't give af what we did as long as the work was ahead of schedule. I even browsed IQfy, watched anime and we played video games during company time.
>only dudes, no trannies, only one woman working at the receptionist's desk
Same, though I've had HR ladies too.
Trannies though, never. I feel like they only exist in twitter and California.
my work environment satisfies nato 6516 shcpe 87
your nukes won't do shit
No, kick the people in power forcing pajeets onto our society.
you need to deal with the pajeets themselves at some point because each family has 50 children and they all live in the same house.
that's pajeets
you hire one they exert endless pressure to try to wedge more into every possible position
cool it with the antisemite remarks
Frick off israelite
Build a time machine and travel back to the past.
We have to go back
artist?
Saucenao and Yandex give nothing, gib sauce Black person
Looks too generic and grayscale.
>open office
😐
>open office, 1990s
🙁 )
They still haven't figured out how to wire offices without hanging wires from the ceiling?
How would you do it?
Floor plugs
Mexican carpet cleaners pouring cleaning fluid in the sockets.
No bueno.
it provides flexibility to change the workspace layout.
The all wi-fi office is coming just need 4 more iterations and we'll do it!
Also paperless office incoming
for those who have worked in such a hellhole, are you actually expected to be productive and working from the moment you clock in till the moment you leave? seems like if everyone can see your screen all day it'd be impossible to get in any 'chan time or plan a vacation or whatever, this has to lead to neuroses and anxiety disorders right?
>are you actually expected to be productive and working from the moment you clock in till the moment you leave?
Wtf, absolutely. Work isn't for you to do your random personal stuff, that's not your employer's problem. You need to do that kind of stuff on your own time. You're there to make money. You agreed to do the work between certain times in exchange for money. You want the money? Do the work during your work hours. If you "can't" stay focused because of your "neuroses" and "anxiety disorders", then you need to talk to a doctor (on your OWN TIME) to get some pills for it or whatever, again, not your employer's problem wtf
>Y'all need to be a GOOD field han' for massa goldsilversheckelsteinburg
Fricking wageBlack folk, man...
>Going in to the office and working in exchange for money like I freely and willingly agreed to do is literally just as bad as slavery, like omg, my life is just as bad as a black slave's life on a plantation!!
Anon, seriously. Nobody is whipping you and working you without water in direct sunlight for entire days without a break. You're getting paid. And most importantly, you AGREED to do X hours of Y kinds of work in exchange for Z amounts of dollars. If you decide the dollars aren't good enough for you, you can leave any time you'd like. Otherwise, grow up and be a man and fulfill your part of the agreement.
>>Anon, seriously. Nobody is forcing you to work for sub-minimum wage pay under threat of homelessness so the ~~*1%*~~ can buy another yacht off the sweat of your labor
>GPT?
Wouldn't be surprised based on the roboticness of those responses kek.
>Verification not required.
>Nobody is forcing you to work for sub-minimum wage pay
Literally this, though. You're a histrionic purple-haired commie moron just like the rest of your generation. You're who we're talking about when we say nobody wants to work. If all the work you can find is minimum-wage work, then you have no skills. Develop some and try to positively contribute to society. In the meanwhile, do what you agreed to you fricking leech.
>waa roboticness
Lmao, someone tells you to man up and stick to your word for once in your life and you have a zoomer meltdown. This is exactly why I avoid hiring zoomers, you're all histrionic "my life is literally slavery" morons.
>Omg literally nobody would say you should be a man of your word, that it must be a chatbot!!!
Lmao
>purple-haired commie
You think Hitler was a leftist don't you?
Not related to the conversation. You're echoing all the hyper-leftist Antifa "seize the means of production" bullshit.
The fact is, you walked in to somewhere to work, and were asked "if we give you $X, will you do Y tasks during Z hours?"
And you said "Yes, I will! That's good!"
And now you're crying and b***hing that you're literally a whipped slave on a plantation and you don't want to do the work but also you want the money still.
That's not how it works. If you say you'll do something, do it, or you're a massive dickless loser and a child.
>bla bla bla israelite word tricks and assorted bullshit
>will you do Y tasks during Z hours?
Why should the hours matter? If I can complete those tasks at home on my own time, why should I be forced to show up to adult daycare where I'll be half as productive and take twice as long to complete them than I would from my infinitely more comfortable home office in peace and quiet with 100% privacy?
Because it's what you agreed to do, holy shit. YOU agreed to work for a set number of hours at a set location. Do modern workers honestly have absolutely no sense of personal integrity?
I've never heard of a programming job that paid based on how many hours you worked.
>Not related to the conversation
You sound like a homosexual, israelite.
I'm not the fraudster whose word is worth nothing- the one that's lying and scheming to steal from the place he agreed to work.
>try to positively contribute to society
So don't work at any modern tech company then?
>Develop some skills, so on and so forth
TL;DR. NTA, but daily reminder that our forefathers were allowed to literally own slaves in every previous era of human history and treat their wives like property in order to force somebody else to do most of the work. Nobody wants to work, and nobody ever has - all of human history is a long, drawn-out process of either pushing work off on others (Slaves, beasts of burden, second-class citizens) or making work more efficient so that you can do less of it (stored energy, fossil fuels, machines).
You want people to work? Vote in a system where I can own thirty browns who do my work for me and whip them like a Saturday Morning Cartoon Supervillain when they get out of line. Simple as.
You drank the coolaid, or you somehow benefit from other people drinking it. The current situation suits you and that's fine. You've also figured out that you need to be more aggressive in pushing opinions, that cement the conditions that benefit you.
What suits you doesn't suit others and the world is changing.
Or maybe you sympathize with the complaining and berate the complainers in order to spur them to action. It doesn't matter. (You)'re just some butthole or a bot and conversing with you is as much of a waste of time as your posting here.
>You drank the coolaid
>t. someone who thinks doing daily standups is literally equivalent in hardship and injustice to being a literal plantation slave
You can try and shame people for having it easier than people did a century ago, but slaves did touch grass and get more sunlight than most people do now. And at least slaves weren't obese because of a sedentary lifestyle and an overconsumption of carbs. I bet slaves got laid more often than most people on IQfy too. Slaves could also choose to escape their masters and go somewhere where no one knows them and start a new life. But that's hard and risky; what if you don't get a better offer than what you had going on before you ran off? It's similar to the current "just quit your job if you don't like it!" Most slaves choose security over freedom and remain slaves. That's what makes you a slave. Not the act of picking cotton in the sun.
Also, I can tell you haven't lived in the country before. After harvest there isn't really that much for a man to do until the end of winter. It's almost impossible to get that much time off from work nowadays.
That, and the suicide rate among slaves was lower than it is among working age people right now.
GPT?
Get back to whipping your own proles, manager.
>M-m-my blue-collar office job I willingly signed up for i-is l-l-literally s-s..SLAVERY!!! Black plantation slaves had it easier than me!!!!!
This argument is getting sad. If you're so insistent upon acting like your mutual agreement to exchange money for work is like literal plantation slavery, then I'd be happy to comply with your weird fantasy, pay you nothing, whip you mercilessly when you displease me, and make you work for 12 hour shifts in the blazing sun with no shade or water.
I didn't agree to be abused by you. You capitalists are all the same, seizing things you have no right to then using every trick in the book to gaslight the rest of us into doing your labor for you.
You agreed to work X hours a day on Y tasks, in exchange for Z money. YOU agreed. Now, suddenly, your types can't be expected to live up to your word. Now, suddenly, you can't uphold your part of the bargain you willingly made. You're a whole generation of disingenuous zero-integrity homosexuals who will say anything to get in the door then expect everything to be given to you for free despite you not contributing anything.
I've worked in an open office before but I've been there from the start, when we moved in, every time so me and another guy on the team who is my IRL friend always maneuvered such that we got desks with our backs to the wall and any "dangerous" angles covered by each other. With an OK position like that it was fine I guess, though still not great. There was a lot of noise pretty often and it was bothersome if I actually wanted to focus on work. I changed jobs since then and I'm WFH nowadays, it's a HUGE improvement.
it's different when you don't have middle managers and scrum meetings
how do you concentrate in a space like that? i feel like i could never be able to get focused and get something done
global thermonuclear war
destroy smartphone, wifi and social media
none of you autists would show up to a LAN party anyways
t.boomer
that's what my american manufacturing tech startup is like, complete with the darkness outside the windows. wish me luck
This proves the problem is not open offices but having to deal with shitty people
So cubicles within an open office?
Way worse than open office.
This reminds me of the way they wall cows in before slaughter. It was also conceived of by an autist.
work for a small company
this is basically a startup
but the mentality has changed, things are orchestrated and no longer ad-hoc
what do startups do now, now that the cheap VC money dried up and it's not realistic to burn VC money growing exponentially hoping to get bought out by big tech before they notice you're about to go bankrupt?
>what do startups do now, now that the cheap VC money dried up
I think they have to resort to making products and selling them to consumers now. It's a disaster all round.
Only the actually viable ones will remain in current climate.
Good, waste of money and time is moronic.
Use time machine.
ew nerds
Truth is, most people suck. This means that:
1. If you apply for a job, most likely you'll have to work with insufferable homosexuals
2. If you have your own company, most likely at some point you'll be forced to hire an insufferable homosexual because no one else will apply
3. If your company is nice and chill, most likely at some point someone spontaneously will become an insufferable homosexual
Situations where you have a bunch of cool bros doing cool stuff in a cool way are extremely rare, and it's even more rare for these things to actually, you know, make money. For every photo like you posted, there are thousands of photos of people working absolutely miserable jobs for even more miserable pay. When you browse notes of game devs, it's been 99% "I hate my job and I hate my life" since basically ever.
We can't because zoomertards ruined everything LAN related. Frickers can't even optimize their own home networks.
Zoomers I've worked with don't even know what a network is, let alone LAN.
I thought the "zoomers are tech illiterate" thing was a meme until we started hiring them.
I wonder what the stacked books are on the floor.
Stop competing for shit tier jobs?
Is your office not comfy to work in? Or didn't get on the work from home train?
It's all staged. Carmack is a psyop.