That's why you don't use all the energy from your planet, you use all the energy from another planet no one cares about. Like Neptune. Seriously, who cares about Neptune?
It's a lot more likely that a civilization would not transition between these types evenly, and would instead start pursuing number 2 while still being under the threshold of number 1, and achieve #1 before starting to pursue number 3
We have the following existential threats we need to solve to even fricking SURVIVE THE FRICKING CENTURY: > Global warming & its consequences (uncontrollable at our tech level) > AGI without morals, and tech singularity (Assuming israelitegle really has created a ML model capable of passing at least the Turing test - they have advanced models, ginormous datasets, cpu power, quantum supremacy, and human experience in creating and operating ML at scale) > Global thermonuclear war (USSR vs Ukraine escalation)
OK, and after solving all of these, you need to tackle the following to regain civilization > Fix the Internet to end surveillance capitalism and silicon valley libertards - regain a forum for free and open information interchange for social progress > Fix antitrust and enact a true global minimum tax - prevent the world spiraling into a cyberpunk dystopia > Fix religious extremism - ends conservatards, ends wars in Africa, makes half the world population productive and be able to integrated into the world > Disband five eyes and release FOSS crypto without backdoors to civvies - ends govt corruption, and allows free press > Stable population (all countries should move toward a reproduction level of births and a balanced age structure to prevent either overpopulation inducing wars & emigration or underpopulation causing healthcare and pensions to collapse under the weight of the elderly)
Now then we can talk about ascending to Kardashev I. First step is a reactionless engine. (A means of spacecraft propulsion that doesn't need to expel reaction mass to produce deltaV)
global warming is based because it will kill a lot of worthless people and make cold locations more habitable
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it will kill a lot of worthless people
Along with about 95% of the useful people, over time, while the israelitest of israelites live in artificial habitats for perpetuity.
global warming is survivable, yeah it sucks, but the environment has always been hostile, the dutch have already shown how to start approaching rising sea levels for centuries for everything else start pretending you're an explorer on a planet hostile to life and work for everyone to survive that
2 years ago
Anonymous
if anybody actually believed global warming were an "existential threat" they'd be dumping massive amounts of SO2 into the upper atmosphere or working on other geoengineering projects. yes, it would have other bad consequences, but if you truly believe we're in danger of becoming venus it's not even close to being a bad deal.
nobody actually believes global warming is an existential threat, they just want you to suffer. global warming is an excuse to deindustrialize the west and restrict the supply of energy, nothing more.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Everyone believes Global Warming is an existential threat. However dealing with it looks bad on the bottom line. Therefore israelites decided that we shouldn't. They have a way out (
>it will kill a lot of worthless people
Along with about 95% of the useful people, over time, while the israelitest of israelites live in artificial habitats for perpetuity.
). We don't.
global warming is survivable, yeah it sucks, but the environment has always been hostile, the dutch have already shown how to start approaching rising sea levels for centuries for everything else start pretending you're an explorer on a planet hostile to life and work for everyone to survive that
Great. "Stop making the planet more hostile to life... please?" have not worked for 50 years. Only thing that does is going innawoods, and try to live off the land, so you save at least your family. But muh iPhone and muh adbook will be sorely missed by the children, so one gun, and two bullets each before Black person marauder hordes gangrape my daughters. Until then, it's the dog in the burning café meme.
you will literally never be a woman
And who wanted to be? Do yourself a favor, and block stormgay sites and /misc/ on your dns adblocker. It's july, homosexual month is finally over, evict the troons living in your head rent free.
global warming is based because it will kill a lot of worthless people and make cold locations more habitable
As it runs down, Black folk are the most equipped in surviving global warming. After then it's either Mad Max, a fast drop to the Stone Age, a nuclear holocaust eradicating all remaining traces of life fro Earth as a braindead Muslim warlord gets the launch codes, or the locust swarm eating everything off the land and imploding upon itself in a series of endless and pointless wars.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Everyone believes Global Warming is an existential threat.
Lolno. Things are going to be shitty for a few generations, yes, but unless we manage to turn Earth into another Venus (all but impossible), it's not going to wipe out humanity.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What's your standard for humanity?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>As it runs down, Black folk are the most equipped in surviving global warming
they are reliant on western nations for food, once food supplies get severely constrained (like they are starting to be because of ukraine) what are they going to do, eat each other?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Black folk live in Africa which is fricking hard to farm thanks to its arid climate. When global warming catches up, Africa will be far more drier than it's now. So noggers will go to yurop where Germany will wait for them with outstretched arms. In 20 years, they will be the majority, establishing the United Islamic Caliphates of Europe as a joint Saudi/Chinese venture. It immediately falls to the middle ages and: > Scenario 1: Gulf Stream stops
Yurop is now as cold as Canada and how it's supposed to be at that latitude. Fortunately, due to Global Warming, those latitudes are now far hotter than they should be, so the climate will be more or less the same as now. So even they could subsistence farm until the lands become barren. > Scenario 2: Ice Age
... and they freeze there. Good riddance! The albedo of the Earth will be enough to clean itself up, humanity gets a fresh start back at the neanderthal stage. > Scenario 3: Gulf Stream remains
... and yurop will be the semi-arid dry wasteland Africa is now, complete with malaria, aids and Black folk. They flee further to the nordic nations, also caliphate territory and starve there because you need precision tech to rhrive in the mountains.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>trying to make the planet better hasn't worked for the past 50 years
HOW ARE YOU PEOPLE REAL? BY WHAT FRICKING METRIC? We have the highest population in human history, highest food production in human history, population growth... the list is almost infinite and ever increasing. All environmental scare is based of projections and mathematical models that have been wrong since it's very inception. It's always a few years away. I'm sure it still is you psychopath.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>if anybody actually believed global warming were an "existential threat" they'd be dumping massive amounts of SO2 into the upper atmosphere or working on other geoengineering projects
Why? AGW won't kill us, it'll kill our descendants. They simply do not care because it is not their problem.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The whole carbon taxing is nothing more than rationing the dwindling supplies of hydrocarbons by the elite.
The masses would riot if they sell the rationing angle at face value so elite repackages as "Green Energy and Saving the Planet" (What a joke).
Elites don't want to give-up their opulent lifestyles no matter the cost.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>global warming is survivable
.t
Doesn't undertand that +2/3 degrees increase of Earth average temperature means huge climatic changes (in the precipitation distribution for example) and a huge number of species fricked up, which they already where thanks to urbanisation, cutting forrests and intensive agriculture.
I don't know whaere the frick you live, but I live in Europe, and we already have droughts that prevent us from growing plants we used to grow. And on top of that, the winters are not cold enough, which means some plants don't develop buds properly, AND, plants start growing like they should at spring time way too soon in february/march, and are killed when the inevitable cold wave happens in april.
So you don't care if one year the food production is down by 50% ?
Got it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Basically I follow the heuristic of not trusting globohomo.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You don't know what "globohomo" is.
It'd be simpler to just admit you have no actual opinions on the matter and are just being contrarian.
2 years ago
Anonymous
it sounds like you're trying really hard to justify your student debt
2 years ago
Anonymous
shalom
2 years ago
Anonymous
>I don't know whaere the frick you live, but I live in Europe, and we already have droughts that prevent us from growing plants we used to grow.
I bet you are german only germans are mentally ill ecologists. >muh lets take away all european citizen's freedom for muh environment even though we are basically irelevant by all polution metrics.And free trade with china of course.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>/misc/ screencap unrelated to what he said >Ignores that western trade is literally just exporting pollution
Literally brainlet tier. Go back.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Ignores that western trade is literally just exporting pollution
because of you eco morons globalists and your muh lets regulate the frick out of everything and buy it from china instead.We could produce everything here and it wouldnt polute as much.If you really cared about muh global warming you wold stop trade with china immediately not carbon tax poeple and subsidise bulshit tehnology.
>Fix the Internet to end surveillance capitalism and silicon valley libertards - regain a forum for free and open information interchange for social progress
Freedom is not required for scientific or social progress. Nazi Germany made a lot of shit happen with very little freedom, medieval Europe as well and so did USSR.
This is especially true for social progress. A man content with what he has will not start a revolution. >Fix antitrust and enact a true global minimum tax - prevent the world spiraling into a cyberpunk dystopia
Whether it's corporations or governments someones gotta be at the top. If there were no rich then everyone'd be poor. Also a global minimum tax is one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard and would basically require a single leader global dictatorship. >Fix religious extremism - ends conservatards, ends wars in Africa, makes half the world population productive and be able to integrated into the world
Future scifi tech will cause religious extremism of its own as humanity will be divided into the enchanced and the rest. It'll be a worse divide than anything mankind has seen before.
Wars in Africa are caused by humans being buttholes. Don't need religion to enact slavery, you just need someone to enslave.
A significant chunk of the world population can not be integrated into anything even remotely resembling a modern first world society. Just look at Afghanistan, they outright rejected what we had to offer. >Disband five eyes and release FOSS crypto without backdoors to civvies - ends govt corruption, and allows free press
Of course. As we all know before computers there was no government corruption or suppression of the free press. Now if you don't mind peacefully coming with these two gentleman so we can discuss this at peace elsewhere.... >Stable population
Population control! The most democractic and free of all ideas. By the way how did that work out for the chinese?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>very little freedom, medieval Europe as well
It was decentralized as frick it couldnt have been all tyrany not every lord was narcisistic butthole.And most progress came from italian free cities that had basically democracy.Venice also offered more freedom and oportunity to get rich to average man that you have today simple contracts every sailor could get rich.
2 years ago
Anonymous
> Nazi Germany made a lot of shit happen with very little freedom
Einstein, Teller, et. al, the masterminds behind the A-bomb emigrated. Scientific progress during & after WW2 (yes, this includes Paperclip, which is Nazi scientists working for the States) was the result of infinite defense budgets. In the USSR, it was further supported by the propaganda budgets (creating Tech X before the Murricans was considered a propaganda win).
So why not simply pump money into education & research? Because that's the surest way to get High Tech Low Society - the exact trap we have now. We have computers the size of your hand, the Internet, encryption and self hosting. The Internet is used to create a dystopian corpo surveillance state worse than the worst nightmare of Orwell.
Encryption is used by pedos, terrorists and drug dealers, so government feels righteous to crack it down and take it away from those who actually need it (dissidents, whistleblowers and undercover reporters).
All new efficiency tech like LEDs, and hybrid cars are used to make bigger, more wasteful versions of the tech they replaced. (Gas guzzler SUVs are offered as plug in hybrid with tax incentives and at most a 5 mile electric range. We have LEDs, so we really need to put RGayB stripes on fricking everything.)
> Whether it's corporations or governments someones gotta be at the top.
Governments are elected, corpo CEOs are not. Now corpos have the power, and see what they do. Government seems to be the lesser of two evils by far.
> and would basically require a single leader global dictatorship.
The UN. And it's fricking high time it did SOMETHING. Fricking anything.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Encryption is used by pedos, terrorists and drug dealers, so government feels righteous to crack it down and take it away from those who actually need it (dissidents, whistleblowers and undercover reporters). >Crack down on MATH
Ok moron
2 years ago
Anonymous
(cont.)
> Just look at Afghanistan, they outright rejected what we had to offer.
Before the Taliban, Afghanistan was an up-and-coming nation similar to the States back then. During the Occupation, we have shown the worst the West had to offer, and still do nothing about the Taliban. All the while the Taliban was funded by the Saudi in their petro-Islam program aimed to destabilize the entire region ensuring Saudi hegemony in Arabia. Paid for by (You) every time you fill up.
> humanity will be divided into the enchanced and the rest > It'll be a worse divide than anything mankind has seen before.
"haves" and "have nots" are an age old story. The effects of augmentation will be downplayed by the corpo MSM, so normies will see that the divide still runs between conservatards and libertards (bots on adbook trained to echo the most extreme of either view). SJWs will actually defend the augmented, and provide an echo chamber for lobbyists to help corpos save on lobbying costs/bribes.
> By the way how did that work out for the chinese?
Actually, great. The world is better off without 1-1.5 billion more Chinese whose births were prevented by the OCP. Only problems were: > conservatards selectively aborting girls, creating a heavy boy-girl imbalance. 2/10 girls can choose between 8/10 guys, creating millions of sexually frustrated incels who would otherwise have access to enough sex and a wife. The lack of girls is now heavily limiting the future of China causing a steeper population decline than projected. > hard cutoffs without projections also create an overly large population of elderly people who need to be cared for. This overloads the healthcare system, and puts further strain on women whose role traditionally is to look after elders... or they would if they weren't aborted in the first place!
the scale is stupid
we will never build that shit around stars, it'd be way easier to just harvest radioactive material on planets than try and set up dyson spheres
you don't understand. there's no reason to build dyson spheres, a space bearing civilisation isn't going to sit around a star for no reason, it'd be constantly moving to different solar systems, which is why radioactive fuel is the only choice. Unless they use a star as the fuel source for their ship where they can carry it with them, but I don't know if that's even physically possible
What a bout a series of millions of drones around the sun capable of storing the nuclear & solar energy
>but I don't know if that's even physically possible
It's possible to push a star with the energy it provides. Lasers and shit.
2 years ago
Anonymous
sure but no way it's enough to accelerate the star to the speeds necessary for space travel
2 years ago
Anonymous
Is there some kind of minimum speed below which you're not travelling in space?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It's possible to push a star with the energy it provides. Lasers and shit.
isn't that literally what an EM Drive was? And that it didn't work since it's the equivalent of pushing your car's windshield while inside it, to generate thrust?
>it'd be constantly moving to different solar systems
No it wouldn't, that's totally moronic. You don't move entire civilizations around, that would be insanely expensive for no benefit whatsoever.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wydm no benefit?
You get all the new planets resources
2 years ago
Anonymous
By the time you can even begin to think about moving your entire civilization to a different star system, the only scarce resource will be energy. Figuratively scarce, literally speaking you'll be swimming in the stuff since you have entire star's energy output to play with.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why don't we just move the star system?
2 years ago
Anonymous
The priorities as of now are ridiculous
Trillions riding on the website momentum from the 90s
Just keep milking that cow endessly
There ought to be at least some guidance of the markets. Some kind of dirigisme.
By that I mean restricting what people invest in. They ought to be investing in robots, fusion power and space.
2 years ago
Anonymous
By the time you can even begin to think about moving your entire civilization to a different star system, the only scarce resource will be energy. Figuratively scarce, literally speaking you'll be swimming in the stuff since you have entire star's energy output to play with.
Also, that doesn't mean you don't exploit other star systems, it means that you exploit them by sending colonies, not by packing everyone up and spending 1000 times your annual GDP to move for no reason.
If there's no speed of light travel, then the space facing civilization would need to optimize for all the energy available in their own solar system. The scale is there as a realistic measure of tool. Not fantasy's FTL drives or some nonsense.
>millions of drones around the sun
at the lowest/closest altitude necessary to not incinerate them outright, this would "cover" only an imperceptible portion of the sun at the scale of merely 'millions'
you would have never reached nuclear fission with that type of thinking, that's the point.
2 years ago
Anonymous
idk anon, building a dyson sphere is akin to building a planet-sized steam engine
it's dumb in its own way
2 years ago
Anonymous
1. I don't see how it's at all like a steam engine.
2. You do realize that Nuclear power is ultimately used to power steam turbines. The only reason we don't call it a "steam engine" is because idiots like you put vague, unfalsifiable aesthetic weight on these terms. Steam doesn't power shit and never has; it's a medium for transferring power.
2 years ago
Anonymous
1. it's an analogy
2. i'm not sure what you're saying tbh
It would be kind of stupid to let the biggest fusion reactor within several light years go to waste even if you can build smaller ones.
i guess so. but i do wonder whether we'll reach a point where we have more than enough energy without going that far. E.g. if our descendants figure out how to harvest sizeable amounts of antimatter from natural sources like thunderstorms
2 years ago
Anonymous
we will never have "too much" energy, because having access to vast amounts of harvestable energy automatically suggests that you can use that energy for even bigger projects. And humanity has show itself to be insatiable. Nothing will be good enough, because there is always a 'better' out there.
There is hardly a challange in this world that cannot be solved by having the ability of rooting more energy into it. And the more challanges you solve, the closer you get to solve even bigger challanges. A process that will only stop at a point at which you have full control over the universe.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>we will never have "too much" energy >yfw you realize your energy exceeds the schwarzschild radius
2 years ago
Anonymous
It would be kind of stupid to let the biggest fusion reactor within several light years go to waste even if you can build smaller ones.
I don't know, other planets are pretty far away. You can't just assume FTL is possible. But a Dyson Sphere is not outside of the realm of physics, at least not in a way that's easy to articulate.
you could condense matter to the point that the gravitational field is so strong that it folds space itself. Like using black holes to shorten distances.
but you would need a tech to except yourself and your shit fron the pull, otherwise you won't see any benefit from it. and that's the probably even more difficult challenge.
2 years ago
Anonymous
How do you condense matter with pinpoint precision
2 years ago
Anonymous
like this
If you read about the Alcubierre drive idea, it involves warping space... so the ship may be only travelling at say 200000m/s relative, but when you factor in how much space is warped, it may be travelling at multiple times the speed of light from an outside observers point of view.
you could condense matter to the point that the gravitational field is so strong that it folds space itself. Like using black holes to shorten distances.
but you would need a tech to except yourself and your shit fron the pull, otherwise you won't see any benefit from it. and that's the probably even more difficult challenge.
Dyson spheres are exactly what a type II civilization would build. They're not hard to start on either: put a few satellites in sun orbit collecting solar energy and relaying it back here in some way. Gradually add more in non intersecting orbits as you need more energy. When your cloud of satellites eventually blots out nearly all light from the sun that would exit the solar system, you have a Dyson sphere.
>relaying it back
99.9% of the energy would go straight into producing more satellites or moving people from planets onto the satellites that produce to "climb" to the satellites that consume.
At least when we're talking about Humans.
That's what happens before long, but it would probably start out as a way to get more energy here on earth, and begin with a few earth orbit satellites.
you have to think about profit though, if you spend 1 satellite and it produces 2 satellites over time then that's beyond good since it scales exponentially
You're specific implementation is moronic, but your concept is sound. It's called a dyson swarm and it's WAY more viable than a dyson sphere.
This is an incredibly wonky scale by modern standards.
They've added more stages to make it "fit" into a scale, but in reality something like a dyson swarm is theoretically just advancements in materials for stellar lifting, we already have automation that was mythical in Kardashev's time.
That dyson grid would require more mass than is probably present in our entire solar system, and most of it would probably not even be useful. We'd need to make reaching other star system easier and more convenient than it currently is to get across an ocean.
You do the math.
Exactly, this scale is complete nonsense. It's completely out of balance with nature to the point where it wouldn't be practical even from an industrial point of view.
The kardashev scale is a retareded 60s fever dream. Consooming all of the usable energy on Earth all at once is neither necessary nor desirable. Space is a nightmarish hellscape, abandoning the only place that can passively sustain life we know of for the sake of technooloogical advooncement is moronic.
Also the Dyson sphere meme is absurd. Even if you used up all the matter from every object orbiting the sun you still wouldn't be able to achieve anything close to it.
>Dyson sphere meme is absurd. Even if you used up all the matter from every object orbiting the sun you still wouldn't be able to achieve anything close to it.
what about drones
i sure love the thought of an exponentially growing population fighting for resources in a limited space while constantly at risk of just being ended at any moment by an asteroid or supervolcano
>i sure love the thought of an exponentially growing population fighting for resources in a limited space
You still have limited resources in space dumbass. Any kind of space colonization effort would require the colonizers to bring all the necessary materials to sustain themselves with them because that shit doesn't exist in space, or at the very least isn't practical to extract.
You also, ironically, have limited space in space, since any off-planet human habitat would need to be artificially manufactured, likely entirely using materials extracted from Earth. >while constantly at risk of just being ended at any moment by an asteroid or supervolcano
In the future you expect us to have the technology use up entire planets for energy but not the technology prevent an asteroid strike? Regardless, one particularly bad solar flare and your entire heckin type-1 civilizationerino is donezo, so this point is irrelevant.
Water would probably be the most valuable resource to a space-faring civilization, and the only place we know of in our solar system that has it is Earth and some comets. The latter would be prohibitively expensive to extract water from, and we have no way of knowing that it would even be useful in life-sustaining applications. Any extrasolar expedition for water would take way too long and require way too many upfront resources to be useful.
You also need soil with the appropriate nutrients to grow crops and feed livestock. Considering most of those nutrients come from earth life and need to be continually replenished, good luck finding that off-planet.
You'll need oxygen in order to breathe, which, lol.
And those are just the very, very basics.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Water would probably be the most valuable resource to a space-faring civilization
Water is among the most common molecules in the universe (and even if you can't find any, hydrogen and oxygen are everywhere, although FREE oxygen is quite a bit more rare). LIQUID water is somewhat rare, but that's only because you need atmosphere (or some sort of pressure vessel) for it to occur.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>what if we just, like, make more water
Damn bro I didn't think of that. Shit man, let's go heckin terraform marserino.
2 years ago
Anonymous
There are lots of problems with trying to terraform Mars. "There isn't enough water in the solar system" is not one of them.
for all practical purposes, it does, unless you want to build a supply chain which could have centuries of latency before you find out something went wrong or you have to prioritize different resources
Sounds like a shit plan. Like making the BLAME megastructure except somewhere else
If I were building a Dyson sphere and ran up against those kinds of shortages, I'd consider making the scarce elements I need using nuclear fusion and waiting a bit
If your civilization is at the ridiculous scale where it would have some practical use for that much energy - I can't even imagine what - then it's probably already interstellar and has something figured out for logistics across its territory. I would expect such a project to take a very, very long time to build in any case.
That's a stupid fricking classification based on outdated ideology
Why would an advanced civilization need to harvest solar energy if they would have mastered microblack hole and/or fusion tech and other more exotic forms energy creation we haven't thought of?
All of that stuff is way, way more hypothetical than what is being talked about here. Yeah all that shit goes out the window if you can use quantum entanglement to somehow safely and in a controlled manner use the gravity of a black hole to generate all the energy you'd ever need, or somehow be able to control "micro black holes" without having a chance of deleting the entire civilization if you get a "leak", or if you can use dark matter/energy, or trans-dimensional forms, or other quantum mechanics stuff...but that's for the moment basically in the realm of sci-fi alongside warp drives and other FTL tech.
At least Kardashev scale doesn't require those kind of "understanding AND control of physics/the universe" breakthroughs especially given we're starting from a type 0 civilization here and still basically killing each other and polluting our own environment over energy and other resources.
The energy harvested from micro black holes come in the form of hawking radiation, not some theoretical gravity frickery
It's actually theoretically viable, just not practical in <current year> since our particle colliders are orders of magnitudes too weak to do something like that
Constructing a massive structure around the sun otoh, is just a massive pipedream due to the logistics involved
That theoretical gravity frickery is in short the hawking radiation you are talking about, the emanation from constantly falling/pull near the event horizon. Theoretical physics are still debating the causes and parameters much less if it could be controlled safely - creating even a "micro" black hole with even a hypothetically powerful enough collider could have untold levels of devastation either through just the normal progression (ie it becomes self sustaining and a true black hole, necessary for energy generation) and/or some sort of accident (ie mass is fed into it causing it to grow etc ) even if this stuff works the way we think it does.
Both have technical limitations certainly, but it doens't require breaking (quantum) physics , only admittedly massive logistics to build some sort of "massive solar energy collection matrix" around/near the sun and beam its energy where we need it. Doing so isn't likely to say.cause the sun to expand and engulf the earth (anytime sooner than it would "naturally" do so and we'd better be the frick out of here by then one way or the other).
2 years ago
Anonymous
It would be incredibly hard for a micro black hole to grow without being fed constantly, to the point an accidental "runaway event" can be all but ruled out.
In fact a serious problem is how to even grow that micro black hole into something stable so that it can be used to harvest energy. The only practical way is probably to create a big enough (not so micro) black hole to begin with or find one in the wild.
The events of the last two years have proven that even if such a man or idea actually existed, there would be morons who would object out of their own inferiority complexes, which would be weaponized by the greedy and powerful
>Space Jesus arrives
"I have brought you a foolproof plan that will enable you to have environmentally healthy perfect cold fusion and other forms of energy generation, controlled matter replicators, technology that will grant you near immortality if desired through a merger of biological and technological advances. You will be freed from the need to fight among each other over limited resources and stuck on this planet! We do this because we want you to join the community of other civilizations who all peaceably coexist in the known universes..and yes that's plural, we'll tell you about that too. The only thing we ask is that you wear this mask around our people and each other while we update our technology to protect both ourselves and adapt it to your biology. >The shitfricking response
Its all a plot by Space George Soros and the Interdimensional cryptojews! Frick you I won't wear that mask why the frick should I its all lies in the first place and its also the biggest threat to the world possible! Its all crisis actors who want to put us all into Space FEMA camps where they force you to be a gay space Communist! >The outcome
A minority of ultra wealthy corporate oligarchs attempt to bastardize the technology into something they can control, while manipulating the "maskless" to fight against the "masked". Because of this, the biotech eternal life technology caused a gray-goo outbreak of cancer and Akira-style monstrosities. Space Jesus and his society tried to save some but far too many became congealed /misc/yps refusing the offer. Before leaving the Earth and the Sol system were designated as the Murrikan Containment Zone. A collective sigh is heard from the rest of the galaxy's enlightened beings
there is a place in space hell just for you were you suck space dicks and getting fricked in the ass by space Black folk while you get space aids from them
you're not as smart as you think you are
covid was a nothing burger, it's just that it mostly effects boomers and boomers hold all the power so they treated it like everyone should comply. They crashed the economy so they could take more cruises and play shuffleboard while we millennials top up their Arnold Palmer's for no tip
>covid was a nothing burger
keep saying that lol
in 10-20 years, we'll find out that the world lost 10 IQ points because of the brain tissue damage caused by covid
2 years ago
Anonymous
Compared to the 30 IQ drop caused by social media thats a drop in the bucket
>COVID was a nothing burger
Kek, keep saying that when average lifespan reduces as the disease keeps lingering around slowly grinding you down in an unwinnable war of attrition.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>boomers and fatties most effected
Covid has been and continues to be a net positive for humanity. Boomers and fatties are a drain on society and are being genocided by based Mother Nature. Last thing we need during a food shortage & recession are fatties hogging up the food and old people incapable of creating strong children hogging all the resources
2 years ago
Anonymous
Now zoom out to 50 years from now moron.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>no fatties >i used my inheiritance to become a greedy slumlord lord pod owner and became rich stuffing bunkbeds into every rooh of a 5 bedroom house and charging transients 600 a month per bed
future looks bright
>use and store all the energy of a star
And... how would we sustain planets and ecosystems around the sun without that?
Wouldn't that really frick with all levels of our environment, from interstellar medium to the Heliosphere. Sounds rather outrageous and impractical.
The test on the way to becoming a type 1 is successfully identifying and exterminating the parasite members of your species. In our case the long nose tribe was identified but wasn't fully removed so we are already doomed as they assumed control
If you read about the Alcubierre drive idea, it involves warping space... so the ship may be only travelling at say 200000m/s relative, but when you factor in how much space is warped, it may be travelling at multiple times the speed of light from an outside observers point of view.
yep. the concept of finding or creating anti-mass (read: not anti-matter; but normal matter with negative mass, a form of currently unknown-to-science and thought-impossible exotic matter) is frequently explored in fiction. the two things that come to mind first are element zero in mass effect, and the xen matter from the half-life series.
The need for something like that isn't there until there are advancements in technology that allow us to actually use that energy. The big breakthrough we need to make to advance to another level is the ability to economically extract, refine, and utilize materials off of earth.
>The Artemis program is a human spaceflight program led by NASA to explore the Moon, aiming for its first touchdown on the lunar south pole by 2025 >The Artemis program began in December 2017 as part of successive efforts to revitalize the U.S. space program. NASA's stated short-term goal for the program is landing the first woman and first person of color on the Moon
This is an incredibly wonky scale by modern standards.
They've added more stages to make it "fit" into a scale, but in reality something like a dyson swarm is theoretically just advancements in materials for stellar lifting, we already have automation that was mythical in Kardashev's time.
michio kaku is just asiatic neil degrasse tyson
not quite as bad (tyson has literally never worked as a physicist, while kaku has merely been unremarkable as a physicist), but still not any kind of authority. his primary career has been selling sensationalized views of science to the public and everything he says should be taken with a grain of salt.
Why are people so sure this is his technology will progress. Or that if alien civilizations exits, this is how they must get their energy, or if they even use energy in a similar way to us. This scale is total speculative hogwash, we really have no idea what tech will look like in 100 years, let alone thousands.
for one we stop using photovoltaic cells for solar energy use something else because there's not enough rare earth metals or silicon in the solar system to make half a dyson sphere
moronic scale.
If you have tehnology to controll all of Earth's energy you will do the same for stars and galaxy.But we will never controll all of energy the whole point is delusional all energy includes vibrating of all atoms you breathing plants growing etc.Its like type one civilization one akre of land farmed Type 2 10 akers of land farmed.Type 3 100 akres of land farmed ...
The scale is broken because it assumes you have enough energy in type n to develop the technology for type n+1.
We might run out of fossil fuels before we develop fusion (if that's even a thing) or batteries that last a long time and don't blow up (if thoes are even a thing).
Even with all the energy of the sun being utilized relativity would still frick as over, interstellar travel will never be like a flight which are already uncomfortable.
Yes, but first we need the Von Neumann probe-bots (probots?) who will swarm out and extract all resources and energy from the universe to perpetuate our infinity pleasure matrix
but Tier I is possible the Earth does create energy that we haven't fully harnessed yet. Infinite free energy is a possibility. The ancient Egyptians used the pyramids as power plants Tesla had free wireless energy from the Earth before the government assassinated him so they could charge people for electricity instead.
We have to be able to use and store all the energy of our host Star
all of it?
ever heard of nuclear fusion?
Sure have! There are exactly zero nuclear fusion reactors. Did you have a point?
Look at your image again. We're not even close to a type 1 civ.
And I doubt we ever will be, because it's insanity and not functional at all. It's inefficient as hell.
That's why you don't use all the energy from your planet, you use all the energy from another planet no one cares about. Like Neptune. Seriously, who cares about Neptune?
It's a lot more likely that a civilization would not transition between these types evenly, and would instead start pursuing number 2 while still being under the threshold of number 1, and achieve #1 before starting to pursue number 3
frick you neptune is the shit
>who cares about Neptune?
better than mars which is just a fricking desert.
this, dumb firstworlders, they think that having access to the most trending iphone they have the ability to do science fiction shit
^this
We have the following existential threats we need to solve to even fricking SURVIVE THE FRICKING CENTURY:
> Global warming & its consequences (uncontrollable at our tech level)
> AGI without morals, and tech singularity (Assuming israelitegle really has created a ML model capable of passing at least the Turing test - they have advanced models, ginormous datasets, cpu power, quantum supremacy, and human experience in creating and operating ML at scale)
> Global thermonuclear war (USSR vs Ukraine escalation)
OK, and after solving all of these, you need to tackle the following to regain civilization
> Fix the Internet to end surveillance capitalism and silicon valley libertards - regain a forum for free and open information interchange for social progress
> Fix antitrust and enact a true global minimum tax - prevent the world spiraling into a cyberpunk dystopia
> Fix religious extremism - ends conservatards, ends wars in Africa, makes half the world population productive and be able to integrated into the world
> Disband five eyes and release FOSS crypto without backdoors to civvies - ends govt corruption, and allows free press
> Stable population (all countries should move toward a reproduction level of births and a balanced age structure to prevent either overpopulation inducing wars & emigration or underpopulation causing healthcare and pensions to collapse under the weight of the elderly)
Now then we can talk about ascending to Kardashev I. First step is a reactionless engine. (A means of spacecraft propulsion that doesn't need to expel reaction mass to produce deltaV)
global warming is based because it will kill a lot of worthless people and make cold locations more habitable
>it will kill a lot of worthless people
Along with about 95% of the useful people, over time, while the israelitest of israelites live in artificial habitats for perpetuity.
>he isn't a chosen
ngmi
you will literally never be a woman
killing all israelites, boomers and billionaires would solve every one of those problems
global warming is survivable, yeah it sucks, but the environment has always been hostile, the dutch have already shown how to start approaching rising sea levels for centuries for everything else start pretending you're an explorer on a planet hostile to life and work for everyone to survive that
if anybody actually believed global warming were an "existential threat" they'd be dumping massive amounts of SO2 into the upper atmosphere or working on other geoengineering projects. yes, it would have other bad consequences, but if you truly believe we're in danger of becoming venus it's not even close to being a bad deal.
nobody actually believes global warming is an existential threat, they just want you to suffer. global warming is an excuse to deindustrialize the west and restrict the supply of energy, nothing more.
Everyone believes Global Warming is an existential threat. However dealing with it looks bad on the bottom line. Therefore israelites decided that we shouldn't. They have a way out (
). We don't.
Great. "Stop making the planet more hostile to life... please?" have not worked for 50 years. Only thing that does is going innawoods, and try to live off the land, so you save at least your family. But muh iPhone and muh adbook will be sorely missed by the children, so one gun, and two bullets each before Black person marauder hordes gangrape my daughters. Until then, it's the dog in the burning café meme.
And who wanted to be? Do yourself a favor, and block stormgay sites and /misc/ on your dns adblocker. It's july, homosexual month is finally over, evict the troons living in your head rent free.
As it runs down, Black folk are the most equipped in surviving global warming. After then it's either Mad Max, a fast drop to the Stone Age, a nuclear holocaust eradicating all remaining traces of life fro Earth as a braindead Muslim warlord gets the launch codes, or the locust swarm eating everything off the land and imploding upon itself in a series of endless and pointless wars.
>Everyone believes Global Warming is an existential threat.
Lolno. Things are going to be shitty for a few generations, yes, but unless we manage to turn Earth into another Venus (all but impossible), it's not going to wipe out humanity.
What's your standard for humanity?
>As it runs down, Black folk are the most equipped in surviving global warming
they are reliant on western nations for food, once food supplies get severely constrained (like they are starting to be because of ukraine) what are they going to do, eat each other?
Black folk live in Africa which is fricking hard to farm thanks to its arid climate. When global warming catches up, Africa will be far more drier than it's now. So noggers will go to yurop where Germany will wait for them with outstretched arms. In 20 years, they will be the majority, establishing the United Islamic Caliphates of Europe as a joint Saudi/Chinese venture. It immediately falls to the middle ages and:
> Scenario 1: Gulf Stream stops
Yurop is now as cold as Canada and how it's supposed to be at that latitude. Fortunately, due to Global Warming, those latitudes are now far hotter than they should be, so the climate will be more or less the same as now. So even they could subsistence farm until the lands become barren.
> Scenario 2: Ice Age
... and they freeze there. Good riddance! The albedo of the Earth will be enough to clean itself up, humanity gets a fresh start back at the neanderthal stage.
> Scenario 3: Gulf Stream remains
... and yurop will be the semi-arid dry wasteland Africa is now, complete with malaria, aids and Black folk. They flee further to the nordic nations, also caliphate territory and starve there because you need precision tech to rhrive in the mountains.
>trying to make the planet better hasn't worked for the past 50 years
HOW ARE YOU PEOPLE REAL? BY WHAT FRICKING METRIC? We have the highest population in human history, highest food production in human history, population growth... the list is almost infinite and ever increasing. All environmental scare is based of projections and mathematical models that have been wrong since it's very inception. It's always a few years away. I'm sure it still is you psychopath.
>if anybody actually believed global warming were an "existential threat" they'd be dumping massive amounts of SO2 into the upper atmosphere or working on other geoengineering projects
Why? AGW won't kill us, it'll kill our descendants. They simply do not care because it is not their problem.
The whole carbon taxing is nothing more than rationing the dwindling supplies of hydrocarbons by the elite.
The masses would riot if they sell the rationing angle at face value so elite repackages as "Green Energy and Saving the Planet" (What a joke).
Elites don't want to give-up their opulent lifestyles no matter the cost.
>global warming is survivable
.t
Doesn't undertand that +2/3 degrees increase of Earth average temperature means huge climatic changes (in the precipitation distribution for example) and a huge number of species fricked up, which they already where thanks to urbanisation, cutting forrests and intensive agriculture.
I don't know whaere the frick you live, but I live in Europe, and we already have droughts that prevent us from growing plants we used to grow. And on top of that, the winters are not cold enough, which means some plants don't develop buds properly, AND, plants start growing like they should at spring time way too soon in february/march, and are killed when the inevitable cold wave happens in april.
Oh wow - droughts, I'm so scared.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_winter_of_536
So you don't care if one year the food production is down by 50% ?
Got it.
Basically I follow the heuristic of not trusting globohomo.
You don't know what "globohomo" is.
It'd be simpler to just admit you have no actual opinions on the matter and are just being contrarian.
it sounds like you're trying really hard to justify your student debt
shalom
>I don't know whaere the frick you live, but I live in Europe, and we already have droughts that prevent us from growing plants we used to grow.
I bet you are german only germans are mentally ill ecologists.
>muh lets take away all european citizen's freedom for muh environment even though we are basically irelevant by all polution metrics.And free trade with china of course.
>/misc/ screencap unrelated to what he said
>Ignores that western trade is literally just exporting pollution
Literally brainlet tier. Go back.
>Ignores that western trade is literally just exporting pollution
because of you eco morons globalists and your muh lets regulate the frick out of everything and buy it from china instead.We could produce everything here and it wouldnt polute as much.If you really cared about muh global warming you wold stop trade with china immediately not carbon tax poeple and subsidise bulshit tehnology.
>Fix the Internet to end surveillance capitalism and silicon valley libertards - regain a forum for free and open information interchange for social progress
Freedom is not required for scientific or social progress. Nazi Germany made a lot of shit happen with very little freedom, medieval Europe as well and so did USSR.
This is especially true for social progress. A man content with what he has will not start a revolution.
>Fix antitrust and enact a true global minimum tax - prevent the world spiraling into a cyberpunk dystopia
Whether it's corporations or governments someones gotta be at the top. If there were no rich then everyone'd be poor. Also a global minimum tax is one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard and would basically require a single leader global dictatorship.
>Fix religious extremism - ends conservatards, ends wars in Africa, makes half the world population productive and be able to integrated into the world
Future scifi tech will cause religious extremism of its own as humanity will be divided into the enchanced and the rest. It'll be a worse divide than anything mankind has seen before.
Wars in Africa are caused by humans being buttholes. Don't need religion to enact slavery, you just need someone to enslave.
A significant chunk of the world population can not be integrated into anything even remotely resembling a modern first world society. Just look at Afghanistan, they outright rejected what we had to offer.
>Disband five eyes and release FOSS crypto without backdoors to civvies - ends govt corruption, and allows free press
Of course. As we all know before computers there was no government corruption or suppression of the free press. Now if you don't mind peacefully coming with these two gentleman so we can discuss this at peace elsewhere....
>Stable population
Population control! The most democractic and free of all ideas. By the way how did that work out for the chinese?
>very little freedom, medieval Europe as well
It was decentralized as frick it couldnt have been all tyrany not every lord was narcisistic butthole.And most progress came from italian free cities that had basically democracy.Venice also offered more freedom and oportunity to get rich to average man that you have today simple contracts every sailor could get rich.
> Nazi Germany made a lot of shit happen with very little freedom
Einstein, Teller, et. al, the masterminds behind the A-bomb emigrated. Scientific progress during & after WW2 (yes, this includes Paperclip, which is Nazi scientists working for the States) was the result of infinite defense budgets. In the USSR, it was further supported by the propaganda budgets (creating Tech X before the Murricans was considered a propaganda win).
So why not simply pump money into education & research? Because that's the surest way to get High Tech Low Society - the exact trap we have now. We have computers the size of your hand, the Internet, encryption and self hosting. The Internet is used to create a dystopian corpo surveillance state worse than the worst nightmare of Orwell.
Encryption is used by pedos, terrorists and drug dealers, so government feels righteous to crack it down and take it away from those who actually need it (dissidents, whistleblowers and undercover reporters).
All new efficiency tech like LEDs, and hybrid cars are used to make bigger, more wasteful versions of the tech they replaced. (Gas guzzler SUVs are offered as plug in hybrid with tax incentives and at most a 5 mile electric range. We have LEDs, so we really need to put RGayB stripes on fricking everything.)
> Whether it's corporations or governments someones gotta be at the top.
Governments are elected, corpo CEOs are not. Now corpos have the power, and see what they do. Government seems to be the lesser of two evils by far.
> and would basically require a single leader global dictatorship.
The UN. And it's fricking high time it did SOMETHING. Fricking anything.
>Encryption is used by pedos, terrorists and drug dealers, so government feels righteous to crack it down and take it away from those who actually need it (dissidents, whistleblowers and undercover reporters).
>Crack down on MATH
Ok moron
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> Just look at Afghanistan, they outright rejected what we had to offer.
Before the Taliban, Afghanistan was an up-and-coming nation similar to the States back then. During the Occupation, we have shown the worst the West had to offer, and still do nothing about the Taliban. All the while the Taliban was funded by the Saudi in their petro-Islam program aimed to destabilize the entire region ensuring Saudi hegemony in Arabia. Paid for by (You) every time you fill up.
> humanity will be divided into the enchanced and the rest
> It'll be a worse divide than anything mankind has seen before.
"haves" and "have nots" are an age old story. The effects of augmentation will be downplayed by the corpo MSM, so normies will see that the divide still runs between conservatards and libertards (bots on adbook trained to echo the most extreme of either view). SJWs will actually defend the augmented, and provide an echo chamber for lobbyists to help corpos save on lobbying costs/bribes.
> By the way how did that work out for the chinese?
Actually, great. The world is better off without 1-1.5 billion more Chinese whose births were prevented by the OCP. Only problems were:
> conservatards selectively aborting girls, creating a heavy boy-girl imbalance. 2/10 girls can choose between 8/10 guys, creating millions of sexually frustrated incels who would otherwise have access to enough sex and a wife. The lack of girls is now heavily limiting the future of China causing a steeper population decline than projected.
> hard cutoffs without projections also create an overly large population of elderly people who need to be cared for. This overloads the healthcare system, and puts further strain on women whose role traditionally is to look after elders... or they would if they weren't aborted in the first place!
the scale is stupid
we will never build that shit around stars, it'd be way easier to just harvest radioactive material on planets than try and set up dyson spheres
>easier to just harvest radioactive material on planets
Thats type 0 civilization
you don't understand. there's no reason to build dyson spheres, a space bearing civilisation isn't going to sit around a star for no reason, it'd be constantly moving to different solar systems, which is why radioactive fuel is the only choice. Unless they use a star as the fuel source for their ship where they can carry it with them, but I don't know if that's even physically possible
store it in what exactly?
>but I don't know if that's even physically possible
It's possible to push a star with the energy it provides. Lasers and shit.
sure but no way it's enough to accelerate the star to the speeds necessary for space travel
Is there some kind of minimum speed below which you're not travelling in space?
>It's possible to push a star with the energy it provides. Lasers and shit.
isn't that literally what an EM Drive was? And that it didn't work since it's the equivalent of pushing your car's windshield while inside it, to generate thrust?
Wrong on both counts.
>it'd be constantly moving to different solar systems
No it wouldn't, that's totally moronic. You don't move entire civilizations around, that would be insanely expensive for no benefit whatsoever.
Wydm no benefit?
You get all the new planets resources
By the time you can even begin to think about moving your entire civilization to a different star system, the only scarce resource will be energy. Figuratively scarce, literally speaking you'll be swimming in the stuff since you have entire star's energy output to play with.
Why don't we just move the star system?
The priorities as of now are ridiculous
Trillions riding on the website momentum from the 90s
Just keep milking that cow endessly
There ought to be at least some guidance of the markets. Some kind of dirigisme.
By that I mean restricting what people invest in. They ought to be investing in robots, fusion power and space.
Also, that doesn't mean you don't exploit other star systems, it means that you exploit them by sending colonies, not by packing everyone up and spending 1000 times your annual GDP to move for no reason.
If there's no speed of light travel, then the space facing civilization would need to optimize for all the energy available in their own solar system. The scale is there as a realistic measure of tool. Not fantasy's FTL drives or some nonsense.
>store it in what exactly?
Powerbanks, duh
I've got a new scale of personal development where you start at 0 and gain 1 level every time you jump off a bridge
What a bout a series of millions of drones around the sun capable of storing the nuclear & solar energy
>millions of drones around the sun
at the lowest/closest altitude necessary to not incinerate them outright, this would "cover" only an imperceptible portion of the sun at the scale of merely 'millions'
just because its easier does not mean that it is more efficient in the long run.
your argument is on the level of saying that burning wood is somehow better than nuclear fission because its easier to do.
people like you are the reason we aren't even a type I civ yet.
No like its literarily pointless if you have access to fusion energy
you would have never reached nuclear fission with that type of thinking, that's the point.
idk anon, building a dyson sphere is akin to building a planet-sized steam engine
it's dumb in its own way
1. I don't see how it's at all like a steam engine.
2. You do realize that Nuclear power is ultimately used to power steam turbines. The only reason we don't call it a "steam engine" is because idiots like you put vague, unfalsifiable aesthetic weight on these terms. Steam doesn't power shit and never has; it's a medium for transferring power.
1. it's an analogy
2. i'm not sure what you're saying tbh
i guess so. but i do wonder whether we'll reach a point where we have more than enough energy without going that far. E.g. if our descendants figure out how to harvest sizeable amounts of antimatter from natural sources like thunderstorms
we will never have "too much" energy, because having access to vast amounts of harvestable energy automatically suggests that you can use that energy for even bigger projects. And humanity has show itself to be insatiable. Nothing will be good enough, because there is always a 'better' out there.
There is hardly a challange in this world that cannot be solved by having the ability of rooting more energy into it. And the more challanges you solve, the closer you get to solve even bigger challanges. A process that will only stop at a point at which you have full control over the universe.
>we will never have "too much" energy
>yfw you realize your energy exceeds the schwarzschild radius
It would be kind of stupid to let the biggest fusion reactor within several light years go to waste even if you can build smaller ones.
I don't know, other planets are pretty far away. You can't just assume FTL is possible. But a Dyson Sphere is not outside of the realm of physics, at least not in a way that's easy to articulate.
we need to develop technologies that fold space
how
i have no idea but it sounds cool
you could condense matter to the point that the gravitational field is so strong that it folds space itself. Like using black holes to shorten distances.
but you would need a tech to except yourself and your shit fron the pull, otherwise you won't see any benefit from it. and that's the probably even more difficult challenge.
How do you condense matter with pinpoint precision
like this
>dyson spheres
most moronic shit in sci-fi
the Starkiller from Episode 7 makes more sense
Dyson spheres are exactly what a type II civilization would build. They're not hard to start on either: put a few satellites in sun orbit collecting solar energy and relaying it back here in some way. Gradually add more in non intersecting orbits as you need more energy. When your cloud of satellites eventually blots out nearly all light from the sun that would exit the solar system, you have a Dyson sphere.
>relaying it back
99.9% of the energy would go straight into producing more satellites or moving people from planets onto the satellites that produce to "climb" to the satellites that consume.
At least when we're talking about Humans.
That's what happens before long, but it would probably start out as a way to get more energy here on earth, and begin with a few earth orbit satellites.
you have to think about profit though, if you spend 1 satellite and it produces 2 satellites over time then that's beyond good since it scales exponentially
What a dumb scale how do you even use the energy from the sun? We're already using solar panels.
Space mirrors. Lots and lots of space mirrors.
*snorts a line*
Hear me out... GIANT extension CORD with a big plug on the end.
that kind of gives me an idea actually
>tfw they thought they needed to build solar panels in space around the sun
>really they just needed to construct big mirrors up there
making a giant mirror on mercury would cost less than throwing solar panels around the sun
the closer you are to the sun the less mirror you need for the same amount of sunlight
Wouldn't this cause the atmosphere to absorb a lot of extra heat?
We'll obviously use it to BOIL WATER to create kinetic and electrical energy anon
>It's all boiling water
Technology progress is finding new ways to BOIL WATER
Fusion is fusing water to boil water
A dyson sphere if you're cool, or a dyson swarm if you're a normie homosexual. Obviously.
stop saying dyson swarm
>swarm is theoretically possible
>orb is blatant ancient alien fiction
I wish discussion of the Dyson sphere would understand this.
>We're already using solar panels.
the earth intersects less the 0.01 of the energy emitted from the sun so you move from that to 100%
We're going to nuke this planet to dust before we even make it to type 1, you stupid Black person cattle.
That dyson grid would require more mass than is probably present in our entire solar system, and most of it would probably not even be useful. We'd need to make reaching other star system easier and more convenient than it currently is to get across an ocean.
You do the math.
Seems kind of wasteful.
If they could make fusion they could power the entire world with a pond for a day or two.
That dyson sphere is letting at least 90% of the energy from that star escape.
Exactly, this scale is complete nonsense. It's completely out of balance with nature to the point where it wouldn't be practical even from an industrial point of view.
s/nature/woman
The kardashev scale is a retareded 60s fever dream. Consooming all of the usable energy on Earth all at once is neither necessary nor desirable. Space is a nightmarish hellscape, abandoning the only place that can passively sustain life we know of for the sake of technooloogical advooncement is moronic.
Also the Dyson sphere meme is absurd. Even if you used up all the matter from every object orbiting the sun you still wouldn't be able to achieve anything close to it.
>Dyson sphere meme is absurd. Even if you used up all the matter from every object orbiting the sun you still wouldn't be able to achieve anything close to it.
what about drones
What about drones?
Imagine 100 thousand drones hovering around the sun doing the same thing a Dyson sphere does, and they literally fly and bring the energy back to us
Anon... How dumb are you...
Black person tier
You're specific implementation is moronic, but your concept is sound. It's called a dyson swarm and it's WAY more viable than a dyson sphere.
i sure love the thought of an exponentially growing population fighting for resources in a limited space while constantly at risk of just being ended at any moment by an asteroid or supervolcano
>i sure love the thought of an exponentially growing population fighting for resources in a limited space
You still have limited resources in space dumbass. Any kind of space colonization effort would require the colonizers to bring all the necessary materials to sustain themselves with them because that shit doesn't exist in space, or at the very least isn't practical to extract.
You also, ironically, have limited space in space, since any off-planet human habitat would need to be artificially manufactured, likely entirely using materials extracted from Earth.
>while constantly at risk of just being ended at any moment by an asteroid or supervolcano
In the future you expect us to have the technology use up entire planets for energy but not the technology prevent an asteroid strike? Regardless, one particularly bad solar flare and your entire heckin type-1 civilizationerino is donezo, so this point is irrelevant.
>isn't practical to extract
why not?
Water would probably be the most valuable resource to a space-faring civilization, and the only place we know of in our solar system that has it is Earth and some comets. The latter would be prohibitively expensive to extract water from, and we have no way of knowing that it would even be useful in life-sustaining applications. Any extrasolar expedition for water would take way too long and require way too many upfront resources to be useful.
You also need soil with the appropriate nutrients to grow crops and feed livestock. Considering most of those nutrients come from earth life and need to be continually replenished, good luck finding that off-planet.
You'll need oxygen in order to breathe, which, lol.
And those are just the very, very basics.
>Water would probably be the most valuable resource to a space-faring civilization
Water is among the most common molecules in the universe (and even if you can't find any, hydrogen and oxygen are everywhere, although FREE oxygen is quite a bit more rare). LIQUID water is somewhat rare, but that's only because you need atmosphere (or some sort of pressure vessel) for it to occur.
>what if we just, like, make more water
Damn bro I didn't think of that. Shit man, let's go heckin terraform marserino.
There are lots of problems with trying to terraform Mars. "There isn't enough water in the solar system" is not one of them.
>likely entirely using materials extracted from Earth.
You could have just started with "I'm moronic"
Building a Dyson sphere around one star in particular doesn't mean all the resources to build it need to come from that one star's solar system.
for all practical purposes, it does, unless you want to build a supply chain which could have centuries of latency before you find out something went wrong or you have to prioritize different resources
Sounds like a shit plan. Like making the BLAME megastructure except somewhere else
If I were building a Dyson sphere and ran up against those kinds of shortages, I'd consider making the scarce elements I need using nuclear fusion and waiting a bit
If your civilization is at the ridiculous scale where it would have some practical use for that much energy - I can't even imagine what - then it's probably already interstellar and has something figured out for logistics across its territory. I would expect such a project to take a very, very long time to build in any case.
Is there enough stuff in our solar system to build something that can collect all the solar energy? The Kardashev Scale is sci-fi garbage.
b***h we're not even type 1 yet
never will
certainly not with that attitude. why even post
we would have to eliminate all israelites asap
That's a stupid fricking classification based on outdated ideology
Why would an advanced civilization need to harvest solar energy if they would have mastered microblack hole and/or fusion tech and other more exotic forms energy creation we haven't thought of?
All of that stuff is way, way more hypothetical than what is being talked about here. Yeah all that shit goes out the window if you can use quantum entanglement to somehow safely and in a controlled manner use the gravity of a black hole to generate all the energy you'd ever need, or somehow be able to control "micro black holes" without having a chance of deleting the entire civilization if you get a "leak", or if you can use dark matter/energy, or trans-dimensional forms, or other quantum mechanics stuff...but that's for the moment basically in the realm of sci-fi alongside warp drives and other FTL tech.
At least Kardashev scale doesn't require those kind of "understanding AND control of physics/the universe" breakthroughs especially given we're starting from a type 0 civilization here and still basically killing each other and polluting our own environment over energy and other resources.
The energy harvested from micro black holes come in the form of hawking radiation, not some theoretical gravity frickery
It's actually theoretically viable, just not practical in <current year> since our particle colliders are orders of magnitudes too weak to do something like that
Constructing a massive structure around the sun otoh, is just a massive pipedream due to the logistics involved
That theoretical gravity frickery is in short the hawking radiation you are talking about, the emanation from constantly falling/pull near the event horizon. Theoretical physics are still debating the causes and parameters much less if it could be controlled safely - creating even a "micro" black hole with even a hypothetically powerful enough collider could have untold levels of devastation either through just the normal progression (ie it becomes self sustaining and a true black hole, necessary for energy generation) and/or some sort of accident (ie mass is fed into it causing it to grow etc ) even if this stuff works the way we think it does.
Both have technical limitations certainly, but it doens't require breaking (quantum) physics , only admittedly massive logistics to build some sort of "massive solar energy collection matrix" around/near the sun and beam its energy where we need it. Doing so isn't likely to say.cause the sun to expand and engulf the earth (anytime sooner than it would "naturally" do so and we'd better be the frick out of here by then one way or the other).
It would be incredibly hard for a micro black hole to grow without being fed constantly, to the point an accidental "runaway event" can be all but ruled out.
In fact a serious problem is how to even grow that micro black hole into something stable so that it can be used to harvest energy. The only practical way is probably to create a big enough (not so micro) black hole to begin with or find one in the wild.
>t. kurzgesagt
Black folk are The Great Filter.
and the small hats. humanity could've explored the galaxy had it not been for these people.
>muh dark ages
we need a pic related type person (me) to lead the human race
what is the Final Solution
we must eliminate hatred and malice from the heart of man.... but that is not possible at the moment so we must come up with viable stopgaps
>we must come up with viable stopgaps
go on, i'm listening....
if most people die off then most hatred will be gone
so if we genocide the people that you hate there will be no more hatred left?
yes because i hate myself and if i die hate is gone
i see someone has been watching too much anime again
The events of the last two years have proven that even if such a man or idea actually existed, there would be morons who would object out of their own inferiority complexes, which would be weaponized by the greedy and powerful
>Space Jesus arrives
"I have brought you a foolproof plan that will enable you to have environmentally healthy perfect cold fusion and other forms of energy generation, controlled matter replicators, technology that will grant you near immortality if desired through a merger of biological and technological advances. You will be freed from the need to fight among each other over limited resources and stuck on this planet! We do this because we want you to join the community of other civilizations who all peaceably coexist in the known universes..and yes that's plural, we'll tell you about that too. The only thing we ask is that you wear this mask around our people and each other while we update our technology to protect both ourselves and adapt it to your biology.
>The shitfricking response
Its all a plot by Space George Soros and the Interdimensional cryptojews! Frick you I won't wear that mask why the frick should I its all lies in the first place and its also the biggest threat to the world possible! Its all crisis actors who want to put us all into Space FEMA camps where they force you to be a gay space Communist!
>The outcome
A minority of ultra wealthy corporate oligarchs attempt to bastardize the technology into something they can control, while manipulating the "maskless" to fight against the "masked". Because of this, the biotech eternal life technology caused a gray-goo outbreak of cancer and Akira-style monstrosities. Space Jesus and his society tried to save some but far too many became congealed /misc/yps refusing the offer. Before leaving the Earth and the Sol system were designated as the Murrikan Containment Zone. A collective sigh is heard from the rest of the galaxy's enlightened beings
there is a place in space hell just for you were you suck space dicks and getting fricked in the ass by space Black folk while you get space aids from them
You moronic motherfricker.
Do you really think masks prevent corona? They don't. Also in the UK were 9/10 corona deaths fully vaccinated.
But good to see that the propaganda works on the feeble minded.
You are not science, you a cultist who demand that people sacrifice their freedom of choice for your ideology.
>reddit spacing
have a nice day
you're not as smart as you think you are
covid was a nothing burger, it's just that it mostly effects boomers and boomers hold all the power so they treated it like everyone should comply. They crashed the economy so they could take more cruises and play shuffleboard while we millennials top up their Arnold Palmer's for no tip
>covid was a nothing burger
keep saying that lol
in 10-20 years, we'll find out that the world lost 10 IQ points because of the brain tissue damage caused by covid
Compared to the 30 IQ drop caused by social media thats a drop in the bucket
>COVID was a nothing burger
Kek, keep saying that when average lifespan reduces as the disease keeps lingering around slowly grinding you down in an unwinnable war of attrition.
>boomers and fatties most effected
Covid has been and continues to be a net positive for humanity. Boomers and fatties are a drain on society and are being genocided by based Mother Nature. Last thing we need during a food shortage & recession are fatties hogging up the food and old people incapable of creating strong children hogging all the resources
Now zoom out to 50 years from now moron.
>no fatties
>i used my inheiritance to become a greedy slumlord lord pod owner and became rich stuffing bunkbeds into every rooh of a 5 bedroom house and charging transients 600 a month per bed
future looks bright
By reaching type 1 first.
>use and store all the energy of a star
And... how would we sustain planets and ecosystems around the sun without that?
Wouldn't that really frick with all levels of our environment, from interstellar medium to the Heliosphere. Sounds rather outrageous and impractical.
The entire concept of these civilization types exists purely on earth.
I don't believe our future is out in the universe
we're moving into our imaginations at a much faster rate
The test on the way to becoming a type 1 is successfully identifying and exterminating the parasite members of your species. In our case the long nose tribe was identified but wasn't fully removed so we are already doomed as they assumed control
Cut your balls off
we aren't even a type 1 civilization yet dumb dumb
We gotta kill the israelites aka the Great Filter. Everything proceeds from there.
Why would you consider it progress if you kill the smartest beings on the planet?
If you read about the Alcubierre drive idea, it involves warping space... so the ship may be only travelling at say 200000m/s relative, but when you factor in how much space is warped, it may be travelling at multiple times the speed of light from an outside observers point of view.
requires the ability to use negative mass, which - to our current knowledge - cannot exist
is that what the meme element zero from mass effect is supposed to be
yep. the concept of finding or creating anti-mass (read: not anti-matter; but normal matter with negative mass, a form of currently unknown-to-science and thought-impossible exotic matter) is frequently explored in fiction. the two things that come to mind first are element zero in mass effect, and the xen matter from the half-life series.
Type 4 doesn't even make sense, are you gonna break the speed of light and go outside the observable universe?
The Holy Lord is a Type 4
You know, somehow that makes more sense than us becoming meme 4
start making use of the suns energy
You dumb Black person, currently we are fighting a primitive war and try not to get back to stone age.
What are you concerned about leaping forward when we can't even keep peace in europe, let alone the rest of the world?
we aren't even type 1
go ask /misc/
The need for something like that isn't there until there are advancements in technology that allow us to actually use that energy. The big breakthrough we need to make to advance to another level is the ability to economically extract, refine, and utilize materials off of earth.
we are not even a type 1
You know that we haven't reached T1 so far right?
whites are going to be extinct in 100 years, so probably never
>The Artemis program is a human spaceflight program led by NASA to explore the Moon, aiming for its first touchdown on the lunar south pole by 2025
>The Artemis program began in December 2017 as part of successive efforts to revitalize the U.S. space program. NASA's stated short-term goal for the program is landing the first woman and first person of color on the Moon
we wont, maybe china will
jews will kill us all before letting us escape this hellish planet
Heard my mom talking over the phone saying charge those israelites extra tired of their shit.
Lol and she used to be into the kaballah and shit.
A bunch of super shiny mirrors and a giant solar panel.
This is an incredibly wonky scale by modern standards.
They've added more stages to make it "fit" into a scale, but in reality something like a dyson swarm is theoretically just advancements in materials for stellar lifting, we already have automation that was mythical in Kardashev's time.
not gonna happen
earth is gonna burn
only morons who take scifi too seriously believe in this shit
There isn't a single interview where Michio Kaku doesn't bring it up.
michio kaku is just asiatic neil degrasse tyson
not quite as bad (tyson has literally never worked as a physicist, while kaku has merely been unremarkable as a physicist), but still not any kind of authority. his primary career has been selling sensationalized views of science to the public and everything he says should be taken with a grain of salt.
spot on.
michio kaku is just a quack who points to aliens whenever something unknown is found
>tyson has literally never worked as a physicist
He has a doctorate which means he carried out some research.
Why are people so sure this is his technology will progress. Or that if alien civilizations exits, this is how they must get their energy, or if they even use energy in a similar way to us. This scale is total speculative hogwash, we really have no idea what tech will look like in 100 years, let alone thousands.
for one we stop using photovoltaic cells for solar energy use something else because there's not enough rare earth metals or silicon in the solar system to make half a dyson sphere
>Nobody posted it yet.
moronic scale.
If you have tehnology to controll all of Earth's energy you will do the same for stars and galaxy.But we will never controll all of energy the whole point is delusional all energy includes vibrating of all atoms you breathing plants growing etc.Its like type one civilization one akre of land farmed Type 2 10 akers of land farmed.Type 3 100 akres of land farmed ...
this was always moronic except for science fiction writing and even then
If you think any of these is wasteful then you are a cuck and your ancestors are ashamed. Manifest your destiny again!
Magnets. Lots of them.
We don't, civilisation must be eliminated
The scale is broken because it assumes you have enough energy in type n to develop the technology for type n+1.
We might run out of fossil fuels before we develop fusion (if that's even a thing) or batteries that last a long time and don't blow up (if thoes are even a thing).
When we finally get the americans to shut the frick up
feel like the jump from 3 to 4 is a bit much, a galaxy is a mote of dust compared to the entire universe
Even with all the energy of the sun being utilized relativity would still frick as over, interstellar travel will never be like a flight which are already uncomfortable.
This is the natural end of any civilization you braindead uneducated cucks
Yes, but first we need the Von Neumann probe-bots (probots?) who will swarm out and extract all resources and energy from the universe to perpetuate our infinity pleasure matrix
>infinity pleasure matrix
you will enter my matrix one way or another, and you will sustain me for a long, long time.
but Tier I is possible the Earth does create energy that we haven't fully harnessed yet. Infinite free energy is a possibility. The ancient Egyptians used the pyramids as power plants Tesla had free wireless energy from the Earth before the government assassinated him so they could charge people for electricity instead.
Take your meds before coming to IQfy.
Give every kid a true Dynabook. Then we'll get enough geniuses to build a type 2 civilization.
Higher gravity
Change the definition of a type 2 civilisation.
just wait 2 more weeks