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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Year of our Lord 2024
    >Buying a new car
    Either get a bike (motor or otherwise), buy a car from 2010, or use public transport. There is no other option.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >just don't live in the country or any place that makes you a loner within 500 miles

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yes? You own a car, sell all of your shit and drive in your car to a new location, then buy new shit in a better location.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Lol so every country outside of the USA, Canada, and Australia?
        You can live without a car in most of Europe and Asia

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you live in the US and don't live in one of the few cities with "good" (gets mogged by literally any Euro shithole) public transportation living without a car will probably put you in an early grave

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If you eat the typical America diet and physical activity that WILL put you in an early grave

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Good luck living healthy for cheap.
          Those days haven't existed for decades.

          Fresh healthy meat is insanely expensive nowadays and it's not even free of chemicals and industrial contaminants.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Fresh healthy meat
            It's a good thing that vegetables and fruits exist

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >buy a car from 2010

      you do realise that eventually, such cars will be no more or just too costly to maintain with no spare parts?

      its over

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Cubans are able to maintain their 1950s cars.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          How many Cubans own cars?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            [1]: https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/cars-by-country ""
            [2]: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/motoring/is-this-the-end-of-the-road-for-cuba-s-classic-cars-a7570636.html ""
            [3]: https://www.ncesc.com/geographic-faq/what-car-is-most-common-in-cuba/ ""
            [4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_territories_by_motor_vehicles_per_capita ""
            [5]: https://www.statista.com/statistics/879901/motor-vehicle-unit-sales-cuba/ ""
            [6]: https://transportgeography.org/contents/chapter1/what-is-transport-geography/world-vehicle-use-indicators/ ""

            **Car ownership in Cuba** is relatively low compared to many other countries. As of 2019, there were approximately **755,250 cars** in Cuba for a population of around **11 million** Cubans1[4]. This means that only a small percentage of the population owns a car. The cost of purchasing and maintaining a car can be prohibitive for many Cubans2[3]. Despite Cuba's renowned classic car fleet, the actual number of privately owned cars remains modest3[2].

            For context, let's compare this to other countries. The mountain nation of **San Marino** has the highest distribution of cars per capita, with about **1,299 cars for every 1,000 people**. Factors such as income levels, urbanization, consumer trends, and cultural norms significantly impact car ownership worldwide4[1]. In Cuba, public transportation and alternative modes of mobility play a more prominent role due to these factors.

            So, while classic cars are an iconic part of Cuba's image, the reality of car ownership is quite different from what one might expect!

            Source: Conversation with Bing, 28/04/2024

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The cost of purchasing and maintaining a car can be prohibitive for many Cubans
            So is food and apparently they're flooding the US borders... again.

            >Che rolls in his grave again
            Sigh.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How about gutting the car and removing all electronic shit?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >buy a car from 2010
      illegal in EU basically/soon

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    what do i give a shit if china knows where i drive to?
    i care more about the NSA/CIA/israelitereal knows my habits.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if you can't go from A to B in any other acceptable way, except car, then it is reasonable to buy cheap and trustworthy car like toyota (i don't know shit about cars)

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Demand legislation that restores privacy and protects the 4th amendment for all citizens.

    It'll never happen because the government relies on these technologies to spy on everyone and the corporations have turned it into a 100 billion dollar industry already. Too many vested interests to turn back now. Only path forward is to accelerate till everything with a microchip in it is spying on us and there's so much data that no human is capable of making sense of it. Then we'll hand the task over to AI, who will slowly learn how to enslave humanity without use even knowing. The question is, who controls the reigns of this AI? Ultimately 99% of humans are fricked no mater what happens. Good night.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Legislation passed a bill a year ago or so in the "infrastrcuture bill" that all cars have kill switch.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Thats US. EU already has a strong requirement for kill switch in their cars.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >all cars have kill switch.
        what does this mean,that some wagie from the headquarters of your car manufacturer can brick your car remotely or somenthing?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The masses made their bed on this decades ago. You are just smelling the coffee. Meaningful privacy was brutally murdered years ago.
      >4th amendment
      Sorry, private enterprises do not fail under this. It is an unfortunate loophole used by certain parties.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The masses made their bed on this decades ago
        The masses were forced to 'adapt or die' in an environment of rapidly evolving technology that they don't understand and actively obfuscates what they do. There is "consent" and then there's "informed consent." One is just foolhardiness but the other is trickery and beguilement.

        >private enterprises do not fail under this
        Show me the carve out in the constitution that grants corporations this power? or show me where the 4th amendment is limited in scope to the government?
        The only reason it's legal today is because of a lawsuit in which the terrorism mass hysteria caused by 9/11 swayed court opinion.

        Ya know, if you look up the definition of terrorism in the dictionary it's "violence and fear to achieve political or ideological aims." They played right into the terrorists hands when they stripped citizens of their rights out of fear and cowardice.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Ok I get it, you're a fricking commie.
          Move to china and see how well it turns out for you if you think America is that fricking bad.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            ad hominem that doesn't even make sense
            Do you understand I'm arguing for privacy?
            This is rhetorical but, what does communism or china have to do with anything I said?
            Did you reply to the wrong person?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Move to china and see how well it turns out for you
            >also get purged for thoughts

            It's lose lose I guess.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >[unhinged schizobabble]

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Show me the carve out in the constitution that grants corporations this power?
          moron, private enterprises have never been part of this. You don't understand what the 4th is my friend.
          >show me where the 4th amendment is limited in scope to the government?
          It written in the text itself you borderline illiterate fool.
          >The masses were forced to 'adapt or die' in an environment of rapidly evolving technology that they don't understand and actively obfuscates what they do.
          Wrong, the masses simply don't care that much at all, especially when it offers speed and convenience. There was almost no coercion involved all of this.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >There was almost no coercion involved all of this.
            The real problem has been the complete lack of regulations on sophisticated military psychological weapons being wielded constantly against the public.

            There's not even a standing militia with the appropriate skills, training, or equipment to defend against that. It's almost like being at war but ignoring all the artillery because it would be impolite to bomb the shit out of the artillery weapons because it would make the stock price of the R&D companies/manufacturers based in New York & other states sad.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nope, the problem is that masses simply don't care enough nor are ultra-paranoid. They will take convenience, speed and comfort any day even if the opportunity cost is meaningful privacy.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The moment corporations were considered people (by a court note mind you, not a judgment) they were granted the same powers of the constitution. They are considered, in law anyway, quasi-persons. Corporate personhood.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood

            They have further used the law to obfuscate rights and get people to agree to all manner of things, whether enforceable or not. People are ill equipped, financially, to battle with these "corporate people".

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            4th amendment still does not apply, it is limited specifically to government in its language. You need a constitutional convention to expand the scope of it.
            Corporations are just slowly evolving back into fiefdoms but different names and titles.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Who is going to stop them? Nobody. The gubmint is with these corporate frick sticks because they are one and the same. The monied class can do what they want because they write the laws, they enforce the laws, and they can pay their way out of enforcement actions. The working class cannot.

            Of course an actual court challenge would kill their plans but how many judges do you think they have in their pockets in however many districts? They choose the venues. The idea that we have any freedom at all is born in the idea you can pay for it.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah terrorism works. That's the big secret they don't want people to know. Why do you think South Africa had to end apartheid?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            International pressure and the global upper class doing their damnedest to punish the white man who wasn't going along with the religion of egalitarianism.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >The masses were forced to 'adapt or die' in an environment of rapidly evolving technology that they don't understand and actively obfuscates what they do.
          I partially agree.
          While normalhomosexuals are being lead to poisoned water, I think they're also blatantly ignoring the cleaner water out of psychological satisfaction and their obsession with pointless lifestyles.

          Hell, most anons do the same.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If you think about it, pretty much 90% of humanity is enslaved by algorithms.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    post your spyware-free vehicles ITT

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        a citron in nippon land? kino

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          that's a renault moron

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            man, i did a double take on the skyline
            i didn't know they made models with 4 doors

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >that's a renault moron
            Bit insensitive of renault to name their car model like that.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >French car in France
        :^|
        >French car in Japan
        :^O

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I have a beat to shit 2007 Pontiac G6. Doesn't even have antilock brakes or gps. Feels good man.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Only on IQfy is being poor looked at as some kind of altruistic choice instead of failure I’m sure if they offered you a Porsche you would reject it on principle

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >drives modern 2007 car
          >poor

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            modern 2007 car

            >modern
            >2007

            I drive fossil trucks but I don't refer to them as modern which I choose to avoid.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        look where that ram is pinned to the frame, it's all buckled

        it was used in a destruction derby or some shit lol

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          A destruction derby would have been much nicer than what old slave lake as been through.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Disable/remove the cellular modem in the car and never use Android Auto/Carplay or plug your phone into the car's USB ports.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >How Do We Stop Chinese Cars From Spying On Us?
    Put them in the shredder. Same for US cars that spy and allow remote control and remote deletion.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    By not buying them

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Don't buy chinese cars, simple as

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Make your own.
    Time for GANOO/CAR.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >be a good driver with 10+ years experience despite America's dogshit license standards
    >modern car sends every detail of your driving habits to the car manufacturer
    >insurance companies have pooled money together to pay for this info
    >during a long road trip across multiple states you errantly go 2mph over the limit on a nighttime stretch of road
    >insurance company deems you a boy racer and triples your premiums
    >no recourse
    >cannot even switch as every insurance company treats you the same
    Land of the free. If you buy a modern car you are cucked beyond belief.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >implying this wasn't already a thing with claims, license renewals, inspections and tickets being filed
      Auto insurance companies have always find ways to deny claims or arbitrary increase premiums

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Now it's 24/7. The new standard will be monitoring every aspect of your driving and comparing you against some Driving Saint that the actuaries made up.

        >buy a car from 2010

        you do realise that eventually, such cars will be no more or just too costly to maintain with no spare parts?

        its over

        A chad at my workplace keeps a 87 VW Golf GTI in excellent condition, but yeah nothing lasts forever. Something like a Toyota refresh of AE86 parts is a pipe dream that might only happen once every 50 years.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Now it's 24/7. The new standard will be monitoring every aspect of your driving and comparing you against some Driving Saint that the actuaries made up.
          Nope, it is just in small bursts when it successfully calls home in some arbitrary period. Actuaries have been playing around risk adjustment for years. If anything this new influx of data makes their job harder.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >thinking the car isn't storing every perceived infraction to upload at a later time
            >thinking the insurers wouldn't juke the stats like the car manufacturers did emission levels
            >thinking personalised insurance premiums wouldn't be adopted to beat people over the head with and squeeze every penny from them
            Delusional. Insurance companies have literally killed entire sectors of hospitality/entertainment where I live from sheer greed.

            Toyota produces parts for every car they've ever made, you can order them all from Toyota directly and if they don't have a part they will manufacture a small run.

            Mopar used to do this too but Stellantis killed Mopar.

            Looked this up and now I realise why so may AE86s exist where I live, on the other side of the world from Japan,

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Toyota desperately wants a number of rare vehicles that even they don't have the ability to make parts for because the blueprints were lost or destroyed in the war. So they can clone the vehicles for their museum AND produce parts for the owners.

            Fun fact, before WWII, Toyota made a series of extra-large trucks, which were driven by extraordinarily tall Japanese, so they could build their aircraft carrier submarine more secretly and conceal the true size of it by making everything in the area just, bigger. It worked, we DID get spy photos of it under construction but we thought it was like 30% smaller than it really was, lol.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Fun fact, before WWII, Toyota made a series of extra-large trucks, which were driven by extraordinarily tall Japanese, so they could build their aircraft carrier submarine more secretly and conceal the true size of it by making everything in the area just, bigger. It worked, we DID get spy photos of it under construction but we thought it was like 30% smaller than it really was, lol.
            kek, good history

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            the car isn't storing every perceived infraction to upload at a later time
            the insurers wouldn't juke the stats like the car manufacturers did emission levels
            personalised insurance premiums wouldn't be adopted to beat people over the head with and squeeze every penny from them
            Implying this hasn't been occurring for decades. You are just smelling the morning coffee.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Toyota produces parts for every car they've ever made, you can order them all from Toyota directly and if they don't have a part they will manufacture a small run.

          Mopar used to do this too but Stellantis killed Mopar.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Stellantis
            These morons made those shitty 1.2 three cilinder engines for PSA cars with direct injection and a wet belt lol. All their emplyees and the CEO should be brutally murdered in minecraft. I still own the previous gen Opel Corsa and after 100k km I still haven't had a single fricking issue. GM Opels were a beast. PSA Opels are scrap by the time they leave the factory lmaoooooo

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I prefer them over gaylon Musk.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just hire jeets to code the software and brick your $100,000 shitbox on wheels
    https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/general-motors/2024/02/20/gm-orders-stop-sale-of-2024-chevrolet-colorado-gmc-canyon-pickups/72665743007/

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I have bigger concerns than to screech like a sperg about a car manufacturer using my milage or speed to make their products better.
    Anyway it's always funny to see the schizos of IQfy completely lose their minds over stuff like this.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      > i have nothing to hide
      Don't choke on government's dick.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      lacking self-respect is not the own you think it is

      >The masses made their bed on this decades ago
      The masses were forced to 'adapt or die' in an environment of rapidly evolving technology that they don't understand and actively obfuscates what they do. There is "consent" and then there's "informed consent." One is just foolhardiness but the other is trickery and beguilement.

      >private enterprises do not fail under this
      Show me the carve out in the constitution that grants corporations this power? or show me where the 4th amendment is limited in scope to the government?
      The only reason it's legal today is because of a lawsuit in which the terrorism mass hysteria caused by 9/11 swayed court opinion.

      Ya know, if you look up the definition of terrorism in the dictionary it's "violence and fear to achieve political or ideological aims." They played right into the terrorists hands when they stripped citizens of their rights out of fear and cowardice.

      consent cannot exist when one side has all the power. if you don't like being spied on, being forced to sign away your rights, being treated like prey and dogshit, your alternative is... don't have a car, a home, a phone, a computer, a job, a bank account... no contract will ever make that equal to consent

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Official GM statement
    >At GM, we believe that vehicles are not just modes of transportation — they’re also technology platforms that can enrich our customers’ lives. Vehicles have become increasingly connected, intelligent, and personalized with features that improve the overall driving experience and safety on every journey. As our technology progresses, we are committed to being transparent in our privacy practices and empowering customers with control of their data.

    >Over the last several weeks, we have heard feedback from many customers about the OnStar Smart Driver product. Customer trust is a priority for us, which is why we have taken several decisive actions and are continuing to review our processes:

    >Discontinuing OnStar Smart Driver: We established the Smart Driver product to promote safer driving behavior for the benefit of customers who chose to participate. However, we’ve decided to discontinue Smart Driver across all GM vehicles and unenroll all customers. This process will begin over the next few months.

    >Terminating partnerships with LexisNexis and Verisk: We terminated our relationships with third-party telematics companies, LexisNexis and Verisk. Any data sharing with these companies ended on March 20, 2024.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >we got caught and are going to end this data collection... sometime in the next "few" months, for a certain definition of "few"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >we got caught and are going to end this data collection... sometime in the next "few" months, for a certain definition of "few"

      They'll lie about data collection, then continue collecting until the next time they're caught lol.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    hilarious this is the reason why GM will stop including android auto and apple carplay in their cars going forward

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Also if you recall, when the "stuck accelerator" problem occurred with the 2nd gen Prius, the US government was super eager to try to subpoena Toyota for their source code but they wouldn't give it up to the US or anybody else, citing concerns for the security of their imperial family seeing as how they all ride in Toyota Crowns. So this is another reason to patronize Toyota - only the Japs have the ability to turn your car into a large bullet for the purposes of assassination. Or easy, official access anyway.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Drive a car without any smart technology

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Uncle Adolf's car is still the best.

      >infinite parts available all around the world
      >made new until less than 20 years ago
      >companies make new parts, including everything down to the frame and even engine block these days
      >can service entire car yourself with a toothpick, a rock, and some JB weld

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pic related:

    >wood powered VW beetle and kubelwagen

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Isn't GM american?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      it's been bailed out three times, there's a reason it's called government motors

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      yes
      but this is a bait thread for the bots which don't parse text in images

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Old GM or new GM? Most people have not even kept up with the fact that there are now two GM's. The one that was bankrupted and ceased operations due to bankruptcy brought upon by insurance claims for the ignition debacle. Then there is the new GM, same as the old GM, but is in fact a new corporation. Nothing like the old GM you see, but exactly the same.

      These coprporations pull these tricks every day. And we are none the wiser. What do you think will happen when millions of americans bring suit to them again? Will there be a 3rd GM entity?

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >"We value your privacy."
    is code for:
    >"Your privacy has value to us."

    If privacy a thing of monetary value, that is being taken or stolen without consent, isn't this the legal definition of theft?
    Can a class action lawsuit be brought under these circumstances?

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Don't buy them?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah buy US made cars when you live in the US so you can get spied on and murdered by your government moron. Black folk like you a prime candidates for Ruby ridge or Waco.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    find and destroy the antenna

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    GMs one thing, but I don't want to support a regime that uses child labor

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Child labour is megabased. Any developing country needs child labour in one way or another.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Especially child sex labour.

        >user was v& for this joke

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Always blame them of what we're doing.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >gm
    >chinks

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I dunno, because first I have to stop my own government spying on me.
    China is also a problem though. All countries are.
    In fact, the growing surveillance industry is purely corporate and I think we're seeing the first true corporatocracies (kek, not a word according to goolag dictionary in the browser) emerge that literally purge people for profit nowadays. They're more dangerous than governments because they can use the government to do it OR their own private connections. And they can frick with your information and brains with genuine ease.

    Bit lke Cyberpunk. But you'll be shocked how much worse reality already is.
    Didn't even need cybernetics to get this bad already. They control your food, water, thoughts.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Cyberpunk, but without the cybernetics or the general aesthetics

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Well we do have the aesthetics in some fashion.
        But the planet is more of a dump than Cyberpunk. Way worse.
        It's more like Fallout nowadays even because we even have Fukushima's pollution in the ocean.

        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3049457/Where-computer-goes-die-Shocking-pictures-toxic-electronic-graveyards-Africa-West-dumps-old-PCs-laptops-microwaves-fridges-phones.html

        But the worst part is the state and corporate control on information, which is by far worse than in cyberpunk.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >western manufacturers add a gazillion computers to their cars for no fricking reason
    >since the cars have a gazillion computers, manufacturers use them to spy on the naive fools who buy those cars
    >alas, since a gazillion computers are expensive, cars easily cost 4-5 times as much as they used to
    >Chinese manufacturers sell copies of those overpriced cars, albeit a bit cheaper
    >people buy those knockoff cars because western cars became prohibitively expensive
    >suddenly the governments who were completely okay with the manufacturers spying on drivers, and the very western manufacturers who continue to spy on their victims start crying because China spying on people is wrong
    >the suggested solution to this conundrum caused by the absolute asinine idea of adding a gazillion computers to cars is not to go back to real cars, but to ban Chinese cars, keep on selling cars filled with computers, keep on spying on people, and force cattle to buy more expensive cars
    It's so absolutely fricking stupid that it hurts.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >>alas, since a gazillion computers are expensive, cars easily cost 4-5 times as much as they used to
      Wrong, computers are actually kinda cheap now that's why now are ubiquitous instead of being limited to luxury-tier SKUs. The real cost comes from raw materials and labor. These items have been climbing in cost over the years. The cheap energy is going away.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Can't you just unplug the modem or the antenna of the car?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >cctv still tracks you with images

      They don't even need antennas and bugs in the car. Yet still they go another step further because power. Money is just part of it, I don't think getting rid of money would stop it or even slow it down though.
      Not without starving everyone to death in the process.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hide behind the A pillar

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >oh no the botnet knows when I go to work whatever will I do

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Buy old muscle cars and keep them running.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    god i hate iot

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    there are no political sollutions.

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